One "elite" club hasn't won anything of note for over 30 years.
Well they clearly aren't now, given the levels they're managing at. Jose is at another club yearning to be back in the CL and failing by all accounts.
Rafa's last two jobs outside Asia were for clubs that have been long starved of success, where he hasn't shown any sign of progressing them.
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comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 48 seconds ago
Pep and Klopp have both been continuously adapting and tweaking their styles, the most obvious example Klopp ending the madman style and going more conservative which helped us win the two big trophies. Then Fergie is the ultimate example, 25 years of non stop adapting, thinking up of new styles to intimidate referees.
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This is where Tuchel may yet, fall short.
He's won the Champions League, which should give him some credit in the bank. But without his wingbacks he needs to find a suitable 'Plan B' to work with what he has.
Spurs matches aside, he has (IMO) been struggling to to do that.
That or it shows our back up players to be woefully inadequate.
Rafa guided newcastle to comfortable mid table positions in 2018-19 without spending a penny really. Would klopp or pep have done better? Everton was a bad choice for both parties
Every manager has a sell by date, just like a player. Pep and Klopps style might be outdated by the next 4 years where another up and coming managers might come up something new and unique...who knows.
You can do it for a while if you’ve managed to create a cult like following from some fans like Rafa and Mourinho did. They’ve been washed up for ages but still get decent jobs on the back of it.
It depends on what type of fan you are, if you are a `glory supporter` and jumped on the trophy bandwagon of the time, despite having no connection to the club, like the majority of Pool fans, then you will dine out on past achievements forever.
There are true fans who live within the area of their club, go to games and watch their team regardless.
Then you have `supporters`, who jump on the trophy bandwagon of the time, live at the other end of the country, hardly ever go to games and who will not watch match of the day when their team loses. These kind of fair weather supporters are always the first to quote trophy counts, as it is their first point of call and default fall back option.
Celtic at 55 years, England at 56 still dining out over one off cup wins.
So they have a long time yet.
All I imagine is a Wahl in a cage, with someone outside taunting him and he cannot get out to attack them. Just bringing out parts of Mourinho's body from a bag and holding them up in front of him. Then eating them and uttering things like "Mmm that tastes special". Biting off the fingers on his hand one by one, "one, two, three times", he taunts.
That's a banned wahl reading this article right now.
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posted 1 minute ago
Celtic at 55 years, England at 56 still dining out over one off cup wins.
So they have a long time yet.
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Like Rangers and their last league title in 2011?
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
Football has moved on and Rafa and Jose are now the equivalent of Big Sam from a decade ago. With Jose it is his arrogance at refusing to think that he has to change his approach due to his past success which is the reason he now finds himself at Spurs and Roma rather than Madrid and Chelsea.
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This
Look, reputation and ability trump recently bought trophies.
Anchelotti waltzed into real madrid again because they knew he could handle the media and the pressures around that particular job.
He could easily be moved on in a year for all we know but he still got it and they are sitting unimpressively 4 points clear of seville in la liga and a country mile ahead of barca/atletico. The CL last 16 will decide v PSG.
Mourinho's problem is his reputation is not just as a serial winner but as a massive whinge bag and toy chucker so unlike anchelotti he is not seen as one who can handle it any more.
Conte is at spurs because he is seen as difficult.
Rafa benitez is not seen by anyone as an elite manager as he's had to hawk round china and the nether regions of england for many years. his time has well passed. again he did this to himself by looking difficult at valencia, LFC and inter. As a result his brief sojourns tino cheslea and real were greeted by fans who ddind't beleive he coudl do it and in the end no matter what was won or not won he was out.
Pep has the aura. Failure to win the CL has somehow not diminished that aura despite bayer and city now being 7 years and counting at winning domestic titles using dominant money positions.
Frankly klopp has that aura as LFC fans fell over themselves when he arrive and are still fawning all over him no matter what the results may be. He hasn't tarnished it yet with one bad season and several transfer windows of less than active work to keep up with the oil dopers.
tuchel is another, had to say how quite he has the rep he has having won very little but he is very much a defensive minds coach who won't take any guff so he comes across as again the man for the job (but is still getting sacked this summer)
in many of these "top clubs" managers come and go with 18 months to 2 years life span. Its a revolving door and the steady hand with good rep is more important than the big ego and flashy rep.
