In case anyone missed them, there are two post credit scenes.
Decent film but could have been much much better.
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In case anyone missed them, there are two post credit scenes.
Decent film but could have been much much better.
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Yeah agreed, could've been better, the jokes/humour weren't strong enough
‘It was a good but very forgettable movie.’
It’s a flawed movie but I wouldn’t say it’s forgettable simply because of the message it’s telling us which no one should ignore or forget.
I think Idiocracy (which a lot of people have made comparisons to) worked a lot better with its satire. I thought Rylance was the best thing in it and that’s because he was able to have a lot of fun with his ridiculous character.
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In case anyone missed them, there are two post credit scenes.
Decent film but could have been much much better.
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Yeah agreed, could've been better, the jokes/humour weren't strong enough
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Disagree the jokes/humour was spot on. It was not supposed to be a comedy. It is a p1sstake of todays society with a subtle plot. The movie flowed superbly.
I'm always vary about movies that go beyond 2 hours and this film did not drag at all.
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The film isn’t really about lampooning the right (or the left).
Its primary message is about an infantilised, distracted and capricious society obsessing itself with pop culture and social media and failing to understand or engage with science, the scientific method, and the scientific community.
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I think you’re wrong with the first bit, as it ties in with your second point. I think there’s a pretty big reference to how politicians at times ignored, and still do, the scientific advice given to them about Covid, purely because of self interest.
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I don’t deny that it goes after politicians; just that it isn’t fundamentally specific about right wing or left wing politics, per se.
It’s attacking politicians who listen to the wrong people, for the wrong reasons, and as a result make the wrong choices.
I think from there we can make our own minds up about which politicians we’ve seen in recent years ignore the scientists in favour of the polls, self-interest, lobbyist influence, and/or their donors.
(And yes, Trump and his administration are very, very obvious candidates.)
The use of the meteor scenario I thought abstracted the argument quite well. It helped make it clear that the film’s message was wider than climate change; and it’ll apply everywhere we (egos collectively) fail to listen to science and reason.
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It applies to all govts. Trump, Biden, Blair, Clinton... the spin, the angle to take, the use of events to one's means. All topped off with the publics focus on celebrities over real meaning of what is going on.
Off on a tangent, the dinner table scene is probably my favourite scene of the year. Superb.
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It absolutely does not apply to all governments equally, and that *really, really* matters.
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Don't want to turn this into a politics thread, but I think you are so, so wrong. You can change the drummer but the beat is the same.
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You think literally every government’s use of spin, degree of transparency in decisionmaking, level of vested interests, interest in placing evidence at the heart of decisionmaking, etc. is the same?,
Not the same but people easily ignore how responsible centrist governments have been to increased global warming. Many will watch this movie and just laugh at Trump as if he invented global warming.
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Not the same but people easily ignore how responsible centrist governments have been to increased global warming. Many will watch this movie and just laugh at Trump as if he invented global warming.
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Absolutely.
He was undeniably degrees worse in exacerbating the problem - for various reasons - than those preceding him, however; arguably particularly in the legacy of his impact on the US public’s thinking.
That matters.
I dunno, Trump existed and was put into power because people wanted him, he didn’t create them, what had happened over the years did. Global warming would still be as critical an issue now had Trump not been in power for 4 years.
What Trump has done however and this is what is the really damaging part is give oxygen to a belief that the experts are not to be trusted and that they’re all in on some plot to hurt the average American (who obviously believe they’re the centre of the world)
So by sowing seeds of discontent that leads to a huge lack of trust in exactly the places where there really shouldn’t be any doubt. Trump isn’t even the worst - he’s the version 1.0 of this and what he’s given rise to is horrific versions of him like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Ron Death Sentence and Madison Cawthorne who will take the teachings of Trump and divide opinion even more which will lead that country down a very dark place.
But the politicians have been ignoring science all the time, it’s not just Trump. Global warming hasn’t occurred because Trump and his idiot supporters think the earth is flat and covid isn’t real.
Trump was created as a reaction to the sh-t that was around before, people had enough and wanted change. Others also wanted change and someone who actually cared like Bernie to be in power but everyone in power did their best to not let him in.
