I’m looking forward to seeing if he can improve some players in the squad, after all that’s a big part of any managers job to get the most out of what we already have.
I wouldn’t lump Sancho in with Rashford and Martial either, it was his first season and not really an ideal one.
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Sancho for sure.
Rashford maybe.
Martial is a lost cause
Rashford’s issue doesn’t seem to be simply about coaching, mentally the lad has struggled and it may not be something EtH can help with as he isn’t a miracle worker. However maybe the new manager and sensing some kind of positive change at the club is what Rashford needs.
Sancho’s only been at the club a year, often takes a while for players to settle in and I don’t see why we shouldn’t see improvements this season.
Not sure what he can do with Martial, he’s simply not progressed in the 7 years he’s been here which is hugely disappointing. While the environment at the club hasn’t helped the main issue has always seemed to be his own mentality and again I don’t think there’s much EtH can do about that.
I’m interested to see what happens with Bruno, Maguire, VdB, Fred, McTomminay and Lindelof too as I think they all have room for improvements with some actual coaching for once.
Can’t really speak for the kids because I don’t really watch them but hopefully there are some EtH likes the look of.
There's certainly room for improvement in the players. No doubt about that. How ETH manages that will be key.
If we add some good signings then that may spark a few underachievers. Who knows? I just want to be able to look forward to United games again!
I think United are banking on ETH's apparent ability of being able to get better tunes out of talented players will be applied to the current squad players who will be remaining beyond this summer. (Many who have already been 'written off' by some United fans). Which is probably why they went for him over Potch in the end. I also think that ETH thinks that he can too. He has already spoken in the media about the obvious 'talent' in the squad as United still finished 2nd just over 12 months ago.
So we shall see in time if he really has magical dust to sprinkle over these underperforming players. Or if he like Ralf, turns out to be another fraud.
I think Ralf was right in his analysis that wholesale changes were needed but the Glazers have chosen the cheap option.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 50 minutes ago
Rashford’s issue doesn’t seem to be simply about coaching, mentally the lad has struggled and it may not be something EtH can help with as he isn’t a miracle worker. However maybe the new manager and sensing some kind of positive change at the club is what Rashford needs.
Sancho’s only been at the club a year, often takes a while for players to settle in and I don’t see why we shouldn’t see improvements this season.
Not sure what he can do with Martial, he’s simply not progressed in the 7 years he’s been here which is hugely disappointing. While the environment at the club hasn’t helped the main issue has always seemed to be his own mentality and again I don’t think there’s much EtH can do about that.
I’m interested to see what happens with Bruno, Maguire, VdB, Fred, McTomminay and Lindelof too as I think they all have room for improvements with some actual coaching for once.
Can’t really speak for the kids because I don’t really watch them but hopefully there are some EtH likes the look of.
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The Rashford one is complicated as the player is still there. Just needs to get over the mental block.
Martial I agree has been a great disappointment after he burst onto the scene.
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think Ralf was right in his analysis that wholesale changes were needed but the Glazers have chosen the cheap option.
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You cannot replace 9 players in one season. Just does not make any sense
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think Ralf was right in his analysis that wholesale changes were needed but the Glazers have chosen the cheap option.
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You cannot replace 9 players in one season. Just does not make any sense
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which is why Nohlman thinks its a great idea
Even a manager with impressive skills in improving and developing individuals will not succeed with every player, so I'm sure there will be some who don't make it. It's hard to predict which ones will / won't.
E.g. with Rashford it kind of depends to what degree his regression is down to years of poor coaching, playing far too much while injured, and psychological issues. Is it too late to rewire his footballing brain? After not playing so regularly under Rangnick and a holiday without England duty, is he going to be physically in better shape? Can Ten Hag's coaching and man management give him new clarity and renewed self-confidence? We have seen Rashford play penetrative, skilful football at pace in the past, and I believe if he returns to that level, contrary what I assume 'filtered' is saying, he will be an asset to the club.
More generally, I think we see that whenever a manager gets a team playing with a strong collective understanding of what they are supposed to be doing, how their roles and movements fit into the tactical plan as a whole, that elevates the performances of all the players. That's to say that it's not just down to working individually with players to make them better. The catastrophe over the last season was as much a collective drop in confidence as an issue with individual performance levels.
