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comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
If we want to mount a serious challenge for the Prem, which is what Conte would ideally like to do, we should be in the market for a top class keeper. Two top CB's to partner Romero if Conte insists on 5 at the back.
A replacement for Royal and one of Reg or Sess sold and upgraded. And thats just in defense! Obviously never going to happen so we will be short for next season but hopefully will have a better starting team that this seasons.
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5 out of the back 6 replacedDream on man!
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Hence why I said never going to happen 🤡. We are miles behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea for that matter.
Even if we make 6 signings this summer it will only keep us around 4rd at best and 7th in the league next year.
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4th* Typed 3rd at first then realised Chelsea would strengthen in the summer too.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I think it proved the frailties of playing five at the back. If we had an extra body in midfield, there would have been more to pick out. Because they had the extra man, Bissouma was free to man mark Kane out of the game. We had a surplus of defenders just knocking the ball to each other with no options on. Such a waste of time.
When you look at the fact that Arteta normally starts with a back four but decided to go three (5) against Chelsea, it proves that flexibility could be the difference in the run in. Conte's tactics could completely undo us. Brighton have provided the blueprint. We have no individual craft so if we're found out tactically, there's no tricky player that can break the lines and move the opposition about. Under Conte, Chelsea had Hazard to get them out of similar holes and eventually the system got found out. We'll see I guess but I'll be surprised if Brentford don't study that Brighton game and follow suit.
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I do feel too much is being read into that one performance. I agree that greater flexibility needs to be built in to us and usually we see more of the defence stepping out with the ball, making that extra man further up the pitch, Romero often goes wondering, Davies frequently in the other half. That was really lacking vs BHA. 352/343 is quite a dynamic formation although it does err on the defensive.
When you compare to Villa, they pinned us back with a high aggressive press and at HT we went long and hit the spaces behind them with great effect.
vs BHA they seemed to flood the midfield and not offer so much space in behind so any attempt to go long was more effectively seen off compared to Villa. It was quite a different block to what we usually see which is often either low or a more aggressive press.
We looked short on ideas but i dont fully blame the system as it allows for the WB and CBs to step forward. We did seem too cautious in a lot of what we did and maybe the pressure of the top 4chase impacted a bit.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 15 minutes ago
I think it proved the frailties of playing five at the back. If we had an extra body in midfield, there would have been more to pick out. Because they had the extra man, Bissouma was free to man mark Kane out of the game. We had a surplus of defenders just knocking the ball to each other with no options on. Such a waste of time.
When you look at the fact that Arteta normally starts with a back four but decided to go three (5) against Chelsea, it proves that flexibility could be the difference in the run in. Conte's tactics could completely undo us. Brighton have provided the blueprint. We have no individual craft so if we're found out tactically, there's no tricky player that can break the lines and move the opposition about. Under Conte, Chelsea had Hazard to get them out of similar holes and eventually the system got found out. We'll see I guess but I'll be surprised if Brentford don't study that Brighton game and follow suit.
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I said the same thing after the Brighton game about Brentford. If they copy Brighton they will have half a chance because it is not that hard to replicate.
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Yep, it just requires discipline and hard work, which Brentford are not short of. The only way we can combat it is with craft and skill, and we don't have any, not in a creative sense. We rely on the system to find players, not individuals, which is why it's easier to set up against us.
We'll see. I guess it depends on Brentford's intentions. Brighton started without a recognised striker against us and Brentford aren't going to drop Toney. It's whether he's willing to put a shift in to outnumber us in midfield.
One thing I can't understand about the Brighton game is how they appeared to have about 15 men on the field.
I completely get their tactics which have been explained well on here and were highlighted on match of the day, basically two banks of 5, not allowing us to play long and stifling the middle of the park and our route to Kane.
But I watched the whole game, and somehow, whenever there was a loose ball in our own half, doesn't matter whether it was near the halfway line or near our own goal, they seemed to always have two men competing against our one. Take the goal - if they were playing this tight defensive stifling game, how is it they were able to have two or three men capitalising on Romero's slip pretty much in our own box? There were so many times when we just didn't seem to have any time on the ball, so if they were pressing, why weren't there the usual gaps that pressing can leave?
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
They were slow because Brighton did a number on us and there weren’t any options for the defence to pass to. Normally it would be shifted into midfield or out wide but those avenues were shut off, as was the more direct one to Kane. Brighton had a plan and executed it superbly. This is not on the defence. They were suffocated into playing that way.
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this was obvious after 5 minutes, and the instruction should have been to use long diagnals to get out... we kept doing the same thing over and over there, and got nowhere, over and over.
Conte had a very poor day tactically, and the players lacked any kind of ability to think on their feet of how to resolve.
