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How many drugs have you eaten in the past 24 hours?
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You on about Russian or ‘52 mate?
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posted 1 minute ago
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I wonder if there are any contemporary sources describing the shape of teams playing in the pre-offside era. Jonathan Wilson's Inverting the Pyramid book probably covers this a bit, but I can't remember much about this pre-history of the modern game. I assume defenders would look to mark a player anyway, so matches could get quite stretched. Probably quite entertaining.
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I didn't realise that when it was first introduced there were three opposition players required for you to be onside, and it was only changed to 2 in the 1920's to encourage more goals.
There's quite an interesting discussion about it here https://www.quora.com/When-was-the-offside-rule-introduced-in-football
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Nice, thanks for that
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Have you read the article 'When Goalkeepers Used To Hoof It' yet? Great bit of nostalgia
https://theathletic.com/3017335/2021/12/17/it-was-like-kicking-a-piece-of-concrete-when-goalkeepers-used-to-hoof-it/
From Post's link:
An offside rule was included in the first version of the Laws of the Game, in 1863. The first version was much like rugby’s offside rule, which made any attacker who was ahead of the ball offside. In the late 1860s, the rule was modified to define offside in relation to the last defenders’ position, albeit the third-last defender. In 1925, this was changed to the next-to-last defender, and made clear that offside position was not an offense, unless offside position was accompanied by some form of significant involvement.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 seconds ago
From Post's link:
An offside rule was included in the first version of the Laws of the Game, in 1863. The first version was much like rugby’s offside rule, which made any attacker who was ahead of the ball offside. In the late 1860s, the rule was modified to define offside in relation to the last defenders’ position, albeit the third-last defender. In 1925, this was changed to the next-to-last defender, and made clear that offside position was not an offense, unless offside position was accompanied by some form of significant involvement.
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Interesting
Should reverse offside be a thing? You can't pass it back to your goalkeeper unless there is an opposition attacker inbetween you and the keeper? It would be like an extension to the pass back rule, now that keepers have learnt to use their feet as well as their hands?
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 26 seconds ago
Should reverse offside be a thing? You can't pass it back to your goalkeeper unless there is an opposition attacker inbetween you and the keeper? It would be like an extension to the pass back rule, now that keepers have learnt to use their feet as well as their hands?
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Like professional piggy-in-the-middle?
Nah, don’t be daft
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 13 minutes ago
http://refereetales.blogspot.com/2016/10/football-without-offside-german.html?m=1
Here you go.
Basically hoof the thing as long as possible as fast as possible and the park the bus to defend.
It would basically look like any west ham game today.
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Thanks for sharing that. Really interesting read. I wonder if the tactics would adapt gradually and eventually you'd see more sophisticated no-offside football than the mess described there.
For those too lazy to click, here is a section of the article:
The outcome? There was only one goal, scored after five minutes by an offside player. Indeed the game was stretched, creating extra space, the midfield became largely irrelevant, and there was more wing play. There were also too many unsuccessful long balls as the teams attempted to play the ball over the top to strikers standing in what would normally be offside positions.
Worst of all, as the two sides got used to the absent rule, the encounter evolved into something more resembling a handball game (a sport which abolished offside in 1953). As soon as a team lost possession it would hunker back and pack the defence - in the same way that under normal rules a weak opponent will try to eke out a draw against a much stronger team. Except in this game it was end-to-end defence.
In other words, the "crush football" was transferred from midfield to the penalty areas instead. The coaches of both teams were unimpressed by what they'd seen. One thought the game would regress to lazy forwards hanging around up front just waiting for the long ball. The other also bemoaned the surplus of long balls and said it would kill the short passing game that he preferred to coach.
Most surprising of all was the opinion of the referee. "I enjoy the game more with offside," said Özadali. "There was no stress like there usually is when people are yelling, Ref, where are your glasses?" It was precisely this moaning about offside calls that he missed during the game.
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 51 seconds ago
Should reverse offside be a thing? You can't pass it back to your goalkeeper unless there is an opposition attacker inbetween you and the keeper? It would be like an extension to the pass back rule, now that keepers have learnt to use their feet as well as their hands?
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You're wasted here, Barry, that's genius
Ozzie rules (which doesn't have an offside rule) illustrates most closely i think how football was played in the early days (and before the different codes split)
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 4 seconds ago
Ozzie rules (which doesn't have an offside rule) illustrates most closely i think how football was played in the early days (and before the different codes split)
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It's actually only in this code of football that we have offsides. In Aussie, American and Stoke football there is no offside. The difference with those obviously is they involve throwing and not kicking, and you're not offside from throws. Very different sports to normal football obviously.