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 minutes ago
Look, reputation and ability trump recently bought trophies.
Anchelotti waltzed into real madrid again because they knew he could handle the media and the pressures around that particular job.
He could easily be moved on in a year for all we know but he still got it and they are sitting unimpressively 4 points clear of seville in la liga and a country mile ahead of barca/atletico. The CL last 16 will decide v PSG.
Mourinho's problem is his reputation is not just as a serial winner but as a massive whinge bag and toy chucker so unlike anchelotti he is not seen as one who can handle it any more.
Conte is at spurs because he is seen as difficult.
Rafa benitez is not seen by anyone as an elite manager as he's had to hawk round china and the nether regions of england for many years. his time has well passed. again he did this to himself by looking difficult at valencia, LFC and inter. As a result his brief sojourns tino cheslea and real were greeted by fans who ddind't beleive he coudl do it and in the end no matter what was won or not won he was out.
Pep has the aura. Failure to win the CL has somehow not diminished that aura despite bayer and city now being 7 years and counting at winning domestic titles using dominant money positions.
Frankly klopp has that aura as LFC fans fell over themselves when he arrive and are still fawning all over him no matter what the results may be. He hasn't tarnished it yet with one bad season and several transfer windows of less than active work to keep up with the oil dopers.
tuchel is another, had to say how quite he has the rep he has having won very little but he is very much a defensive minds coach who won't take any guff so he comes across as again the man for the job (but is still getting sacked this summer)
in many of these "top clubs" managers come and go with 18 months to 2 years life span. Its a revolving door and the steady hand with good rep is more important than the big ego and flashy rep.
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I didn't used to have a problem with Rafa, when he came in for his stint with us.
But looking back to that Europa League Final, where JT wasn't even on the bench and things JT has implied since, suggest to me that was a personal thing and nothing to do with Football and professionalism.
I work with an Everton fan who does genuinely believe Rafa causes unrest at every club he goes to. And cannot understand how the hierachy at Everton allowed Rafa to get rid of all these established staff only to sack Rafa and also to allow Rafa to sell a player to Villa not even a week before sacking him.
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 48 seconds ago
Pep and Klopp have both been continuously adapting and tweaking their styles, the most obvious example Klopp ending the madman style and going more conservative which helped us win the two big trophies. Then Fergie is the ultimate example, 25 years of non stop adapting, thinking up of new styles to intimidate referees.
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This is where Tuchel may yet, fall short.
He's won the Champions League, which should give him some credit in the bank. But without his wingbacks he needs to find a suitable 'Plan B' to work with what he has.
Spurs matches aside, he has (IMO) been struggling to to do that.
That or it shows our back up players to be woefully inadequate.
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TT falls short with 'in game management' - fails to see the picture with subs for me....i'd like to see changes on the hour (minimum) & ideally ones to add to attacking options & or secure/improve any lead we have.
No good defending a 1 goal lead, we've shown we cant' sustain it...at least give those coming on a fair shot...8 minutes is no good for anyone..the game is gone by then...unless you are putting on defenders to shore up a game
shore up a game late doors I mean...like inside the last 5 mins
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 29 minutes ago
All I imagine is a Wahl in a cage, with someone outside taunting him and he cannot get out to attack them. Just bringing out parts of Mourinho's body from a bag and holding them up in front of him. Then eating them and uttering things like "Mmm that tastes special". Biting off the fingers on his hand one by one, "one, two, three times", he taunts.
That's a banned wahl reading this article right now.
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Every once in a while Barry drops a post that reminds us what he can do if he can be bothered.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 42 minutes ago
Celtic at 55 years, England at 56 still dining out over one off cup wins.
So they have a long time yet.
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This is true. Cant have an international tournament without some sort of 66 montage…
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 48 seconds ago
Pep and Klopp have both been continuously adapting and tweaking their styles, the most obvious example Klopp ending the madman style and going more conservative which helped us win the two big trophies. Then Fergie is the ultimate example, 25 years of non stop adapting, thinking up of new styles to intimidate referees.
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This is where Tuchel may yet, fall short.
He's won the Champions League, which should give him some credit in the bank. But without his wingbacks he needs to find a suitable 'Plan B' to work with what he has.
Spurs matches aside, he has (IMO) been struggling to to do that.
