Also, Roberto Martinez has never managed Chelsea.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 25 seconds ago
So why did you mean such about losing in the cups??
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*Moan so much...
Arteta will ultimately live or die on how the season finishes if we finish strongly while some of his decisions are highly questionable he will be somewhat vindicated. Finish poorly and he should be shown the door and would have no complaints he's been given a fair bit of money and two years to rebuild the squad we must see significant improvement otherwise we are just wasting time which is criminal when we have so many young talented players who won't stick around forever if we don't see some improvement.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also, Roberto Martinez has never managed Chelsea.
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Di Matteo...
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
At the end of the day I highly doubt Auba would've been binned had he been performing on the field.
It's the same with Arteta though, the ultra disciplinarian approach would be considered great if the team was performing. Ferguson used to have his henchmen follow players around and drag them out of parties back in the day.
The problem for Arteta, just like Auba is that our results and performances have been poor (to put it kindly) for the most part and it's hard to justify his methods so far.
Most clubs would've already sacked him a while ago
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Basically this...
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Ferguson also had the best players and best team in the league. Are you only allowed to enforce discipline if you sit at the top of the table?
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
At the end of the day I highly doubt Auba would've been binned had he been performing on the field.
It's the same with Arteta though, the ultra disciplinarian approach would be considered great if the team was performing. Ferguson used to have his henchmen follow players around and drag them out of parties back in the day.
The problem for Arteta, just like Auba is that our results and performances have been poor (to put it kindly) for the most part and it's hard to justify his methods so far.
Most clubs would've already sacked him a while ago
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Basically this...
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Ferguson also had the best players and best team in the league. Are you only allowed to enforce discipline if you sit at the top of the table?
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I don't think that's what Two Balls was saying...
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
At the end of the day I highly doubt Auba would've been binned had he been performing on the field.
It's the same with Arteta though, the ultra disciplinarian approach would be considered great if the team was performing. Ferguson used to have his henchmen follow players around and drag them out of parties back in the day.
The problem for Arteta, just like Auba is that our results and performances have been poor (to put it kindly) for the most part and it's hard to justify his methods so far.
Most clubs would've already sacked him a while ago
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Basically this...
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Ferguson also had the best players and best team in the league. Are you only allowed to enforce discipline if you sit at the top of the table?
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You're missing the point. Equally if a manager was incredibly lax with his players and let them party the night before a big game yet they kept winning and kept improving the extreme approach would be vindicated.
If Arteta's approach (which is very heavily disciplinarian) keeps taking us to 8th place finishes and produces football that's terrible to watch then he should be fired
A manager will be remembered as a failure or genius depending on results and performances especially if they're inclined to set their side up defensively (more attacking managers rightly get a little more wiggle room because entertainment is also appreciated)
We got to the semi final of the league cup this season.
Semi final of Europa last year.
To say he hasn't got us close is a bit misleading, as much as I think arteta facked it vs Villarreal.
comment by King TUt - I Need a Hiro (U3732)
posted 26 minutes ago
We got to the semi final of the league cup this season.
Semi final of Europa last year.
To say he hasn't got us close is a bit misleading, as much as I think arteta facked it vs Villarreal.
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Did we even beat anyone good in either failed cup run?
Serious question, I don't think we did which surely has to be factored in. Obviously you can only beat what's in front of you but there's still a context to things
comment by King TUt - I Need a Hiro (U3732)
posted 49 minutes ago
We got to the semi final of the league cup this season.
Semi final of Europa last year.
To say he hasn't got us close is a bit misleading, as much as I think arteta facked it vs Villarreal.
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We all know cup competitions are as much about luck as skill. As soon as we come up against a good team - or a hungry one - all bets are off. And winning brings a multiplied sense of euphoria because that result was so unexpected.
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
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Decent comments from Keown. The thing is, even if Arteta had decided enough is enough (personally I can accept that) to make it so public was pointless. It guaranteed we'd not get any fee for Auba and might well put other players off
I agree. Have to wonder why he did it?
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I agree. Have to wonder why he did it?
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Well he either just lost his cool and acted stupidly or it was a calculated decision.
