comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 10 minutes ago
Hard for club to defend itself and behaviour of fans when it's leadership behave in this way in public and some fans think its great.
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Spot on Jonty. Mattyp would you be applauding if Radz had done this? If that's a yes, I'd be seriously worried about you – a significant number of our fans still act like morons and those same fans will now think this gives them licence to carry on. Youthful exuberance has its place in moderation but for a 40+ Director of the club to be seen to be as out of control as he was is unacceptable.
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I'm confused by your response.
You don't think I've defended him do you?
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Sorry Mattyp, have I read you wrong?
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 54 minutes ago
I’d rather know what was been said before making comment.
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It doesn't matter what was said, this is not how a football club director should behave in public, having to be restrained by his own stewards.
Haven’t said it isn’t but still would prefer to know what was said.
What if someone was throwing racial abuse at him?
What it someone was insulting his integrity or his family
Might change how one feels about his actions
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 18 minutes ago
Haven’t said it isn’t but still would prefer to know what was said.
What if someone was throwing racial abuse at him?
What it someone was insulting his integrity or his family
Might change how one feels about his actions
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If any of that is said enough for him to hear that then stewards next to directors would have acted and if they hadn't he should ask them to act.
He should not behave that way regardless of what was said.
You have the advantage of hindsight though from a calm setting. Football is an emotional sport.
Sure we have all fired off and regretted it? I bet Victor does! Not condoning this whatsoever but just rather know the full facts
Only a couple of weeks I ended up in a trade off with a mother who cut me up on the road and then gave me the Vs twice and spoke to me like dog poo. Usually I’d just laugh it off but I’ve had some serious family issues of late and it just lit my fuse and I sounded off at her. Regretted it afterwards of course. Different scenario granted but we have no idea what’s going on in victors world or what was said.
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 14 minutes ago
You have the advantage of hindsight though from a calm setting. Football is an emotional sport.
Sure we have all fired off and regretted it? I bet Victor does! Not condoning this whatsoever but just rather know the full facts
Only a couple of weeks I ended up in a trade off with a mother who cut me up on the road and then gave me the Vs twice and spoke to me like dog poo. Usually I’d just laugh it off but I’ve had some serious family issues of late and it just lit my fuse and I sounded off at her. Regretted it afterwards of course. Different scenario granted but we have no idea what’s going on in victors world or what was said.
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I have the advantage of knowing what's acceptable behaviour in public and what's not.
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
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I tried <sad>
Needs to get control of himself in these situations, it's not the first time. He's obviously a very emotional person. Is that what you really need from a director of football? This man is susposed to be dealing with high value transfers.
It was a highly charged last 20 minutes. Brentford were “managing” the game and using every trick in the book to waste time. The ref was awful. We got a last gasp equaliser.
I have no idea why Orta got so upset but I can imagine it must have been something quite bad for him to react like that - plus he would have, like the rest of us in the ground, been totally wound up by the time we scored.
As a director of the club he really should be able to control himself better but until we know what was said or done then I think we should give him some slack. After all, he hasn’t jumped into the crowd with two feet.
He looks like he needs to calm down..or he'll be another 1 having heart attack in the crowd. gawddd knows theres been too many already
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
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I tried <sad>
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You clearly missed the first 10 seconds of the video.
It's embarrassing when your own stewards have to hold you back.
If that was a steward having to be held back by another steward I'm sure they'd be finding themselves out of a job.
no1 is above criticism, no mater age or se x, however something p!ssed him off & he reacted, don't it as an issue, where do you draw the line between showing pleasure or rage, both are emotions that are in all of us & sometimes they show, just man up & be responsible for your actions
Context is everything for me.
I don't know what prompted him to react that way.
Given his position within the club, i'd not expect him to behave as he has, but then I don't know what comment/barb/insult was aimed his way. If it was just a disagreement with a fan/other director/whoever, then it's unacceptable - he needs to be able to control that.
On another issue. At the end a fan ran on and Paddy gave him his shirt. I thought it was fun, but then thought, no it's a bad precedent and example. How many more will try similar thinking they'll get a players shirt now?
As for the Cani (whatever his name is) .... absolute manipulating and lying behaviour. He knew what he was doing (doesn't excuse the fans) but ran away laughing and had absolutely nothing wrong with him. Fans need dealing with, but so does his reaction both before and after the incident. Slime ball player.