That or it shows our back up players to be woefully inadequate.
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TT falls short with 'in game management' - fails to see the picture with subs for me....i'd like to see changes on the hour (minimum) & ideally ones to add to attacking options & or secure/improve any lead we have.
No good defending a 1 goal lead, we've shown we cant' sustain it...at least give those coming on a fair shot...8 minutes is no good for anyone..the game is gone by then...unless you are putting on defenders to shore up a game
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Pepper, this is why I do kinda fear that Tuchel might be removed sooner rather than later.
I don't believe we fluked the win in Porto, but I do think it's painted over a few cracks.
I want to see Tuchel properly backed. But the problem is: if Chilly does fully recover and re-discovers his best form (as injury can ruin a player's form) and Reece stays fit. The suitable back ups the club needs may not be willing to join, knowing they're just that..........
I still think Lukaku goes in the Summer as well. So back to Square 1.
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 minutes ago
Look, reputation and ability trump recently bought trophies.
Anchelotti waltzed into real madrid again because they knew he could handle the media and the pressures around that particular job.
He could easily be moved on in a year for all we know but he still got it and they are sitting unimpressively 4 points clear of seville in la liga and a country mile ahead of barca/atletico. The CL last 16 will decide v PSG.
Mourinho's problem is his reputation is not just as a serial winner but as a massive whinge bag and toy chucker so unlike anchelotti he is not seen as one who can handle it any more.
Conte is at spurs because he is seen as difficult.
Rafa benitez is not seen by anyone as an elite manager as he's had to hawk round china and the nether regions of england for many years. his time has well passed. again he did this to himself by looking difficult at valencia, LFC and inter. As a result his brief sojourns tino cheslea and real were greeted by fans who ddind't beleive he coudl do it and in the end no matter what was won or not won he was out.
Pep has the aura. Failure to win the CL has somehow not diminished that aura despite bayer and city now being 7 years and counting at winning domestic titles using dominant money positions.
Frankly klopp has that aura as LFC fans fell over themselves when he arrive and are still fawning all over him no matter what the results may be. He hasn't tarnished it yet with one bad season and several transfer windows of less than active work to keep up with the oil dopers.
tuchel is another, had to say how quite he has the rep he has having won very little but he is very much a defensive minds coach who won't take any guff so he comes across as again the man for the job (but is still getting sacked this summer)
in many of these "top clubs" managers come and go with 18 months to 2 years life span. Its a revolving door and the steady hand with good rep is more important than the big ego and flashy rep.
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I didn't used to have a problem with Rafa, when he came in for his stint with us.
But looking back to that Europa League Final, where JT wasn't even on the bench and things JT has implied since, suggest to me that was a personal thing and nothing to do with Football and professionalism.
I work with an Everton fan who does genuinely believe Rafa causes unrest at every club he goes to. And cannot understand how the hierachy at Everton allowed Rafa to get rid of all these established staff only to sack Rafa and also to allow Rafa to sell a player to Villa not even a week before sacking him.
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there were a large cohort of people at cheslea
actively not supporting the team be it fans or players.
IMO your players had form for getting shut of manager and rafa was only ever a temp hire. I think mr terry was dropped cos he couldn't be trusted not to throw the game as you could have won the fa cup that year too. time has proved rafa dead right on that.
Your everton mate won't be wrong. rafa wants to do it the rafa way. I'm pretty sure he had his issues at LFC to grab power and liked a deal. but the evrton lads can have no say here. they stabbed him in the back before he arrived as fans, the board gave him nothing to spend at all. he was an idiot for taking the job.
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 48 seconds ago
Pep and Klopp have both been continuously adapting and tweaking their styles, the most obvious example Klopp ending the madman style and going more conservative which helped us win the two big trophies. Then Fergie is the ultimate example, 25 years of non stop adapting, thinking up of new styles to intimidate referees.
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This is where Tuchel may yet, fall short.
He's won the Champions League, which should give him some credit in the bank. But without his wingbacks he needs to find a suitable 'Plan B' to work with what he has.
Spurs matches aside, he has (IMO) been struggling to to do that.
That or it shows our back up players to be woefully inadequate.
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TT falls short with 'in game management' - fails to see the picture with subs for me....i'd like to see changes on the hour (minimum) & ideally ones to add to attacking options & or secure/improve any lead we have.
