AMN is in league with Aubameyang who is Arteta Out
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 15 minutes ago
Are you his dad?
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No but it doesn't require someone need be to see the potential liability that Arteta is in this area. You just need to put yourself in the shoes of a parent with the choice. You got a kid? If you have then just imagine for yourself, telling me you'd look at how AMN's been treated and say "OH yeah I want that dude in charge of my kid's future, I just love the way he's not let that lad play for 18 months even though he's more than good enough." I don't think you would somehow. And my point is, neither will most parents who give a damn abut their kid's happiness.
I happen to care about how the club treats young talent and the reputation it has/gets for the way it does. And if you'd like to see any more Martinellis Sakas and the like joining AFC in the future then maybe you should start giving a damn too. Since most parents tend to be very fussy about just who they'll hand their kid's hopes and dreams over to. Arteta has this club sending the wrong message out to all of those parents right now. Too much risk of ya kid becoming victim of serious injury or manager's vendetta atm.
Between petty vendettas and overlooking long term health for his own short term goals, Arteta is to big a potential liability. Pretty soon we'll be completely fecked for signing any 16-20 year old whose parents/guardian knows the club's recent history or just does some homework on the careers of younger players who are part of it.
or is it that the manager sees him and his attitude in training everyday and doesn't fancy him improving the team?
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 8 minutes ago
Are you his agent
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As stated above this is about the message the club is sending out there. He's not the only player to be undeservingly badly treated and generally disrespected by the manager. I have a real issue with anybody demanding respect whilst not having the decency to show even the most basic of respect to anyone themselves. Arteta is like "Leadership Flaws 101." And despite Saka and ESR coming through unscathed (so far), he does NOT make a good advert to parents. And THAT'S whom he has to appeal to when signing youngsters. Crap on enough of them and no more will sign whilst he's here.
AMN is the best example because of just how long and hard he waited at AFC doing as asked to get his chance. The repeated breaking of promises to AMN and Arteta's feck job on him again this season makes him the prime example of just how disgusting Arteta's behaviour gets. Also how much this club is willing to flat lie to it's players.
And despite Saka and ESR coming through unscathed (so far), he does NOT make a good advert to parents. And THAT'S whom he has to appeal to when signing youngsters. Crap on enough of them and no more will sign whilst he's here.
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A parent will stop their kid signing for Arsenal because of the current senior team manager? Yeah, because the odds of a manager still being the boss in 7 odd years is massive...
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 2 minutes ago
or is it that the manager sees him and his attitude in training everyday and doesn't fancy him improving the team?
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Not likely otherwise he'd be playing on loan at Everton with potential to get us a better fee come the summer wouldn't he
And attitude reflects leadership. AMN's current alleged attitude is a nothing more than a direct reflection of the disgusting way he has been treated under Arteta's leadership. Don't be buying into Arteta's BS narrative, it isn't and never has been the player in the wrong where AMN is concerned. It's always been Arteta and the worst of it is AMN's not actually really done anything wrong. Just give his all and expected promises made to be fulfilled.
Having seen the way Arteta has treated the majority of younger players at AFC, no way in hell would this club get my kid's signature so long as that man was here.
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We currently have the lowest average age of used players in the Premier League. Barring Laca, Partey and Xhaka everyone within our usual starting 11, and those that get significant minutes, are 24 or younger.
Maybe Arteta just doesn't fancy the lad. In the same way that neither Wenger or Emery fancied him to play centre mid..
The day the lastest academy player debuts, and scores, Tuchel is moaning that he may have to draft some players in from the best academy over the last decade or so to make the numbers up.
But WB2 would rather his kid sign for a club like Chelsea, no doubt...
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
And despite Saka and ESR coming through unscathed (so far), he does NOT make a good advert to parents. And THAT'S whom he has to appeal to when signing youngsters. Crap on enough of them and no more will sign whilst he's here.
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A parent will stop their kid signing for Arsenal because of the current senior team manager?Yeah, because the odds of a manager still being the boss in 7 odd years is massive...
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Of course the parent of a 16-20 yr old good enough to be in 1st teams now, is going to pay attention to who the manager is now ya plum. Whether he'll be here in 7 years time isn't relevant to whether he can stamp on your kid's career for the next 3 years now because he doesn't like something he said.
As for 7 years time, if parents continue the see the owners happily let a manager sh!t all over careers because he feels like it, that reflects poorly on more than just Arteta. Then the tale eventually upgrades from "Arteta sh!ts on young players." to "Arsenal sh!ts on it's young players." Has the man not destroyed enough of the good in AFC's PL reputation. Being known for treating and developing youngsters well not something you'd like us to stay synonymous with then?
