Hafi doesn’t know how to interpret stats.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hafi doesn’t know how to interpret stats.
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He’s been busy as his latest movie comes out at Christmas
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 seconds ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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If Poch added Hakimi, Kounde, Rice and Bellingham to our squad we’d be flying.
I still believe in the Sagrra axis up top
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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How do these stats compared with who came before or after as manager?
The stats I put in, and again I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all they are not, were about the comparisons before and after.
As Darren rightly pointed out at Southampton Askins had managed in the lower division so that impacts on them. However I do think Koemans stats are more impressive than pochs as a result.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 seconds ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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If Poch added Hakimi, Kounde, Rice and Bellingham to our squad we’d be flying.
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See this thought process, of yours and others worries me.
Of course you need good players and should always be looking to refresh the team. However Poch has shown having the "best" players can be a hinderance too. Just look at his PSG tenure and him looking to get out
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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How do these stats compared with who came before or after as manager?
The stats I put in, and again I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all they are not, were about the comparisons before and after.
As Darren rightly pointed out at Southampton Askins had managed in the lower division so that impacts on them. However I do think Koemans stats are more impressive than pochs as a result.
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Poch worked wonders with that Saints side and had them covering more ground than any team in the league. Took them to 8th place and was poached by Spurs quite quickly into the process. He left a great side and canvas for Koeman to work with.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 seconds ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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If Poch added Hakimi, Kounde, Rice and Bellingham to our squad we’d be flying.
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See this thought process, of yours and others worries me.
Of course you need good players and should always be looking to refresh the team. However Poch has shown having the "best" players can be a hinderance too. Just look at his PSG tenure and him looking to get out
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The players I listed are good but also work hard. Poch can work with good players but the ones causing him trouble at PSG are the top 3 who don’t work hard.
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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How do these stats compared with who came before or after as manager?
The stats I put in, and again I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all they are not, were about the comparisons before and after.
As Darren rightly pointed out at Southampton Askins had managed in the lower division so that impacts on them. However I do think Koemans stats are more impressive than pochs as a result.
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Poch worked wonders with that Saints side and had them covering more ground than any team in the league. Took them to 8th place and was poached by Spurs quite quickly into the process. He left a great side and canvas for Koeman to work with.
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Aye but koeman took the win percentage from 38 to 48%. That's some going
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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How do these stats compared with who came before or after as manager?
The stats I put in, and again I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all they are not, were about the comparisons before and after.
As Darren rightly pointed out at Southampton Askins had managed in the lower division so that impacts on them. However I do think Koemans stats are more impressive than pochs as a result.
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I understand that and it's fair.
I've looked at the Rodgers stats at Liverpool and his win percentage was 50%. In that case Klopp has improved it by nearly 20% (or 10 percentage points).
At Mainz - Tuchel was manager from 2009-2014 with a win percentage of 39.13% and at Dortmund (June 2015 to May 2017) Tuchel had a win percentage of 62.62%.
What that probably tells me though is that Klopp and Tuchel are better than Rodgers! Which, to be fair, we know already really.
I do think Poch is at a level beneath Tuchel, Pep and Klopp but may well be someone who could get there. He could well have found his level though (a bit like Moyes) in getting smaller clubs punching above their weight. Who knows?
My preference, from what I've read, would be Ten Hag but I wouldn't be against Poch either. But only if he can do what he did at Spurs and improve the players and get them to punch above their weight. Par for United at present would be a clear fourth in the PL and really we need to aim for higher than that.
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
Now list his trophy haul
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He’s taken Spurs to as many CL finals as Pep has taken City - with far less money spent. #justsaying
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That’s not really answered the question has it?
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
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Ajax off the ball are a joy to watch.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
Now list his trophy haul
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He’s taken Spurs to as many CL finals as Pep has taken City - with far less money spent. #justsaying
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That’s not really answered the question has it?
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It was a silly question. Poch could stay at PSG for the next 10 years and clean up with trophies. What he’s done at lower level clubs is as good as winning trophies at big clubs. Taking Spurs to a CL final without spending a single penny the previous summer and without having a home ground is for me a better achievement than most trophies.