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wonder if there are any contemporary sources describing the shape of teams playing in the pre-offside era. Jonathan Wilson's Inverting the Pyramid book probably covers this a bit, but I can't remember much about this pre-history of the modern game. I assume defenders would look to mark a player anyway, so matches could get quite stretched. Probably quite entertaining.
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I didn't realise that when it was first introduced there were three opposition players required for you to be onside, and it was only changed to 2 in the 1920's to encourage more goals.
There's quite an interesting discussion about it here https://www.quora.com/When-was-the-offside-rule-introduced-in-football
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Nice, thanks for that
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Have you read the article 'When Goalkeepers Used To Hoof It' yet? Great bit of nostalgia
https://theathletic.com/3017335/2021/12/17/it-was-like-kicking-a-piece-of-concrete-when-goalkeepers-used-to-hoof-it/
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good read that san
Incidentally, who has been caught out at a match shouting offside from a throw in? The brain cannot respond quick enough when seeing a player being played the ball in an offside position to then remember that you can't be offside from a throw in. It's just instinct. So many poor blokes have been caught out by it and laughed at even though they know the laws of the game.
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Incidentally, who has been caught out at a match shouting offside from a throw in? The brain cannot respond quick enough when seeing a player being played the ball in an offside position to then remember that you can't be offside from a throw in. It's just instinct. So many poor blokes have been caught out by it and laughed at even though they know the laws of the game.
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my Mum did this at a liverpool fs academy match years ago |
was embarrassing... i disowned her ofcourse
wimmin' and football
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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I agree
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 13 seconds ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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Is that not the whole point of football? That primal instinct. Imagine a caveman catching a mammoth then having to wait 5 minutes for a decision from VAR on whether he did or not, whilst you and the mammoth stand there anticipating the decision. Kind of kills the original moment.
And that is essentially what sports replace, primal instincts.
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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I agree
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It’s also added a new set of emotions, anger and fury being the main ones.
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 13 seconds ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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Is that not the whole point of football? That primal instinct. Imagine a caveman catching a mammoth then having to wait 5 minutes for a decision from VAR on whether he did or not, whilst you and the mammoth stand there anticipating the decision. Kind of kills the original moment.
And that is essentially what sports replace, primal instincts.
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Harness, not replace.
I've always imagined that football pre-offside rule would have just been much more of a man to man marking game. Probably find youngsters were great entertainment to watch, scrambling everywhere trying to keep up with each other all game. But watching older players was boring af because they'd not be assed with that anymore and just hoof to save energy.
There's been plenty of rule changes but I think the two/three which had the most positive effect on the game in my lifetime (46 yrs) are both PL era changes. The back pass rule and two feet off the ground/through the man from behind tackles, became an automatic red card. Though tbf I have no idea what happened to the "from behind one." Don't remember it being changed but have noticed they stopped straight redding all but the worst of them.
Going forward I think we could do with straight reds for diving which entail a potential 5 match ban for the most blatant offences. And some sort of revision of the back pass rule to prevent teams in possession repeatedly passing back to defenders to sit on the ball until the other team comes for it. Each season another team is trying to play that way, half the Euros was dead games because of it. Teams in possession have to start being compelled to go forward and attack the4 goal. Stamp that sh!t out here, now before every team is doing it and this becomes the Premier Liga.
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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I agree
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It’s also added a new set of emotions, anger and fury being the main ones.
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Yup. Then confusion and apathy.
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 18 seconds ago
I've always imagined that football pre-offside rule would have just been much more of a man to man marking game. Probably find youngsters were great entertainment to watch, scrambling everywhere trying to keep up with each other all game. But watching older players was boring af because they'd not be assed with that anymore and just hoof to save energy.
There's been plenty of rule changes but I think the two/three which had the most positive effect on the game in my lifetime (46 yrs) are both PL era changes. The back pass rule and two feet off the ground/through the man from behind tackles, became an automatic red card. Though tbf I have no idea what happened to the "from behind one." Don't remember it being changed but have noticed they stopped straight redding all but the worst of them.
Going forward I think we could do with straight reds for diving which entail a potential 5 match ban for the most blatant offences. And some sort of revision of the back pass rule to prevent teams in possession repeatedly passing back to defenders to sit on the ball until the other team comes for it. Each season another team is trying to play that way, half the Euros was dead games because of it. Teams in possession have to start being compelled to go forward and attack the4 goal. Stamp that sh!t out here, now before every team is doing it and this becomes the Premier Liga.