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But the politicians have been ignoring science all the time, it’s not just Trump. Global warming hasn’t occurred because Trump and his idiot supporters think the earth is flat and covid isn’t real.
Trump was created as a reaction to the sh-t that was around before, people had enough and wanted change. Others also wanted change and someone who actually cared like Bernie to be in power but everyone in power did their best to not let him in.
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Of course global warming isn’t because of Trump but he made things worse while in power because as one of the main polluting nations, he did all he could to make sure his policies made it less likely that anything positive would change there. He did his level best to make the US and it’s people believe America first was and should be a thing instead of working together with the world to collectively reduce emissions.
Yes we all know Trump was awful and a total c-nt but a flaw in this film was that it too easily made him and his presidency the issue when it was only part of the problem.
The political world has been ignoring and refusing to work together to deal with climate change long before Trump came to power.
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posted 12 minutes ago
Yes we all know Trump was awful and a total c-nt but a flaw in this film was that it too easily made him and his presidency the issue when it was only part of the problem.
The political world has been ignoring and refusing to work together to deal with climate change long before Trump came to power.
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I don’t think anyone is denying that.
The point is, though, that, for example (and yes, it is only one indicator, but it’s representative), US CO2 emissions fell pretty steadily from their peak in 2007 to 2016. Then Trump took office, stripped a load of regulation back, and emissions steadily increased for four years. That matters.
He stripped a load of powers away from the EPA. He tried to outright sabotage the Paris accord. He actively helped persuade millions of Americans that there was a debate about whether sapiens was responsible for climate change. He directly put people in positions of power to shape policy and legislation that outright deny climate change. He binned the Clean Power Plan. He binned rules limiting the venting or flaring of methane from oil refineries.
That’s just off the top of my head. His administration was a full-frontal assault on the environment. There are countless other examples of damage his administration did.
It really matters, it really, really does, that we don’t fall into the trap of arguing that these people are all the same. That results in people feeling powerless and denying their own agency (which is all too easy to do anyway), and failing to appreciate that their decisions, actions and votes matter. And they do.
Jonah mocking Jared Kushner was very good
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Jonah mocking Jared Kushner was very good
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And Don jr 😹
Have it ready to go tonight.
(Count me in on anything that has a go at Trump
and the array of fuqwits in his orbit.)
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Yes but putting Trump as the face of this crisis is stupid and far too simplistic. Biden has done f-ck all since taking over, in fact pretty much going against most his pledges that got him into power. My point is we all know Trump was awful but global warming (the whole point of the movie) would still be a critial issue right now had Trump never been in power. Neo liberals probably watching the movie giving themselves a pat on their backs (Streep) laughing at the stupid Republican politicians in the movie unaware that their own politicians have caused horrendous damage to climate change themselves.
It's why I think the movie is very flawed. It's a great subject matter and nice to see it made and had some good moments but didn't really tackle it well enough for me.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yes we all know Trump was awful and a total c-nt but a flaw in this film was that it too easily made him and his presidency the issue when it was only part of the problem.
The political world has been ignoring and refusing to work together to deal with climate change long before Trump came to power.
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I don’t think anyone is denying that.
The point is, though, that, for example (and yes, it is only one indicator, but it’s representative), US CO2 emissions fell pretty steadily from their peak in 2007 to 2016. Then Trump took office, stripped a load of regulation back, and emissions steadily increased for four years. That matters.
He stripped a load of powers away from the EPA. He tried to outright sabotage the Paris accord. He actively helped persuade millions of Americans that there was a debate about whether sapiens was responsible for climate change. He directly put people in positions of power to shape policy and legislation that outright deny climate change. He binned the Clean Power Plan. He binned rules limiting the venting or flaring of methane from oil refineries.
That’s just off the top of my head. His administration was a full-frontal assault on the environment. There are countless other examples of damage his administration did.
It really matters, it really, really does, that we don’t fall into the trap of arguing that these people are all the same. That results in people feeling powerless and denying their own agency (which is all too easy to do anyway), and failing to appreciate that their decisions, actions and votes matter. And they do.