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
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Ajax off the ball are a joy to watch.
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Yes, but even more so on it.
I’ve always described Pochettino’s teams as all graft no craft. It works for him, but I think it shows he’s limited in his ability to get a team playing above themselves with the ball, unlike a lot of other coaches. And it’s not very good to watch.
It was a silly question. Poch could stay at PSG for the next 10 years and clean up with trophies.
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Well, not so far has he.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
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Ajax off the ball are a joy to watch.
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Yes, but even more so on it.
I’ve always described Pochettino’s teams as all graft no craft. It works for him, but I think it shows he’s limited in his ability to get a team playing above themselves with the ball, unlike a lot of other coaches. And it’s not very good to watch.
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To an extent but when it’s good it’s very good. Huge intensity and players working hard to hustle the opposition to lose the ball and quick turnovers.
I agree it’s not as fun as Ajax for example but compared to the shiiiit we’ve watched at the club for years, seeing us actually press sides and play a lot of the game in the opposition side of the pitch will be quite the novelty
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 32 seconds ago
It was a silly question. Poch could stay at PSG for the next 10 years and clean up with trophies.
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Well, not so far has he.
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He’s already won one trophy and pretty much guaranteed the league this season.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
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Ajax off the ball are a joy to watch.
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Yes, but even more so on it.
I’ve always described Pochettino’s teams as all graft no craft. It works for him, but I think it shows he’s limited in his ability to get a team playing above themselves with the ball, unlike a lot of other coaches. And it’s not very good to watch.
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Have to be honest I'm paying more attention to Ajax and ETH since, basically the start of this season with Ole looking more and more lost imo.
I'm seriously liking Ten Hag and when I see his interviews and he says things like 23 match winning streak is good but means nothing without trophies and the while I enjoy the victory for a day or so then focus on next match.etc
Fergie like
But United has set the bar so low, it’s not relevant. You tried to convince me Mourinho would have us playing good football using a similar argument about Van Gaal. Oh how I laughed.
Jinja, he’s grate. I just want to see that kind of commitment towards attacking football at United.
I think we need an idealist coach to drill that into the team. Far too often we’ve tended to slip into playing defensively when the promise of attacking football has shown itself.
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
But United has set the bar so low, it’s not relevant. You tried to convince me Mourinho would have us playing good football using a similar argument about Van Gaal. Oh how I laughed.
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In his first season I was right. Then it went wrong 😿
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
poste.
I agree it’s not as fun as Ajax for example but compared to the shiiiit we’ve watched at the club for years, seeing us actually press sides and play a lot of the game in the opposition side of the pitch will be quite the novelty
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Not aiming this at you specifically Robb but where and when did this mindset set into some UTD fans where "it's better than Ole" is the go to line?
Genuinely not aiming this at you, think I know you too well 😂, but I've seen/heard it so much from different quarters. And don't get me wrong everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it but I cringe when I hear it. We are aiming to be the elite nig just better than Ole, surely?
I see people fighting the corner of Potter and think why? Yeah he is doing well and maybe an elite manager one day (or not see Eddie Howe etc) but we are in the mire and need a roo class coach who isn't here to develop his skills.
Not saying I'm right, as I said eveyone entitled to an opinion, but surely for the love of all that is good we need to be looking for someone who is a lot more than "better than Ole"?
Is there anything to suggest we are even going for Ten Hag, besides the fact that the club apparently rate him as a manager?
He seems by far the least gettable to me out of him, Rodgers and Poch.
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posted on 25/11/21
Hafi doesn’t know how to interpret stats.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
Hafi doesn’t know how to interpret stats.
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He’s been busy as his latest movie comes out at Christmas
posted on 25/11/21
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 seconds ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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If Poch added Hakimi, Kounde, Rice and Bellingham to our squad we’d be flying.
posted on 25/11/21
I still believe in the Sagrra axis up top
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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How do these stats compared with who came before or after as manager?
The stats I put in, and again I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all they are not, were about the comparisons before and after.