I don't particularly agree but from a truly disciplinarian pov he could believe it sends out a message to the whole squad and to any potential signings - that they'll be hung out to dry if you don't tow the line.
As said all along, if Arteta delivers good results then his methods will be vindicated. So far however he's taken us nowhere and now spent an awful lot.
Things will hopefully be clearer either way come the end of the season. If we don't get fourth he should be sacked imo (we're in a good position to do so and we have nothing but the league to play for, no excuses). Only something like a rival going on a huge winning run with us just missing out would be a bit of a grey area
I see Laca is wanted by Lyon. He will be off then. He is Aubas mate and probably doesn't want to be managed by Arteta but is not going to say or do anything except run his contract down
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 6 minutes ago
I see Laca is wanted by Lyon. He will be off then. He is Aubas mate and probably doesn't want to be managed by Arteta but is not going to say or do anything except run his contract down
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It's not really in our interests to offer Lacazette a contract anyway, unless he's willing to sign something short and with pay that reflects his ability
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
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Decent comments from Keown. The thing is, even if Arteta had decided enough is enough (personally I can accept that) to make it so public was pointless. It guaranteed we'd not get any fee for Auba and might well put other players off
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This is the tension between a long term strategy and short term results. In the long term Auba and Laca will not be the future of Arsenal, so losing them is not a strategic disaster, and what Arteta and Edu have clearly done is shift the team from an ageing lineup that was expensive and getting worse over time, to a very youthful talented lineup that should improve over time (if the group of players stays the same).
However, for some reason the club doesn't seem to care that the short term performance dips as a result, and that has implications for attracting the best players in the future. Every single transfer window Arteta and Edu disappear into strategy mode and our on-pitch performance dips. If we didn't have those poor periods we'd be finishing 4th and getting champions league. The structure at the club is still wrong - someone needs to be accountable for short-term results during transfer windows. That should be Arteta, but it feels like the club are happy to let him focus on strategy and let the results drift.
Losing Auba who he signed is, as Keown says, different. Arteta convinced Arsenal to offer that big contract and to keep him, and now they've lost him early and got nothing for him. That's bad transfer business that is no-one else's fault. Now the pressure is on Arsenal's young team to perform, without a recognised striker beyond the end of the season. I think the results really matter now for the rest of the season, and Arteta's job should be on the line if he can't get us to finish significantly higher than 8th.
Strategically were we to lose Arteta though we are a much more attractive proposition for an incoming manager - a young, talented side with a lower wage bill, not too bloated squad, and theoretically significant money to invest. It would suit a Tuchel or Klopp as they wouldn't have to shift a lot of deadweight before they could get in the players they wanted.
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
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Decent comments from Keown. The thing is, even if Arteta had decided enough is enough (personally I can accept that) to make it so public was pointless. It guaranteed we'd not get any fee for Auba and might well put other players off
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This is the tension between a long term strategy and short term results. In the long term Auba and Laca will not be the future of Arsenal, so losing them is not a strategic disaster, and what Arteta and Edu have clearly done is shift the team from an ageing lineup that was expensive and getting worse over time, to a very youthful talented lineup that should improve over time (if the group of players stays the same).
However, for some reason the club doesn't seem to care that the short term performance dips as a result, and that has implications for attracting the best players in the future. Every single transfer window Arteta and Edu disappear into strategy mode and our on-pitch performance dips. If we didn't have those poor periods we'd be finishing 4th and getting champions league. The structure at the club is still wrong - someone needs to be accountable for short-term results during transfer windows. That should be Arteta, but it feels like the club are happy to let him focus on strategy and let the results drift.
Losing Auba who he signed is, as Keown says, different. Arteta convinced Arsenal to offer that big contract and to keep him, and now they've lost him early and got nothing for him. That's bad transfer business that is no-one else's fault. Now the pressure is on Arsenal's young team to perform, without a recognised striker beyond the end of the season. I think the results really matter now for the rest of the season, and Arteta's job should be on the line if he can't get us to finish significantly higher than 8th.
Strategically were we to lose Arteta though we are a much more attractive proposition for an incoming manager - a young, talented side with a lower wage bill, not too bloated squad, and theoretically significant money to invest. It would suit a Tuchel or Klopp as they wouldn't have to shift a lot of deadweight before they could get in the players they wanted.
