comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 14 seconds ago
I think everyone knew he was a monster of a player but until he kicked a ball in the premier league it was hard to judge how well he would do as it’s the toughest league to play in as even the worse teams have some useful players
Can safely say centre backs look like children next to him, he is one powerful bloke and he is going to boss every team he plays against
He is faster than I thought too , so sharp over the first few yards
What a player ….best striker in the world by the end of this season if not already
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The Prem is not very tough at all, if you go to a financially doped club like City. In fact it is about as easy as it gets. Playing for teams like Bournemouth is tough
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It’s the toughest in europe for playing hard matches every week (unless you roll over like Bournemouth)
Yes city had a leg up years ago , no denying it but if your the best you play for the best
If you were Haaland you wouldn’t go to Bournemouth would you?
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Not saying he would want to go to Bournemouth. But don't give me it is the hardest nonsense, when City are buying their way to titles. The league is about as predictable as the Scottish Prem right now,.
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I’m not talking about city and them turning it into a boring league , different conversation no matter the truth in it
Talking about Haaland and how good he looks
Makes no difference who he plays for
He looks the real deal and that’s the point
You really do sound so old fashioned sometimes mate ….does he really have to play for the worse teams and still do it for you to recognise his quality?
Does that mean messi isn’t as good as we all think either cos he never played for a weaker team?
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He has been in the Prem five minutes. How can you judge a player on that short a timescale? Plenty of Prem strikers start of on fire, then taper off.
Need to see a lot more of him before getting overly excited.
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
The Prem is not very tough at all, if you go to a financially doped club like City. In fact it is about as easy as it gets. Playing for teams like Bournemouth is tough
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It’s the toughest in europe for playing hard matches every week (unless you roll over like Bournemouth)
Yes city had a leg up years ago , no denying it but if your the best you play for the best
If you were Haaland you wouldn’t go to Bournemouth would you?
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You've both got a point. The PL is the toughest league right now, but City have been averaging 97 goals a season for five years and they've only had one serious challenger in all that time.
comment by Meet her at the love parade (U6468)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
So in the end it was a win win for the both of us.
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Colemanball!
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Haaland already has had a lot of injuries and is unlikely to have a long PL career.
Let's see if Pep starts him every week from now to World Cup with the busy schedule.
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Norway are not in the World Cup Finals, so Pep will play him as much as he can before then.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Haaland already has had a lot of injuries and is unlikely to have a long PL career.
Let's see if Pep starts him every week from now to World Cup with the busy schedule.
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How many games has Haaland missed through injury?
The Norway international turns 22 this summer, but has been playing senior men's football since he was 15.
There is a lot of wear and tear on the tyres already, with Haaland having played over 200 games for club and country.
Injury did not really affect him much at Molde or at Red Bull Salzburg, with no problem lasting longer than two weeks, but his absences have been felt at Dortmund.
In 2020-21, Haaland missed 10 games through four injury spells, but this past season he eclipsed that with 16 games missed across three separate injuries.
In total, he has missed 36 career games through injury, but the hip flexor injury and muscular problems of 2021-22 have had the greatest impact.
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Haaland already has had a lot of injuries and is unlikely to have a long PL career.
Let's see if Pep starts him every week from now to World Cup with the busy schedule.
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Norway are not in the World Cup Finals, so Pep will play him as much as he can before then.
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Not playing in the world cup does not making playing weekend/midweek any easier. The rest should help him in the second half of the season, but the first half of the season is tough on every player.
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Angus Young (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Shame he'll be at Madrid in 4 years.
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They said the same about Aguero
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Madrid don't buy players from City because they can't afford them. City would slap a 1 billion asking price for the player if Real Madrid ever tried. He has a 5 year contract which means he will be in this league for the foreseeable future.
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 6 minutes ago
How many games has Haaland missed through injury?
The Norway international turns 22 this summer, but has been playing senior men's football since he was 15.
There is a lot of wear and tear on the tyres already, with Haaland having played over 200 games for club and country.
Injury did not really affect him much at Molde or at Red Bull Salzburg, with no problem lasting longer than two weeks, but his absences have been felt at Dortmund.
In 2020-21, Haaland missed 10 games through four injury spells, but this past season he eclipsed that with 16 games missed across three separate injuries.
In total, he has missed 36 career games through injury, but the hip flexor injury and muscular problems of 2021-22 have had the greatest impact.
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Basically, it's anyone's guess, isn't it?
Yes, with the current numbers he'd break every PL goalscoring record, but he's only 3 games into his PL career and there are loads of things need to happen for him to do it.
Madrid don't buy players from City because they can't afford them.
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Wtf?
Haaland is a top striker but he’s on the Mbappe level, not the Ronaldo/Messi level.
We were lucky to have 2 outstanding talents at the same time, reckon it’ll be a while till we see another player of their level again.
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 25 minutes ago
Haaland is a top striker but he’s on the Mbappe level, not the Ronaldo/Messi level.
We were lucky to have 2 outstanding talents at the same time, reckon it’ll be a while till we see another player of their level again.
