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comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 seconds ago

I quite like Abraham, good all rounder, I'd like to think we can do better though.
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There doesn't seem to be many top quality strikers out there, sadly... I'd hope someone like Abraham could be a Saha type, chipping in with goals, but also creating a more fluid, cohesive foward line.
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Probably the type of player we need.

My biggest worry with Ronnie leaving is where do the goals come from?

Bruno is our only other recognised goal scorer. I've no faith that Martial or Rashford are the solution up front, but would be happy to be proven wrong.

posted on 4/7/22

Dybala is going to Inter.

Toney fits the Haller bill.

Calvert-Lewin is a hype machine he's just not very good. Belotti on a free would be a big step up for him but better than gambling 50m+ on DLC.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 27 seconds ago

I quite like Abraham, good all rounder, I'd like to think we can do better though.
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There doesn't seem to be many top quality strikers out there, sadly... I'd hope someone like Abraham could be a Saha type, chipping in with goals, but also creating a more fluid, cohesive foward line.
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I've only watched Roma 4-5 times this season but Abraham was generally impressive. From what I've read, he's showing the toolkit of the 'complete modern centre forward'. Not prolific in terms of goals scored, but very creditable for a debut season in Serie A. I'd imagine it would be hard to prise him away from Roma after just one season: the price would be prohibitive, and not unlikely he feels he can develop faster as a player as the main man at Roma for at least another season.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I like the lad at Chelsea who was loaned to Southampton. Broja.

I reckon ETH could make him a proper world class number 9 given what he did for Haller.

Whether Chelsea would sell him to us is another thing though.
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We could make it a condition of the Ronaldo to Chelsea sale!

I don't know that much about Broja but he looked excellent whenever I saw him play.

comment by Elvis (U7425)

posted on 4/7/22

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 20 minutes ago
To be losing a player capable of giving you 25-30 goals because this team is not up to it should be sending alarm bells around OT. I am so happy this guy came back and now demanding to leave. Some idiots here will have you believe this is for the greater good of this club, waffling about ego.

Top players that win top trophies have big egos. The likes of Benzema, Lewa and Salah winning trophies. They win trophies because they are coached by competent managers and play for competent teams, but united failing is apparently because of the serial winner Ronaldo supported by Mctominay, AWB and the likes of Maguire. You just have to laugh
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Ralf couldn't get the team to press with Ronaldo in it. ETH won't be able to either. There is no real point in keeping him for one season and ETH having to either change his tactics, or marginalise Ronaldo to play how he wants to play - which will just cause a circus. Best for all if he leaves.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 58 seconds ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
I like the lad at Chelsea who was loaned to Southampton. Broja.

I reckon ETH could make him a proper world class number 9 given what he did for Haller.

Whether Chelsea would sell him to us is another thing though.
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We could make it a condition of the Ronaldo to Chelsea sale!

I don't know that much about Broja but he looked excellent whenever I saw him play.
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Broja is a project though. He's not ready made. Will our fans accept this and give him time to develop? Probably not.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
19 seasons straight playing champions league football, ends up at united and relegated to Europa.
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Yet the team finished comfortably in the CL spots twice without him.

It's a weird one. Ronaldo is obviously a superstar and one of the greatest of all time but things definitely changed when he came back. We became the Ronaldo roadshow.
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But we also ended up in Europa without him. Please let's put some context in that season Liverpool lost VVD.

posted on 4/7/22

If the Glazers and the marketing department let Ronaldo go only on condition of replacing him with a statement signing - a big name, expensive forward who fits ETH's pressing style and a proven goal scorer, in his prime - then I think we could do worse than Lautaro Martinez.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 20 minutes ago
To be losing a player capable of giving you 25-30 goals because this team is not up to it should be sending alarm bells around OT. I am so happy this guy came back and now demanding to leave. Some idiots here will have you believe this is for the greater good of this club, waffling about ego.

