comment by Robbb Strange 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 58 minutes ago
I think Klopp could do the job Pep did at City but not sure Pep could do the job Klopp did at Liverpool
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Yeah this is probably true.

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pep has a bit more longevity in terms of achievements, but there's not much in it.

Klopp is really unlikeable though, and seems to get away with murder.
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Mourinho.

comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pep has a bit more longevity in terms of achievements, but there's not much in it.

Klopp is really unlikeable though, and seems to get away with murder.
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comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pep has a bit more longevity in terms of achievements, but there's not much in it.

Klopp is really unlikeable though, and seems to get away with murder.
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Without looking, let me guess, Spurs fan?

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pep has a bit more longevity in terms of achievements, but there's not much in it.

Klopp is really unlikeable though, and seems to get away with murder.
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Just found your last sentence amusing.

comment by Luke Combs - FJB (U3979)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 7 minutes ago
Pep has a bit more longevity in terms of achievements, but there's not much in it.

Klopp is really unlikeable though, and seems to get away with murder.
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Without looking, let me guess, Spurs fan?
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Yes. A Wolves fan has also said the same in this thread.

Personally Klopp. Maybe not as revolutionary but I prefer his character. Reminds me more of Ferguson in that way.

comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 2 minutes ago

Yes. A Wolves fan has also said the same in this thread.
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Yep. I dislike the way Klopp punches down when things don't go his way. He has a record of using his position to humiliate interpretors and certain journalists whilst being deliberately obtuse.

This is ignored though, mainly because journalists like him for his eccentricity and the stories they get from him. So we have to put up with the narrative that he is this super nice guy with a heart of gold.

comment by Tamwolf (U17286)
posted 7 seconds ago
comment by Edbo (U17933)
posted 2 minutes ago

Yes. A Wolves fan has also said the same in this thread.
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Yep. I dislike the way Klopp punches down when things don't go his way. He has a record of using his position to humiliate interpretors and certain journalists whilst being deliberately obtuse.

This is ignored though, mainly because journalists like him for his eccentricity and the stories they get from him. So we have to put up with the narrative that he is this super nice guy with a heart of gold.
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Ok then

No manager has a heart of gold, gotta he a bit of a bast-rd to be a winner.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 6 minutes ago
No manager has a heart of gold, gotta he a bit of a bast-rd to be a winner.
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Not sure that's true. You can be a genuinely good person outside of football and a ruthless within the game.

Ferguson is apparently a generous and kind person but when it came to football..... There are a few like that I think.

He was still a b-stard when he needed to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS2nWn5Q7U0

Ferguson and Klopp are pretty respectful of one another as shown in this link.

I think Klopp's a decent guy. Like all managers he's a hypocrite at times but, on the whole, I could imagine him being good fun to have a beer with.

“ I could imagine him being good fun to have a beer with.”

Get the impression out for a beer with Pep and talk would be all work work work, not that it wouldn’t be fascinating. Klopp I feel would be more of a laugh and could talk about many things other than football.

comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
“ I could imagine him being good fun to have a beer with.”

Get the impression out for a beer with Pep and talk would be all work work work, not that it wouldn’t be fascinating. Klopp I feel would be more of a laugh and could talk about many things other than football.
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Pretty much. He'd probably bring up some crazy Krautrock bank he likes and get hammered!

Klopp is the better manager, but I prefer Guardiola's style football. Both absolute class acts, but Klopp has the edge I feel.

comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
“ I could imagine him being good fun to have a beer with.”

Get the impression out for a beer with Pep and talk would be all work work work, not that it wouldn’t be fascinating. Klopp I feel would be more of a laugh and could talk about many things other than football.
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Pretty much. He'd probably bring up some crazy Krautrock bank he likes and get hammered!
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He deffo knows the lyrics to every Rammstein song. Probably plays Sonne as the teams leave the changing room

comment by Robbb Strange 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
“ I could imagine him being good fun to have a beer with.”