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Not as good as them as players at their peak, but in terms of pure goalscoring he's not far off.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
The Prem is not very tough at all, if you go to a financially doped club like City. In fact it is about as easy as it gets. Playing for teams like Bournemouth is tough
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It’s the toughest in europe for playing hard matches every week (unless you roll over like Bournemouth)
Yes city had a leg up years ago , no denying it but if your the best you play for the best
If you were Haaland you wouldn’t go to Bournemouth would you?
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You've both got a point. The PL is the toughest league right now, but City have been averaging 97 goals a season for five years and they've only had one serious challenger in all that time.
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Spot on. Teams do not amass those sort of points totals if the league is tough and competitive.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
I doubt he will beat Jimmy Greaves record of 365 top flight goals.
Fair play though he has what Five goals.
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The jimmy greaves comparison 😂
Jimmy isn’t even the top English all time scorer is he?
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
I doubt he will beat Jimmy Greaves record of 365 top flight goals.
Fair play though he has what Five goals.
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The jimmy greaves comparison 😂
Jimmy isn’t even the top English all time scorer is he?
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Top flight yes.
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 5 hours, 39 minutes ago
Depends how long city are funded by a whole country for. Look at Chelsea, you never know what’s around the corner
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what happened...did roman get bored?
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 9 minutes ago
Depends how long city are funded by a whole country for. Look at Chelsea, you never know what’s around the corner
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Are we still living in 2010?
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Yes they are
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comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Angus Young (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Shame he'll be at Madrid in 4 years.
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They said the same about Aguero
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Madrid don't buy players from City because they can't afford them. City would slap a 1 billion asking price for the player if Real Madrid ever tried. He has a 5 year contract which means he will be in this league for the foreseeable future.
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comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
I disagree with this assumption Haaland will smash all records. That’s based on the premise of City as they are now, under Pep. There will have to be an evolution there, as Pep won’t be there for the duration of Haaland career.
Harry Kane holds the record for most PL goals in a calendar year, and having just turned 29 is now 74 goals behind Shearers 260. I think we will be better placed to judge Haaland in about 3 seasons - can he beat Kane’s rate of 141 games to reach 100 PL goals (2nd quickest)? Can he beat Shearers quickest of 124? Can he score more than Salah’s record of 32 in a 38 game season? Those are the kind of records it’ll be intriguing to see whether he can get near, and those in themselves will take time, but talk of all time scorer in the PL, which I’ve heard a lot of, is incredibly premature when he’s played 4 PL games. Pep has already discussed the need to rotate him.
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I don't believe it matters whether Pep is at City or not. City are still going to be a good side with or without Pep. He has elevated them to a new level but they weren't exactly a struggling mid-table club before he arrived. And Haaland has already proven he will score goals no matter where he is. Spurs have drifted in and out of being a top side to simply a decent one and it hasn't stopped Kane scoring goals consistently.
Haaland is a special talent who has all the attributes to break the records. He is bigger than Kane and quicker. That third goal he scored for City the other day demonstrates this better than anything. So yeah I'm confident he will break those records. And yes it's premature to be predicting him to be the all time record PL goalscorer but only a move away or serious injury should stop him.
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
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comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
I disagree with this assumption Haaland will smash all records. That’s based on the premise of City as they are now, under Pep. There will have to be an evolution there, as Pep won’t be there for the duration of Haaland career.
Harry Kane holds the record for most PL goals in a calendar year, and having just turned 29 is now 74 goals behind Shearers 260. I think we will be better placed to judge Haaland in about 3 seasons - can he beat Kane’s rate of 141 games to reach 100 PL goals (2nd quickest)? Can he beat Shearers quickest of 124? Can he score more than Salah’s record of 32 in a 38 game season? Those are the kind of records it’ll be intriguing to see whether he can get near, and those in themselves will take time, but talk of all time scorer in the PL, which I’ve heard a lot of, is incredibly premature when he’s played 4 PL games. Pep has already discussed the need to rotate him.
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I don't believe it matters whether Pep is at City or not. City are still going to be a good side with or without Pep. He has elevated them to a new level but they weren't exactly a struggling mid-table club before he arrived. And Haaland has already proven he will score goals no matter where he is. Spurs have drifted in and out of being a top side to simply a decent one and it hasn't stopped Kane scoring goals consistently.
Haaland is a special talent who has all the attributes to break the records. He is bigger than Kane and quicker. That third goal he scored for City the other day demonstrates this better than anything. So yeah I'm confident he will break those records. And yes it's premature to be predicting him to be the all time record PL goalscorer but only a move away or serious injury should stop him.
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Don’t agree, it’s hyperbole, Lukaku was bigger and quicker than Kane and looked unstoppable at times, played for top teams like Chelsea and Utd, doesn’t mean he had it in him to get to 187 PL goals like Kane has or 260 like Shearer. It requires a certain kind of ruthless consistency, mental strength and physical longevity. Aguero was a world class striker and played in top City sides during the last decade but isn’t where the likes of Rooney or Andy Cole are.
I’m not saying Haaland can’t or won’t do something special, I just think people are blowing their loads spectacularly early given the bloke has had 4 PL games. He’s had injuries already at 22, Pep will have moved on by the time he’s 25, City will have periods of pretty big transition post Pep, nothing is a given and I doubt the bloke is gonna be playing for City or even in the PL for the rest of his career. I think people can agree he looks like a beast who’ll score a lot of goals in the current City set up, without claiming he’s gonna smash all known records.
