I doubt it was chelsea fans who got the article removed. More admin done it based on the article itself. Much like this article I don’t know what type of conversation you’d like it to generate. You doing an article on a footy forum doesn’t help the Ukrainian people. Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
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You've all spent the last 2 weeks jumping to his defence. Your fans are still singing his name at matches. I'm sorry but don't pedal these BS lies.
Chelsea fans only care about Chelsea. Similar to City fans aren't bothered about the obvious shady nature of their owners. Will Newcastle fans care about the awful Saudi regime if they win the PL in the next 5-6 years? Nope.
There are no morals in football fanbases. Club colours and club success make you all look the other way.
Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich
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And what wrong doing would that be?
Appointing Avram Grant? Letting De Bruyne go?
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
I doubt it was chelsea fans who got the article removed. More admin done it based on the article itself. Much like this article I don’t know what type of conversation you’d like it to generate. You doing an article on a footy forum doesn’t help the Ukrainian people. Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
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I don't think this article will help. I'm sharing my opinion on this with fellow members of the forum. On ja606 we often talk about major events outside football (at least on the United page) and I have regularly discussed Russia over the years because it's a region of which I know very well and care about. In this case there is a tangential connection to football (though as I have written above, I really can't bring myself to care about the footballing implications of the constraints put on Chelsea, which is why I haven't posted on Robb's article below).
As for the thread that got pulled from the Chelsea board, you may be right that the Admins did it without complaints from your fellow CFC supporters. I don't have any evidence either way. However, I can tell you that the 'conversation I hoped to generate' was a consensus in support of my idea of a statement in solidarity with the people of Ukraine from grassroots Chelsea fans. Of course that doesn't on its own stop the war: to suggest that overestimates Chelsea fans' leverage on Abramovich, and Abramovich's on Putin. However, there is never one silver bullet that changes history, but thousands of smaller levers of influence. And it's my view that when there is a bit of potential leverage in a case like this, it's never a bad thing to pull that lever. I was genuinely very disappointed with the tribal, defensive response I got. I'm aware that's a very small sample that isn't representative of Chelsea fans in general, but the decent ones who are very uncomfortable with Abramovich's ownership were not present that day.
Let's not make this a general 'bash Chelsea fans' thread. The same proportion of United fans wold have enthusiastically supported him had he bought our club.
“there is never one silver bullet that changes history, but thousands of smaller levers of influence”
I like that, RR, and whole heartedly agree; is it a quote from somewhere?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 46 seconds ago
Let's not make this a general 'bash Chelsea fans' thread. The same proportion of United fans wold have enthusiastically supported him had he bought our club.
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Not everyone but yeah this isn't unique to Chelsea. Football fans are so in love with their clubs and want them to do well that most will look the other way with dodgy stuff. It's all rather sad.
The PL is to blame for all this. These dodgy oil / sports washing clubs should have been banned from the very start but they weren't. The PL have created this monster.
Russian good stuff mate. I guess it’s who you surround yourself with, most my mates, including the chelsea supporting ones are logical and likeminded.
Thing is most of us don’t know the depth of the politics and corruption but if Romans firm have been providing steel for the Russian war effort he should rightfully be punished and gone.
Having said that, I’ve been falling out of love with football and it’s exension of capitalism for years now. What makes it so high end and so competitive is the money for sure but where most thst money comes from is through unethical means. Standard chartered, nike, Roman, Saudi Arabia, where does it end
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comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 27 minutes ago
I doubt it was chelsea fans who got the article removed. More admin done it based on the article itself. Much like this article I don’t know what type of conversation you’d like it to generate. You doing an article on a footy forum doesn’t help the Ukrainian people. Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
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Do you have anything to say about the comments that you either laughed at or gave a dismissive response to without justification now that those comments have turned out to be correct?
What comments would that be?
Abramovich is a private ireali citizen. He merely fears for his life, hence he cannot speak out against putin.
The UK government still has a lot of work to do to freeze money linked to the Kremlin through other oligarchs not yet on the list.
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But not the ones who have business interests or backhanders going in their direction. They’ll be selective
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 42 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
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Indeed, but so should she for being in the most corrupt government I can think we’ve had for many a year.
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 0 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
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Hand their head in shame.
That'll do. A wee shaming.
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 42 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
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Indeed, but so should she for being in the most corrupt government I can think we’ve had for many a year.
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True.
Those in glass houses.
Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
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I have a substantial amount of money now stuck in a company suspended on LSE, I'm not happy.
If people really believe the oligarchs are going to have any influence on Russia pulling out of Ukraine they're deluded. They wouldn't have wanted an invasion in the first place.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
I have a substantial amount of money now stuck in a company suspended on LSE, I'm not happy.