Of course the parent of a 16-20 yr old good enough to be in 1st teams now,
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Wow, a 20 year old asking his mum for permission to sign for a club
if parents continue the see the owners happily let a manager sh!t all over careers because he feels like it, that reflects poorly on more than just Arteta.
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I am sure they will look at players like Saka, Smith-Rowe and Patino who were actually kids when Arteta took over, not someone who was 22 and had been pretty much overlooked by two previous managers...
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
The day the lastest academy player debuts, and scores, Tuchel is moaning that he may have to draft some players in from the best academy over the last decade or so to make the numbers up.
But WB2 would rather his kid sign for a club like Chelsea, no doubt...
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No just a club where I can trust the manager to tell him the truth and have his career's best interest among his top priorities.
So you'd be happy with sending your kid to a man that you knew would lie to him, break promises he made and purposely stifle his career, would you? Or would you want to pick one whom was going to give your kid a fair shot, tell then the truth and honour promises they made to him/her?
Don't recall any stories of Per Mertesacker lying to players.
comment by Gunner12 (U7418)
posted 13 minutes ago
Having seen the way Arteta has treated the majority of younger players at AFC, no way in hell would this club get my kid's signature so long as that man was here.
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We currently have the lowest average age of used players in the Premier League. Barring Laca, Partey and Xhaka everyone within our usual starting 11, and those that get significant minutes, are 24 or younger.
Maybe Arteta just doesn't fancy the lad. In the same way that neither Wenger or Emery fancied him to play centre mid..
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Incorrect, Wenger was the first one calling that as where he'd ultimately end up. Emery never had any choice, he had to play him at RB because of Bellerin. Covering for Bellerin is the only reason he never saw more MF playing time previously.
And if he doesn't fancy him there then let him go on loan or sell him to teams that do, like Everton for instance. It's the blocking the loan to make him sit on the bench that truly stinks of foul play on Arteta's part here. There was no reason to block the move if the bench was all he was going to do with him. And he certainly shouldn't have lied to the player promising him game time he had no intention of giving, to do it.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't recall any stories of Per Mertesacker lying to players.
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That's probably because the story is about Arteta lying to players
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't recall any stories of Per Mertesacker lying to players.
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That's probably because the story is about Arteta lying to players
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But Arteta wouldn't have anything to do with a kid until they were developed in the academy. By which time Arteta would unlikely to be manager.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
Of course the parent of a 16-20 yr old good enough to be in 1st teams now,
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Wow, a 20 year old asking his mum for permission to sign for a club
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Don't assume that just because you yourself were such a ps poor excuse for a father your kids woud never seek/listen to and follow your advice about a major decision. That life is that same misery for the rest of us, because it isn't. The majority of us have been decent enough parents that our children are not only willing to accept advice and guidance on major life issues. But from time to time, they will actually even actively seek it from us by themselves.
Your miserable existence of "My own kids hate me so don't care what I have to say about anything," is in the minority. As for the rest of us, our kids love us so they care to listen sometimes.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't recall any stories of Per Mertesacker lying to players.
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That's probably because the story is about Arteta lying to players
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But Arteta wouldn't have anything to do with a kid until they were developed in the academy. By which time Arteta would unlikely to be manager.
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OK DJ, Arteta doesn't have anything to do with 16-20 yr olds whom are good enough, playing in the first team.
The ridiculous lengths you go to troll these days are pitiful
Hmm, maybe we should listen to what the actual players say:
“It feels great and I’m really excited to be here,” Mika told Arsenal.com. “It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity and I couldn’t really turn it down. I think now with the recent track record of youth going into the first team, I thought it was a great project to try and be a part of.”
Oh, it seems the track record of the youth going into the first team far outweighs one player who didn't get played by two previous managers not being happy.
Arteta doesn't have anything to do with 16-20 yr olds whom are good enough, playing in the first team.
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You were talking about kids, now adults? Not really following your thought process.
Incorrect, Wenger was the first one calling that as where he'd ultimately end up. Emery never had any choice, he had to play him at RB because of Bellerin. Covering for Bellerin is the only reason he never saw more MF playing time previously.
And if he doesn't fancy him there then let him go on loan or sell him to teams that do, like Everton for instance. It's the blocking the loan to make him sit on the bench that truly stinks of foul play on Arteta's part here. There was no reason to block the move if the bench was all he was going to do with him. And he certainly shouldn't have lied to the player promising him game time he had no intention of giving, to do it.