Yeah couldn't understand why Canos did that, giving it large to the kop. Should have been booked, absolutley no sympthy for him getting a bottle launched at him.
This has just been broadcast on the main BBC news Sports summary.
It's obvious that Victor Orta has completely lost control and had to be restrained by other LUFC personnel and probably would have lashed out if not.
Disappointed Kinnear is smiling although not sure if that is out of embarrassment.
If you did that in any other Industry as a Director or employee of a reputable Company you would be sacked or asked to resign immediately due to gross misconduct and potential damaging of the brand.
Yes Victor is passionate but his behaviour is totally unacceptable and indefensible from every angle.
.....he has to be grown up enough to accept unsavoury comments thrown his way even if they were awful - certainly in public.
comment by The Very Rev Wilko (U21072)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
This has just been broadcast on the main BBC news Sports summary.
It's obvious that Victor Orta has completely lost control and had to be restrained by other LUFC personnel and probably would have lashed out if not.
Disappointed Kinnear is smiling although not sure if that is out of embarrassment.
If you did that in any other Industry as a Director or employee of a reputable Company you would be sacked or asked to resign immediately due to gross misconduct and potential damaging of the brand.
Yes Victor is passionate but his behaviour is totally unacceptable and indefensible from every angle.
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Exactly.
Let's stay calm and boring
Let's stay calm and boring
Na na na na, LEEDS
Na na na na, LEEDS
Let's stay calm and boring
Let's stay calm and boring
Na na na na, LEEDS
Na na na na, LEEDS
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
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I tried <sad>
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You clearly missed the first 10 seconds of the video.
It's embarrassing when your own stewards have to hold you back.
If that was a steward having to be held back by another steward I'm sure they'd be finding themselves out of a job.
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I have seen the whole video thanks.
I dont think anyone is really "holding" him back. Its not like 2 boxers in the press conference stuff with bouncers holding the scruff of their shirts. Its a polite arm across him body thats all from an elderly senior steward and Orta makes very little attempt to break it. Lets not pretend its anymore than this.
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
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I tried <sad>
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You clearly missed the first 10 seconds of the video.
It's embarrassing when your own stewards have to hold you back.
If that was a steward having to be held back by another steward I'm sure they'd be finding themselves out of a job.
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I have seen the whole video thanks.
I dont think anyone is really "holding" him back. Its not like 2 boxers in the press conference stuff with bouncers holding the scruff of their shirts. Its a polite arm across him body thats all from an elderly senior steward and Orta makes very little attempt to break it. Lets not pretend its anymore than this.
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at 4 seconds in the steward pro actively reaches out to stop Orta. At 8 seconds he has to do it agin with 2 hands to stop Orta.
If Orta had been director of teh company he's employed by, but a fan, stewards actions would have been much more robust.
Orta clearly had zero respect for teh steward and then more Leeds United staff had to restrain him.
If that was a player acting that way, we'd be facing a charge and fine.
It's s shame fans try and justify this behaviour.
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 15 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 10 minutes ago
Hard for club to defend itself and behaviour of fans when it's leadership behave in this way in public and some fans think its great.
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Spot on Jonty. Mattyp would you be applauding if Radz had done this? If that's a yes, I'd be seriously worried about you – a significant number of our fans still act like morons and those same fans will now think this gives them licence to carry on. Youthful exuberance has its place in moderation but for a 40+ Director of the club to be seen to be as out of control as he was is unacceptable.
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I'm confused by your response.
You don't think I've defended him do you?
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Sorry Mattyp, have I read you wrong?
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Yes, as you can see in my comments before this one I think his response is unacceptable for a director of the club and he needs to compose himself better when he is representing the club
The video is still there to be watched. The steward is clearly trying to diffuse the situation and acts as nothing more than a barrier to stop Orta from moving any further forwards and appears to be talking to him and even taps him on the belly a few times to try and calm him down. He isnt holding anybody. He's just giving him a cuddle and trying to calm him down.
There is no "holding" of anybody until he has retreated somewhat and then attempts to go back for more (assume more words were being shouted at him) Whoever he is talking to is out of shot and at least 15 metres away at this stage. Angus Kinnear finds the whole thing quite amusing.
