no we're not. should mcclaren get the job, we will have a very good manager with lots of good contacts abroad and has a far better record than billy davies so whats the issue

At club level in English football you'd have to say Steve!

If McLaren can do at Forest what he did at Boro, I'd be happy.

What's up, foxandy - scared that we'll finish above you (again)?

I don't know about Steve McClaren, but I'm very surprised to see Billy Davies go.

I thought he was/is an excellent manager at this level - despite being an annoying, arrogant, Scottish git.

Did you see how much he spent to get Boro mediocracy in the Prem & a random UEFA cup final? Plenty; plus they played really dull football.

Up to you and your opinion but I know who I would rather. Most successful England manager since 66 or most unsuccessful since 66? Hmm tough one.

I think you'll find club football and international football are totally different entities.

I get a feeling we'll finish above you (again).

Still, being a leicester fan, you'd be well acquainted with mediocrity. Never won a proper trophy.

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It doesn't really surprise me to see Davies gone, he was always falling out with the board over his lack of 'stellar sigings'. I do think they were harsh to sack him though and wouldn't be surprised if he walked straight into the Birmingham job.

McClaren had got a decent record at club level (bar Wolfsburg where he fell out with the Director of Football) but it remains to be seen whether he can adapt to the Championship (like Sven you could say).
But who would have thought this time last year that two former England managers would be in teh Championship.

And to answer the thread, Sven was the better England manager by a country mile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhtq1ObGHy8

jobyfox you're an annoying, arrogant english git

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No he's pretty much bang on with that assessment.

The most successful England manager since 1966 is the late Sir Bobby Robson. The only manager to take us beyond a World Cup Quarter Final on foreign soil.

Foxandy are you too young to remember Italia '90 or did it just slip your mind lol.

As to Sven vs Steve, well frankly I'm grateful that I'm not a Forest fan at the moment if those are the choices. Personally I thought Billy davies was unlucky. The play off's are always something of a lottery at the best of times and unless you are willing to spend mega money there's no way to guarantee prem football now.

Having said that, well, a number of good managers would jump at the chance to go to Forest. It's a good club with a solid fanbase and there's definitely still some real talent and potential there. Davies has left somebody a very solid foundation to work with.

He was more consistent than Bobby. No England manager got us to so many tournaments and as far as we did in those tournaments that Sven. Yes I do remember Italia 90. Your arguement that he is not the most successful England manager since 66 is weak at best.

If Sven is that bad then why is he in the odds for all the top jobs in England (even the ones that aren't available yet). Where's Billy? Where's Steve?

But yeah you're right, I nor the bookies have a clue what we're talking about.

If you were getting MON in then I would be crapping my pants, however you clearly are not.

http://www.skybet.com/betting/football/manager-specials/t10002896.html

Yeah, because Sven was clearly better than Sir Bobby Robson. Jog on fella, yeah?

Sir Bobby definitely had a more talented (and committed) squad at his disposal in 1990 than Sven did at any point during his reign. That said, though, I'd agree with the others that he was the better of the two for a whole host of reasons, despite what the statistics may say in favour of Sven.

Sven was a very good and underrated England manager though and his cause was never helped by how ridiculously overrated most of the players he had under his stewardship were - the golden generation was nothing more than a piece of journalistic fiction but sadly a lot of people believe what they read in the red-tops.

As for McClaren, he's not as bad as some people make out and I've never understood the enmity towards the man. Yes he did a dreadful job with England but the FA are to blame for that - the bloke was clearly far too inexperienced to make that sort of a step up but who wouldn't turn down the chance to manage their country, plus a tidy 5 million a year to boot? He should never have been picked, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't / isn't a perfectly competent club manager. I'm a bit surprised, after all his talk of only managing in the Premier League, that he'd really consider Forest though to be honest.

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The Wally With The Brolly

oh dear florest... it cant get much worse!!

The Wally With The Brolly

oh dear florest... it cant get much worse!!

Trawling the None league clubs for a manager maybe

Oh dear, the rest of E Mids are bricking it already I see. Why are you sheep and bin robbers always on our board?? Well, obsession springs to mind.

Madness ,

well said fella, good to see neutrality at its best.

Sir Bobby

1984 European Championship – failed to qualify
1986 World Cup – quarter-final
1988 European Championship – group stage
1990 World Cup – fourth place

Sven
2002 World Cup – quarter-final
2004 European Championship – quarter-final
2006 World Cup – quarter-final

Don't let your patriotism spoil your judgement.

Do I even need to put McLarens record on here??? lol

Why did we get rid of Sven after 2006??

Still, we have him now so thats all good

'Oh dear, the rest of E Mids are bricking it already I see.'



'Why are you sheep and bin robbers always on our board?? Well, obsession springs to mind.'

Really? Well that's strange, I'm pretty sure it's got more to do with us having so many reasons to laugh at you

Good to see so many leicester fans taking an interest in their bigger neighbours from up the road.

Little, little leicester. Never won a proper trophy.

I will be blunt. I would not want Sven OR Steve at my club for a variety of reasons. Foxabdy I do take your point that Sven got to more tournaments etc but remember that Sir Bobby took over at the worst time for any manager (as to some degree Sven did later)

His best players were past it and the young lads weren't quite there yet. But in '86 we started to look like the real deal until the hand of maradona plus one of the all time great goals in WC history stopped us. In Italia '90 we were beaten by the germans on penalties ( It became a familiar theme if you remember. Anyone fancy a pizza?)

Sven basically allowed the players to do what they like and the whole business became a media circus. english football became more famous for it's WAGS than it's football.

Steve MacLaren? Well, the wally with the brolly is an image he will never shake but I think his basic problem was he was too much like Sven in that he treated the players as buddies.

Since the England job Sven has lurched from one media circus to another most noyably with Notts County while Steve went abroad and to be fair seems to have done fairly well there.

If Forest MUST have a former England manager at the helm then I would throw a wild card into the ring. A man who in my opinion was driven out of the England job for reasons having nothing to do with football. A man whose knowledge of the game and man management skills are unquestionable.

That man seems to have been forgotten in recent years and it's hard to know why because he's got so much to offer any club.

His name is Terry Venables.