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But Haaland has the stats to back it up, Lukaku never did. A 1 goal per game strike rate at age 18 onwards, at all levels of competition - domestic league, CL, international, is insane and practically unheard of for this modern era. Even Mbappe's not doing that.
I think the hyperbole is justified with this guy and I would be surprised if we aren't here in 3 years time looking at records he has broken or about to break.
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posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
I disagree with this assumption Haaland will smash all records. That’s based on the premise of City as they are now, under Pep. There will have to be an evolution there, as Pep won’t be there for the duration of Haaland career.
Harry Kane holds the record for most PL goals in a calendar year, and having just turned 29 is now 74 goals behind Shearers 260. I think we will be better placed to judge Haaland in about 3 seasons - can he beat Kane’s rate of 141 games to reach 100 PL goals (2nd quickest)? Can he beat Shearers quickest of 124? Can he score more than Salah’s record of 32 in a 38 game season? Those are the kind of records it’ll be intriguing to see whether he can get near, and those in themselves will take time, but talk of all time scorer in the PL, which I’ve heard a lot of, is incredibly premature when he’s played 4 PL games. Pep has already discussed the need to rotate him.
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I don't believe it matters whether Pep is at City or not. City are still going to be a good side with or without Pep. He has elevated them to a new level but they weren't exactly a struggling mid-table club before he arrived. And Haaland has already proven he will score goals no matter where he is. Spurs have drifted in and out of being a top side to simply a decent one and it hasn't stopped Kane scoring goals consistently.
Haaland is a special talent who has all the attributes to break the records. He is bigger than Kane and quicker. That third goal he scored for City the other day demonstrates this better than anything. So yeah I'm confident he will break those records. And yes it's premature to be predicting him to be the all time record PL goalscorer but only a move away or serious injury should stop him.
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Don’t agree, it’s hyperbole, Lukaku was bigger and quicker than Kane and looked unstoppable at times, played for top teams like Chelsea and Utd, doesn’t mean he had it in him to get to 187 PL goals like Kane has or 260 like Shearer. It requires a certain kind of ruthless consistency, mental strength and physical longevity. Aguero was a world class striker and played in top City sides during the last decade but isn’t where the likes of Rooney or Andy Cole are.
I’m not saying Haaland can’t or won’t do something special, I just think people are blowing their loads spectacularly early given the bloke has had 4 PL games. He’s had injuries already at 22, Pep will have moved on by the time he’s 25, City will have periods of pretty big transition post Pep, nothing is a given and I doubt the bloke is gonna be playing for City or even in the PL for the rest of his career. I think people can agree he looks like a beast who’ll score a lot of goals in the current City set up, without claiming he’s gonna smash all known records.
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But Haaland has the stats to back it up, Lukaku never did. A 1 goal per game strike rate at age 18 onwards, at all levels of competition - domestic league, CL, international, is insane and practically unheard of for this modern era. Even Mbappe's not doing that.
I think the hyperbole is justified with this guy and I would be surprised if we aren't here in 3 years time looking at records he has broken or about to break.
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There are just too many variables involved to make this type of prediction with any degree of confidence, but you are just brushing them aside to support your point, which is, basically, if Haaland sustains his current productivity and plays enough games in the PL, he'll break all the records.
Well that's just pretty basic maths.
Actually doing it, though, is much less straightforward.
Ronaldo's the first 'modern' player who comes to mind who returned similar numbers at a similar age, and look at how soon his career derailed due to injuries. It's actually an interesting comparison, because they share some of the attributes that some have blamed for Ronaldo's injuries.
Others had explosive, stellar careers early on, but in terms of productivity tailed off sooner than one might have expected - a large category with names like Rooney, Raúl, Owen or Fowler.
Others still proved to have difficult characters that made them hard to accommodate or simply discovered (sometimes after a lengthy injury lay-off) how much enjoyed the high life, leading led them to waste a significant part of their careers. Too many to mention here, but perhaps you could fit Anelka, Adriano, Cassano or Balotelli into this category.
There's also the question of how opponents learn to deal with the threat a player poses, which is, of course, a two-way street that Haaland might have the application to travel for long enough, but one that often separates the all-time greats from the rest.
Last but not least, is the question of how long he's going to stick around. The PL's current dominance should certainly help in that regard, but I doubt there are that many strikers imported from European Leagues who've actually played the number of games he'd required to break the records you've mentioned.
As Ace says, there are plenty of milestone records that it would be interesting to see Haaland break before turning our attention to career or all-time records that will require a longevity that's reliant on too many factors.
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
I disagree with this assumption Haaland will smash all records. That’s based on the premise of City as they are now, under Pep. There will have to be an evolution there, as Pep won’t be there for the duration of Haaland career.
Harry Kane holds the record for most PL goals in a calendar year, and having just turned 29 is now 74 goals behind Shearers 260. I think we will be better placed to judge Haaland in about 3 seasons - can he beat Kane’s rate of 141 games to reach 100 PL goals (2nd quickest)? Can he beat Shearers quickest of 124? Can he score more than Salah’s record of 32 in a 38 game season? Those are the kind of records it’ll be intriguing to see whether he can get near, and those in themselves will take time, but talk of all time scorer in the PL, which I’ve heard a lot of, is incredibly premature when he’s played 4 PL games. Pep has already discussed the need to rotate him.