Top players that win top trophies have big egos. The likes of Benzema, Lewa and Salah winning trophies. They win trophies because they are coached by competent managers and play for competent teams, but united failing is apparently because of the serial winner Ronaldo supported by Mctominay, AWB and the likes of Maguire. You just have to laugh
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Ralf couldn't get the team to press with Ronaldo in it. ETH won't be able to either. There is no real point in keeping him for one season and ETH having to either change his tactics, or marginalise Ronaldo to play how he wants to play - which will just cause a circus. Best for all if he leaves.
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Correction, Ralph is a poor manager!! Whilst some prima donnas gave up and questioning his ability as a coach, the one person that kept playing and bailing out a poor poor coach at most times was Ronaldo.

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 20 minutes ago
To be losing a player capable of giving you 25-30 goals because this team is not up to it should be sending alarm bells around OT. I am so happy this guy came back and now demanding to leave. Some idiots here will have you believe this is for the greater good of this club, waffling about ego.

Top players that win top trophies have big egos. The likes of Benzema, Lewa and Salah winning trophies. They win trophies because they are coached by competent managers and play for competent teams, but united failing is apparently because of the serial winner Ronaldo supported by Mctominay, AWB and the likes of Maguire. You just have to laugh
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Ralf couldn't get the team to press with Ronaldo in it. ETH won't be able to either. There is no real point in keeping him for one season and ETH having to either change his tactics, or marginalise Ronaldo to play how he wants to play - which will just cause a circus. Best for all if he leaves.
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Ralf couldn’t get the team to press because they were not willing, no fit enough or not coached well enough to do so effectively.

There were plenty of examples of Ronaldo working hard and pressing, chasing up front.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago

Broja is a project though. He's not ready made. Will our fans accept this and give him time to develop? Probably not.
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I have no idea whether he's a sensible target. Happy for the management to make that call. I'm not too bothered by what the fans want though. Most of them were delighted to see Ronaldo sign.

posted on 4/7/22

Question, scholay.

Do you want us to force Ronaldo to stay?

You seem to have a lot of pent up anger for those of us that don't really want to keep a player who wants out, but the only other option is to force him to stay, which doesn't seem ideal for anyone concerned.

posted on 4/7/22

Outside of the big names, the two most prolific and consistent goals scorers in Europe are Immobile & Ben Yedder. Neither would represent a long term approach as both are the wrong side of 30. There's also Dembele, but something seems to be putting bigger teams off going in for him it would seem.

Then we have the 'breakout' players from last season. The likes of Nkunku (who it seems played mostly a CF last season), Schick, Scamacca, Abraham. These players come with a little extra risk of course.

Having watched Nkunku score with every shot he took in a YT video I've just watched, I reckon he's the one.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
19 seasons straight playing champions league football, ends up at united and relegated to Europa.
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Yet the team finished comfortably in the CL spots twice without him.

It's a weird one. Ronaldo is obviously a superstar and one of the greatest of all time but things definitely changed when he came back. We became the Ronaldo roadshow.
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But we also ended up in Europa without him. Please let's put some context in that season Liverpool lost VVD.
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We would have still qualified for the CL if they had not.

So that is context applied.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
If the Glazers and the marketing department let Ronaldo go only on condition of replacing him with a statement signing - a big name, expensive forward who fits ETH's pressing style and a proven goal scorer, in his prime - then I think we could do worse than Lautaro Martinez.
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He's the standout 'on paper' option in world football, but that rather begs the question... Why would he want to come to us right now? He's already won a few trophies with Inter, has a great chance to continue to do so and play CL football regularly. He'd be brilliant though.

posted on 4/7/22

Berbaking, lots of reasons why Martinez might not be a viable deal. I think it would require throwing a lot of money at both Inter and the player. That would seem to be contrary to our plans for this summer, which is why I can only really see it as a transfer facilitated by the marketing spreadsheets.

posted on 4/7/22

I wouldn't be surprised if money became available for a striker. The club probably thought they had another year with Ronaldo, but will have budgeted for a striker next summer, for sure.

posted on 4/7/22

Well, assuming some levels of competence have finally been reached

comment by Busby (U19985)

posted on 4/7/22

Weren't we in for Nunez?