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The fact is Sam Allardyce is the only manager who has given him regular minutes as centre midfielder.
Imagine the stick Arteta would have got had he let AMN go out on loan with Xhaka getting injured. That would have left us with Elneny as our only back up to Lokonga and Partey for the best part of 3 months. Granted from AMN's perspective this period hasn't been great for his development, but the fact is we have needed the cover the there.
These fantasies you create are pretty impressive. Is your job a fiction writer?
The fact is Sam Allardyce is the only manager who has given him regular minutes as centre midfielder.
Imagine the stick Arteta would have got had he let AMN go out on loan with Xhaka getting injured. That would have left us with Elneny as our only back up to Lokonga and Partey for the best part of 3 months. Granted from AMN's perspective this period hasn't been great for his development, but the fact is we have needed the cover the there.
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Keeping him as "cover" is no excuse for the player to have seen so little gametime. Not with Partey huffing and puffing all over the gaff, Sambi new to the league and him being a better, younger player than Elneny anyway. The issue here is not the keeping him, it's the keeping him with next to no 1st team gametime and not even a guaranteed cup match starting spot. As "cover" players would normally have. And as Arteta himself promised the AMN he would get staying (PL starts & PL gametime was promised, don't know what they discussed on cup games but they are usually cover players game time).
That's not what a manager does with a bench player he has any intention of giving a future to. It's what he does with a player he wants to let rot. AMN should have been seeing 10/15 mins off the bench and multiple starts so far this season. Because he should have been coming on for a tired Partey/Sambi at times. Arteta could be playing him a lot more than he has been with no detriment to the team, benefit to the player and team too. But no he's freezing him out as he did last season. It's nothing to do with "cover," the fact he's not used him a lot more, says it's personal.
Nothing justifies how little Arteta has played him, given the overall standard of players on the team since Arteta arrived until now.
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posted on 22/12/21
Are you his dad?
posted on 22/12/21
AMN is in league with Aubameyang who is Arteta Out
posted on 22/12/21
Are you his agent
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Jobyfox (U4183)
posted 15 minutes ago
Are you his dad?
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No but it doesn't require someone need be to see the potential liability that Arteta is in this area. You just need to put yourself in the shoes of a parent with the choice. You got a kid? If you have then just imagine for yourself, telling me you'd look at how AMN's been treated and say "OH yeah I want that dude in charge of my kid's future, I just love the way he's not let that lad play for 18 months even though he's more than good enough." I don't think you would somehow. And my point is, neither will most parents who give a damn abut their kid's happiness.
I happen to care about how the club treats young talent and the reputation it has/gets for the way it does. And if you'd like to see any more Martinellis Sakas and the like joining AFC in the future then maybe you should start giving a damn too. Since most parents tend to be very fussy about just who they'll hand their kid's hopes and dreams over to. Arteta has this club sending the wrong message out to all of those parents right now. Too much risk of ya kid becoming victim of serious injury or manager's vendetta atm.
Between petty vendettas and overlooking long term health for his own short term goals, Arteta is to big a potential liability. Pretty soon we'll be completely fecked for signing any 16-20 year old whose parents/guardian knows the club's recent history or just does some homework on the careers of younger players who are part of it.
posted on 22/12/21
or is it that the manager sees him and his attitude in training everyday and doesn't fancy him improving the team?
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Mrs Ramsdale (U21751)
posted 8 minutes ago
Are you his agent
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As stated above this is about the message the club is sending out there. He's not the only player to be undeservingly badly treated and generally disrespected by the manager. I have a real issue with anybody demanding respect whilst not having the decency to show even the most basic of respect to anyone themselves. Arteta is like "Leadership Flaws 101." And despite Saka and ESR coming through unscathed (so far), he does NOT make a good advert to parents. And THAT'S whom he has to appeal to when signing youngsters. Crap on enough of them and no more will sign whilst he's here.
AMN is the best example because of just how long and hard he waited at AFC doing as asked to get his chance. The repeated breaking of promises to AMN and Arteta's feck job on him again this season makes him the prime example of just how disgusting Arteta's behaviour gets. Also how much this club is willing to flat lie to it's players.
posted on 22/12/21
And despite Saka and ESR coming through unscathed (so far), he does NOT make a good advert to parents. And THAT'S whom he has to appeal to when signing youngsters. Crap on enough of them and no more will sign whilst he's here.
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A parent will stop their kid signing for Arsenal because of the current senior team manager? Yeah, because the odds of a manager still being the boss in 7 odd years is massive...
