comment by #4zA accide cchiu a lengua ca a spata - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 (U22472)
posted 21 minutes ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nPvzAxgoVEk
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Why you sharing clips of some fat dude getting fouled a lot when the chat is about Maradona?
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play. Forget all the goal scoring stats that we obsess over in the modern game. Maradona wasn't a striker anyway.
What Maradona did was unparalleled. He went to a Napoli side close to the relegation zone who had never won anything in their history and turned them into a multiple title winning side within a couple of seasons. And he did it when Serie A was at it's absolute peak with great sides like AC Milan and Juve to name a few.
His second best achievement was pretty much single handedly winning Argentina the World Cup in a side that otherwise had absolutely no business winning it.
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play.
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Rubbish. I watched them both and would still chose Messi.
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 54 seconds ago
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play. Forget all the goal scoring stats that we obsess over in the modern game. Maradona wasn't a striker anyway.
What Maradona did was unparalleled. He went to a Napoli side close to the relegation zone who had never won anything in their history and turned them into a multiple title winning side within a couple of seasons. And he did it when Serie A was at it's absolute peak with great sides like AC Milan and Juve to name a few.
His second best achievement was pretty much single handedly winning Argentina the World Cup in a side that otherwise had absolutely no business winning it.
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Frankie
You're manager of Chelsea about to play Everton at the weekend. You can get of them. Who you choosing?
Bearing in mind one is an effin massive risk.
I'd still go for Maradona I just have this stubborn belief he'd be made for our league. Especially a league that would probably foul him a bit less than he was used to.
Messi.
From an intrigue perspective, I’d go for Pele over either.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Messi.
From an intrigue perspective, I’d go for Pele over either.
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I only saw him play on Escape to Victory
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 54 seconds ago
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play. Forget all the goal scoring stats that we obsess over in the modern game. Maradona wasn't a striker anyway.
What Maradona did was unparalleled. He went to a Napoli side close to the relegation zone who had never won anything in their history and turned them into a multiple title winning side within a couple of seasons. And he did it when Serie A was at it's absolute peak with great sides like AC Milan and Juve to name a few.
His second best achievement was pretty much single handedly winning Argentina the World Cup in a side that otherwise had absolutely no business winning it.
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Frankie
You're manager of Chelsea about to play Everton at the weekend. You can get of them. Who you choosing?
Bearing in mind one is an effin massive risk.
I'd still go for MaradonaI just have this stubborn belief he'd be made for our league. Especially a league that would probably foul him a bit less than he was used to.
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Maradona without hesitation for me Flash.
Remember bits of Italia 90, Maradona was still superb, but way past his best.
Messi, very similar style. But look how many games he’s played, I doubt we’ll ever see better.
Went to watch Barca in 2014 and my word he was sublime.
Messi for me
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by #4zA accide cchiu a lengua ca a spata - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
Messi was far more exciting to watch as a 21 year old playing out on the right. 2012 onwards he became more efficient but less exciting, playing through the middle. Probably a lot to do with keeping up with Ronaldo goal wise. Without the Ronaldo rivalry he wouldn't have the same number of goals but could have been more exciting. We would have got a lot more of the wonder goals beating 40 players.
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Grate commennet
I think the Messi-Ronaldo rivslry pushed em on too grate golscoring records butt tooked a lotta the fantasy away from Messi’s play
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I think the same is true of Ronaldo. He used to be really entertaining.
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Yeah but he stared ithe made it about goals
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But obviously that's not to say I wouldn't have loved Messi too, the guy is a phenomenon.
Be interesting to see how many years Messi’s career would be cut short by if he was regularly being kicked from one end of a football field to another, and I don’t mean the trips which normally send him sprawling, I mean the attempted leg breakers which were so common before tackling was outlawed
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play.
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Rubbish. I watched them both and would still chose Messi.
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Ditto.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
I’m too young to have seen Maradona but it’s hard to believe he was even close to Messi.
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He single handedly won Argentina a World Cup. As good as Messi has been at club level, he never really did it on the World Cup Stage.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
Be interesting to see how many years Messi’s career would be cut short by if he was regularly being kicked from one end of a football field to another, and I don’t mean the trips which normally send him sprawling, I mean the attempted leg breakers which were so common before tackling was outlawed
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Pele comes into that category. He was savaged by opposition players for 12 years, but still picked up three world cup winners medals.