Cant see anybody on this thread who has justified his actions - is someone else writing somewhere else? If not then stop making stuff up that simply isnt there.
There are two stances here -
1/ That he is in the wrong and there is zero sympathy to any of his actions despite not knowing what has been said or what is going on in Victors life right now.
2/ That he is in the wrong but as we do not know what has been said and we don't know what is going on in Victors life right now we show a little compassion. Nobody is perfect and we have all made mistakes in life.
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 minutes ago
The video is still there to be watched. The steward is clearly trying to diffuse the situation and acts as nothing more than a barrier to stop Orta from moving any further forwards and appears to be talking to him and even taps him on the belly a few times to try and calm him down. He isnt holding anybody. He's just giving him a cuddle and trying to calm him down.
There is no "holding" of anybody until he has retreated somewhat and then attempts to go back for more (assume more words were being shouted at him) Whoever he is talking to is out of shot and at least 15 metres away at this stage. Angus Kinnear finds the whole thing quite amusing.
Cant see anybody on this thread who has justified his actions - is someone else writing somewhere else? If not then stop making stuff up that simply isnt there.
There are two stances here -
1/ That he is in the wrong and there is zero sympathy to any of his actions despite not knowing what has been said or what is going on in Victors life right now.
2/ That he is in the wrong but as we do not know what has been said and we don't know what is going on in Victors life right now we show a little compassion. Nobody is perfect and we have all made mistakes in life.
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You're trying to justify it. Completely downplaying what happened and coming up with ludicrous statements like:
"He's just giving him a cuddle"
Sign in if you want to comment
Orta going bonkers
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posted on 5/12/21
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 10 minutes ago
Hard for club to defend itself and behaviour of fans when it's leadership behave in this way in public and some fans think its great.
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Spot on Jonty. Mattyp would you be applauding if Radz had done this? If that's a yes, I'd be seriously worried about you – a significant number of our fans still act like morons and those same fans will now think this gives them licence to carry on. Youthful exuberance has its place in moderation but for a 40+ Director of the club to be seen to be as out of control as he was is unacceptable.
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I'm confused by your response.
You don't think I've defended him do you?
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Sorry Mattyp, have I read you wrong?
posted on 5/12/21
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 54 minutes ago
I’d rather know what was been said before making comment.
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It doesn't matter what was said, this is not how a football club director should behave in public, having to be restrained by his own stewards.
posted on 5/12/21
Haven’t said it isn’t but still would prefer to know what was said.
What if someone was throwing racial abuse at him?
What it someone was insulting his integrity or his family
Might change how one feels about his actions
posted on 5/12/21
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 18 minutes ago
Haven’t said it isn’t but still would prefer to know what was said.
What if someone was throwing racial abuse at him?
What it someone was insulting his integrity or his family
Might change how one feels about his actions
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If any of that is said enough for him to hear that then stewards next to directors would have acted and if they hadn't he should ask them to act.
He should not behave that way regardless of what was said.
posted on 5/12/21
You have the advantage of hindsight though from a calm setting. Football is an emotional sport.
Sure we have all fired off and regretted it? I bet Victor does! Not condoning this whatsoever but just rather know the full facts
Only a couple of weeks I ended up in a trade off with a mother who cut me up on the road and then gave me the Vs twice and spoke to me like dog poo. Usually I’d just laugh it off but I’ve had some serious family issues of late and it just lit my fuse and I sounded off at her. Regretted it afterwards of course. Different scenario granted but we have no idea what’s going on in victors world or what was said.
posted on 5/12/21
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 14 minutes ago
You have the advantage of hindsight though from a calm setting. Football is an emotional sport.
Sure we have all fired off and regretted it? I bet Victor does! Not condoning this whatsoever but just rather know the full facts
Only a couple of weeks I ended up in a trade off with a mother who cut me up on the road and then gave me the Vs twice and spoke to me like dog poo. Usually I’d just laugh it off but I’ve had some serious family issues of late and it just lit my fuse and I sounded off at her. Regretted it afterwards of course. Different scenario granted but we have no idea what’s going on in victors world or what was said.