Get the impression out for a beer with Pep and talk would be all work work work, not that it wouldn’t be fascinating. Klopp I feel would be more of a laugh and could talk about many things other than football.
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Pretty much. He'd probably bring up some crazy Krautrock bank he likes and get hammered!
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He deffo knows the lyrics to every Rammstein song. Probably plays Sonne as the teams leave the changing room
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And goes on naturist holidays in the Black Forest.

comment by Kante's Dad-Heavy Jumbo (U20563)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbb Strange 🇺🇦 🇦🇺 🇪🇸 (U22716)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by FieldsofAnfieldRd (U18971)
posted 3 minutes ago
“ I could imagine him being good fun to have a beer with.”

Get the impression out for a beer with Pep and talk would be all work work work, not that it wouldn’t be fascinating. Klopp I feel would be more of a laugh and could talk about many things other than football.
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Pretty much. He'd probably bring up some crazy Krautrock bank he likes and get hammered!
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He deffo knows the lyrics to every Rammstein song. Probably plays Sonne as the teams leave the changing room
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And goes on naturist holidays in the Black Forest.
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Lederhosen for goalposts

^^ that would actually be a good name for a band

Klopp and it’s not even close.

I suspect there's some recency bias in the chorus of preference for Klopp.

Some points I would question:

1) "Klopp is a better manager than Guardiola without best-in-league players: look what he did at Mainz, etc." Klopp did a fine job at Mainz, but obviously he didn't win the league or anything: he did things that might be compared with what Rangnick achieved at Hoffenheim. We don't have a dataset to confirm an assumption that Guardiola wouldn't seriously elevate an inferior club beyond their baseline level. It's just conjecture. Meanwhile, Klopp's major, absolutely laudable successes at Dortmund and Liverpool have not been achieved on the back of second tier players (if you compare it, for example, to the Mourinho's CL-winning Porto squad). Dortmund obviously are the second biggest club in Germany, but Klopp's BVB side contained many fabulous players whose level of achievement remained very high post-Klopp. (For balance, it also included Shinji Kagawa.) Liverpool's current squad is also seriously impressive. It may have cost less than City's but I think Liverpool fans would list plenty of players they wouldn't swap for their City counterparts.

2) "Klopp has shown he can build teams whereas Guardiola can only win with readymade world class squads." Well, we know that Klopp hasn't single-handedly recruited the players he needed. Liverpool as a club has first-rate scouting and data operations, which have delivered outstanding ROI on player acquisitions. Klopp has input in this process of course, as Guardiola does in City recruitment, but I don't think there's any substantive distinction to be made between Guardiola 'inheriting' his side and Klopp 'building' his: neither manager won stuff until they had the right players, and both of them largely relied on the backroom operations to validate which available players would meet the manager's needs, and to maximise the productivity of the available budget.

- "Guardiola is a choker" - recency bias. When Klopp came to England some rival fans (with a scarcely disguised note of desperation) pointed to Klopp's failure in finals, notably the recent CL final defeat to Bayern. Yes, Liverpool have won a CL and City haven't. City have been knocked out a few times in matches they ought to have won based on dominance and the balance of chances made/conceded. They were millimetres away from knocking out Spurs, who went on to lose to Liverpool in the final, in a match that was one of the least impressive LFC performances of their overall very impressive CL campaign. Right now Liverpool are flying, while City are playing really well with the occasional hint of vulnerability. But these relative dynamics can shift quickly. A year ago City were untouchable. With the injury crisis it was unsurprising that Liverpool didn't challenge for the title. But would we be saying Klopp is clearly better than Guardiola in the aftermath of Manchester United, managed by someone now widely acknowledged as fundamentally not up to the job of elite coaching, comfortably finished above Liverpool and it took an injury time goalkeeping header against West Brom to secure CL?

To be clear, every managerial career has ups and downs, and is shaped by a ton of circumstances out of the coach's control. I'm not arguing that Guardiola is better than Klopp. Both are extremely impressive and the contrast between their methods and cultural management is really interesting to watch.

I personally think it’s debatable. Could one have done the others respective jobs?

It’s hard to say.

Liverpool as a club has first-rate scouting and data operations, which have delivered outstanding ROI on player acquisitions

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Our player recruitment before Klopp was a lot more hit and miss...