No good defending a 1 goal lead, we've shown we cant' sustain it...at least give those coming on a fair shot...8 minutes is no good for anyone..the game is gone by then...unless you are putting on defenders to shore up a game
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Pepper, this is why I do kinda fear that Tuchel might be removed sooner rather than later.
I don't believe we fluked the win in Porto, but I do think it's painted over a few cracks.
I want to see Tuchel properly backed. But the problem is: if Chilly does fully recover and re-discovers his best form (as injury can ruin a player's form) and Reece stays fit. The suitable back ups the club needs may not be willing to join, knowing they're just that..........
I still think Lukaku goes in the Summer as well. So back to Square 1.
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My issue with Tuchel is he looks mourinho lite.
When you lot played us last season we eneded up 0-1. you could have scored 5 or 6 if you tried but he was so obsessed with hoofing it at werner and defending deep that you never threatened.
its great when you are in knockouts and a clean sheet gets you through but to win games you are seeing draws after draws. Its not tuchels fault that lukaku simply doesn't suit the style.
I'd be more worried about the experts in the dark arts. Apzi (gone?) silva (36) Rudgier (gone or not?) thats the entire back line. the wing backs are all well and fine and the midfield are fine
I'm not convinced Rafa was ever cut out for the biggest jobs because of his style of play. He suited the unlikely challenger role imo. Finding ways of nullifying better sides and then beating them. It was impressive and it got Valencia the league title and Liverpool the CL but was it ever suited to being the favourites? I'm not sure he was right for imposing a style onto other teams in the way that the very biggest are expecting to do. I think he was more a manager that liked to beat the odds rather than be odds on favourite.
I think Jose was suited to the biggest jobs but at some point lost the joy. He was always arrogant and combative but he used to defend his players, create a team unity. It's a cliche but his early Chelsea teams looked like they'd run through walls for him. And he needed that because his game was about discipline, everyone doing their job as part of the team. He now seems to create disharmony whether he goes, calls players out, picks fights. It's no wonder his style won't work anymore.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 27 minutes ago
I'm not convinced Rafa was ever cut out for the biggest jobs because of his style of play. He suited the unlikely challenger role imo. Finding ways of nullifying better sides and then beating them. It was impressive and it got Valencia the league title and Liverpool the CL but was it ever suited to being the favourites? I'm not sure he was right for imposing a style onto other teams in the way that the very biggest are expecting to do. I think he was more a manager that liked to beat the odds rather than be odds on favourite.
I think Jose was suited to the biggest jobs but at some point lost the joy. He was always arrogant and combative but he used to defend his players, create a team unity. It's a cliche but his early Chelsea teams looked like they'd run through walls for him. And he needed that because his game was about discipline, everyone doing their job as part of the team. He now seems to create disharmony whether he goes, calls players out, picks fights. It's no wonder his style won't work anymore.
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maybe so, he got his rep from valencia and he has the difficult with owners tag there.
We got him, never sure on the first or second choice thing but he came in and did what you said, a very much straight jacket style play with over playing certain players and not backing others. In the end he has the same sort of arguments and G&H gave him total control of everything and he went mad with buying all sorts.
The issue for me is he largely destroyed torres and gerrard by over playing. Gerrard's career in later years was very much a stand and pass not run about all over style and torres was never the same after.
You might be right on mourinho but equally he carefully constructed a persona and it started to break down at inter with clashes and then at real he simply couldn't match pep overall in a highy competitive situation and his rep suffered and never IMO recovered.
My personal feeling on both me is they simply don't understand young kids today. Its no coincidence both men were Pre iphone. 2006.
in the past 15/16 years the world has simply changed and 21 year olds now do not take critisim at all well and esp not in public.
Mourinho's players were said to run through walls for him. The terry's and Lampard's and drogbas etc. I've not seen that said for a very very long time and certinaly not at cheslea, utd, spurs and now roma.
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posted on 27/1/22
One "elite" club hasn't won anything of note for over 30 years.
posted on 27/1/22
Well they clearly aren't now, given the levels they're managing at. Jose is at another club yearning to be back in the CL and failing by all accounts.
Rafa's last two jobs outside Asia were for clubs that have been long starved of success, where he hasn't shown any sign of progressing them.