If people really believe the oligarchs are going to have any influence on Russia pulling out of Ukraine they're deluded. They wouldn't have wanted an invasion in the first place.
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Rich and powerful people in Russia have connections and eventually Putin will be drinking some special tea. Or someone would walk past him with a pointy umbrella and send him to that big bareback horse ride in the sky
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 42 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
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Indeed, but so should she for being in the most corrupt government I can think we’ve had for many a year.
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Liz Truss should keep her mouth shut, she's handled the whole build up to the invasion terribly.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have a substantial amount of money now stuck in a company suspended on LSE, I'm not happy.
If people really believe the oligarchs are going to have any influence on Russia pulling out of Ukraine they're deluded. They wouldn't have wanted an invasion in the first place.
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Of course there's an influence. Their money and companies help fund and support the war. Thus sanctioning them helps, in part, to defund it.
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis πΊπ¦πΊπ¦πΊπ¦ RIP Warney π (U22716)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
I have a substantial amount of money now stuck in a company suspended on LSE, I'm not happy.
If people really believe the oligarchs are going to have any influence on Russia pulling out of Ukraine they're deluded. They wouldn't have wanted an invasion in the first place.
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Rich and powerful people in Russia have connections and eventually Putin will be drinking some special tea. Or someone would walk past him with a pointy umbrella and send him to that big bareback horse ride in the sky
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Wishful thinking, this will not happen.
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 42 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
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Indeed, but so should she for being in the most corrupt government I can think we’ve had for many a year.
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True.
Those in glass houses.
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Does that mean she is wrong
One of my friends on Twitter has suggested we all club together to buy the Glazers an Ancestry DNA kit to see if they have any Russian in them!
It’s a way of sanctioning Putin. It’s pretty well known that a lot of the assets owned by the Russians connected to Putin, are doing so on behalf of Putin. It’s estimated he’s actually a trillionaire.
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posted on 10/3/22
I doubt it was chelsea fans who got the article removed. More admin done it based on the article itself. Much like this article I don’t know what type of conversation you’d like it to generate. You doing an article on a footy forum doesn’t help the Ukrainian people. Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
posted on 10/3/22
Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
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You've all spent the last 2 weeks jumping to his defence. Your fans are still singing his name at matches. I'm sorry but don't pedal these BS lies.
Chelsea fans only care about Chelsea. Similar to City fans aren't bothered about the obvious shady nature of their owners. Will Newcastle fans care about the awful Saudi regime if they win the PL in the next 5-6 years? Nope.
There are no morals in football fanbases. Club colours and club success make you all look the other way.
posted on 10/3/22
Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich
————
And what wrong doing would that be?
Appointing Avram Grant? Letting De Bruyne go?
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 4 minutes ago
I doubt it was chelsea fans who got the article removed. More admin done it based on the article itself. Much like this article I don’t know what type of conversation you’d like it to generate. You doing an article on a footy forum doesn’t help the Ukrainian people. Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think this article will help. I'm sharing my opinion on this with fellow members of the forum. On ja606 we often talk about major events outside football (at least on the United page) and I have regularly discussed Russia over the years because it's a region of which I know very well and care about. In this case there is a tangential connection to football (though as I have written above, I really can't bring myself to care about the footballing implications of the constraints put on Chelsea, which is why I haven't posted on Robb's article below).
As for the thread that got pulled from the Chelsea board, you may be right that the Admins did it without complaints from your fellow CFC supporters. I don't have any evidence either way. However, I can tell you that the 'conversation I hoped to generate' was a consensus in support of my idea of a statement in solidarity with the people of Ukraine from grassroots Chelsea fans. Of course that doesn't on its own stop the war: to suggest that overestimates Chelsea fans' leverage on Abramovich, and Abramovich's on Putin. However, there is never one silver bullet that changes history, but thousands of smaller levers of influence. And it's my view that when there is a bit of potential leverage in a case like this, it's never a bad thing to pull that lever. I was genuinely very disappointed with the tribal, defensive response I got. I'm aware that's a very small sample that isn't representative of Chelsea fans in general, but the decent ones who are very uncomfortable with Abramovich's ownership were not present that day.
posted on 10/3/22
Let's not make this a general 'bash Chelsea fans' thread. The same proportion of United fans wold have enthusiastically supported him had he bought our club.
posted on 10/3/22
“there is never one silver bullet that changes history, but thousands of smaller levers of influence”
I like that, RR, and whole heartedly agree; is it a quote from somewhere?