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I don't believe it matters whether Pep is at City or not. City are still going to be a good side with or without Pep. He has elevated them to a new level but they weren't exactly a struggling mid-table club before he arrived. And Haaland has already proven he will score goals no matter where he is. Spurs have drifted in and out of being a top side to simply a decent one and it hasn't stopped Kane scoring goals consistently.
Haaland is a special talent who has all the attributes to break the records. He is bigger than Kane and quicker. That third goal he scored for City the other day demonstrates this better than anything. So yeah I'm confident he will break those records. And yes it's premature to be predicting him to be the all time record PL goalscorer but only a move away or serious injury should stop him.
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Don’t agree, it’s hyperbole, Lukaku was bigger and quicker than Kane and looked unstoppable at times, played for top teams like Chelsea and Utd, doesn’t mean he had it in him to get to 187 PL goals like Kane has or 260 like Shearer. It requires a certain kind of ruthless consistency, mental strength and physical longevity. Aguero was a world class striker and played in top City sides during the last decade but isn’t where the likes of Rooney or Andy Cole are.
I’m not saying Haaland can’t or won’t do something special, I just think people are blowing their loads spectacularly early given the bloke has had 4 PL games. He’s had injuries already at 22, Pep will have moved on by the time he’s 25, City will have periods of pretty big transition post Pep, nothing is a given and I doubt the bloke is gonna be playing for City or even in the PL for the rest of his career. I think people can agree he looks like a beast who’ll score a lot of goals in the current City set up, without claiming he’s gonna smash all known records.
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But Haaland has the stats to back it up, Lukaku never did. A 1 goal per game strike rate at age 18 onwards, at all levels of competition - domestic league, CL, international, is insane and practically unheard of for this modern era. Even Mbappe's not doing that.
I think the hyperbole is justified with this guy and I would be surprised if we aren't here in 3 years time looking at records he has broken or about to break.
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There are just too many variables involved to make this type of prediction with any degree of confidence, but you are just brushing them aside to support your point, which is, basically, if Haaland sustains his current productivity and plays enough games in the PL, he'll break all the records.
Well that's just pretty basic maths.
Actually doing it, though, is much less straightforward.
Ronaldo's the first 'modern' player who comes to mind who returned similar numbers at a similar age, and look at how soon his career derailed due to injuries. It's actually an interesting comparison, because they share some of the attributes that some have blamed for Ronaldo's injuries.
Others had explosive, stellar careers early on, but in terms of productivity tailed off sooner than one might have expected - a large category with names like Rooney, Raúl, Owen or Fowler.
Others still proved to have difficult characters that made them hard to accommodate or simply discovered (sometimes after a lengthy injury lay-off) how much enjoyed the high life, leading led them to waste a significant part of their careers. Too many to mention here, but perhaps you could fit Anelka, Adriano, Cassano or Balotelli into this category.
There's also the question of how opponents learn to deal with the threat a player poses, which is, of course, a two-way street that Haaland might have the application to travel for long enough, but one that often separates the all-time greats from the rest.
Last but not least, is the question of how long he's going to stick around. The PL's current dominance should certainly help in that regard, but I doubt there are that many strikers imported from European Leagues who've actually played the number of games he'd required to break the records you've mentioned.
As Ace says, there are plenty of milestone records that it would be interesting to see Haaland break before turning our attention to career or all-time records that will require a longevity that's reliant on too many factors.
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I've already acknowledged that injuries could play a factor. However I think it's easier to prolong a career or come back from major injuries in this day and age with the advances in medicine and training etc. than it was back in Ronaldo's or Shearer's day. You mentioned Ronaldo and he is really the one example that is similar in terms of goalscoring figures. Ones like Owen, Fowler or Raul aren't that close.
Haaland has everything set up to break future records as long as he stays and doesn't get plagued by big injuries. Physically built to be good at all types of finishes and he also has the right mentality. I mean the guy wants to score as many goals as possible, that's what drives him. Playing for the top team in the league where he's just turned 22 and has got off to a great start, I don't know why anyone wouldn't be confident that he will do special things in terms of records.
We can put the highest PL scorer of all time record to one side but I'm calling it now, he'll be the quickest to reach 100 goals in the PL, and I think he will equal or break Salah's record for goals in a season, maybe during that time too.
I don't know why anyone wouldn't be confident that he will do special things in terms of records
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Because of all the reasons explained. It isn't (as Ace said too) that I can't see it happening, it's that the confidence you expressed considers all the aforementioned factors unlikely or insufficient to prevent him breaking the records you mentioned.
The the single-season and 100-goal records would be great milestones. Let's see if he can bag those in the coming 3 or 4 seasons, and then perhaps we could start to talk about the all-time record.
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posted on 28/8/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 14 seconds ago
I think everyone knew he was a monster of a player but until he kicked a ball in the premier league it was hard to judge how well he would do as it’s the toughest league to play in as even the worse teams have some useful players
Can safely say centre backs look like children next to him, he is one powerful bloke and he is going to boss every team he plays against
He is faster than I thought too , so sharp over the first few yards
What a player ….best striker in the world by the end of this season if not already
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The Prem is not very tough at all, if you go to a financially doped club like City. In fact it is about as easy as it gets. Playing for teams like Bournemouth is tough
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It’s the toughest in europe for playing hard matches every week (unless you roll over like Bournemouth)
Yes city had a leg up years ago , no denying it but if your the best you play for the best
If you were Haaland you wouldn’t go to Bournemouth would you?