I've said a few times that i think AWB is gonna have a great season... absolutely based on nothing, zero insight into why he might work in ETH's system.
After not playing so regularly under Rangnick and a holiday without England duty, is he going to be physically in better shape?
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This is my main hope with Rashford. New manager, new start and hopefully he’s rested physically. Somewhat arbitrarily, I feel like he’s key to this season - if Ten Hag does well, Rashford will do well and we’ll improve considerably.
Yeah, hopefully a proper full pre season can really benefit everyone. When was the last time we even had one with Covid and international tournaments?
With the World cup around the corner, it might provide extra incentive for some players.
Martial I think has had his chance, possibly shop window for him.
Hoping Marcus rediscovers his form under a new set-up. Sancho not worried about.
Donny given his past relationship with EtH will not get a better chance to show he's up to the level required.
Varane needs to stay fit.
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 38 minutes ago
With the World cup around the corner, it might provide extra incentive for some players.
Martial I think has had his chance, possibly shop window for him.
Hoping Marcus rediscovers his form under a new set-up. Sancho not worried about.
Donny given his past relationship with EtH will not get a better chance to show he's up to the level required.
Varane needs to stay fit.
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Fack the World Cup.
Rashford shouldn’t have been with England last summer. He should have been getting his shoulder operation done as early as possible, and then resting and recuperating properly before resuming training.
Instead, he went to sit on the bench with England and get racially abused by the facking meatheads that follow the national team, and then had to rush back after his op.
He wasn’t ready to resume training, his head was facked up, and it shouldn’t have been a great surprise to anyone that he had a mare of a season.
We might think that about the WC but we know every player will be desperate to go including Rashford. Gonna be interesting to see what effect the winter WC will have on performances and results in club football.
With Rashford, I can't help but think it's the back and shoulder injuries that have done him in. I read his face and see pain. I think sometimes we just expect that surgery will be 100% successful because so often it is.
comment by Ralf's Shrugging Shoulders (U13341)
posted 3 minutes ago
With Rashford, I can't help but think it's the back and shoulder injuries that have done him in. I read his face and see pain. I think sometimes we just expect that surgery will be 100% successful because so often it is.
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Shoulder injuries can be an absolute baaastard. Even muscular tear injuries like his end a lot of sportspeople’s careers.
People also forget that the season before that he had a double stress fracture in his back which kept him out for months.
We have no idea what he played through the season before last and the long term damage that might have caused, or how his body is holding up now.
There is most certainly a lot more to come from this batch of players. Nearly all of them quite literally downed tools from late December onwards last season.
I look forward to what he can do with Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Amad, Pellestri.
Historically, attacking players (at least at utd) usually have good 1st season. The reason imo is because defenders and opposition have not yet figured out how to deal with them. It is the 2nd season that usually defines an attacker after the opposition know the players tricks and weaknesses.
my concern with Sancho was that it appeared it took less than a month for opposition players to figure him out and negate his threat.
The only excuse for his poor 1st team is that the entire team was a shamble but then you would have to make same allowance for the other attacking players.
my concern with Sancho was that it appeared it took less than a month for opposition players to figure him out and negate his threat.
...............
Not saying much but he was probably one of our better players for the second half of the season.
Sancho isn't a player who has one or two specialities which, when studied, can be nullified. He's a clever and technically accomplished footballer who thrives in a system that has intelligent movement around him. He didn't have much chance to orchestrate moves or pick out passes in last season's shambles.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sancho isn't a player who has one or two specialities which, when studied, can be nullified. He's a clever and technically accomplished footballer who thrives in a system that has intelligent movement around him. He didn't have much chance to orchestrate moves or pick out passes in last season's shambles.
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If you watch Shinji's video the drill they are doing at the three minute mark is designed specifically to orchestrate pass and move and talking to each other.
One of the teams I played for in the 80's used to do it in training and as our warm up before a match.
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posted on 30/6/22
I’m looking forward to seeing if he can improve some players in the squad, after all that’s a big part of any managers job to get the most out of what we already have.
I wouldn’t lump Sancho in with Rashford and Martial either, it was his first season and not really an ideal one.
posted on 30/6/22
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posted on 30/6/22
Sancho for sure.
Rashford maybe.