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plenty of Spanish teams don't play that way.
There has always been numerous styles of play in Spanish football
some in Britain seem to think they all play like Farza, and have always played that way
That's not true
Be interesting to know what year the OP had really thought that offside was introduced into football rules.....Wonder if he had imagined the likes of Denis Law and Jimmy Greaves goal hanging and leaning against the post having a chat with the oppos keeper wating for the ball to arrive in the box... a la school playground footy
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 56 seconds ago
Going forward I think we could do with straight reds for diving which entail a potential 5 match ban for the most blatant offences.
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I don't think reds are necessary, but at least use VAR to punish diving. It's hard for referees to tell in real time whether something is a dive or just 'not enough to award a foul'. VAR now addresses situations where a significant foul hasn't been spotted, but it could easily be extended to penalise cheats. Yellows could be awarded retrospectively (next stop in play or even after the match) so it needn't interrupt the flow. At the moment, VAR provides an incentive to go down (and stay down) so decisions are checked: it should counterbalance that by giving an incentive not to simulate.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 56 seconds ago
Going forward I think we could do with straight reds for diving which entail a potential 5 match ban for the most blatant offences.
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I don't think reds are necessary, but at least use VAR to punish diving. It's hard for referees to tell in real time whether something is a dive or just 'not enough to award a foul'. VAR now addresses situations where a significant foul hasn't been spotted, but it could easily be extended to penalise cheats. Yellows could be awarded retrospectively (next stop in play or even after the match) so it needn't interrupt the flow. At the moment, VAR provides an incentive to go down (and stay down) so decisions are checked: it should counterbalance that by giving an incentive not to simulate.
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Yeah but ban slow motion replays in VAR for these sorts of things because football doesn't happen in slow motion, other than in La Liga.
Speaking of goalies hoofing it, and though it's not a rule change thing, one part of football from my childhood days I miss is the crowd ritual when a keeper was doing his run-up for a goal kick.
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posted on 22/12/21
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 55 seconds ago
How many drugs have you eaten in the past 24 hours?
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You on about Russian or ‘52 mate?
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wonder if there are any contemporary sources describing the shape of teams playing in the pre-offside era. Jonathan Wilson's Inverting the Pyramid book probably covers this a bit, but I can't remember much about this pre-history of the modern game. I assume defenders would look to mark a player anyway, so matches could get quite stretched. Probably quite entertaining.
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I didn't realise that when it was first introduced there were three opposition players required for you to be onside, and it was only changed to 2 in the 1920's to encourage more goals.
There's quite an interesting discussion about it here https://www.quora.com/When-was-the-offside-rule-introduced-in-football
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Nice, thanks for that
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Have you read the article 'When Goalkeepers Used To Hoof It' yet? Great bit of nostalgia
https://theathletic.com/3017335/2021/12/17/it-was-like-kicking-a-piece-of-concrete-when-goalkeepers-used-to-hoof-it/
posted on 22/12/21
From Post's link:
An offside rule was included in the first version of the Laws of the Game, in 1863. The first version was much like rugby’s offside rule, which made any attacker who was ahead of the ball offside. In the late 1860s, the rule was modified to define offside in relation to the last defenders’ position, albeit the third-last defender. In 1925, this was changed to the next-to-last defender, and made clear that offside position was not an offense, unless offside position was accompanied by some form of significant involvement.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 10 seconds ago
From Post's link:
An offside rule was included in the first version of the Laws of the Game, in 1863. The first version was much like rugby’s offside rule, which made any attacker who was ahead of the ball offside. In the late 1860s, the rule was modified to define offside in relation to the last defenders’ position, albeit the third-last defender. In 1925, this was changed to the next-to-last defender, and made clear that offside position was not an offense, unless offside position was accompanied by some form of significant involvement.
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Interesting
posted on 22/12/21
Should reverse offside be a thing? You can't pass it back to your goalkeeper unless there is an opposition attacker inbetween you and the keeper? It would be like an extension to the pass back rule, now that keepers have learnt to use their feet as well as their hands?
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 26 seconds ago
Should reverse offside be a thing? You can't pass it back to your goalkeeper unless there is an opposition attacker inbetween you and the keeper? It would be like an extension to the pass back rule, now that keepers have learnt to use their feet as well as their hands?
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Like professional piggy-in-the-middle?
Nah, don’t be daft
posted on 22/12/21
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 13 minutes ago
http://refereetales.blogspot.com/2016/10/football-without-offside-german.html?m=1
Here you go.