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I know absolutely nothing about the US and emissions, but a quick Google and this came up.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-1999/
It doesn't seem to back up your findings. 🤷♂️
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Emissions declined in the USA and all industrialised countries in 2020 due to Covid dramatically reducing economic activity and travel. I don't think any serious or uncorrupted analyst has argued that the US and developed economies in general are so far falling significantly behind the carbon reductions required to avoid catastrophic levels of warming.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Yes we all know Trump was awful and a total c-nt but a flaw in this film was that it too easily made him and his presidency the issue when it was only part of the problem.
The political world has been ignoring and refusing to work together to deal with climate change long before Trump came to power.
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I don't think the film suggested that a certain type of president was central to the problem. It took aim very much at the infotainment industry, the inadequacy of social media, and the emptiness of the utopian promises of tech billionaires as key components of the ecosystem. Even when it came to Streep's character, it portrayed the political dynamics that incentivised bad decisions: there was a clear logic to inaction. The populist rhetoric had Trumpy echoes but overall I didn't see this as a pastiche of Trumpism.
I'd echo Rosso's earlier point that it's important to distinguish between inadequate political forces within the democratic and reality-based mainstream and actively malign, authoritarian, anti-science forces on the other hand. The former must be criticised, held to account and pushed toward adopting better policies. The latter must be implacably opposed and defeated. The really bad people count on our cynicism to facilitate their grasp on power.
No it isn't blatantly obvious but of any politician or party it is aimed at it's Trump. The title of the movie is clearly based on Trumps simple slogans, the president wears a MAGA like hate, her fans carry MAGA-like signs, Hill is clearly representing a Trump kid and so many comments/reviews I've read stating enjoying laughing at the stupidity of Trump.
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posted on 31/12/21
In case anyone missed them, there are two post credit scenes.
Decent film but could have been much much better.
posted on 31/12/21
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
In case anyone missed them, there are two post credit scenes.
Decent film but could have been much much better.
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Yeah agreed, could've been better, the jokes/humour weren't strong enough
posted on 31/12/21
‘It was a good but very forgettable movie.’
It’s a flawed movie but I wouldn’t say it’s forgettable simply because of the message it’s telling us which no one should ignore or forget.
posted on 31/12/21
I think Idiocracy (which a lot of people have made comparisons to) worked a lot better with its satire. I thought Rylance was the best thing in it and that’s because he was able to have a lot of fun with his ridiculous character.
posted on 31/12/21
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by What would Stuart Pearce do? Aren't dogs great. (U3126)
posted 8 minutes ago
In case anyone missed them, there are two post credit scenes.
Decent film but could have been much much better.
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Yeah agreed, could've been better, the jokes/humour weren't strong enough
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Disagree the jokes/humour was spot on. It was not supposed to be a comedy. It is a p1sstake of todays society with a subtle plot. The movie flowed superbly.
I'm always vary about movies that go beyond 2 hours and this film did not drag at all.
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comment by And... Rosso... Though its... Yeah and... That... (U17054)
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The film isn’t really about lampooning the right (or the left).
Its primary message is about an infantilised, distracted and capricious society obsessing itself with pop culture and social media and failing to understand or engage with science, the scientific method, and the scientific community.
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I think you’re wrong with the first bit, as it ties in with your second point. I think there’s a pretty big reference to how politicians at times ignored, and still do, the scientific advice given to them about Covid, purely because of self interest.
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I don’t deny that it goes after politicians; just that it isn’t fundamentally specific about right wing or left wing politics, per se.
It’s attacking politicians who listen to the wrong people, for the wrong reasons, and as a result make the wrong choices.
I think from there we can make our own minds up about which politicians we’ve seen in recent years ignore the scientists in favour of the polls, self-interest, lobbyist influence, and/or their donors.
(And yes, Trump and his administration are very, very obvious candidates.)
The use of the meteor scenario I thought abstracted the argument quite well. It helped make it clear that the film’s message was wider than climate change; and it’ll apply everywhere we (egos collectively) fail to listen to science and reason.