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comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 48 seconds ago
Pep and Klopp have both been continuously adapting and tweaking their styles, the most obvious example Klopp ending the madman style and going more conservative which helped us win the two big trophies. Then Fergie is the ultimate example, 25 years of non stop adapting, thinking up of new styles to intimidate referees.
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This is where Tuchel may yet, fall short.
He's won the Champions League, which should give him some credit in the bank. But without his wingbacks he needs to find a suitable 'Plan B' to work with what he has.
Spurs matches aside, he has (IMO) been struggling to to do that.
That or it shows our back up players to be woefully inadequate.
posted on 27/1/22
Rafa guided newcastle to comfortable mid table positions in 2018-19 without spending a penny really. Would klopp or pep have done better? Everton was a bad choice for both parties
posted on 27/1/22
Every manager has a sell by date, just like a player. Pep and Klopps style might be outdated by the next 4 years where another up and coming managers might come up something new and unique...who knows.
posted on 27/1/22
You can do it for a while if you’ve managed to create a cult like following from some fans like Rafa and Mourinho did. They’ve been washed up for ages but still get decent jobs on the back of it.
posted on 27/1/22
It depends on what type of fan you are, if you are a `glory supporter` and jumped on the trophy bandwagon of the time, despite having no connection to the club, like the majority of Pool fans, then you will dine out on past achievements forever.
There are true fans who live within the area of their club, go to games and watch their team regardless.
Then you have `supporters`, who jump on the trophy bandwagon of the time, live at the other end of the country, hardly ever go to games and who will not watch match of the day when their team loses. These kind of fair weather supporters are always the first to quote trophy counts, as it is their first point of call and default fall back option.
posted on 27/1/22
Celtic at 55 years, England at 56 still dining out over one off cup wins.
So they have a long time yet.
posted on 27/1/22
All I imagine is a Wahl in a cage, with someone outside taunting him and he cannot get out to attack them. Just bringing out parts of Mourinho's body from a bag and holding them up in front of him. Then eating them and uttering things like "Mmm that tastes special". Biting off the fingers on his hand one by one, "one, two, three times", he taunts.
That's a banned wahl reading this article right now.
posted on 27/1/22
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 1 minute ago
Celtic at 55 years, England at 56 still dining out over one off cup wins.
So they have a long time yet.
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Like Rangers and their last league title in 2011?
posted on 27/1/22
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posted on 27/1/22
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 9 minutes ago
Football has moved on and Rafa and Jose are now the equivalent of Big Sam from a decade ago. With Jose it is his arrogance at refusing to think that he has to change his approach due to his past success which is the reason he now finds himself at Spurs and Roma rather than Madrid and Chelsea.
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posted on 27/1/22
Look, reputation and ability trump recently bought trophies.
Anchelotti waltzed into real madrid again because they knew he could handle the media and the pressures around that particular job.
He could easily be moved on in a year for all we know but he still got it and they are sitting unimpressively 4 points clear of seville in la liga and a country mile ahead of barca/atletico. The CL last 16 will decide v PSG.
Mourinho's problem is his reputation is not just as a serial winner but as a massive whinge bag and toy chucker so unlike anchelotti he is not seen as one who can handle it any more.
Conte is at spurs because he is seen as difficult.
Rafa benitez is not seen by anyone as an elite manager as he's had to hawk round china and the nether regions of england for many years. his time has well passed. again he did this to himself by looking difficult at valencia, LFC and inter. As a result his brief sojourns tino cheslea and real were greeted by fans who ddind't beleive he coudl do it and in the end no matter what was won or not won he was out.
Pep has the aura. Failure to win the CL has somehow not diminished that aura despite bayer and city now being 7 years and counting at winning domestic titles using dominant money positions.
Frankly klopp has that aura as LFC fans fell over themselves when he arrive and are still fawning all over him no matter what the results may be. He hasn't tarnished it yet with one bad season and several transfer windows of less than active work to keep up with the oil dopers.
tuchel is another, had to say how quite he has the rep he has having won very little but he is very much a defensive minds coach who won't take any guff so he comes across as again the man for the job (but is still getting sacked this summer)
in many of these "top clubs" managers come and go with 18 months to 2 years life span. Its a revolving door and the steady hand with good rep is more important than the big ego and flashy rep.
posted on 27/1/22
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 minutes ago
Look, reputation and ability trump recently bought trophies.