Basically hoof the thing as long as possible as fast as possible and the park the bus to defend.
It would basically look like any west ham game today.
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Thanks for sharing that. Really interesting read. I wonder if the tactics would adapt gradually and eventually you'd see more sophisticated no-offside football than the mess described there.
For those too lazy to click, here is a section of the article:
The outcome? There was only one goal, scored after five minutes by an offside player. Indeed the game was stretched, creating extra space, the midfield became largely irrelevant, and there was more wing play. There were also too many unsuccessful long balls as the teams attempted to play the ball over the top to strikers standing in what would normally be offside positions.
Worst of all, as the two sides got used to the absent rule, the encounter evolved into something more resembling a handball game (a sport which abolished offside in 1953). As soon as a team lost possession it would hunker back and pack the defence - in the same way that under normal rules a weak opponent will try to eke out a draw against a much stronger team. Except in this game it was end-to-end defence.
In other words, the "crush football" was transferred from midfield to the penalty areas instead. The coaches of both teams were unimpressed by what they'd seen. One thought the game would regress to lazy forwards hanging around up front just waiting for the long ball. The other also bemoaned the surplus of long balls and said it would kill the short passing game that he preferred to coach.
Most surprising of all was the opinion of the referee. "I enjoy the game more with offside," said Özadali. "There was no stress like there usually is when people are yelling, Ref, where are your glasses?" It was precisely this moaning about offside calls that he missed during the game.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 51 seconds ago
Should reverse offside be a thing? You can't pass it back to your goalkeeper unless there is an opposition attacker inbetween you and the keeper? It would be like an extension to the pass back rule, now that keepers have learnt to use their feet as well as their hands?
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You're wasted here, Barry, that's genius
posted on 22/12/21
Ozzie rules (which doesn't have an offside rule) illustrates most closely i think how football was played in the early days (and before the different codes split)
posted on 22/12/21
comment by peks - 1974 (U6618)
posted 4 seconds ago
Ozzie rules (which doesn't have an offside rule) illustrates most closely i think how football was played in the early days (and before the different codes split)
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It's actually only in this code of football that we have offsides. In Aussie, American and Stoke football there is no offside. The difference with those obviously is they involve throwing and not kicking, and you're not offside from throws. Very different sports to normal football obviously.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I wonder if there are any contemporary sources describing the shape of teams playing in the pre-offside era. Jonathan Wilson's Inverting the Pyramid book probably covers this a bit, but I can't remember much about this pre-history of the modern game. I assume defenders would look to mark a player anyway, so matches could get quite stretched. Probably quite entertaining.
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I didn't realise that when it was first introduced there were three opposition players required for you to be onside, and it was only changed to 2 in the 1920's to encourage more goals.
There's quite an interesting discussion about it here https://www.quora.com/When-was-the-offside-rule-introduced-in-football
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Nice, thanks for that
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Have you read the article 'When Goalkeepers Used To Hoof It' yet? Great bit of nostalgia
https://theathletic.com/3017335/2021/12/17/it-was-like-kicking-a-piece-of-concrete-when-goalkeepers-used-to-hoof-it/
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good read that san
posted on 22/12/21
Incidentally, who has been caught out at a match shouting offside from a throw in? The brain cannot respond quick enough when seeing a player being played the ball in an offside position to then remember that you can't be offside from a throw in. It's just instinct. So many poor blokes have been caught out by it and laughed at even though they know the laws of the game.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Incidentally, who has been caught out at a match shouting offside from a throw in? The brain cannot respond quick enough when seeing a player being played the ball in an offside position to then remember that you can't be offside from a throw in. It's just instinct. So many poor blokes have been caught out by it and laughed at even though they know the laws of the game.
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my Mum did this at a liverpool fs academy match years ago |
was embarrassing... i disowned her ofcourse
wimmin' and football
posted on 22/12/21
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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I agree
posted on 22/12/21
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 13 seconds ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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Is that not the whole point of football? That primal instinct. Imagine a caveman catching a mammoth then having to wait 5 minutes for a decision from VAR on whether he did or not, whilst you and the mammoth stand there anticipating the decision. Kind of kills the original moment.
And that is essentially what sports replace, primal instincts.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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I agree
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It’s also added a new set of emotions, anger and fury being the main ones.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 13 seconds ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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Is that not the whole point of football? That primal instinct. Imagine a caveman catching a mammoth then having to wait 5 minutes for a decision from VAR on whether he did or not, whilst you and the mammoth stand there anticipating the decision. Kind of kills the original moment.
And that is essentially what sports replace, primal instincts.