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I have the advantage of knowing what's acceptable behaviour in public and what's not.
posted on 5/12/21
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
posted on 5/12/21
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
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I tried <sad>
posted on 6/12/21
Needs to get control of himself in these situations, it's not the first time. He's obviously a very emotional person. Is that what you really need from a director of football? This man is susposed to be dealing with high value transfers.
posted on 6/12/21
It was a highly charged last 20 minutes. Brentford were “managing” the game and using every trick in the book to waste time. The ref was awful. We got a last gasp equaliser.
I have no idea why Orta got so upset but I can imagine it must have been something quite bad for him to react like that - plus he would have, like the rest of us in the ground, been totally wound up by the time we scored.
As a director of the club he really should be able to control himself better but until we know what was said or done then I think we should give him some slack. After all, he hasn’t jumped into the crowd with two feet.
posted on 6/12/21
He looks like he needs to calm down..or he'll be another 1 having heart attack in the crowd. gawddd knows theres been too many already
posted on 6/12/21
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
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I tried <sad>
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You clearly missed the first 10 seconds of the video.
It's embarrassing when your own stewards have to hold you back.
If that was a steward having to be held back by another steward I'm sure they'd be finding themselves out of a job.
posted on 6/12/21
no1 is above criticism, no mater age or se x, however something p!ssed him off & he reacted, don't it as an issue, where do you draw the line between showing pleasure or rage, both are emotions that are in all of us & sometimes they show, just man up & be responsible for your actions
posted on 6/12/21
What’s the harm?
posted on 6/12/21
Context is everything for me.
I don't know what prompted him to react that way.
Given his position within the club, i'd not expect him to behave as he has, but then I don't know what comment/barb/insult was aimed his way. If it was just a disagreement with a fan/other director/whoever, then it's unacceptable - he needs to be able to control that.
On another issue. At the end a fan ran on and Paddy gave him his shirt. I thought it was fun, but then thought, no it's a bad precedent and example. How many more will try similar thinking they'll get a players shirt now?
As for the Cani (whatever his name is) .... absolute manipulating and lying behaviour. He knew what he was doing (doesn't excuse the fans) but ran away laughing and had absolutely nothing wrong with him. Fans need dealing with, but so does his reaction both before and after the incident. Slime ball player.
posted on 6/12/21
Yeah couldn't understand why Canos did that, giving it large to the kop. Should have been booked, absolutley no sympthy for him getting a bottle launched at him.
posted on 6/12/21
This has just been broadcast on the main BBC news Sports summary.
It's obvious that Victor Orta has completely lost control and had to be restrained by other LUFC personnel and probably would have lashed out if not.
Disappointed Kinnear is smiling although not sure if that is out of embarrassment.
If you did that in any other Industry as a Director or employee of a reputable Company you would be sacked or asked to resign immediately due to gross misconduct and potential damaging of the brand.
Yes Victor is passionate but his behaviour is totally unacceptable and indefensible from every angle.
posted on 6/12/21
.....he has to be grown up enough to accept unsavoury comments thrown his way even if they were awful - certainly in public.
posted on 6/12/21
comment by The Very Rev Wilko (U21072)
posted 2 hours, 3 minutes ago
This has just been broadcast on the main BBC news Sports summary.
It's obvious that Victor Orta has completely lost control and had to be restrained by other LUFC personnel and probably would have lashed out if not.
Disappointed Kinnear is smiling although not sure if that is out of embarrassment.
If you did that in any other Industry as a Director or employee of a reputable Company you would be sacked or asked to resign immediately due to gross misconduct and potential damaging of the brand.
Yes Victor is passionate but his behaviour is totally unacceptable and indefensible from every angle.
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Exactly.
posted on 6/12/21
Let's stay calm and boring
Let's stay calm and boring
Na na na na, LEEDS
Na na na na, LEEDS
Let's stay calm and boring
Let's stay calm and boring
Na na na na, LEEDS
Na na na na, LEEDS
posted on 6/12/21
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
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I tried <sad>
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You clearly missed the first 10 seconds of the video.
It's embarrassing when your own stewards have to hold you back.
If that was a steward having to be held back by another steward I'm sure they'd be finding themselves out of a job.
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I have seen the whole video thanks.