Anchelotti waltzed into real madrid again because they knew he could handle the media and the pressures around that particular job.
He could easily be moved on in a year for all we know but he still got it and they are sitting unimpressively 4 points clear of seville in la liga and a country mile ahead of barca/atletico. The CL last 16 will decide v PSG.
Mourinho's problem is his reputation is not just as a serial winner but as a massive whinge bag and toy chucker so unlike anchelotti he is not seen as one who can handle it any more.
Conte is at spurs because he is seen as difficult.
Rafa benitez is not seen by anyone as an elite manager as he's had to hawk round china and the nether regions of england for many years. his time has well passed. again he did this to himself by looking difficult at valencia, LFC and inter. As a result his brief sojourns tino cheslea and real were greeted by fans who ddind't beleive he coudl do it and in the end no matter what was won or not won he was out.
Pep has the aura. Failure to win the CL has somehow not diminished that aura despite bayer and city now being 7 years and counting at winning domestic titles using dominant money positions.
Frankly klopp has that aura as LFC fans fell over themselves when he arrive and are still fawning all over him no matter what the results may be. He hasn't tarnished it yet with one bad season and several transfer windows of less than active work to keep up with the oil dopers.
tuchel is another, had to say how quite he has the rep he has having won very little but he is very much a defensive minds coach who won't take any guff so he comes across as again the man for the job (but is still getting sacked this summer)
in many of these "top clubs" managers come and go with 18 months to 2 years life span. Its a revolving door and the steady hand with good rep is more important than the big ego and flashy rep.
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I didn't used to have a problem with Rafa, when he came in for his stint with us.
But looking back to that Europa League Final, where JT wasn't even on the bench and things JT has implied since, suggest to me that was a personal thing and nothing to do with Football and professionalism.
I work with an Everton fan who does genuinely believe Rafa causes unrest at every club he goes to. And cannot understand how the hierachy at Everton allowed Rafa to get rid of all these established staff only to sack Rafa and also to allow Rafa to sell a player to Villa not even a week before sacking him.
posted on 27/1/22
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 48 seconds ago
Pep and Klopp have both been continuously adapting and tweaking their styles, the most obvious example Klopp ending the madman style and going more conservative which helped us win the two big trophies. Then Fergie is the ultimate example, 25 years of non stop adapting, thinking up of new styles to intimidate referees.
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This is where Tuchel may yet, fall short.
He's won the Champions League, which should give him some credit in the bank. But without his wingbacks he needs to find a suitable 'Plan B' to work with what he has.
Spurs matches aside, he has (IMO) been struggling to to do that.
That or it shows our back up players to be woefully inadequate.
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TT falls short with 'in game management' - fails to see the picture with subs for me....i'd like to see changes on the hour (minimum) & ideally ones to add to attacking options & or secure/improve any lead we have.
No good defending a 1 goal lead, we've shown we cant' sustain it...at least give those coming on a fair shot...8 minutes is no good for anyone..the game is gone by then...unless you are putting on defenders to shore up a game
posted on 27/1/22
shore up a game late doors I mean...like inside the last 5 mins
posted on 27/1/22
comment by Ricardo Calder (U1734)
posted 29 minutes ago
All I imagine is a Wahl in a cage, with someone outside taunting him and he cannot get out to attack them. Just bringing out parts of Mourinho's body from a bag and holding them up in front of him. Then eating them and uttering things like "Mmm that tastes special". Biting off the fingers on his hand one by one, "one, two, three times", he taunts.
That's a banned wahl reading this article right now.
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Every once in a while Barry drops a post that reminds us what he can do if he can be bothered.
posted on 27/1/22
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 42 minutes ago
Celtic at 55 years, England at 56 still dining out over one off cup wins.
So they have a long time yet.
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This is true. Cant have an international tournament without some sort of 66 montage…
posted on 27/1/22
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 48 seconds ago
Pep and Klopp have both been continuously adapting and tweaking their styles, the most obvious example Klopp ending the madman style and going more conservative which helped us win the two big trophies. Then Fergie is the ultimate example, 25 years of non stop adapting, thinking up of new styles to intimidate referees.
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This is where Tuchel may yet, fall short.
He's won the Champions League, which should give him some credit in the bank. But without his wingbacks he needs to find a suitable 'Plan B' to work with what he has.