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The long term strategy based on younger players is well and good but that lasts only so long before the better younger players lose patience if they don't see progress.
Why would Saka for example stay at Arsenal when both Man City and Liverpool are after him. A high disciplinarian approach can't be fun to work under so that can't be a deciding factor either.
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
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Decent comments from Keown. The thing is, even if Arteta had decided enough is enough (personally I can accept that) to make it so public was pointless. It guaranteed we'd not get any fee for Auba and might well put other players off
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This is the tension between a long term strategy and short term results. In the long term Auba and Laca will not be the future of Arsenal, so losing them is not a strategic disaster, and what Arteta and Edu have clearly done is shift the team from an ageing lineup that was expensive and getting worse over time, to a very youthful talented lineup that should improve over time (if the group of players stays the same).
However, for some reason the club doesn't seem to care that the short term performance dips as a result, and that has implications for attracting the best players in the future. Every single transfer window Arteta and Edu disappear into strategy mode and our on-pitch performance dips. If we didn't have those poor periods we'd be finishing 4th and getting champions league. The structure at the club is still wrong - someone needs to be accountable for short-term results during transfer windows. That should be Arteta, but it feels like the club are happy to let him focus on strategy and let the results drift.
Losing Auba who he signed is, as Keown says, different. Arteta convinced Arsenal to offer that big contract and to keep him, and now they've lost him early and got nothing for him. That's bad transfer business that is no-one else's fault. Now the pressure is on Arsenal's young team to perform, without a recognised striker beyond the end of the season. I think the results really matter now for the rest of the season, and Arteta's job should be on the line if he can't get us to finish significantly higher than 8th.
Strategically were we to lose Arteta though we are a much more attractive proposition for an incoming manager - a young, talented side with a lower wage bill, not too bloated squad, and theoretically significant money to invest. It would suit a Tuchel or Klopp as they wouldn't have to shift a lot of deadweight before they could get in the players they wanted.
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Good comment
Although I don't agree with the time during transfer windows costing us that significantly if that's what you meant (results during those periods). Under Arteta we've rarely played well, we've had periods of decent results but playing well isn't necessarily the same thing despite a very obvious overlap and I can't agree it's isolated to the windows.
The part about a trimmed down and hopefully ready to be improved squad is a positive angle on things, it'll be a tangible success of the Arteta era if he has paved the way for a top manager to come in and succeed as harsh as it'll be on Arteta himself (provided he continues to fail results wise).
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
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And you see why this is so frustrating? Well, apart from the possibility of players and targets being put off.
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
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And you see why this is so frustrating? Well, apart from the possibility of players and targets being put off.
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Also likely that selling clubs will wack astronomical fees on strikers if we come sniffing in summer. By that time we'll have zero recognised CFs (unless Martinelli can learn the position)
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
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And you see why this is so frustrating? Well, apart from the possibility of players and targets being put off.
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Also likely that selling clubs will wack astronomical fees on strikers if we come sniffing in summer. By that time we'll have zero recognised CFs (unless Martinelli can learn the position)
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Isn't a premium standard when selling to Arsenal anyway...?!
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
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And you see why this is so frustrating? Well, apart from the possibility of players and targets being put off.
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Also likely that selling clubs will wack astronomical fees on strikers if we come sniffing in summer. By that time we'll have zero recognised CFs (unless Martinelli can learn the position)
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Isn't a premium standard when selling to Arsenal anyway...?!
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A premium on top of the usual premium!
In fairness most big Prem sides will be charged a premium because the league is far richer than others
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posted on 4/2/22
Also, Roberto Martinez has never managed Chelsea.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 25 seconds ago
So why did you mean such about losing in the cups??
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*Moan so much...
posted on 4/2/22
Arteta will ultimately live or die on how the season finishes if we finish strongly while some of his decisions are highly questionable he will be somewhat vindicated. Finish poorly and he should be shown the door and would have no complaints he's been given a fair bit of money and two years to rebuild the squad we must see significant improvement otherwise we are just wasting time which is criminal when we have so many young talented players who won't stick around forever if we don't see some improvement.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 7 minutes ago
Also, Roberto Martinez has never managed Chelsea.
