comment by Magnum (Stopping the 2) (U22391)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Lauders - 55 time predictor champion (U9757)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Zico 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (U21900)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Lauders - 55 time predictor champion (U9757)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (Stopping the 2) (U22391)
posted 22 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Lauders - 55 time predictor champion (U9757)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Why the pallaver (a little more optimistic) (U10168)
posted 6 minutes ago
Can we please make something clear? A vote for independence is a vote for self determination, not a vote for the SNP.

It is possible to vote for independence and also remove the SNP
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Pash. It’s on their terms and I wouldn’t trust them to improve heed’s input, far less anything important
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What terms would you be happy to vote yes on?
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A sound economic argument from a party with a history of success… possibly put off by “thickos, Denmark, Norway”
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If you vote No, you can keep the ra Orange walks n nat, which is a massive thing for some, something to do with kulture, sound economic arguments be damned.
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Yeah. 55 percent of the voting public voted due to bigotry and an affection for the OO.

Tbh this makes you look bigoted, and I’m personally convinced patter like this held that movement back in 2014.

There’s decent arguments for and against, use them.
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Look at you still shoehorning 55 in at every opportunity🤣🤣🤣
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Shhhh ya grass

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9057571/alexandro-bernabei-celtic-transfer-lanus/

Not seen anything from the club.

comment by Lauders - 55 time predictor champion (U9757)
posted 8 hours, 38 minutes ago
comment by Zico 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿 (U21900)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Lauders - 55 time predictor champion (U9757)
posted 2 hours, 29 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (Stopping the 2) (U22391)
posted 22 hours, 12 minutes ago
comment by Lauders - 55 time predictor champion (U9757)
posted 2 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by Why the pallaver (a little more optimistic) (U10168)
posted 6 minutes ago
Can we please make something clear? A vote for independence is a vote for self determination, not a vote for the SNP.

It is possible to vote for independence and also remove the SNP
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Pash. It’s on their terms and I wouldn’t trust them to improve heed’s input, far less anything important
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What terms would you be happy to vote yes on?
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A sound economic argument from a party with a history of success… possibly put off by “thickos, Denmark, Norway”
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If you vote No, you can keep the ra Orange walks n nat, which is a massive thing for some, something to do with kulture, sound economic arguments be damned.
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Yeah. 55 percent of the voting public voted due to bigotry and an affection for the OO.

Tbh this makes you look bigoted, and I’m personally convinced patter like this held that movement back in 2014.

There’s decent arguments for and against, use them.
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Aye, like 'The Vow'..

or 'The SNP are stealing your penions'

One Scottish guy I know told me Scotland can't go it alone, cos all the brainy people are from England.

Others like flags, Royalty, the armed forces.

I've not got a bigoted bone in my body, but I should be bigoted as fvck due to several reasons. Bigotry and racism are a reflection of the persons lack of intelligence.

My decent argument is small countries can be successfull, and I used Norway and Denmark as examples, Norway are uber rich and Denmark's one if the happist nations on the planet.

If someone else gives me cast iron proof that Scotland would be worse off for the next 30 years, I would vote No, honestly.

The good thing is, her parents used to be staunch No voters, but now they are exactly the opposite, simply down to feeling they are being made a fool of by the Government of the UK, hopefully more Scottish pensioners start to feel the same.

p.s Get your Orange walks tae fvck

I'm struggling to feel interested in the current independence chatter, which is strange since I'm firmly in the Yes camp for a whole range of reasons. Perhaps that will change if/when the courts rule on the referendum and the actual campaigning starts. I'm just so worn down by what an utter scatshow the UK has been in the 8 years since the last independence vote that I kinda think if people are still going to vote to stay in the UK despite it all then we really deserve all we get.

i think you will have idiots who vote on their football team, i would refer to the chap trying to sell his house as a likely example of that

i think that in scotland, this is certainty unfortunately. it's about changing the minds of everyone inbetween.

I'm struggling to feel interested in the current independence chatter
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The announcement from the SG was drier than it needed to be. Why not have it on cards held up outside the parliament building by smiling, bikini-wearing lovelies? Like the round-announcer girls in boxing?

But no. PC and lefty wokeism and health and safety gone mad has killed all that for us.

Shame, as Sturgeon probably would have liked all that.

already seeing the media use things like ukraine as a reason not to look and independence, the f... has that got to do with us?

it won't happen, we'll vote no again, the overwhelming media message will sway too many.

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 9 minutes ago
I'm struggling to feel interested in the current independence chatter, which is strange since I'm firmly in the Yes camp for a whole range of reasons. Perhaps that will change if/when the courts rule on the referendum and the actual campaigning starts. I'm just so worn down by what an utter scatshow the UK has been in the 8 years since the last independence vote that I kinda think if people are still going to vote to stay in the UK despite it all then we really deserve all we get.
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feel exactly the same mate - on every point - will still vote yes but it makes me despair when I hear folk believing the pash that ‘better together’ push. Ffs when you’ve got relatively bright folk like ginger falling for it whit chance have ye got

I remember in 1978 - was 16 - and couldn’t get my head around why we voted for someone else to run our country

Independence is normal ffs

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 16 minutes ago
I'm struggling to feel interested in the current independence chatter, which is strange since I'm firmly in the Yes camp for a whole range of reasons. Perhaps that will change if/when the courts rule on the referendum and the actual campaigning starts. I'm just so worn down by what an utter scatshow the UK has been in the 8 years since the last independence vote that I kinda think if people are still going to vote to stay in the UK despite it all then we really deserve all we get.
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I struggle to understand how folk think this way given we’d have less money as an independent country. And that’s even before the hit to trade from independence, and the costs associated with separating.

if i hated the record before it was cemented with that "vow" front page with the scroll on it.