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It applies to all govts. Trump, Biden, Blair, Clinton... the spin, the angle to take, the use of events to one's means. All topped off with the publics focus on celebrities over real meaning of what is going on.
Off on a tangent, the dinner table scene is probably my favourite scene of the year. Superb.
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It absolutely does not apply to all governments equally, and that *really, really* matters.
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Don't want to turn this into a politics thread, but I think you are so, so wrong. You can change the drummer but the beat is the same.
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You think literally every government’s use of spin, degree of transparency in decisionmaking, level of vested interests, interest in placing evidence at the heart of decisionmaking, etc. is the same?,
posted on 31/12/21
Not the same but people easily ignore how responsible centrist governments have been to increased global warming. Many will watch this movie and just laugh at Trump as if he invented global warming.
posted on 31/12/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 2 minutes ago
Not the same but people easily ignore how responsible centrist governments have been to increased global warming. Many will watch this movie and just laugh at Trump as if he invented global warming.
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Absolutely.
He was undeniably degrees worse in exacerbating the problem - for various reasons - than those preceding him, however; arguably particularly in the legacy of his impact on the US public’s thinking.
That matters.
posted on 31/12/21
I dunno, Trump existed and was put into power because people wanted him, he didn’t create them, what had happened over the years did. Global warming would still be as critical an issue now had Trump not been in power for 4 years.
posted on 31/12/21
What Trump has done however and this is what is the really damaging part is give oxygen to a belief that the experts are not to be trusted and that they’re all in on some plot to hurt the average American (who obviously believe they’re the centre of the world)
So by sowing seeds of discontent that leads to a huge lack of trust in exactly the places where there really shouldn’t be any doubt. Trump isn’t even the worst - he’s the version 1.0 of this and what he’s given rise to is horrific versions of him like Marjorie Taylor Greene, Ron Death Sentence and Madison Cawthorne who will take the teachings of Trump and divide opinion even more which will lead that country down a very dark place.
posted on 31/12/21
But the politicians have been ignoring science all the time, it’s not just Trump. Global warming hasn’t occurred because Trump and his idiot supporters think the earth is flat and covid isn’t real.
Trump was created as a reaction to the sh-t that was around before, people had enough and wanted change. Others also wanted change and someone who actually cared like Bernie to be in power but everyone in power did their best to not let him in.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 22 minutes ago
But the politicians have been ignoring science all the time, it’s not just Trump. Global warming hasn’t occurred because Trump and his idiot supporters think the earth is flat and covid isn’t real.
Trump was created as a reaction to the sh-t that was around before, people had enough and wanted change. Others also wanted change and someone who actually cared like Bernie to be in power but everyone in power did their best to not let him in.
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Of course global warming isn’t because of Trump but he made things worse while in power because as one of the main polluting nations, he did all he could to make sure his policies made it less likely that anything positive would change there. He did his level best to make the US and it’s people believe America first was and should be a thing instead of working together with the world to collectively reduce emissions.
posted on 31/12/21
Yes we all know Trump was awful and a total c-nt but a flaw in this film was that it too easily made him and his presidency the issue when it was only part of the problem.
The political world has been ignoring and refusing to work together to deal with climate change long before Trump came to power.
posted on 31/12/21
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yes we all know Trump was awful and a total c-nt but a flaw in this film was that it too easily made him and his presidency the issue when it was only part of the problem.
The political world has been ignoring and refusing to work together to deal with climate change long before Trump came to power.
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I don’t think anyone is denying that.
The point is, though, that, for example (and yes, it is only one indicator, but it’s representative), US CO2 emissions fell pretty steadily from their peak in 2007 to 2016. Then Trump took office, stripped a load of regulation back, and emissions steadily increased for four years. That matters.
He stripped a load of powers away from the EPA. He tried to outright sabotage the Paris accord. He actively helped persuade millions of Americans that there was a debate about whether sapiens was responsible for climate change. He directly put people in positions of power to shape policy and legislation that outright deny climate change. He binned the Clean Power Plan. He binned rules limiting the venting or flaring of methane from oil refineries.
That’s just off the top of my head. His administration was a full-frontal assault on the environment. There are countless other examples of damage his administration did.