Ronaldos wages would go pretty far too.

posted on 4/7/22

Aren’t Inter desperate for money and need to sell? Not that I’m saying we should be going for Martinez but knowing they’re desperate (a bit like Barca) could help us if we are interested.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Elvis: King of Cult (U7425)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 20 minutes ago
To be losing a player capable of giving you 25-30 goals because this team is not up to it should be sending alarm bells around OT. I am so happy this guy came back and now demanding to leave. Some idiots here will have you believe this is for the greater good of this club, waffling about ego.

Top players that win top trophies have big egos. The likes of Benzema, Lewa and Salah winning trophies. They win trophies because they are coached by competent managers and play for competent teams, but united failing is apparently because of the serial winner Ronaldo supported by Mctominay, AWB and the likes of Maguire. You just have to laugh
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Ralf couldn't get the team to press with Ronaldo in it. ETH won't be able to either. There is no real point in keeping him for one season and ETH having to either change his tactics, or marginalise Ronaldo to play how he wants to play - which will just cause a circus. Best for all if he leaves.
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Ralf couldn’t get the team to press because they were not willing, no fit enough or not coached well enough to do so effectively.

There were plenty of examples of Ronaldo working hard and pressing, chasing up front.
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It is bewildering the attention placed on this lack of pressing. Heck put Mctominay up front he will press alright

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin - It's Beekers! (U2958)
posted 21 minutes ago
Question, scholay.

Do you want us to force Ronaldo to stay?

You seem to have a lot of pent up anger for those of us that don't really want to keep a player who wants out, but the only other option is to force him to stay, which doesn't seem ideal for anyone concerned.
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You have to be high grade buffoon to think I have anger towards individuals I have never met and we merely converse here.

Ronaldo can leave if he wants to, I am highlighting the nonsense that has been written about him. But time reveals all and we shall see when Ronaldo leaves

posted on 4/7/22

By the way, there's an Athletic article profiling potential centre forward acquisitions from a few weeks back. This was written with the assumption that Ronaldo was staying and it could be an understudy / long-term successor. https://theathletic.com/3367179/2022/06/21/manchester-united-transfer-striker/

It picked out not necessarily 'the best options' but promising players that could represent slightly different options in terms of characteristics offered:

Tammy Abraham - all-round centre forward, linking play, great movement in box, increasingly prolific.
Victor Osimhen - direct runner and confident shooter / not so good at linking up play.
Gianluca Scamacca - promising player / more of an understudy than ready to lead the line.
Amine Gouiri - promising French U21 player. Good passer and dribbler; not prolific at this stage, compared to Firmino in his role.
Patrik Schick - compared to Huntelaar, as a pure penalty box operator: very effective at finishing moves, but not going to offer as much as others in build-up.

posted on 4/7/22

Heck put Mctominay up front he will press alright

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WTF is wrong with you? You are all over the place just because Ronaldo wants to leave and most of us are OK with it.

Get a grip of yourself man you are way to old to behave like a teenage fan girl.

posted on 4/7/22

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
19 seasons straight playing champions league football, ends up at united and relegated to Europa.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Yet the team finished comfortably in the CL spots twice without him.

It's a weird one. Ronaldo is obviously a superstar and one of the greatest of all time but things definitely changed when he came back. We became the Ronaldo roadshow.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But we also ended up in Europa without him. Please let's put some context in that season Liverpool lost VVD.
----------------------------------------------------------------------

We would have still qualified for the CL if they had not.

So that is context applied.

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With crowds back, near every team back to full fitness, we ended up right where the shower of shiiit players we have deserve to finish. But whatever suits your agenda.

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