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Not saying he would want to go to Bournemouth. But don't give me it is the hardest nonsense, when City are buying their way to titles. The league is about as predictable as the Scottish Prem right now,.
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I’m not talking about city and them turning it into a boring league , different conversation no matter the truth in it
Talking about Haaland and how good he looks
Makes no difference who he plays for
He looks the real deal and that’s the point
You really do sound so old fashioned sometimes mate ….does he really have to play for the worse teams and still do it for you to recognise his quality?
Does that mean messi isn’t as good as we all think either cos he never played for a weaker team?
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He has been in the Prem five minutes. How can you judge a player on that short a timescale? Plenty of Prem strikers start of on fire, then taper off.
Need to see a lot more of him before getting overly excited.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
The Prem is not very tough at all, if you go to a financially doped club like City. In fact it is about as easy as it gets. Playing for teams like Bournemouth is tough
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It’s the toughest in europe for playing hard matches every week (unless you roll over like Bournemouth)
Yes city had a leg up years ago , no denying it but if your the best you play for the best
If you were Haaland you wouldn’t go to Bournemouth would you?
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You've both got a point. The PL is the toughest league right now, but City have been averaging 97 goals a season for five years and they've only had one serious challenger in all that time.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by Meet her at the love parade (U6468)
posted 1 hour, 22 minutes ago
So in the end it was a win win for the both of us.
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Colemanball!
posted on 28/8/22
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Haaland already has had a lot of injuries and is unlikely to have a long PL career.
Let's see if Pep starts him every week from now to World Cup with the busy schedule.
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Norway are not in the World Cup Finals, so Pep will play him as much as he can before then.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 56 minutes ago
Haaland already has had a lot of injuries and is unlikely to have a long PL career.
Let's see if Pep starts him every week from now to World Cup with the busy schedule.
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How many games has Haaland missed through injury?
The Norway international turns 22 this summer, but has been playing senior men's football since he was 15.
There is a lot of wear and tear on the tyres already, with Haaland having played over 200 games for club and country.
Injury did not really affect him much at Molde or at Red Bull Salzburg, with no problem lasting longer than two weeks, but his absences have been felt at Dortmund.
In 2020-21, Haaland missed 10 games through four injury spells, but this past season he eclipsed that with 16 games missed across three separate injuries.
In total, he has missed 36 career games through injury, but the hip flexor injury and muscular problems of 2021-22 have had the greatest impact.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 hour, 53 minutes ago
Haaland already has had a lot of injuries and is unlikely to have a long PL career.
Let's see if Pep starts him every week from now to World Cup with the busy schedule.
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Norway are not in the World Cup Finals, so Pep will play him as much as he can before then.
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Not playing in the world cup does not making playing weekend/midweek any easier. The rest should help him in the second half of the season, but the first half of the season is tough on every player.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Angus Young (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Shame he'll be at Madrid in 4 years.
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They said the same about Aguero
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Madrid don't buy players from City because they can't afford them. City would slap a 1 billion asking price for the player if Real Madrid ever tried. He has a 5 year contract which means he will be in this league for the foreseeable future.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by GeniusGreaves (U1302)
posted 6 minutes ago
How many games has Haaland missed through injury?
The Norway international turns 22 this summer, but has been playing senior men's football since he was 15.
There is a lot of wear and tear on the tyres already, with Haaland having played over 200 games for club and country.
Injury did not really affect him much at Molde or at Red Bull Salzburg, with no problem lasting longer than two weeks, but his absences have been felt at Dortmund.
In 2020-21, Haaland missed 10 games through four injury spells, but this past season he eclipsed that with 16 games missed across three separate injuries.
In total, he has missed 36 career games through injury, but the hip flexor injury and muscular problems of 2021-22 have had the greatest impact.
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Basically, it's anyone's guess, isn't it?
Yes, with the current numbers he'd break every PL goalscoring record, but he's only 3 games into his PL career and there are loads of things need to happen for him to do it.
posted on 28/8/22
Madrid don't buy players from City because they can't afford them.
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Wtf?
posted on 28/8/22
Haaland is a top striker but he’s on the Mbappe level, not the Ronaldo/Messi level.
We were lucky to have 2 outstanding talents at the same time, reckon it’ll be a while till we see another player of their level again.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 25 minutes ago
Haaland is a top striker but he’s on the Mbappe level, not the Ronaldo/Messi level.
We were lucky to have 2 outstanding talents at the same time, reckon it’ll be a while till we see another player of their level again.
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Not as good as them as players at their peak, but in terms of pure goalscoring he's not far off.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 seconds ago
The Prem is not very tough at all, if you go to a financially doped club like City. In fact it is about as easy as it gets. Playing for teams like Bournemouth is tough
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It’s the toughest in europe for playing hard matches every week (unless you roll over like Bournemouth)
Yes city had a leg up years ago , no denying it but if your the best you play for the best
If you were Haaland you wouldn’t go to Bournemouth would you?