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Di Matteo...
posted on 4/2/22
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
At the end of the day I highly doubt Auba would've been binned had he been performing on the field.
It's the same with Arteta though, the ultra disciplinarian approach would be considered great if the team was performing. Ferguson used to have his henchmen follow players around and drag them out of parties back in the day.
The problem for Arteta, just like Auba is that our results and performances have been poor (to put it kindly) for the most part and it's hard to justify his methods so far.
Most clubs would've already sacked him a while ago
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Basically this...
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Ferguson also had the best players and best team in the league. Are you only allowed to enforce discipline if you sit at the top of the table?
posted on 4/2/22
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
At the end of the day I highly doubt Auba would've been binned had he been performing on the field.
It's the same with Arteta though, the ultra disciplinarian approach would be considered great if the team was performing. Ferguson used to have his henchmen follow players around and drag them out of parties back in the day.
The problem for Arteta, just like Auba is that our results and performances have been poor (to put it kindly) for the most part and it's hard to justify his methods so far.
Most clubs would've already sacked him a while ago
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Basically this...
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Ferguson also had the best players and best team in the league. Are you only allowed to enforce discipline if you sit at the top of the table?
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I don't think that's what Two Balls was saying...
posted on 4/2/22
comment by TheSkins (U3865)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 9 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 10 hours, 21 minutes ago
At the end of the day I highly doubt Auba would've been binned had he been performing on the field.
It's the same with Arteta though, the ultra disciplinarian approach would be considered great if the team was performing. Ferguson used to have his henchmen follow players around and drag them out of parties back in the day.
The problem for Arteta, just like Auba is that our results and performances have been poor (to put it kindly) for the most part and it's hard to justify his methods so far.
Most clubs would've already sacked him a while ago
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Basically this...
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Ferguson also had the best players and best team in the league. Are you only allowed to enforce discipline if you sit at the top of the table?
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You're missing the point. Equally if a manager was incredibly lax with his players and let them party the night before a big game yet they kept winning and kept improving the extreme approach would be vindicated.
If Arteta's approach (which is very heavily disciplinarian) keeps taking us to 8th place finishes and produces football that's terrible to watch then he should be fired
A manager will be remembered as a failure or genius depending on results and performances especially if they're inclined to set their side up defensively (more attacking managers rightly get a little more wiggle room because entertainment is also appreciated)
posted on 4/2/22
We got to the semi final of the league cup this season.
Semi final of Europa last year.
To say he hasn't got us close is a bit misleading, as much as I think arteta facked it vs Villarreal.
posted on 4/2/22
comment by King TUt - I Need a Hiro (U3732)
posted 26 minutes ago
We got to the semi final of the league cup this season.
Semi final of Europa last year.
To say he hasn't got us close is a bit misleading, as much as I think arteta facked it vs Villarreal.
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Did we even beat anyone good in either failed cup run?
Serious question, I don't think we did which surely has to be factored in. Obviously you can only beat what's in front of you but there's still a context to things
posted on 4/2/22
comment by King TUt - I Need a Hiro (U3732)
posted 49 minutes ago
We got to the semi final of the league cup this season.
Semi final of Europa last year.
To say he hasn't got us close is a bit misleading, as much as I think arteta facked it vs Villarreal.
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We all know cup competitions are as much about luck as skill. As soon as we come up against a good team - or a hungry one - all bets are off. And winning brings a multiplied sense of euphoria because that result was so unexpected.
posted on 5/2/22
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
posted on 5/2/22
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
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Decent comments from Keown. The thing is, even if Arteta had decided enough is enough (personally I can accept that) to make it so public was pointless. It guaranteed we'd not get any fee for Auba and might well put other players off
posted on 5/2/22
I agree. Have to wonder why he did it?
posted on 5/2/22
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 6 minutes ago
I agree. Have to wonder why he did it?
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Well he either just lost his cool and acted stupidly or it was a calculated decision.
I don't particularly agree but from a truly disciplinarian pov he could believe it sends out a message to the whole squad and to any potential signings - that they'll be hung out to dry if you don't tow the line.