No evidence to suggest we would have less money as an independent country - another fallacy

it's a matter of trust.

i believe the NHS is in danger in the UK. i look at what scotland provides in terms to tuition, prescriptions, travel, the baby box.

i think scotland would be a far fairer country outwith the uk.

we are not a town, or a city. We are a country and countries should decide what they want, we were dragged out of the eu because england wanted it.

nobody says we need to rejoin but i'd rather be part of the eu than the uk, the trading benefits alone would be worth it.

might actually help england in that regard tbh

comment by Foddy - make mine a quadruple treble (U8028)
posted 1 minute ago
No evidence to suggest we would have less money as an independent country - another fallacy
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Na it’s common consensus from all economics for the next twenty years at least, and some think longer

Common sense tells you there will be massive costs for becoming an independent country, then obviously as we all know the hit to trade from independence would be far far worse than Brexit.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9057571/alexandro-bernabei-celtic-transfer-lanus/

Not seen anything from the club.
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Lanus have done a Kyogo on us and announced it first, often wonder is there a protocol to these things, like the buying club gets to herald the news first and the seller says see ya once confirmed.

i'd imagine the furlough bill will be a big scary story that will come out.

comment by JFK - The Rebel Treble (U8919)
posted 36 minutes ago
i'd imagine the furlough bill will be a big scary story that will come out.
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That, and Asda prices going up

asda

"we'll leave"

will you aye, ok cheery bye.

comment by GTB Cinched it (U14017)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/sport/football/9057571/alexandro-bernabei-celtic-transfer-lanus/

Not seen anything from the club.
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Lanus have done a Kyogo on us and announced it first, often wonder is there a protocol to these things, like the buying club gets to herald the news first and the seller says see ya once confirmed.
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Saw that if he waits until Thu to make it official then he'll have served his head butt suspension.

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Foddy - make mine a quadruple treble (U8028)
posted 1 minute ago
No evidence to suggest we would have less money as an independent country - another fallacy
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Na it’s common consensus from all economics for the next twenty years at least, and some think longer

Common sense tells you there will be massive costs for becoming an independent country, then obviously as we all know the hit to trade from independence would be far far worse than Brexit.
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Well various people have various interpretations and assumptions to suit their politics. If the £150-200bn of pro rata debt is shed it could be a game changer.

The problem is, like 2014, the arguments on both sides will be light on substance so people will not have unbiased fact and opinion, only the polarised versions then it is down to who you believe or trust. Unfortunately, the answer is invariably none of them.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Foddy - make mine a quadruple treble (U8028)
posted 1 minute ago
No evidence to suggest we would have less money as an independent country - another fallacy
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Na it’s common consensus from all economics for the next twenty years at least, and some think longer

Common sense tells you there will be massive costs for becoming an independent country, then obviously as we all know the hit to trade from independence would be far far worse than Brexit.
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Well various people have various interpretations and assumptions to suit their politics. If the £150-200bn of pro rata debt is shed it could be a game changer.

The problem is, like 2014, the arguments on both sides will be light on substance so people will not have unbiased fact and opinion, only the polarised versions then it is down to who you believe or trust. Unfortunately, the answer is invariably none of them.
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The chance of us negotiating to leave the UK having no debt is unrealistic. And s the answer if we do simply wrack up debt?

There’s not a problem for the remain UK side. It’s the independence side that doesn’t have answers.

Trade would obviously take a hit, costs to go independent, currency unknown, lender of last resort unknown, financial services would take a hit, could we join EU and how many years would that take.

It’s got nothing to do with politics, plenty research out there, quite clearly the government would have less money in the years after independence and health, education etc would deteriorate further.

comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 14 minutes ago
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)
posted 1 hour, 6 minutes ago
comment by Foddy - make mine a quadruple treble (U8028)
posted 1 minute ago
No evidence to suggest we would have less money as an independent country - another fallacy
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Na it’s common consensus from all economics for the next twenty years at least, and some think longer

Common sense tells you there will be massive costs for becoming an independent country, then obviously as we all know the hit to trade from independence would be far far worse than Brexit.
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Well various people have various interpretations and assumptions to suit their politics. If the £150-200bn of pro rata debt is shed it could be a game changer.

The problem is, like 2014, the arguments on both sides will be light on substance so people will not have unbiased fact and opinion, only the polarised versions then it is down to who you believe or trust. Unfortunately, the answer is invariably none of them.
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The chance of us negotiating to leave the UK having no debt is unrealistic. And s the answer if we do simply wrack up debt?

There’s not a problem for the remain UK side. It’s the independence side that doesn’t have answers.

Trade would obviously take a hit, costs to go independent, currency unknown, lender of last resort unknown, financial services would take a hit, could we join EU and how many years would that take.

It’s got nothing to do with politics, plenty research out there, quite clearly the government would have less money in the years after independence and health, education etc would deteriorate further.
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Get an NI protocol in, its working brilliant for us despite what the UK Gov are saying 👍

The chance of us negotiating to leave the UK having no debt is unrealistic.
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What they gonna do - invade us?

Again.

Give us our share of the assets or fck off.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 44 minutes ago
The chance of us negotiating to leave the UK having no debt is unrealistic.
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What they gonna do - invade us?

Again.

Give us our share of the assets or fck off.
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Its a weird thing being an independent country when you have a belligerent country ten times your population hanging off your ar$e.

I've heard.

And 400.