It really matters, it really, really does, that we don’t fall into the trap of arguing that these people are all the same. That results in people feeling powerless and denying their own agency (which is all too easy to do anyway), and failing to appreciate that their decisions, actions and votes matter. And they do.
posted on 31/12/21
Jonah mocking Jared Kushner was very good
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Jonah mocking Jared Kushner was very good
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And Don jr 😹
posted on 31/12/21
Have it ready to go tonight.
(Count me in on anything that has a go at Trump
and the array of fuqwits in his orbit.)
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Rosso
Yes but putting Trump as the face of this crisis is stupid and far too simplistic. Biden has done f-ck all since taking over, in fact pretty much going against most his pledges that got him into power. My point is we all know Trump was awful but global warming (the whole point of the movie) would still be a critial issue right now had Trump never been in power. Neo liberals probably watching the movie giving themselves a pat on their backs (Streep) laughing at the stupid Republican politicians in the movie unaware that their own politicians have caused horrendous damage to climate change themselves.
It's why I think the movie is very flawed. It's a great subject matter and nice to see it made and had some good moments but didn't really tackle it well enough for me.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yes we all know Trump was awful and a total c-nt but a flaw in this film was that it too easily made him and his presidency the issue when it was only part of the problem.
The political world has been ignoring and refusing to work together to deal with climate change long before Trump came to power.
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I don’t think anyone is denying that.
The point is, though, that, for example (and yes, it is only one indicator, but it’s representative), US CO2 emissions fell pretty steadily from their peak in 2007 to 2016. Then Trump took office, stripped a load of regulation back, and emissions steadily increased for four years. That matters.
He stripped a load of powers away from the EPA. He tried to outright sabotage the Paris accord. He actively helped persuade millions of Americans that there was a debate about whether sapiens was responsible for climate change. He directly put people in positions of power to shape policy and legislation that outright deny climate change. He binned the Clean Power Plan. He binned rules limiting the venting or flaring of methane from oil refineries.
That’s just off the top of my head. His administration was a full-frontal assault on the environment. There are countless other examples of damage his administration did.
It really matters, it really, really does, that we don’t fall into the trap of arguing that these people are all the same. That results in people feeling powerless and denying their own agency (which is all too easy to do anyway), and failing to appreciate that their decisions, actions and votes matter. And they do.
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I know absolutely nothing about the US and emissions, but a quick Google and this came up.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-1999/
It doesn't seem to back up your findings. 🤷♂️
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Emissions declined in the USA and all industrialised countries in 2020 due to Covid dramatically reducing economic activity and travel. I don't think any serious or uncorrupted analyst has argued that the US and developed economies in general are so far falling significantly behind the carbon reductions required to avoid catastrophic levels of warming.
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
Yes we all know Trump was awful and a total c-nt but a flaw in this film was that it too easily made him and his presidency the issue when it was only part of the problem.
The political world has been ignoring and refusing to work together to deal with climate change long before Trump came to power.
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I don't think the film suggested that a certain type of president was central to the problem. It took aim very much at the infotainment industry, the inadequacy of social media, and the emptiness of the utopian promises of tech billionaires as key components of the ecosystem. Even when it came to Streep's character, it portrayed the political dynamics that incentivised bad decisions: there was a clear logic to inaction. The populist rhetoric had Trumpy echoes but overall I didn't see this as a pastiche of Trumpism.
I'd echo Rosso's earlier point that it's important to distinguish between inadequate political forces within the democratic and reality-based mainstream and actively malign, authoritarian, anti-science forces on the other hand. The former must be criticised, held to account and pushed toward adopting better policies. The latter must be implacably opposed and defeated. The really bad people count on our cynicism to facilitate their grasp on power.
posted on 31/12/21
No it isn't blatantly obvious but of any politician or party it is aimed at it's Trump. The title of the movie is clearly based on Trumps simple slogans, the president wears a MAGA like hate, her fans carry MAGA-like signs, Hill is clearly representing a Trump kid and so many comments/reviews I've read stating enjoying laughing at the stupidity of Trump.
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