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And sadly our players aren't intelligent to do whats right. Very robotic in tactics. Jose says sit..we sit. Nuno says sit we sit...Conte says pass to CM. We pass...and when this doesn't work we look really bereft of ideas. I guess we have sacrificed flair for functionality in a lot of our positions. Some you win some you lose I guess
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 15 minutes ago
I think it proved the frailties of playing five at the back. If we had an extra body in midfield, there would have been more to pick out. Because they had the extra man, Bissouma was free to man mark Kane out of the game. We had a surplus of defenders just knocking the ball to each other with no options on. Such a waste of time.
When you look at the fact that Arteta normally starts with a back four but decided to go three (5) against Chelsea, it proves that flexibility could be the difference in the run in. Conte's tactics could completely undo us. Brighton have provided the blueprint. We have no individual craft so if we're found out tactically, there's no tricky player that can break the lines and move the opposition about. Under Conte, Chelsea had Hazard to get them out of similar holes and eventually the system got found out. We'll see I guess but I'll be surprised if Brentford don't study that Brighton game and follow suit.
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I said the same thing after the Brighton game about Brentford. If they copy Brighton they will have half a chance because it is not that hard to replicate.
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Burnley, Southampton, Wolves and Brighton have all done this and won.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I think it proved the frailties of playing five at the back. If we had an extra body in midfield, there would have been more to pick out. Because they had the extra man, Bissouma was free to man mark Kane out of the game. We had a surplus of defenders just knocking the ball to each other with no options on. Such a waste of time.
When you look at the fact that Arteta normally starts with a back four but decided to go three (5) against Chelsea, it proves that flexibility could be the difference in the run in. Conte's tactics could completely undo us. Brighton have provided the blueprint. We have no individual craft so if we're found out tactically, there's no tricky player that can break the lines and move the opposition about. Under Conte, Chelsea had Hazard to get them out of similar holes and eventually the system got found out. We'll see I guess but I'll be surprised if Brentford don't study that Brighton game and follow suit.
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I do feel too much is being read into that one performance. I agree that greater flexibility needs to be built in to us and usually we see more of the defence stepping out with the ball, making that extra man further up the pitch, Romero often goes wondering, Davies frequently in the other half. That was really lacking vs BHA. 352/343 is quite a dynamic formation although it does err on the defensive.
When you compare to Villa, they pinned us back with a high aggressive press and at HT we went long and hit the spaces behind them with great effect.
vs BHA they seemed to flood the midfield and not offer so much space in behind so any attempt to go long was more effectively seen off compared to Villa. It was quite a different block to what we usually see which is often either low or a more aggressive press.
We looked short on ideas but i dont fully blame the system as it allows for the WB and CBs to step forward. We did seem too cautious in a lot of what we did and maybe the pressure of the top 4chase impacted a bit.
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Should Kane become the extra man in midfield when this happens? Or should this be Kulu? We definitely know Son will be wasted and lost in the midfield.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
If we want to mount a serious challenge for the Prem, which is what Conte would ideally like to do, we should be in the market for a top class keeper. Two top CB's to partner Romero if Conte insists on 5 at the back.
A replacement for Royal and one of Reg or Sess sold and upgraded. And thats just in defense! Obviously never going to happen so we will be short for next season but hopefully will have a better starting team that this seasons.
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5 out of the back 6 replacedDream on man!
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Hence why I said never going to happen 🤡. We are miles behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea for that matter.
Even if we make 6 signings this summer it will only keep us around 4rd at best and 7th in the league next year.
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6 good signings and we are above Chelsea for me. Despite all our nonsense we are 5 points behind them
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
If we want to mount a serious challenge for the Prem, which is what Conte would ideally like to do, we should be in the market for a top class keeper. Two top CB's to partner Romero if Conte insists on 5 at the back.
A replacement for Royal and one of Reg or Sess sold and upgraded. And thats just in defense! Obviously never going to happen so we will be short for next season but hopefully will have a better starting team that this seasons.
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5 out of the back 6 replacedDream on man!
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Hence why I said never going to happen 🤡. We are miles behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea for that matter.
Even if we make 6 signings this summer it will only keep us around 4rd at best and 7th in the league next year.
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6 good signings and we are above Chelsea for me. Despite all our nonsense we are 5 points behind them
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a couple first teamers and better back up and I iagree. Conte has outperformed Chelsea since his arrival. it was a 10 point gap and we were in a mess and still clearly have issues, but have halved that gap.
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posted on 22/4/22
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
If we want to mount a serious challenge for the Prem, which is what Conte would ideally like to do, we should be in the market for a top class keeper. Two top CB's to partner Romero if Conte insists on 5 at the back.