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Samus (Isle of) Arran (U22669)
posted 2 minutes ago
or is it that the manager sees him and his attitude in training everyday and doesn't fancy him improving the team?
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Not likely otherwise he'd be playing on loan at Everton with potential to get us a better fee come the summer wouldn't he
And attitude reflects leadership. AMN's current alleged attitude is a nothing more than a direct reflection of the disgusting way he has been treated under Arteta's leadership. Don't be buying into Arteta's BS narrative, it isn't and never has been the player in the wrong where AMN is concerned. It's always been Arteta and the worst of it is AMN's not actually really done anything wrong. Just give his all and expected promises made to be fulfilled.
posted on 22/12/21
Having seen the way Arteta has treated the majority of younger players at AFC, no way in hell would this club get my kid's signature so long as that man was here.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
We currently have the lowest average age of used players in the Premier League. Barring Laca, Partey and Xhaka everyone within our usual starting 11, and those that get significant minutes, are 24 or younger.
Maybe Arteta just doesn't fancy the lad. In the same way that neither Wenger or Emery fancied him to play centre mid..
posted on 22/12/21
The day the lastest academy player debuts, and scores, Tuchel is moaning that he may have to draft some players in from the best academy over the last decade or so to make the numbers up.
But WB2 would rather his kid sign for a club like Chelsea, no doubt...
posted on 22/12/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 3 minutes ago
And despite Saka and ESR coming through unscathed (so far), he does NOT make a good advert to parents. And THAT'S whom he has to appeal to when signing youngsters. Crap on enough of them and no more will sign whilst he's here.
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A parent will stop their kid signing for Arsenal because of the current senior team manager?Yeah, because the odds of a manager still being the boss in 7 odd years is massive...
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Of course the parent of a 16-20 yr old good enough to be in 1st teams now, is going to pay attention to who the manager is now ya plum. Whether he'll be here in 7 years time isn't relevant to whether he can stamp on your kid's career for the next 3 years now because he doesn't like something he said.
As for 7 years time, if parents continue the see the owners happily let a manager sh!t all over careers because he feels like it, that reflects poorly on more than just Arteta. Then the tale eventually upgrades from "Arteta sh!ts on young players." to "Arsenal sh!ts on it's young players." Has the man not destroyed enough of the good in AFC's PL reputation. Being known for treating and developing youngsters well not something you'd like us to stay synonymous with then?
posted on 22/12/21
Of course the parent of a 16-20 yr old good enough to be in 1st teams now,
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Wow, a 20 year old asking his mum for permission to sign for a club
posted on 22/12/21
if parents continue the see the owners happily let a manager sh!t all over careers because he feels like it, that reflects poorly on more than just Arteta.
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I am sure they will look at players like Saka, Smith-Rowe and Patino who were actually kids when Arteta took over, not someone who was 22 and had been pretty much overlooked by two previous managers...
posted on 22/12/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
The day the lastest academy player debuts, and scores, Tuchel is moaning that he may have to draft some players in from the best academy over the last decade or so to make the numbers up.
But WB2 would rather his kid sign for a club like Chelsea, no doubt...
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No just a club where I can trust the manager to tell him the truth and have his career's best interest among his top priorities.
So you'd be happy with sending your kid to a man that you knew would lie to him, break promises he made and purposely stifle his career, would you? Or would you want to pick one whom was going to give your kid a fair shot, tell then the truth and honour promises they made to him/her?
posted on 22/12/21
Don't recall any stories of Per Mertesacker lying to players.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by Gunner12 (U7418)
posted 13 minutes ago
Having seen the way Arteta has treated the majority of younger players at AFC, no way in hell would this club get my kid's signature so long as that man was here.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
We currently have the lowest average age of used players in the Premier League. Barring Laca, Partey and Xhaka everyone within our usual starting 11, and those that get significant minutes, are 24 or younger.
Maybe Arteta just doesn't fancy the lad. In the same way that neither Wenger or Emery fancied him to play centre mid..
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Incorrect, Wenger was the first one calling that as where he'd ultimately end up. Emery never had any choice, he had to play him at RB because of Bellerin. Covering for Bellerin is the only reason he never saw more MF playing time previously.
And if he doesn't fancy him there then let him go on loan or sell him to teams that do, like Everton for instance. It's the blocking the loan to make him sit on the bench that truly stinks of foul play on Arteta's part here. There was no reason to block the move if the bench was all he was going to do with him. And he certainly shouldn't have lied to the player promising him game time he had no intention of giving, to do it.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't recall any stories of Per Mertesacker lying to players.