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 46 seconds ago
Let's not make this a general 'bash Chelsea fans' thread. The same proportion of United fans wold have enthusiastically supported him had he bought our club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not everyone but yeah this isn't unique to Chelsea. Football fans are so in love with their clubs and want them to do well that most will look the other way with dodgy stuff. It's all rather sad.
The PL is to blame for all this. These dodgy oil / sports washing clubs should have been banned from the very start but they weren't. The PL have created this monster.
posted on 10/3/22
Russian good stuff mate. I guess it’s who you surround yourself with, most my mates, including the chelsea supporting ones are logical and likeminded.
Thing is most of us don’t know the depth of the politics and corruption but if Romans firm have been providing steel for the Russian war effort he should rightfully be punished and gone.
Having said that, I’ve been falling out of love with football and it’s exension of capitalism for years now. What makes it so high end and so competitive is the money for sure but where most thst money comes from is through unethical means. Standard chartered, nike, Roman, Saudi Arabia, where does it end
posted on 10/3/22
Latest Comments
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 27 minutes ago
I doubt it was chelsea fans who got the article removed. More admin done it based on the article itself. Much like this article I don’t know what type of conversation you’d like it to generate. You doing an article on a footy forum doesn’t help the Ukrainian people. Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
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Do you have anything to say about the comments that you either laughed at or gave a dismissive response to without justification now that those comments have turned out to be correct?
posted on 10/3/22
What comments would that be?
posted on 10/3/22
Abramovich is a private ireali citizen. He merely fears for his life, hence he cannot speak out against putin.
posted on 10/3/22
The UK government still has a lot of work to do to freeze money linked to the Kremlin through other oligarchs not yet on the list.
—-
But not the ones who have business interests or backhanders going in their direction. They’ll be selective
posted on 10/3/22
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 42 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
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Indeed, but so should she for being in the most corrupt government I can think we’ve had for many a year.
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 0 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hand their head in shame.
That'll do. A wee shaming.
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 42 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, but so should she for being in the most corrupt government I can think we’ve had for many a year.
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True.
Those in glass houses.
posted on 10/3/22
Most chelsea fans on this board have condemned any wrong doing from abramovich.
———
posted on 10/3/22
I have a substantial amount of money now stuck in a company suspended on LSE, I'm not happy.
If people really believe the oligarchs are going to have any influence on Russia pulling out of Ukraine they're deluded. They wouldn't have wanted an invasion in the first place.
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
I have a substantial amount of money now stuck in a company suspended on LSE, I'm not happy.
If people really believe the oligarchs are going to have any influence on Russia pulling out of Ukraine they're deluded. They wouldn't have wanted an invasion in the first place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rich and powerful people in Russia have connections and eventually Putin will be drinking some special tea. Or someone would walk past him with a pointy umbrella and send him to that big bareback horse ride in the sky
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 42 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, but so should she for being in the most corrupt government I can think we’ve had for many a year.
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Liz Truss should keep her mouth shut, she's handled the whole build up to the invasion terribly.
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have a substantial amount of money now stuck in a company suspended on LSE, I'm not happy.
If people really believe the oligarchs are going to have any influence on Russia pulling out of Ukraine they're deluded. They wouldn't have wanted an invasion in the first place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Of course there's an influence. Their money and companies help fund and support the war. Thus sanctioning them helps, in part, to defund it.
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Robbb Kanchelskis πΊπ¦πΊπ¦πΊπ¦ RIP Warney π (U22716)
posted 38 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 4 minutes ago
I have a substantial amount of money now stuck in a company suspended on LSE, I'm not happy.
If people really believe the oligarchs are going to have any influence on Russia pulling out of Ukraine they're deluded. They wouldn't have wanted an invasion in the first place.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Rich and powerful people in Russia have connections and eventually Putin will be drinking some special tea. Or someone would walk past him with a pointy umbrella and send him to that big bareback horse ride in the sky
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Wishful thinking, this will not happen.
posted on 10/3/22
comment by Rude Van Nist (U22799)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Roy's Keane (U11635)
posted 42 seconds ago
Foreign Secretary Liz Truss said Mr Abramovich and the other Russian oligarchs sanctioned are "complicit" in Putin's aggression.
"The blood of the Ukrainian people is on their hands. They should hang their heads in shame," she said.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Indeed, but so should she for being in the most corrupt government I can think we’ve had for many a year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
True.
Those in glass houses.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Does that mean she is wrong
posted on 10/3/22
One of my friends on Twitter has suggested we all club together to buy the Glazers an Ancestry DNA kit to see if they have any Russian in them!
posted on 10/3/22
It’s a way of sanctioning Putin. It’s pretty well known that a lot of the assets owned by the Russians connected to Putin, are doing so on behalf of Putin. It’s estimated he’s actually a trillionaire.
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