A replacement for Royal and one of Reg or Sess sold and upgraded. And thats just in defense! Obviously never going to happen so we will be short for next season but hopefully will have a better starting team that this seasons.
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5 out of the back 6 replacedDream on man!
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Hence why I said never going to happen 🤡. We are miles behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea for that matter.
Even if we make 6 signings this summer it will only keep us around 4rd at best and 7th in the league next year.
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4th* Typed 3rd at first then realised Chelsea would strengthen in the summer too.
posted on 22/4/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I think it proved the frailties of playing five at the back. If we had an extra body in midfield, there would have been more to pick out. Because they had the extra man, Bissouma was free to man mark Kane out of the game. We had a surplus of defenders just knocking the ball to each other with no options on. Such a waste of time.
When you look at the fact that Arteta normally starts with a back four but decided to go three (5) against Chelsea, it proves that flexibility could be the difference in the run in. Conte's tactics could completely undo us. Brighton have provided the blueprint. We have no individual craft so if we're found out tactically, there's no tricky player that can break the lines and move the opposition about. Under Conte, Chelsea had Hazard to get them out of similar holes and eventually the system got found out. We'll see I guess but I'll be surprised if Brentford don't study that Brighton game and follow suit.
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I do feel too much is being read into that one performance. I agree that greater flexibility needs to be built in to us and usually we see more of the defence stepping out with the ball, making that extra man further up the pitch, Romero often goes wondering, Davies frequently in the other half. That was really lacking vs BHA. 352/343 is quite a dynamic formation although it does err on the defensive.
When you compare to Villa, they pinned us back with a high aggressive press and at HT we went long and hit the spaces behind them with great effect.
vs BHA they seemed to flood the midfield and not offer so much space in behind so any attempt to go long was more effectively seen off compared to Villa. It was quite a different block to what we usually see which is often either low or a more aggressive press.
We looked short on ideas but i dont fully blame the system as it allows for the WB and CBs to step forward. We did seem too cautious in a lot of what we did and maybe the pressure of the top 4chase impacted a bit.
posted on 22/4/22
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 15 minutes ago
I think it proved the frailties of playing five at the back. If we had an extra body in midfield, there would have been more to pick out. Because they had the extra man, Bissouma was free to man mark Kane out of the game. We had a surplus of defenders just knocking the ball to each other with no options on. Such a waste of time.
When you look at the fact that Arteta normally starts with a back four but decided to go three (5) against Chelsea, it proves that flexibility could be the difference in the run in. Conte's tactics could completely undo us. Brighton have provided the blueprint. We have no individual craft so if we're found out tactically, there's no tricky player that can break the lines and move the opposition about. Under Conte, Chelsea had Hazard to get them out of similar holes and eventually the system got found out. We'll see I guess but I'll be surprised if Brentford don't study that Brighton game and follow suit.
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I said the same thing after the Brighton game about Brentford. If they copy Brighton they will have half a chance because it is not that hard to replicate.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yep, it just requires discipline and hard work, which Brentford are not short of. The only way we can combat it is with craft and skill, and we don't have any, not in a creative sense. We rely on the system to find players, not individuals, which is why it's easier to set up against us.
We'll see. I guess it depends on Brentford's intentions. Brighton started without a recognised striker against us and Brentford aren't going to drop Toney. It's whether he's willing to put a shift in to outnumber us in midfield.
posted on 22/4/22
One thing I can't understand about the Brighton game is how they appeared to have about 15 men on the field.
I completely get their tactics which have been explained well on here and were highlighted on match of the day, basically two banks of 5, not allowing us to play long and stifling the middle of the park and our route to Kane.
But I watched the whole game, and somehow, whenever there was a loose ball in our own half, doesn't matter whether it was near the halfway line or near our own goal, they seemed to always have two men competing against our one. Take the goal - if they were playing this tight defensive stifling game, how is it they were able to have two or three men capitalising on Romero's slip pretty much in our own box? There were so many times when we just didn't seem to have any time on the ball, so if they were pressing, why weren't there the usual gaps that pressing can leave?
posted on 22/4/22
comment by Chronic (U3423)
posted 7 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 minutes ago
They were slow because Brighton did a number on us and there weren’t any options for the defence to pass to. Normally it would be shifted into midfield or out wide but those avenues were shut off, as was the more direct one to Kane. Brighton had a plan and executed it superbly. This is not on the defence. They were suffocated into playing that way.
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this was obvious after 5 minutes, and the instruction should have been to use long diagnals to get out... we kept doing the same thing over and over there, and got nowhere, over and over.