As said all along, if Arteta delivers good results then his methods will be vindicated. So far however he's taken us nowhere and now spent an awful lot.
Things will hopefully be clearer either way come the end of the season. If we don't get fourth he should be sacked imo (we're in a good position to do so and we have nothing but the league to play for, no excuses). Only something like a rival going on a huge winning run with us just missing out would be a bit of a grey area
posted on 5/2/22
I see Laca is wanted by Lyon. He will be off then. He is Aubas mate and probably doesn't want to be managed by Arteta but is not going to say or do anything except run his contract down
posted on 5/2/22
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 6 minutes ago
I see Laca is wanted by Lyon. He will be off then. He is Aubas mate and probably doesn't want to be managed by Arteta but is not going to say or do anything except run his contract down
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It's not really in our interests to offer Lacazette a contract anyway, unless he's willing to sign something short and with pay that reflects his ability
posted on 5/2/22
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
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Decent comments from Keown. The thing is, even if Arteta had decided enough is enough (personally I can accept that) to make it so public was pointless. It guaranteed we'd not get any fee for Auba and might well put other players off
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This is the tension between a long term strategy and short term results. In the long term Auba and Laca will not be the future of Arsenal, so losing them is not a strategic disaster, and what Arteta and Edu have clearly done is shift the team from an ageing lineup that was expensive and getting worse over time, to a very youthful talented lineup that should improve over time (if the group of players stays the same).
However, for some reason the club doesn't seem to care that the short term performance dips as a result, and that has implications for attracting the best players in the future. Every single transfer window Arteta and Edu disappear into strategy mode and our on-pitch performance dips. If we didn't have those poor periods we'd be finishing 4th and getting champions league. The structure at the club is still wrong - someone needs to be accountable for short-term results during transfer windows. That should be Arteta, but it feels like the club are happy to let him focus on strategy and let the results drift.
Losing Auba who he signed is, as Keown says, different. Arteta convinced Arsenal to offer that big contract and to keep him, and now they've lost him early and got nothing for him. That's bad transfer business that is no-one else's fault. Now the pressure is on Arsenal's young team to perform, without a recognised striker beyond the end of the season. I think the results really matter now for the rest of the season, and Arteta's job should be on the line if he can't get us to finish significantly higher than 8th.
Strategically were we to lose Arteta though we are a much more attractive proposition for an incoming manager - a young, talented side with a lower wage bill, not too bloated squad, and theoretically significant money to invest. It would suit a Tuchel or Klopp as they wouldn't have to shift a lot of deadweight before they could get in the players they wanted.
posted on 5/2/22
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
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Decent comments from Keown. The thing is, even if Arteta had decided enough is enough (personally I can accept that) to make it so public was pointless. It guaranteed we'd not get any fee for Auba and might well put other players off
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This is the tension between a long term strategy and short term results. In the long term Auba and Laca will not be the future of Arsenal, so losing them is not a strategic disaster, and what Arteta and Edu have clearly done is shift the team from an ageing lineup that was expensive and getting worse over time, to a very youthful talented lineup that should improve over time (if the group of players stays the same).
However, for some reason the club doesn't seem to care that the short term performance dips as a result, and that has implications for attracting the best players in the future. Every single transfer window Arteta and Edu disappear into strategy mode and our on-pitch performance dips. If we didn't have those poor periods we'd be finishing 4th and getting champions league. The structure at the club is still wrong - someone needs to be accountable for short-term results during transfer windows. That should be Arteta, but it feels like the club are happy to let him focus on strategy and let the results drift.
Losing Auba who he signed is, as Keown says, different. Arteta convinced Arsenal to offer that big contract and to keep him, and now they've lost him early and got nothing for him. That's bad transfer business that is no-one else's fault. Now the pressure is on Arsenal's young team to perform, without a recognised striker beyond the end of the season. I think the results really matter now for the rest of the season, and Arteta's job should be on the line if he can't get us to finish significantly higher than 8th.