Spurs matches aside, he has (IMO) been struggling to to do that.
That or it shows our back up players to be woefully inadequate.
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TT falls short with 'in game management' - fails to see the picture with subs for me....i'd like to see changes on the hour (minimum) & ideally ones to add to attacking options & or secure/improve any lead we have.
No good defending a 1 goal lead, we've shown we cant' sustain it...at least give those coming on a fair shot...8 minutes is no good for anyone..the game is gone by then...unless you are putting on defenders to shore up a game
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Pepper, this is why I do kinda fear that Tuchel might be removed sooner rather than later.
I don't believe we fluked the win in Porto, but I do think it's painted over a few cracks.
I want to see Tuchel properly backed. But the problem is: if Chilly does fully recover and re-discovers his best form (as injury can ruin a player's form) and Reece stays fit. The suitable back ups the club needs may not be willing to join, knowing they're just that..........
I still think Lukaku goes in the Summer as well. So back to Square 1.
posted on 27/1/22
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 35 minutes ago
comment by moreinjuredthanowen (U9641)
posted 4 minutes ago
Look, reputation and ability trump recently bought trophies.
Anchelotti waltzed into real madrid again because they knew he could handle the media and the pressures around that particular job.
He could easily be moved on in a year for all we know but he still got it and they are sitting unimpressively 4 points clear of seville in la liga and a country mile ahead of barca/atletico. The CL last 16 will decide v PSG.
Mourinho's problem is his reputation is not just as a serial winner but as a massive whinge bag and toy chucker so unlike anchelotti he is not seen as one who can handle it any more.
Conte is at spurs because he is seen as difficult.
Rafa benitez is not seen by anyone as an elite manager as he's had to hawk round china and the nether regions of england for many years. his time has well passed. again he did this to himself by looking difficult at valencia, LFC and inter. As a result his brief sojourns tino cheslea and real were greeted by fans who ddind't beleive he coudl do it and in the end no matter what was won or not won he was out.
Pep has the aura. Failure to win the CL has somehow not diminished that aura despite bayer and city now being 7 years and counting at winning domestic titles using dominant money positions.
Frankly klopp has that aura as LFC fans fell over themselves when he arrive and are still fawning all over him no matter what the results may be. He hasn't tarnished it yet with one bad season and several transfer windows of less than active work to keep up with the oil dopers.
tuchel is another, had to say how quite he has the rep he has having won very little but he is very much a defensive minds coach who won't take any guff so he comes across as again the man for the job (but is still getting sacked this summer)
in many of these "top clubs" managers come and go with 18 months to 2 years life span. Its a revolving door and the steady hand with good rep is more important than the big ego and flashy rep.
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I didn't used to have a problem with Rafa, when he came in for his stint with us.
But looking back to that Europa League Final, where JT wasn't even on the bench and things JT has implied since, suggest to me that was a personal thing and nothing to do with Football and professionalism.
I work with an Everton fan who does genuinely believe Rafa causes unrest at every club he goes to. And cannot understand how the hierachy at Everton allowed Rafa to get rid of all these established staff only to sack Rafa and also to allow Rafa to sell a player to Villa not even a week before sacking him.
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there were a large cohort of people at cheslea
actively not supporting the team be it fans or players.
IMO your players had form for getting shut of manager and rafa was only ever a temp hire. I think mr terry was dropped cos he couldn't be trusted not to throw the game as you could have won the fa cup that year too. time has proved rafa dead right on that.
Your everton mate won't be wrong. rafa wants to do it the rafa way. I'm pretty sure he had his issues at LFC to grab power and liked a deal. but the evrton lads can have no say here. they stabbed him in the back before he arrived as fans, the board gave him nothing to spend at all. he was an idiot for taking the job.
posted on 27/1/22
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Sheriff JW Pepper (U1007)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by tcruel87 (U11882)
posted 48 seconds ago
Pep and Klopp have both been continuously adapting and tweaking their styles, the most obvious example Klopp ending the madman style and going more conservative which helped us win the two big trophies. Then Fergie is the ultimate example, 25 years of non stop adapting, thinking up of new styles to intimidate referees.
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This is where Tuchel may yet, fall short.
He's won the Champions League, which should give him some credit in the bank. But without his wingbacks he needs to find a suitable 'Plan B' to work with what he has.