As Darren rightly pointed out at Southampton Askins had managed in the lower division so that impacts on them. However I do think Koemans stats are more impressive than pochs as a result.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 seconds ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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If Poch added Hakimi, Kounde, Rice and Bellingham to our squad we’d be flying.
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See this thought process, of yours and others worries me.
Of course you need good players and should always be looking to refresh the team. However Poch has shown having the "best" players can be a hinderance too. Just look at his PSG tenure and him looking to get out
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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How do these stats compared with who came before or after as manager?
The stats I put in, and again I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all they are not, were about the comparisons before and after.
As Darren rightly pointed out at Southampton Askins had managed in the lower division so that impacts on them. However I do think Koemans stats are more impressive than pochs as a result.
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Poch worked wonders with that Saints side and had them covering more ground than any team in the league. Took them to 8th place and was poached by Spurs quite quickly into the process. He left a great side and canvas for Koeman to work with.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 10 seconds ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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If Poch added Hakimi, Kounde, Rice and Bellingham to our squad we’d be flying.
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See this thought process, of yours and others worries me.
Of course you need good players and should always be looking to refresh the team. However Poch has shown having the "best" players can be a hinderance too. Just look at his PSG tenure and him looking to get out
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The players I listed are good but also work hard. Poch can work with good players but the ones causing him trouble at PSG are the top 3 who don’t work hard.
posted on 25/11/21
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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How do these stats compared with who came before or after as manager?
The stats I put in, and again I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all they are not, were about the comparisons before and after.
As Darren rightly pointed out at Southampton Askins had managed in the lower division so that impacts on them. However I do think Koemans stats are more impressive than pochs as a result.
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Poch worked wonders with that Saints side and had them covering more ground than any team in the league. Took them to 8th place and was poached by Spurs quite quickly into the process. He left a great side and canvas for Koeman to work with.
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Aye but koeman took the win percentage from 38 to 48%. That's some going
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
For some context here Klopp win percentage is as follows:
Mainz 05 - 27 February 2001 to 30 June 2008
P270 W109 D78 L83 40.4%
Borussia Dortmund -1 July 2008 to 30 June 2015
P317 W178 D69 L70 56.2%
Liverpool - 8 October 2015 to Present
P337 W202 D77 L58 59.9%
Overall win percentage - 52.9
I'm not claiming Poch to be at Klopp's level of course but a win percentage of 53% doesn't seem that impressive on first glance. However, he has stayed at places longer than Poch as well so he has had time to get his methods to work. We must remember that for all his good coaching he did need to sign a GK, CB and elite forward at LFC to get them to the next level. Perhaps if Poch did come to United he'd be able to do the same?
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How do these stats compared with who came before or after as manager?
The stats I put in, and again I'm not saying stats are the be all and end all they are not, were about the comparisons before and after.
As Darren rightly pointed out at Southampton Askins had managed in the lower division so that impacts on them. However I do think Koemans stats are more impressive than pochs as a result.
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I understand that and it's fair.
I've looked at the Rodgers stats at Liverpool and his win percentage was 50%. In that case Klopp has improved it by nearly 20% (or 10 percentage points).
At Mainz - Tuchel was manager from 2009-2014 with a win percentage of 39.13% and at Dortmund (June 2015 to May 2017) Tuchel had a win percentage of 62.62%.
What that probably tells me though is that Klopp and Tuchel are better than Rodgers! Which, to be fair, we know already really.
I do think Poch is at a level beneath Tuchel, Pep and Klopp but may well be someone who could get there. He could well have found his level though (a bit like Moyes) in getting smaller clubs punching above their weight. Who knows?
My preference, from what I've read, would be Ten Hag but I wouldn't be against Poch either. But only if he can do what he did at Spurs and improve the players and get them to punch above their weight. Par for United at present would be a clear fourth in the PL and really we need to aim for higher than that.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
Now list his trophy haul
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He’s taken Spurs to as many CL finals as Pep has taken City - with far less money spent. #justsaying
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That’s not really answered the question has it?
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
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Ajax off the ball are a joy to watch.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 7 seconds ago
Now list his trophy haul
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He’s taken Spurs to as many CL finals as Pep has taken City - with far less money spent. #justsaying
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That’s not really answered the question has it?