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Harness, not replace.
posted on 22/12/21
I've always imagined that football pre-offside rule would have just been much more of a man to man marking game. Probably find youngsters were great entertainment to watch, scrambling everywhere trying to keep up with each other all game. But watching older players was boring af because they'd not be assed with that anymore and just hoof to save energy.
There's been plenty of rule changes but I think the two/three which had the most positive effect on the game in my lifetime (46 yrs) are both PL era changes. The back pass rule and two feet off the ground/through the man from behind tackles, became an automatic red card. Though tbf I have no idea what happened to the "from behind one." Don't remember it being changed but have noticed they stopped straight redding all but the worst of them.
Going forward I think we could do with straight reds for diving which entail a potential 5 match ban for the most blatant offences. And some sort of revision of the back pass rule to prevent teams in possession repeatedly passing back to defenders to sit on the ball until the other team comes for it. Each season another team is trying to play that way, half the Euros was dead games because of it. Teams in possession have to start being compelled to go forward and attack the4 goal. Stamp that sh!t out here, now before every team is doing it and this becomes the Premier Liga.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Boris 'Inky' Gibson (U5901)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Der Post Nearly Mann. Rangnificent (U1270)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by JustYourAverageFan (U21016)
posted 2 minutes ago
I don't actually think VAR has taken emotion out of the game, just potentially the immediacy of celebrating a goal.
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I agree
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It’s also added a new set of emotions, anger and fury being the main ones.
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Yup. Then confusion and apathy.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 18 seconds ago
I've always imagined that football pre-offside rule would have just been much more of a man to man marking game. Probably find youngsters were great entertainment to watch, scrambling everywhere trying to keep up with each other all game. But watching older players was boring af because they'd not be assed with that anymore and just hoof to save energy.
There's been plenty of rule changes but I think the two/three which had the most positive effect on the game in my lifetime (46 yrs) are both PL era changes. The back pass rule and two feet off the ground/through the man from behind tackles, became an automatic red card. Though tbf I have no idea what happened to the "from behind one." Don't remember it being changed but have noticed they stopped straight redding all but the worst of them.
Going forward I think we could do with straight reds for diving which entail a potential 5 match ban for the most blatant offences. And some sort of revision of the back pass rule to prevent teams in possession repeatedly passing back to defenders to sit on the ball until the other team comes for it. Each season another team is trying to play that way, half the Euros was dead games because of it. Teams in possession have to start being compelled to go forward and attack the4 goal. Stamp that sh!t out here, now before every team is doing it and this becomes the Premier Liga.
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plenty of Spanish teams don't play that way.
There has always been numerous styles of play in Spanish football
some in Britain seem to think they all play like Farza, and have always played that way
That's not true
posted on 22/12/21
Be interesting to know what year the OP had really thought that offside was introduced into football rules.....Wonder if he had imagined the likes of Denis Law and Jimmy Greaves goal hanging and leaning against the post having a chat with the oppos keeper wating for the ball to arrive in the box... a la school playground footy
posted on 22/12/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 56 seconds ago
Going forward I think we could do with straight reds for diving which entail a potential 5 match ban for the most blatant offences.
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I don't think reds are necessary, but at least use VAR to punish diving. It's hard for referees to tell in real time whether something is a dive or just 'not enough to award a foul'. VAR now addresses situations where a significant foul hasn't been spotted, but it could easily be extended to penalise cheats. Yellows could be awarded retrospectively (next stop in play or even after the match) so it needn't interrupt the flow. At the moment, VAR provides an incentive to go down (and stay down) so decisions are checked: it should counterbalance that by giving an incentive not to simulate.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 56 seconds ago
Going forward I think we could do with straight reds for diving which entail a potential 5 match ban for the most blatant offences.
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I don't think reds are necessary, but at least use VAR to punish diving. It's hard for referees to tell in real time whether something is a dive or just 'not enough to award a foul'. VAR now addresses situations where a significant foul hasn't been spotted, but it could easily be extended to penalise cheats. Yellows could be awarded retrospectively (next stop in play or even after the match) so it needn't interrupt the flow. At the moment, VAR provides an incentive to go down (and stay down) so decisions are checked: it should counterbalance that by giving an incentive not to simulate.
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Yeah but ban slow motion replays in VAR for these sorts of things because football doesn't happen in slow motion, other than in La Liga.
posted on 22/12/21
Speaking of goalies hoofing it, and though it's not a rule change thing, one part of football from my childhood days I miss is the crowd ritual when a keeper was doing his run-up for a goal kick.
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