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You've both got a point. The PL is the toughest league right now, but City have been averaging 97 goals a season for five years and they've only had one serious challenger in all that time.
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Spot on. Teams do not amass those sort of points totals if the league is tough and competitive.
posted on 28/8/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
I doubt he will beat Jimmy Greaves record of 365 top flight goals.
Fair play though he has what Five goals.
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The jimmy greaves comparison 😂
Jimmy isn’t even the top English all time scorer is he?
posted on 28/8/22
comment by Hawkeye78 (U22468)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 3 hours, 46 minutes ago
I doubt he will beat Jimmy Greaves record of 365 top flight goals.
Fair play though he has what Five goals.
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The jimmy greaves comparison 😂
Jimmy isn’t even the top English all time scorer is he?
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Top flight yes.
posted on 28/8/22
👍
posted on 28/8/22
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 5 hours, 39 minutes ago
Depends how long city are funded by a whole country for. Look at Chelsea, you never know what’s around the corner
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what happened...did roman get bored?
posted on 28/8/22
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 9 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 9 minutes ago
Depends how long city are funded by a whole country for. Look at Chelsea, you never know what’s around the corner
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Are we still living in 2010?
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Yes they are
posted on 28/8/22
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posted on 29/8/22
comment by Boca Seniors (U19731)
posted 18 hours, 22 minutes ago
comment by gratedbean (U4885)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Angus Young (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 32 minutes ago
Shame he'll be at Madrid in 4 years.
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They said the same about Aguero
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Madrid don't buy players from City because they can't afford them. City would slap a 1 billion asking price for the player if Real Madrid ever tried. He has a 5 year contract which means he will be in this league for the foreseeable future.
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posted on 29/8/22
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
I disagree with this assumption Haaland will smash all records. That’s based on the premise of City as they are now, under Pep. There will have to be an evolution there, as Pep won’t be there for the duration of Haaland career.
Harry Kane holds the record for most PL goals in a calendar year, and having just turned 29 is now 74 goals behind Shearers 260. I think we will be better placed to judge Haaland in about 3 seasons - can he beat Kane’s rate of 141 games to reach 100 PL goals (2nd quickest)? Can he beat Shearers quickest of 124? Can he score more than Salah’s record of 32 in a 38 game season? Those are the kind of records it’ll be intriguing to see whether he can get near, and those in themselves will take time, but talk of all time scorer in the PL, which I’ve heard a lot of, is incredibly premature when he’s played 4 PL games. Pep has already discussed the need to rotate him.
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I don't believe it matters whether Pep is at City or not. City are still going to be a good side with or without Pep. He has elevated them to a new level but they weren't exactly a struggling mid-table club before he arrived. And Haaland has already proven he will score goals no matter where he is. Spurs have drifted in and out of being a top side to simply a decent one and it hasn't stopped Kane scoring goals consistently.
Haaland is a special talent who has all the attributes to break the records. He is bigger than Kane and quicker. That third goal he scored for City the other day demonstrates this better than anything. So yeah I'm confident he will break those records. And yes it's premature to be predicting him to be the all time record PL goalscorer but only a move away or serious injury should stop him.
posted on 29/8/22
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posted on 29/8/22
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
I disagree with this assumption Haaland will smash all records. That’s based on the premise of City as they are now, under Pep. There will have to be an evolution there, as Pep won’t be there for the duration of Haaland career.
Harry Kane holds the record for most PL goals in a calendar year, and having just turned 29 is now 74 goals behind Shearers 260. I think we will be better placed to judge Haaland in about 3 seasons - can he beat Kane’s rate of 141 games to reach 100 PL goals (2nd quickest)? Can he beat Shearers quickest of 124? Can he score more than Salah’s record of 32 in a 38 game season? Those are the kind of records it’ll be intriguing to see whether he can get near, and those in themselves will take time, but talk of all time scorer in the PL, which I’ve heard a lot of, is incredibly premature when he’s played 4 PL games. Pep has already discussed the need to rotate him.
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I don't believe it matters whether Pep is at City or not. City are still going to be a good side with or without Pep. He has elevated them to a new level but they weren't exactly a struggling mid-table club before he arrived. And Haaland has already proven he will score goals no matter where he is. Spurs have drifted in and out of being a top side to simply a decent one and it hasn't stopped Kane scoring goals consistently.
Haaland is a special talent who has all the attributes to break the records. He is bigger than Kane and quicker. That third goal he scored for City the other day demonstrates this better than anything. So yeah I'm confident he will break those records. And yes it's premature to be predicting him to be the all time record PL goalscorer but only a move away or serious injury should stop him.
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Don’t agree, it’s hyperbole, Lukaku was bigger and quicker than Kane and looked unstoppable at times, played for top teams like Chelsea and Utd, doesn’t mean he had it in him to get to 187 PL goals like Kane has or 260 like Shearer. It requires a certain kind of ruthless consistency, mental strength and physical longevity. Aguero was a world class striker and played in top City sides during the last decade but isn’t where the likes of Rooney or Andy Cole are.