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It was a silly question. Poch could stay at PSG for the next 10 years and clean up with trophies. What he’s done at lower level clubs is as good as winning trophies at big clubs. Taking Spurs to a CL final without spending a single penny the previous summer and without having a home ground is for me a better achievement than most trophies.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
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Ajax off the ball are a joy to watch.
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Yes, but even more so on it.
I’ve always described Pochettino’s teams as all graft no craft. It works for him, but I think it shows he’s limited in his ability to get a team playing above themselves with the ball, unlike a lot of other coaches. And it’s not very good to watch.
posted on 25/11/21
It was a silly question. Poch could stay at PSG for the next 10 years and clean up with trophies.
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Well, not so far has he.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
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Ajax off the ball are a joy to watch.
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Yes, but even more so on it.
I’ve always described Pochettino’s teams as all graft no craft. It works for him, but I think it shows he’s limited in his ability to get a team playing above themselves with the ball, unlike a lot of other coaches. And it’s not very good to watch.
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To an extent but when it’s good it’s very good. Huge intensity and players working hard to hustle the opposition to lose the ball and quick turnovers.
I agree it’s not as fun as Ajax for example but compared to the shiiiit we’ve watched at the club for years, seeing us actually press sides and play a lot of the game in the opposition side of the pitch will be quite the novelty
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbing Hoody - Legacy Fan (U6374)
posted 32 seconds ago
It was a silly question. Poch could stay at PSG for the next 10 years and clean up with trophies.
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Well, not so far has he.
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He’s already won one trophy and pretty much guaranteed the league this season.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Jinja Ninja (U19849)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
It does help that Poch’s teams are better off the ball than on it. It shows his limitations.
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Ajax off the ball are a joy to watch.
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Yes, but even more so on it.
I’ve always described Pochettino’s teams as all graft no craft. It works for him, but I think it shows he’s limited in his ability to get a team playing above themselves with the ball, unlike a lot of other coaches. And it’s not very good to watch.
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Have to be honest I'm paying more attention to Ajax and ETH since, basically the start of this season with Ole looking more and more lost imo.
I'm seriously liking Ten Hag and when I see his interviews and he says things like 23 match winning streak is good but means nothing without trophies and the while I enjoy the victory for a day or so then focus on next match.etc
Fergie like
posted on 25/11/21
But United has set the bar so low, it’s not relevant. You tried to convince me Mourinho would have us playing good football using a similar argument about Van Gaal. Oh how I laughed.
posted on 25/11/21
Jinja, he’s grate. I just want to see that kind of commitment towards attacking football at United.
I think we need an idealist coach to drill that into the team. Far too often we’ve tended to slip into playing defensively when the promise of attacking football has shown itself.
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Jadon The King Sancho (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
But United has set the bar so low, it’s not relevant. You tried to convince me Mourinho would have us playing good football using a similar argument about Van Gaal. Oh how I laughed.
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In his first season I was right. Then it went wrong 😿
posted on 25/11/21
comment by Robbb Pochettino (U22716)
poste.
I agree it’s not as fun as Ajax for example but compared to the shiiiit we’ve watched at the club for years, seeing us actually press sides and play a lot of the game in the opposition side of the pitch will be quite the novelty
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Not aiming this at you specifically Robb but where and when did this mindset set into some UTD fans where "it's better than Ole" is the go to line?
Genuinely not aiming this at you, think I know you too well 😂, but I've seen/heard it so much from different quarters. And don't get me wrong everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it but I cringe when I hear it. We are aiming to be the elite nig just better than Ole, surely?
I see people fighting the corner of Potter and think why? Yeah he is doing well and maybe an elite manager one day (or not see Eddie Howe etc) but we are in the mire and need a roo class coach who isn't here to develop his skills.
Not saying I'm right, as I said eveyone entitled to an opinion, but surely for the love of all that is good we need to be looking for someone who is a lot more than "better than Ole"?
posted on 25/11/21
Is there anything to suggest we are even going for Ten Hag, besides the fact that the club apparently rate him as a manager?
He seems by far the least gettable to me out of him, Rodgers and Poch.
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