Martial is a lost cause
posted on 30/6/22
Rashford’s issue doesn’t seem to be simply about coaching, mentally the lad has struggled and it may not be something EtH can help with as he isn’t a miracle worker. However maybe the new manager and sensing some kind of positive change at the club is what Rashford needs.
Sancho’s only been at the club a year, often takes a while for players to settle in and I don’t see why we shouldn’t see improvements this season.
Not sure what he can do with Martial, he’s simply not progressed in the 7 years he’s been here which is hugely disappointing. While the environment at the club hasn’t helped the main issue has always seemed to be his own mentality and again I don’t think there’s much EtH can do about that.
I’m interested to see what happens with Bruno, Maguire, VdB, Fred, McTomminay and Lindelof too as I think they all have room for improvements with some actual coaching for once.
Can’t really speak for the kids because I don’t really watch them but hopefully there are some EtH likes the look of.
posted on 30/6/22
There's certainly room for improvement in the players. No doubt about that. How ETH manages that will be key.
If we add some good signings then that may spark a few underachievers. Who knows? I just want to be able to look forward to United games again!
posted on 30/6/22
I think United are banking on ETH's apparent ability of being able to get better tunes out of talented players will be applied to the current squad players who will be remaining beyond this summer. (Many who have already been 'written off' by some United fans). Which is probably why they went for him over Potch in the end. I also think that ETH thinks that he can too. He has already spoken in the media about the obvious 'talent' in the squad as United still finished 2nd just over 12 months ago.
So we shall see in time if he really has magical dust to sprinkle over these underperforming players. Or if he like Ralf, turns out to be another fraud.
posted on 30/6/22
I think Ralf was right in his analysis that wholesale changes were needed but the Glazers have chosen the cheap option.
posted on 30/6/22
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 50 minutes ago
Rashford’s issue doesn’t seem to be simply about coaching, mentally the lad has struggled and it may not be something EtH can help with as he isn’t a miracle worker. However maybe the new manager and sensing some kind of positive change at the club is what Rashford needs.
Sancho’s only been at the club a year, often takes a while for players to settle in and I don’t see why we shouldn’t see improvements this season.
Not sure what he can do with Martial, he’s simply not progressed in the 7 years he’s been here which is hugely disappointing. While the environment at the club hasn’t helped the main issue has always seemed to be his own mentality and again I don’t think there’s much EtH can do about that.
I’m interested to see what happens with Bruno, Maguire, VdB, Fred, McTomminay and Lindelof too as I think they all have room for improvements with some actual coaching for once.
Can’t really speak for the kids because I don’t really watch them but hopefully there are some EtH likes the look of.
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The Rashford one is complicated as the player is still there. Just needs to get over the mental block.
Martial I agree has been a great disappointment after he burst onto the scene.
posted on 30/6/22
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think Ralf was right in his analysis that wholesale changes were needed but the Glazers have chosen the cheap option.
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You cannot replace 9 players in one season. Just does not make any sense
posted on 30/6/22
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think Ralf was right in his analysis that wholesale changes were needed but the Glazers have chosen the cheap option.
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You cannot replace 9 players in one season. Just does not make any sense
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which is why Nohlman thinks its a great idea
posted on 30/6/22
Even a manager with impressive skills in improving and developing individuals will not succeed with every player, so I'm sure there will be some who don't make it. It's hard to predict which ones will / won't.
E.g. with Rashford it kind of depends to what degree his regression is down to years of poor coaching, playing far too much while injured, and psychological issues. Is it too late to rewire his footballing brain? After not playing so regularly under Rangnick and a holiday without England duty, is he going to be physically in better shape? Can Ten Hag's coaching and man management give him new clarity and renewed self-confidence? We have seen Rashford play penetrative, skilful football at pace in the past, and I believe if he returns to that level, contrary what I assume 'filtered' is saying, he will be an asset to the club.
More generally, I think we see that whenever a manager gets a team playing with a strong collective understanding of what they are supposed to be doing, how their roles and movements fit into the tactical plan as a whole, that elevates the performances of all the players. That's to say that it's not just down to working individually with players to make them better. The catastrophe over the last season was as much a collective drop in confidence as an issue with individual performance levels.
posted on 30/6/22
I've said a few times that i think AWB is gonna have a great season... absolutely based on nothing, zero insight into why he might work in ETH's system.
posted on 30/6/22
After not playing so regularly under Rangnick and a holiday without England duty, is he going to be physically in better shape?