I’m not saying Haaland can’t or won’t do something special, I just think people are blowing their loads spectacularly early given the bloke has had 4 PL games. He’s had injuries already at 22, Pep will have moved on by the time he’s 25, City will have periods of pretty big transition post Pep, nothing is a given and I doubt the bloke is gonna be playing for City or even in the PL for the rest of his career. I think people can agree he looks like a beast who’ll score a lot of goals in the current City set up, without claiming he’s gonna smash all known records.
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But Haaland has the stats to back it up, Lukaku never did. A 1 goal per game strike rate at age 18 onwards, at all levels of competition - domestic league, CL, international, is insane and practically unheard of for this modern era. Even Mbappe's not doing that.
I think the hyperbole is justified with this guy and I would be surprised if we aren't here in 3 years time looking at records he has broken or about to break.
posted on 29/8/22
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
I disagree with this assumption Haaland will smash all records. That’s based on the premise of City as they are now, under Pep. There will have to be an evolution there, as Pep won’t be there for the duration of Haaland career.
Harry Kane holds the record for most PL goals in a calendar year, and having just turned 29 is now 74 goals behind Shearers 260. I think we will be better placed to judge Haaland in about 3 seasons - can he beat Kane’s rate of 141 games to reach 100 PL goals (2nd quickest)? Can he beat Shearers quickest of 124? Can he score more than Salah’s record of 32 in a 38 game season? Those are the kind of records it’ll be intriguing to see whether he can get near, and those in themselves will take time, but talk of all time scorer in the PL, which I’ve heard a lot of, is incredibly premature when he’s played 4 PL games. Pep has already discussed the need to rotate him.
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I don't believe it matters whether Pep is at City or not. City are still going to be a good side with or without Pep. He has elevated them to a new level but they weren't exactly a struggling mid-table club before he arrived. And Haaland has already proven he will score goals no matter where he is. Spurs have drifted in and out of being a top side to simply a decent one and it hasn't stopped Kane scoring goals consistently.
Haaland is a special talent who has all the attributes to break the records. He is bigger than Kane and quicker. That third goal he scored for City the other day demonstrates this better than anything. So yeah I'm confident he will break those records. And yes it's premature to be predicting him to be the all time record PL goalscorer but only a move away or serious injury should stop him.
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Don’t agree, it’s hyperbole, Lukaku was bigger and quicker than Kane and looked unstoppable at times, played for top teams like Chelsea and Utd, doesn’t mean he had it in him to get to 187 PL goals like Kane has or 260 like Shearer. It requires a certain kind of ruthless consistency, mental strength and physical longevity. Aguero was a world class striker and played in top City sides during the last decade but isn’t where the likes of Rooney or Andy Cole are.
I’m not saying Haaland can’t or won’t do something special, I just think people are blowing their loads spectacularly early given the bloke has had 4 PL games. He’s had injuries already at 22, Pep will have moved on by the time he’s 25, City will have periods of pretty big transition post Pep, nothing is a given and I doubt the bloke is gonna be playing for City or even in the PL for the rest of his career. I think people can agree he looks like a beast who’ll score a lot of goals in the current City set up, without claiming he’s gonna smash all known records.
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But Haaland has the stats to back it up, Lukaku never did. A 1 goal per game strike rate at age 18 onwards, at all levels of competition - domestic league, CL, international, is insane and practically unheard of for this modern era. Even Mbappe's not doing that.
I think the hyperbole is justified with this guy and I would be surprised if we aren't here in 3 years time looking at records he has broken or about to break.
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There are just too many variables involved to make this type of prediction with any degree of confidence, but you are just brushing them aside to support your point, which is, basically, if Haaland sustains his current productivity and plays enough games in the PL, he'll break all the records.
Well that's just pretty basic maths.
Actually doing it, though, is much less straightforward.
Ronaldo's the first 'modern' player who comes to mind who returned similar numbers at a similar age, and look at how soon his career derailed due to injuries. It's actually an interesting comparison, because they share some of the attributes that some have blamed for Ronaldo's injuries.
Others had explosive, stellar careers early on, but in terms of productivity tailed off sooner than one might have expected - a large category with names like Rooney, Raúl, Owen or Fowler.
Others still proved to have difficult characters that made them hard to accommodate or simply discovered (sometimes after a lengthy injury lay-off) how much enjoyed the high life, leading led them to waste a significant part of their careers. Too many to mention here, but perhaps you could fit Anelka, Adriano, Cassano or Balotelli into this category.
There's also the question of how opponents learn to deal with the threat a player poses, which is, of course, a two-way street that Haaland might have the application to travel for long enough, but one that often separates the all-time greats from the rest.
Last but not least, is the question of how long he's going to stick around. The PL's current dominance should certainly help in that regard, but I doubt there are that many strikers imported from European Leagues who've actually played the number of games he'd required to break the records you've mentioned.
As Ace says, there are plenty of milestone records that it would be interesting to see Haaland break before turning our attention to career or all-time records that will require a longevity that's reliant on too many factors.
posted on 29/8/22
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 54 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Ace (U22861)
posted 12 hours, 4 minutes ago
I disagree with this assumption Haaland will smash all records. That’s based on the premise of City as they are now, under Pep. There will have to be an evolution there, as Pep won’t be there for the duration of Haaland career.