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 12 seconds ago
Remember bits of Italia 90, Maradona was still superb, but way past his best.
Messi, very similar style. But look how many games he’s played, I doubt we’ll ever see better.
Went to watch Barca in 2014 and my word he was sublime.
Messi for me
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Messi was in the greatest club side ever that also featured some incredible players like Xavi and Iniesta to name a few. With Pep as manager.
By comparison Maradona went to a poor Napoli side that weren't worth a bean and he turned them into title winners. Something that's never happened before or since at Napoli.
So I like to turn this argument on it's head and ask would Messi have single handedly been able to turn Napoli into serial winners from serial losers if he'd gone to Napoli in 1984 instead of Maradona?
I have serious doubts and don't think there's another player who could have done that quite frankly.
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 6 minutes ago
Remember bits of Italia 90, Maradona was still superb, but way past his best.
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Maradona play that hole tournamennet with a broked tow
You’d have to pick Messi as he is proven to work and be suited really well to this era. There’s a question mark as to whether Maradona would be able to upscale his quality to a different style of football.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 4 minutes ago
You’d have to pick Messi as he is proven to work and be suited really well to this era. There’s a question mark as to whether Maradona would be able to upscale his quality to a different style of football.
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Butt of u were jussed injecketing one of em into ur team outta nowhere, Maradona’s abilities may b moire useful.
Longer term, Messi us safer bet butt a one-off game, not sew shore
comment by #4zA accide cchiu a lengua ca a spata - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 4 minutes ago
You’d have to pick Messi as he is proven to work and be suited really well to this era. There’s a question mark as to whether Maradona would be able to upscale his quality to a different style of football.
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Butt of u were jussed injecketing one of em into ur team outta nowhere, Maradona’s abilities may b moire useful.
Longer term, Messi us safer bet butt a one-off game, not sew shore
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Depends on the opposition. If it is just someone crap like peak Real Madrid then you'd want Messi but if it was against a higher standard of opposition like Stoke away then you'd want Maradona because they'd kick him so that makes them really good at defending
The hypothetical wasn’t for a one off game though I thought?
One thing that is most underrated about Messi is his availability, he’s managed like 60 games a year for almost every year the past 15 years. I can’t think of many other players who have managed that.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
Be interesting to see how many years Messi’s career would be cut short by if he was regularly being kicked from one end of a football field to another, and I don’t mean the trips which normally send him sprawling, I mean the attempted leg breakers which were so common before tackling was outlawed
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Pele comes into that category. He was savaged by opposition players for 12 years, but still picked up three world cup winners medals.
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Tbf, Brazil wudda won those wc even without Pele
In facked he only play a cuppla game in 1958 n in 1962 n Jairzinho was star in 1970
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 12 seconds ago
Remember bits of Italia 90, Maradona was still superb, but way past his best.
Messi, very similar style. But look how many games he’s played, I doubt we’ll ever see better.
Went to watch Barca in 2014 and my word he was sublime.
Messi for me
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Messi was in the greatest club side ever that also featured some incredible players like Xavi and Iniesta to name a few. With Pep as manager.
By comparison Maradona went to a poor Napoli side that weren't worth a bean and he turned them into title winners. Something that's never happened before or since at Napoli.
So I like to turn this argument on it's head and ask would Messi have single handedly been able to turn Napoli into serial winners from serial losers if he'd gone to Napoli in 1984 instead of Maradona?
I have serious doubts and don't think there's another player who could have done that quite frankly.
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On the flip side to this though, Barca hadn't won a single trophy in 2 years prior to Pep building the team around 21 year old Messi, and they then won 3 league titles and 2 CL's in 3 years including a treble.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 13 minutes ago
You’d have to pick Messi as he is proven to work and be suited really well to this era. There’s a question mark as to whether Maradona would be able to upscale his quality to a different style of football.
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I don’t think you would ever have to question if the true greats would be able to do this.
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posted on 1/8/22
Messi. No question
posted on 1/8/22
comment by #4zA accide cchiu a lengua ca a spata - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 (U22472)
posted 21 minutes ago
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nPvzAxgoVEk
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Why you sharing clips of some fat dude getting fouled a lot when the chat is about Maradona?
posted on 1/8/22
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play. Forget all the goal scoring stats that we obsess over in the modern game. Maradona wasn't a striker anyway.