Spurs matches aside, he has (IMO) been struggling to to do that.
That or it shows our back up players to be woefully inadequate.
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TT falls short with 'in game management' - fails to see the picture with subs for me....i'd like to see changes on the hour (minimum) & ideally ones to add to attacking options & or secure/improve any lead we have.
No good defending a 1 goal lead, we've shown we cant' sustain it...at least give those coming on a fair shot...8 minutes is no good for anyone..the game is gone by then...unless you are putting on defenders to shore up a game
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Pepper, this is why I do kinda fear that Tuchel might be removed sooner rather than later.
I don't believe we fluked the win in Porto, but I do think it's painted over a few cracks.
I want to see Tuchel properly backed. But the problem is: if Chilly does fully recover and re-discovers his best form (as injury can ruin a player's form) and Reece stays fit. The suitable back ups the club needs may not be willing to join, knowing they're just that..........
I still think Lukaku goes in the Summer as well. So back to Square 1.
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My issue with Tuchel is he looks mourinho lite.
When you lot played us last season we eneded up 0-1. you could have scored 5 or 6 if you tried but he was so obsessed with hoofing it at werner and defending deep that you never threatened.
its great when you are in knockouts and a clean sheet gets you through but to win games you are seeing draws after draws. Its not tuchels fault that lukaku simply doesn't suit the style.
I'd be more worried about the experts in the dark arts. Apzi (gone?) silva (36) Rudgier (gone or not?) thats the entire back line. the wing backs are all well and fine and the midfield are fine
posted on 27/1/22
I'm not convinced Rafa was ever cut out for the biggest jobs because of his style of play. He suited the unlikely challenger role imo. Finding ways of nullifying better sides and then beating them. It was impressive and it got Valencia the league title and Liverpool the CL but was it ever suited to being the favourites? I'm not sure he was right for imposing a style onto other teams in the way that the very biggest are expecting to do. I think he was more a manager that liked to beat the odds rather than be odds on favourite.
I think Jose was suited to the biggest jobs but at some point lost the joy. He was always arrogant and combative but he used to defend his players, create a team unity. It's a cliche but his early Chelsea teams looked like they'd run through walls for him. And he needed that because his game was about discipline, everyone doing their job as part of the team. He now seems to create disharmony whether he goes, calls players out, picks fights. It's no wonder his style won't work anymore.
posted on 27/1/22
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 27 minutes ago
I'm not convinced Rafa was ever cut out for the biggest jobs because of his style of play. He suited the unlikely challenger role imo. Finding ways of nullifying better sides and then beating them. It was impressive and it got Valencia the league title and Liverpool the CL but was it ever suited to being the favourites? I'm not sure he was right for imposing a style onto other teams in the way that the very biggest are expecting to do. I think he was more a manager that liked to beat the odds rather than be odds on favourite.
I think Jose was suited to the biggest jobs but at some point lost the joy. He was always arrogant and combative but he used to defend his players, create a team unity. It's a cliche but his early Chelsea teams looked like they'd run through walls for him. And he needed that because his game was about discipline, everyone doing their job as part of the team. He now seems to create disharmony whether he goes, calls players out, picks fights. It's no wonder his style won't work anymore.
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maybe so, he got his rep from valencia and he has the difficult with owners tag there.
We got him, never sure on the first or second choice thing but he came in and did what you said, a very much straight jacket style play with over playing certain players and not backing others. In the end he has the same sort of arguments and G&H gave him total control of everything and he went mad with buying all sorts.
The issue for me is he largely destroyed torres and gerrard by over playing. Gerrard's career in later years was very much a stand and pass not run about all over style and torres was never the same after.
You might be right on mourinho but equally he carefully constructed a persona and it started to break down at inter with clashes and then at real he simply couldn't match pep overall in a highy competitive situation and his rep suffered and never IMO recovered.
My personal feeling on both me is they simply don't understand young kids today. Its no coincidence both men were Pre iphone. 2006.
in the past 15/16 years the world has simply changed and 21 year olds now do not take critisim at all well and esp not in public.
Mourinho's players were said to run through walls for him. The terry's and Lampard's and drogbas etc. I've not seen that said for a very very long time and certinaly not at cheslea, utd, spurs and now roma.
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