Conte had a very poor day tactically, and the players lacked any kind of ability to think on their feet of how to resolve.
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And sadly our players aren't intelligent to do whats right. Very robotic in tactics. Jose says sit..we sit. Nuno says sit we sit...Conte says pass to CM. We pass...and when this doesn't work we look really bereft of ideas. I guess we have sacrificed flair for functionality in a lot of our positions. Some you win some you lose I guess
posted on 22/4/22
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 43 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 15 minutes ago
I think it proved the frailties of playing five at the back. If we had an extra body in midfield, there would have been more to pick out. Because they had the extra man, Bissouma was free to man mark Kane out of the game. We had a surplus of defenders just knocking the ball to each other with no options on. Such a waste of time.
When you look at the fact that Arteta normally starts with a back four but decided to go three (5) against Chelsea, it proves that flexibility could be the difference in the run in. Conte's tactics could completely undo us. Brighton have provided the blueprint. We have no individual craft so if we're found out tactically, there's no tricky player that can break the lines and move the opposition about. Under Conte, Chelsea had Hazard to get them out of similar holes and eventually the system got found out. We'll see I guess but I'll be surprised if Brentford don't study that Brighton game and follow suit.
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I said the same thing after the Brighton game about Brentford. If they copy Brighton they will have half a chance because it is not that hard to replicate.
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Burnley, Southampton, Wolves and Brighton have all done this and won.
posted on 22/4/22
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
I think it proved the frailties of playing five at the back. If we had an extra body in midfield, there would have been more to pick out. Because they had the extra man, Bissouma was free to man mark Kane out of the game. We had a surplus of defenders just knocking the ball to each other with no options on. Such a waste of time.
When you look at the fact that Arteta normally starts with a back four but decided to go three (5) against Chelsea, it proves that flexibility could be the difference in the run in. Conte's tactics could completely undo us. Brighton have provided the blueprint. We have no individual craft so if we're found out tactically, there's no tricky player that can break the lines and move the opposition about. Under Conte, Chelsea had Hazard to get them out of similar holes and eventually the system got found out. We'll see I guess but I'll be surprised if Brentford don't study that Brighton game and follow suit.
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I do feel too much is being read into that one performance. I agree that greater flexibility needs to be built in to us and usually we see more of the defence stepping out with the ball, making that extra man further up the pitch, Romero often goes wondering, Davies frequently in the other half. That was really lacking vs BHA. 352/343 is quite a dynamic formation although it does err on the defensive.
When you compare to Villa, they pinned us back with a high aggressive press and at HT we went long and hit the spaces behind them with great effect.
vs BHA they seemed to flood the midfield and not offer so much space in behind so any attempt to go long was more effectively seen off compared to Villa. It was quite a different block to what we usually see which is often either low or a more aggressive press.
We looked short on ideas but i dont fully blame the system as it allows for the WB and CBs to step forward. We did seem too cautious in a lot of what we did and maybe the pressure of the top 4chase impacted a bit.
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Should Kane become the extra man in midfield when this happens? Or should this be Kulu? We definitely know Son will be wasted and lost in the midfield.
posted on 22/4/22
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
If we want to mount a serious challenge for the Prem, which is what Conte would ideally like to do, we should be in the market for a top class keeper. Two top CB's to partner Romero if Conte insists on 5 at the back.
A replacement for Royal and one of Reg or Sess sold and upgraded. And thats just in defense! Obviously never going to happen so we will be short for next season but hopefully will have a better starting team that this seasons.
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5 out of the back 6 replacedDream on man!
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Hence why I said never going to happen 🤡. We are miles behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea for that matter.
Even if we make 6 signings this summer it will only keep us around 4rd at best and 7th in the league next year.
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6 good signings and we are above Chelsea for me. Despite all our nonsense we are 5 points behind them
posted on 22/4/22
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 4 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
If we want to mount a serious challenge for the Prem, which is what Conte would ideally like to do, we should be in the market for a top class keeper. Two top CB's to partner Romero if Conte insists on 5 at the back.
A replacement for Royal and one of Reg or Sess sold and upgraded. And thats just in defense! Obviously never going to happen so we will be short for next season but hopefully will have a better starting team that this seasons.
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5 out of the back 6 replacedDream on man!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Hence why I said never going to happen 🤡. We are miles behind City, Liverpool and Chelsea for that matter.
Even if we make 6 signings this summer it will only keep us around 4rd at best and 7th in the league next year.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
6 good signings and we are above Chelsea for me. Despite all our nonsense we are 5 points behind them
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a couple first teamers and better back up and I iagree. Conte has outperformed Chelsea since his arrival. it was a 10 point gap and we were in a mess and still clearly have issues, but have halved that gap.
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