What Maradona did was unparalleled. He went to a Napoli side close to the relegation zone who had never won anything in their history and turned them into a multiple title winning side within a couple of seasons. And he did it when Serie A was at it's absolute peak with great sides like AC Milan and Juve to name a few.
His second best achievement was pretty much single handedly winning Argentina the World Cup in a side that otherwise had absolutely no business winning it.
posted on 1/8/22
Messi.
posted on 1/8/22
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play.
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Rubbish. I watched them both and would still chose Messi.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 54 seconds ago
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play. Forget all the goal scoring stats that we obsess over in the modern game. Maradona wasn't a striker anyway.
What Maradona did was unparalleled. He went to a Napoli side close to the relegation zone who had never won anything in their history and turned them into a multiple title winning side within a couple of seasons. And he did it when Serie A was at it's absolute peak with great sides like AC Milan and Juve to name a few.
His second best achievement was pretty much single handedly winning Argentina the World Cup in a side that otherwise had absolutely no business winning it.
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Frankie
You're manager of Chelsea about to play Everton at the weekend. You can get of them. Who you choosing?
Bearing in mind one is an effin massive risk.
I'd still go for Maradona I just have this stubborn belief he'd be made for our league. Especially a league that would probably foul him a bit less than he was used to.
posted on 1/8/22
Messi.
From an intrigue perspective, I’d go for Pele over either.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
Messi.
From an intrigue perspective, I’d go for Pele over either.
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I only saw him play on Escape to Victory
posted on 1/8/22
comment by The Noble Lord Flash (U8334)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 54 seconds ago
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play. Forget all the goal scoring stats that we obsess over in the modern game. Maradona wasn't a striker anyway.
What Maradona did was unparalleled. He went to a Napoli side close to the relegation zone who had never won anything in their history and turned them into a multiple title winning side within a couple of seasons. And he did it when Serie A was at it's absolute peak with great sides like AC Milan and Juve to name a few.
His second best achievement was pretty much single handedly winning Argentina the World Cup in a side that otherwise had absolutely no business winning it.
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Frankie
You're manager of Chelsea about to play Everton at the weekend. You can get of them. Who you choosing?
Bearing in mind one is an effin massive risk.
I'd still go for MaradonaI just have this stubborn belief he'd be made for our league. Especially a league that would probably foul him a bit less than he was used to.
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Maradona without hesitation for me Flash.
posted on 1/8/22
Remember bits of Italia 90, Maradona was still superb, but way past his best.
Messi, very similar style. But look how many games he’s played, I doubt we’ll ever see better.
Went to watch Barca in 2014 and my word he was sublime.
Messi for me
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by #4zA accide cchiu a lengua ca a spata - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Brian Easton (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
Messi was far more exciting to watch as a 21 year old playing out on the right. 2012 onwards he became more efficient but less exciting, playing through the middle. Probably a lot to do with keeping up with Ronaldo goal wise. Without the Ronaldo rivalry he wouldn't have the same number of goals but could have been more exciting. We would have got a lot more of the wonder goals beating 40 players.
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Grate commennet
I think the Messi-Ronaldo rivslry pushed em on too grate golscoring records butt tooked a lotta the fantasy away from Messi’s play
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I think the same is true of Ronaldo. He used to be really entertaining.
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Yeah but he stared ithe made it about goals
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posted on 1/8/22
But obviously that's not to say I wouldn't have loved Messi too, the guy is a phenomenon.
posted on 1/8/22
Be interesting to see how many years Messi’s career would be cut short by if he was regularly being kicked from one end of a football field to another, and I don’t mean the trips which normally send him sprawling, I mean the attempted leg breakers which were so common before tackling was outlawed
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
If you choose Messi then it's because you didn't watch Maradona play.
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Rubbish. I watched them both and would still chose Messi.
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Ditto.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 47 minutes ago
I’m too young to have seen Maradona but it’s hard to believe he was even close to Messi.