Harry Kane holds the record for most PL goals in a calendar year, and having just turned 29 is now 74 goals behind Shearers 260. I think we will be better placed to judge Haaland in about 3 seasons - can he beat Kane’s rate of 141 games to reach 100 PL goals (2nd quickest)? Can he beat Shearers quickest of 124? Can he score more than Salah’s record of 32 in a 38 game season? Those are the kind of records it’ll be intriguing to see whether he can get near, and those in themselves will take time, but talk of all time scorer in the PL, which I’ve heard a lot of, is incredibly premature when he’s played 4 PL games. Pep has already discussed the need to rotate him.
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I don't believe it matters whether Pep is at City or not. City are still going to be a good side with or without Pep. He has elevated them to a new level but they weren't exactly a struggling mid-table club before he arrived. And Haaland has already proven he will score goals no matter where he is. Spurs have drifted in and out of being a top side to simply a decent one and it hasn't stopped Kane scoring goals consistently.
Haaland is a special talent who has all the attributes to break the records. He is bigger than Kane and quicker. That third goal he scored for City the other day demonstrates this better than anything. So yeah I'm confident he will break those records. And yes it's premature to be predicting him to be the all time record PL goalscorer but only a move away or serious injury should stop him.
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Don’t agree, it’s hyperbole, Lukaku was bigger and quicker than Kane and looked unstoppable at times, played for top teams like Chelsea and Utd, doesn’t mean he had it in him to get to 187 PL goals like Kane has or 260 like Shearer. It requires a certain kind of ruthless consistency, mental strength and physical longevity. Aguero was a world class striker and played in top City sides during the last decade but isn’t where the likes of Rooney or Andy Cole are.
I’m not saying Haaland can’t or won’t do something special, I just think people are blowing their loads spectacularly early given the bloke has had 4 PL games. He’s had injuries already at 22, Pep will have moved on by the time he’s 25, City will have periods of pretty big transition post Pep, nothing is a given and I doubt the bloke is gonna be playing for City or even in the PL for the rest of his career. I think people can agree he looks like a beast who’ll score a lot of goals in the current City set up, without claiming he’s gonna smash all known records.
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But Haaland has the stats to back it up, Lukaku never did. A 1 goal per game strike rate at age 18 onwards, at all levels of competition - domestic league, CL, international, is insane and practically unheard of for this modern era. Even Mbappe's not doing that.
I think the hyperbole is justified with this guy and I would be surprised if we aren't here in 3 years time looking at records he has broken or about to break.
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There are just too many variables involved to make this type of prediction with any degree of confidence, but you are just brushing them aside to support your point, which is, basically, if Haaland sustains his current productivity and plays enough games in the PL, he'll break all the records.
Well that's just pretty basic maths.
Actually doing it, though, is much less straightforward.
Ronaldo's the first 'modern' player who comes to mind who returned similar numbers at a similar age, and look at how soon his career derailed due to injuries. It's actually an interesting comparison, because they share some of the attributes that some have blamed for Ronaldo's injuries.
Others had explosive, stellar careers early on, but in terms of productivity tailed off sooner than one might have expected - a large category with names like Rooney, Raúl, Owen or Fowler.
Others still proved to have difficult characters that made them hard to accommodate or simply discovered (sometimes after a lengthy injury lay-off) how much enjoyed the high life, leading led them to waste a significant part of their careers. Too many to mention here, but perhaps you could fit Anelka, Adriano, Cassano or Balotelli into this category.
There's also the question of how opponents learn to deal with the threat a player poses, which is, of course, a two-way street that Haaland might have the application to travel for long enough, but one that often separates the all-time greats from the rest.
Last but not least, is the question of how long he's going to stick around. The PL's current dominance should certainly help in that regard, but I doubt there are that many strikers imported from European Leagues who've actually played the number of games he'd required to break the records you've mentioned.
As Ace says, there are plenty of milestone records that it would be interesting to see Haaland break before turning our attention to career or all-time records that will require a longevity that's reliant on too many factors.
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I've already acknowledged that injuries could play a factor. However I think it's easier to prolong a career or come back from major injuries in this day and age with the advances in medicine and training etc. than it was back in Ronaldo's or Shearer's day. You mentioned Ronaldo and he is really the one example that is similar in terms of goalscoring figures. Ones like Owen, Fowler or Raul aren't that close.
Haaland has everything set up to break future records as long as he stays and doesn't get plagued by big injuries. Physically built to be good at all types of finishes and he also has the right mentality. I mean the guy wants to score as many goals as possible, that's what drives him. Playing for the top team in the league where he's just turned 22 and has got off to a great start, I don't know why anyone wouldn't be confident that he will do special things in terms of records.
We can put the highest PL scorer of all time record to one side but I'm calling it now, he'll be the quickest to reach 100 goals in the PL, and I think he will equal or break Salah's record for goals in a season, maybe during that time too.
posted on 29/8/22
I don't know why anyone wouldn't be confident that he will do special things in terms of records
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Because of all the reasons explained. It isn't (as Ace said too) that I can't see it happening, it's that the confidence you expressed considers all the aforementioned factors unlikely or insufficient to prevent him breaking the records you mentioned.
The the single-season and 100-goal records would be great milestones. Let's see if he can bag those in the coming 3 or 4 seasons, and then perhaps we could start to talk about the all-time record.
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