I dont think anyone is really "holding" him back. Its not like 2 boxers in the press conference stuff with bouncers holding the scruff of their shirts. Its a polite arm across him body thats all from an elderly senior steward and Orta makes very little attempt to break it. Lets not pretend its anymore than this.
posted on 6/12/21
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 hours, 51 minutes ago
comment by Lubo - Struijk of Genius (U14008)
posted 1 minute ago
Kebab stop trying to question the font of all reasonable actions.
Although, for reference, the video I have seen shows Kinnear holding him back, not stewards, like Jonty seems to be suggesting.
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I tried <sad>
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You clearly missed the first 10 seconds of the video.
It's embarrassing when your own stewards have to hold you back.
If that was a steward having to be held back by another steward I'm sure they'd be finding themselves out of a job.
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I have seen the whole video thanks.
I dont think anyone is really "holding" him back. Its not like 2 boxers in the press conference stuff with bouncers holding the scruff of their shirts. Its a polite arm across him body thats all from an elderly senior steward and Orta makes very little attempt to break it. Lets not pretend its anymore than this.
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at 4 seconds in the steward pro actively reaches out to stop Orta. At 8 seconds he has to do it agin with 2 hands to stop Orta.
If Orta had been director of teh company he's employed by, but a fan, stewards actions would have been much more robust.
Orta clearly had zero respect for teh steward and then more Leeds United staff had to restrain him.
If that was a player acting that way, we'd be facing a charge and fine.
It's s shame fans try and justify this behaviour.
posted on 6/12/21
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 15 hours, 41 minutes ago
comment by Mattyp (U8926)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Lorralorimer (U18994)
posted 10 minutes ago
Hard for club to defend itself and behaviour of fans when it's leadership behave in this way in public and some fans think its great.
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Spot on Jonty. Mattyp would you be applauding if Radz had done this? If that's a yes, I'd be seriously worried about you – a significant number of our fans still act like morons and those same fans will now think this gives them licence to carry on. Youthful exuberance has its place in moderation but for a 40+ Director of the club to be seen to be as out of control as he was is unacceptable.
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I'm confused by your response.
You don't think I've defended him do you?
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Sorry Mattyp, have I read you wrong?
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Yes, as you can see in my comments before this one I think his response is unacceptable for a director of the club and he needs to compose himself better when he is representing the club
posted on 6/12/21
The video is still there to be watched. The steward is clearly trying to diffuse the situation and acts as nothing more than a barrier to stop Orta from moving any further forwards and appears to be talking to him and even taps him on the belly a few times to try and calm him down. He isnt holding anybody. He's just giving him a cuddle and trying to calm him down.
There is no "holding" of anybody until he has retreated somewhat and then attempts to go back for more (assume more words were being shouted at him) Whoever he is talking to is out of shot and at least 15 metres away at this stage. Angus Kinnear finds the whole thing quite amusing.
Cant see anybody on this thread who has justified his actions - is someone else writing somewhere else? If not then stop making stuff up that simply isnt there.
There are two stances here -
1/ That he is in the wrong and there is zero sympathy to any of his actions despite not knowing what has been said or what is going on in Victors life right now.
2/ That he is in the wrong but as we do not know what has been said and we don't know what is going on in Victors life right now we show a little compassion. Nobody is perfect and we have all made mistakes in life.
posted on 6/12/21
comment by Kebablegs (U17699)
posted 8 minutes ago
The video is still there to be watched. The steward is clearly trying to diffuse the situation and acts as nothing more than a barrier to stop Orta from moving any further forwards and appears to be talking to him and even taps him on the belly a few times to try and calm him down. He isnt holding anybody. He's just giving him a cuddle and trying to calm him down.
There is no "holding" of anybody until he has retreated somewhat and then attempts to go back for more (assume more words were being shouted at him) Whoever he is talking to is out of shot and at least 15 metres away at this stage. Angus Kinnear finds the whole thing quite amusing.
Cant see anybody on this thread who has justified his actions - is someone else writing somewhere else? If not then stop making stuff up that simply isnt there.
There are two stances here -
1/ That he is in the wrong and there is zero sympathy to any of his actions despite not knowing what has been said or what is going on in Victors life right now.
2/ That he is in the wrong but as we do not know what has been said and we don't know what is going on in Victors life right now we show a little compassion. Nobody is perfect and we have all made mistakes in life.
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You're trying to justify it. Completely downplaying what happened and coming up with ludicrous statements like:
"He's just giving him a cuddle"
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