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He single handedly won Argentina a World Cup. As good as Messi has been at club level, he never really did it on the World Cup Stage.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
Be interesting to see how many years Messi’s career would be cut short by if he was regularly being kicked from one end of a football field to another, and I don’t mean the trips which normally send him sprawling, I mean the attempted leg breakers which were so common before tackling was outlawed
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Pele comes into that category. He was savaged by opposition players for 12 years, but still picked up three world cup winners medals.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 12 seconds ago
Remember bits of Italia 90, Maradona was still superb, but way past his best.
Messi, very similar style. But look how many games he’s played, I doubt we’ll ever see better.
Went to watch Barca in 2014 and my word he was sublime.
Messi for me
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Messi was in the greatest club side ever that also featured some incredible players like Xavi and Iniesta to name a few. With Pep as manager.
By comparison Maradona went to a poor Napoli side that weren't worth a bean and he turned them into title winners. Something that's never happened before or since at Napoli.
So I like to turn this argument on it's head and ask would Messi have single handedly been able to turn Napoli into serial winners from serial losers if he'd gone to Napoli in 1984 instead of Maradona?
I have serious doubts and don't think there's another player who could have done that quite frankly.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 6 minutes ago
Remember bits of Italia 90, Maradona was still superb, but way past his best.
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Maradona play that hole tournamennet with a broked tow
posted on 1/8/22
You’d have to pick Messi as he is proven to work and be suited really well to this era. There’s a question mark as to whether Maradona would be able to upscale his quality to a different style of football.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 4 minutes ago
You’d have to pick Messi as he is proven to work and be suited really well to this era. There’s a question mark as to whether Maradona would be able to upscale his quality to a different style of football.
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Butt of u were jussed injecketing one of em into ur team outta nowhere, Maradona’s abilities may b moire useful.
Longer term, Messi us safer bet butt a one-off game, not sew shore
posted on 1/8/22
comment by #4zA accide cchiu a lengua ca a spata - 🇮🇹🇺🇦 (U22472)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 4 minutes ago
You’d have to pick Messi as he is proven to work and be suited really well to this era. There’s a question mark as to whether Maradona would be able to upscale his quality to a different style of football.
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Butt of u were jussed injecketing one of em into ur team outta nowhere, Maradona’s abilities may b moire useful.
Longer term, Messi us safer bet butt a one-off game, not sew shore
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Depends on the opposition. If it is just someone crap like peak Real Madrid then you'd want Messi but if it was against a higher standard of opposition like Stoke away then you'd want Maradona because they'd kick him so that makes them really good at defending
posted on 1/8/22
The hypothetical wasn’t for a one off game though I thought?
One thing that is most underrated about Messi is his availability, he’s managed like 60 games a year for almost every year the past 15 years. I can’t think of many other players who have managed that.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
Be interesting to see how many years Messi’s career would be cut short by if he was regularly being kicked from one end of a football field to another, and I don’t mean the trips which normally send him sprawling, I mean the attempted leg breakers which were so common before tackling was outlawed
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Pele comes into that category. He was savaged by opposition players for 12 years, but still picked up three world cup winners medals.
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Tbf, Brazil wudda won those wc even without Pele
In facked he only play a cuppla game in 1958 n in 1962 n Jairzinho was star in 1970
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Superb (U6486)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Wetherby White (U6810)
posted 12 seconds ago
Remember bits of Italia 90, Maradona was still superb, but way past his best.
Messi, very similar style. But look how many games he’s played, I doubt we’ll ever see better.
Went to watch Barca in 2014 and my word he was sublime.
Messi for me
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Messi was in the greatest club side ever that also featured some incredible players like Xavi and Iniesta to name a few. With Pep as manager.
By comparison Maradona went to a poor Napoli side that weren't worth a bean and he turned them into title winners. Something that's never happened before or since at Napoli.
So I like to turn this argument on it's head and ask would Messi have single handedly been able to turn Napoli into serial winners from serial losers if he'd gone to Napoli in 1984 instead of Maradona?
I have serious doubts and don't think there's another player who could have done that quite frankly.
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On the flip side to this though, Barca hadn't won a single trophy in 2 years prior to Pep building the team around 21 year old Messi, and they then won 3 league titles and 2 CL's in 3 years including a treble.
posted on 1/8/22
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 13 minutes ago
You’d have to pick Messi as he is proven to work and be suited really well to this era. There’s a question mark as to whether Maradona would be able to upscale his quality to a different style of football.
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I don’t think you would ever have to question if the true greats would be able to do this.
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