Strategically were we to lose Arteta though we are a much more attractive proposition for an incoming manager - a young, talented side with a lower wage bill, not too bloated squad, and theoretically significant money to invest. It would suit a Tuchel or Klopp as they wouldn't have to shift a lot of deadweight before they could get in the players they wanted.
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The long term strategy based on younger players is well and good but that lasts only so long before the better younger players lose patience if they don't see progress.
Why would Saka for example stay at Arsenal when both Man City and Liverpool are after him. A high disciplinarian approach can't be fun to work under so that can't be a deciding factor either.
posted on 5/2/22
comment by Flamini'sShirtSleeves (U8186)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 14 minutes ago
Martin Keown's take on the situation on talksport yesterday was pretty spot on.
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1489597266482581510
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Decent comments from Keown. The thing is, even if Arteta had decided enough is enough (personally I can accept that) to make it so public was pointless. It guaranteed we'd not get any fee for Auba and might well put other players off
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This is the tension between a long term strategy and short term results. In the long term Auba and Laca will not be the future of Arsenal, so losing them is not a strategic disaster, and what Arteta and Edu have clearly done is shift the team from an ageing lineup that was expensive and getting worse over time, to a very youthful talented lineup that should improve over time (if the group of players stays the same).
However, for some reason the club doesn't seem to care that the short term performance dips as a result, and that has implications for attracting the best players in the future. Every single transfer window Arteta and Edu disappear into strategy mode and our on-pitch performance dips. If we didn't have those poor periods we'd be finishing 4th and getting champions league. The structure at the club is still wrong - someone needs to be accountable for short-term results during transfer windows. That should be Arteta, but it feels like the club are happy to let him focus on strategy and let the results drift.
Losing Auba who he signed is, as Keown says, different. Arteta convinced Arsenal to offer that big contract and to keep him, and now they've lost him early and got nothing for him. That's bad transfer business that is no-one else's fault. Now the pressure is on Arsenal's young team to perform, without a recognised striker beyond the end of the season. I think the results really matter now for the rest of the season, and Arteta's job should be on the line if he can't get us to finish significantly higher than 8th.
Strategically were we to lose Arteta though we are a much more attractive proposition for an incoming manager - a young, talented side with a lower wage bill, not too bloated squad, and theoretically significant money to invest. It would suit a Tuchel or Klopp as they wouldn't have to shift a lot of deadweight before they could get in the players they wanted.
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Good comment
Although I don't agree with the time during transfer windows costing us that significantly if that's what you meant (results during those periods). Under Arteta we've rarely played well, we've had periods of decent results but playing well isn't necessarily the same thing despite a very obvious overlap and I can't agree it's isolated to the windows.
The part about a trimmed down and hopefully ready to be improved squad is a positive angle on things, it'll be a tangible success of the Arteta era if he has paved the way for a top manager to come in and succeed as harsh as it'll be on Arteta himself (provided he continues to fail results wise).
posted on 5/2/22
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
posted on 6/2/22
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
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And you see why this is so frustrating? Well, apart from the possibility of players and targets being put off.
posted on 6/2/22
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
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And you see why this is so frustrating? Well, apart from the possibility of players and targets being put off.
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Also likely that selling clubs will wack astronomical fees on strikers if we come sniffing in summer. By that time we'll have zero recognised CFs (unless Martinelli can learn the position)
posted on 6/2/22
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
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And you see why this is so frustrating? Well, apart from the possibility of players and targets being put off.
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Also likely that selling clubs will wack astronomical fees on strikers if we come sniffing in summer. By that time we'll have zero recognised CFs (unless Martinelli can learn the position)
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Isn't a premium standard when selling to Arsenal anyway...?!
posted on 6/2/22
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Maul Person (U12977)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by AMG (U22768)
posted 22 hours, 11 minutes ago
We have yo rely on Laca and Eddie Nketiah
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And you see why this is so frustrating? Well, apart from the possibility of players and targets being put off.
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Also likely that selling clubs will wack astronomical fees on strikers if we come sniffing in summer. By that time we'll have zero recognised CFs (unless Martinelli can learn the position)
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Isn't a premium standard when selling to Arsenal anyway...?!
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A premium on top of the usual premium!
In fairness most big Prem sides will be charged a premium because the league is far richer than others
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