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That's probably because the story is about Arteta lying to players
posted on 22/12/21
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't recall any stories of Per Mertesacker lying to players.
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That's probably because the story is about Arteta lying to players
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But Arteta wouldn't have anything to do with a kid until they were developed in the academy. By which time Arteta would unlikely to be manager.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 14 minutes ago
Of course the parent of a 16-20 yr old good enough to be in 1st teams now,
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Wow, a 20 year old asking his mum for permission to sign for a club
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Don't assume that just because you yourself were such a ps poor excuse for a father your kids woud never seek/listen to and follow your advice about a major decision. That life is that same misery for the rest of us, because it isn't. The majority of us have been decent enough parents that our children are not only willing to accept advice and guidance on major life issues. But from time to time, they will actually even actively seek it from us by themselves.
Your miserable existence of "My own kids hate me so don't care what I have to say about anything," is in the minority. As for the rest of us, our kids love us so they care to listen sometimes.
posted on 22/12/21
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by WB2 {Tackle Like Tierney} (U8276)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 5 minutes ago
Don't recall any stories of Per Mertesacker lying to players.
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That's probably because the story is about Arteta lying to players
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But Arteta wouldn't have anything to do with a kid until they were developed in the academy. By which time Arteta would unlikely to be manager.
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OK DJ, Arteta doesn't have anything to do with 16-20 yr olds whom are good enough, playing in the first team.
The ridiculous lengths you go to troll these days are pitiful
posted on 22/12/21
Hmm, maybe we should listen to what the actual players say:
“It feels great and I’m really excited to be here,” Mika told Arsenal.com. “It’s a once in a lifetime opportunity and I couldn’t really turn it down. I think now with the recent track record of youth going into the first team, I thought it was a great project to try and be a part of.”
Oh, it seems the track record of the youth going into the first team far outweighs one player who didn't get played by two previous managers not being happy.
posted on 22/12/21
Arteta doesn't have anything to do with 16-20 yr olds whom are good enough, playing in the first team.
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You were talking about kids, now adults? Not really following your thought process.
posted on 22/12/21
Incorrect, Wenger was the first one calling that as where he'd ultimately end up. Emery never had any choice, he had to play him at RB because of Bellerin. Covering for Bellerin is the only reason he never saw more MF playing time previously.
And if he doesn't fancy him there then let him go on loan or sell him to teams that do, like Everton for instance. It's the blocking the loan to make him sit on the bench that truly stinks of foul play on Arteta's part here. There was no reason to block the move if the bench was all he was going to do with him. And he certainly shouldn't have lied to the player promising him game time he had no intention of giving, to do it.
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The fact is Sam Allardyce is the only manager who has given him regular minutes as centre midfielder.
Imagine the stick Arteta would have got had he let AMN go out on loan with Xhaka getting injured. That would have left us with Elneny as our only back up to Lokonga and Partey for the best part of 3 months. Granted from AMN's perspective this period hasn't been great for his development, but the fact is we have needed the cover the there.
posted on 22/12/21
These fantasies you create are pretty impressive. Is your job a fiction writer?
posted on 22/12/21
The fact is Sam Allardyce is the only manager who has given him regular minutes as centre midfielder.
Imagine the stick Arteta would have got had he let AMN go out on loan with Xhaka getting injured. That would have left us with Elneny as our only back up to Lokonga and Partey for the best part of 3 months. Granted from AMN's perspective this period hasn't been great for his development, but the fact is we have needed the cover the there.
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Keeping him as "cover" is no excuse for the player to have seen so little gametime. Not with Partey huffing and puffing all over the gaff, Sambi new to the league and him being a better, younger player than Elneny anyway. The issue here is not the keeping him, it's the keeping him with next to no 1st team gametime and not even a guaranteed cup match starting spot. As "cover" players would normally have. And as Arteta himself promised the AMN he would get staying (PL starts & PL gametime was promised, don't know what they discussed on cup games but they are usually cover players game time).
That's not what a manager does with a bench player he has any intention of giving a future to. It's what he does with a player he wants to let rot. AMN should have been seeing 10/15 mins off the bench and multiple starts so far this season. Because he should have been coming on for a tired Partey/Sambi at times. Arteta could be playing him a lot more than he has been with no detriment to the team, benefit to the player and team too. But no he's freezing him out as he did last season. It's nothing to do with "cover," the fact he's not used him a lot more, says it's personal.
Nothing justifies how little Arteta has played him, given the overall standard of players on the team since Arteta arrived until now.
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