—————
This is my main hope with Rashford. New manager, new start and hopefully he’s rested physically. Somewhat arbitrarily, I feel like he’s key to this season - if Ten Hag does well, Rashford will do well and we’ll improve considerably.
posted on 30/6/22
Yeah, hopefully a proper full pre season can really benefit everyone. When was the last time we even had one with Covid and international tournaments?
posted on 30/6/22
With the World cup around the corner, it might provide extra incentive for some players.
Martial I think has had his chance, possibly shop window for him.
Hoping Marcus rediscovers his form under a new set-up. Sancho not worried about.
Donny given his past relationship with EtH will not get a better chance to show he's up to the level required.
Varane needs to stay fit.
posted on 30/6/22
comment by Eagle Fang (U9028)
posted 38 minutes ago
With the World cup around the corner, it might provide extra incentive for some players.
Martial I think has had his chance, possibly shop window for him.
Hoping Marcus rediscovers his form under a new set-up. Sancho not worried about.
Donny given his past relationship with EtH will not get a better chance to show he's up to the level required.
Varane needs to stay fit.
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Fack the World Cup.
Rashford shouldn’t have been with England last summer. He should have been getting his shoulder operation done as early as possible, and then resting and recuperating properly before resuming training.
Instead, he went to sit on the bench with England and get racially abused by the facking meatheads that follow the national team, and then had to rush back after his op.
He wasn’t ready to resume training, his head was facked up, and it shouldn’t have been a great surprise to anyone that he had a mare of a season.
posted on 30/6/22
We might think that about the WC but we know every player will be desperate to go including Rashford. Gonna be interesting to see what effect the winter WC will have on performances and results in club football.
posted on 30/6/22
With Rashford, I can't help but think it's the back and shoulder injuries that have done him in. I read his face and see pain. I think sometimes we just expect that surgery will be 100% successful because so often it is.
posted on 30/6/22
comment by Ralf's Shrugging Shoulders (U13341)
posted 3 minutes ago
With Rashford, I can't help but think it's the back and shoulder injuries that have done him in. I read his face and see pain. I think sometimes we just expect that surgery will be 100% successful because so often it is.
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Shoulder injuries can be an absolute baaastard. Even muscular tear injuries like his end a lot of sportspeople’s careers.
People also forget that the season before that he had a double stress fracture in his back which kept him out for months.
We have no idea what he played through the season before last and the long term damage that might have caused, or how his body is holding up now.
posted on 30/6/22
There is most certainly a lot more to come from this batch of players. Nearly all of them quite literally downed tools from late December onwards last season.
posted on 30/6/22
I look forward to what he can do with Sancho, Rashford, Greenwood, Amad, Pellestri.
posted on 30/6/22
Historically, attacking players (at least at utd) usually have good 1st season. The reason imo is because defenders and opposition have not yet figured out how to deal with them. It is the 2nd season that usually defines an attacker after the opposition know the players tricks and weaknesses.
my concern with Sancho was that it appeared it took less than a month for opposition players to figure him out and negate his threat.
The only excuse for his poor 1st team is that the entire team was a shamble but then you would have to make same allowance for the other attacking players.
posted on 30/6/22
my concern with Sancho was that it appeared it took less than a month for opposition players to figure him out and negate his threat.
...............
Not saying much but he was probably one of our better players for the second half of the season.
posted on 30/6/22
Sancho isn't a player who has one or two specialities which, when studied, can be nullified. He's a clever and technically accomplished footballer who thrives in a system that has intelligent movement around him. He didn't have much chance to orchestrate moves or pick out passes in last season's shambles.
posted on 30/6/22
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
Sancho isn't a player who has one or two specialities which, when studied, can be nullified. He's a clever and technically accomplished footballer who thrives in a system that has intelligent movement around him. He didn't have much chance to orchestrate moves or pick out passes in last season's shambles.
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If you watch Shinji's video the drill they are doing at the three minute mark is designed specifically to orchestrate pass and move and talking to each other.
One of the teams I played for in the 80's used to do it in training and as our warm up before a match.
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