The previous regimes left us with a lot of deadwood on massive wages that other teams are just not interested in paying for. Not on Edu at all.
Also, your statement about him having zero experience at club level is wrong. He ran things at Corinthians for a few years.
His recruitment since he's been in the job has been top notch tbh, as DJ said, we had a LOT of deadwood on high wages which has taken years to sort out. He's doing his job very well imo
Bit harsh I'd say. Recruitment has been fairly decent for the past few seasons.
Though yes our performance on the selling side needs looking at.
Bellerin is one. Auba is another, how are Barca getting £millions for him 8 months after we gave him away for free?
As DJ said the wages are usually a major issue, United suffer the same problem.
Another is that Arteta tends to completely freeze players out unless they're in his small core of first teamers.
It makes sense on some levels but at the same time gives potential buyers absolutely zero incentive to pay us as they know the players are completely unwanted and nothing but a wage burden.
A bit more rotation at appropriate times while still looking to move players on may well help with squad fatigue as well as getting fees for players we want rid of.
It’s a very fair point. I don’t know about out of his depth tho because players recruited generally have been good. But the issue of giving players away for free is a problem. We don’t know the wages these guys are on, but imo we should still do better
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 5 minutes ago
Bit harsh I'd say. Recruitment has been fairly decent for the past few seasons.
Though yes our performance on the selling side needs looking at.
Bellerin is one. Auba is another, how are Barca getting £millions for him 8 months after we gave him away for free?
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No one wanted to pay for a fee plus £350K a week for Auba, he is on far less at Barca now
and no one wants to pay Bellerin's wages for £100K+ a week.
What Edu's done poorly is getting in substandard players like Runarsson, Pablo Mari high wages so we can't sell them easily.
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 5 minutes ago
Bit harsh I'd say. Recruitment has been fairly decent for the past few seasons.
Though yes our performance on the selling side needs looking at.
Bellerin is one. Auba is another, how are Barca getting £millions for him 8 months after we gave him away for free?
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No one wanted to pay for a fee plus £350K a week for Auba, he is on far less at Barca now
and no one wants to pay Bellerin's wages for £100K+ a week.
What Edu's done poorly is getting in substandard players like Runarsson, Pablo Mari high wages so we can't sell them easily.
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Auba is not on less wages for the remaining part of his contract. He took less last season to felicitate the move. This season he is on what he was at Arsenal.
Auba's move to Chelsea says more about their desperation than us. They absolutely need top 4 and Boehly may learn a harsh lesson that spending without planning won't get you there.
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
Bellerin is on £110k+ a week. Which is a lot for a full back. We could have got a fee if a top premier league club had wanted him. The problem is most top clubs don't rate him. So when there is only one club he either sits on the bench at Arsenal for a season or we save £5m+ on wages if he goes to Barca.
Leicester have the same issue with Tielemans. But if they think a £20m fee is not worth losing Tielemans for a season they will accept the loss and use him for a season.
In my opinion that never works because they players mind is elsewhere. We played that game with Alexis Sanchez and lost £60m.
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
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£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
Depends on the general stock of the player though J99. Sanchez was always going to have suitors willing to pay him silly money regardless of how poor he was toward the end of his time with us
Other players often don't have that luxury and will at least perform until they've at least agreed a decent contract with a new club.
Our problem though (bar stupidly high wages) is often that we make it so obvious players aren't wanted that clubs are fully aware they're nothing but a burden to us. Guys like Bellerin, Torreira, Pepe, Guendouzi, Auba etc may all be overpaid and unwanted long term but could've been used sparingly in the squad for depth. Instead we froze them out entirely so where's the incentive for anyone to bother paying for them when it's obvious we'd be better off letting them go free than holding out?
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 8 minutes ago
Our problem though (bar stupidly high wages) is often that we make it so obvious players aren't wanted that clubs are fully aware they're nothing but a burden to us. Guys like Bellerin, Torreira, Pepe, Guendouzi, Auba etc may all be overpaid and unwanted long term but could've been used sparingly in the squad for depth. Instead we froze them out entirely so where's the incentive for anyone to bother paying for them when it's obvious we'd be better off letting them go free than holding out?
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Thats on Arteta. I think thats a little bit on Edu learning how Arteta operates.
Its really better to send the player on loan or sell rather than sitting on the bench.
So eg. Arteta had a dossier on Auba. Now the club knew that so it was obvious that Arteta had issues with Auba at the start of last season. So that was the time to sell him and we may have got a fee. Edu has to be manage Arteta better and almost play master role between the players, their agents and the manager. Thats what David Dein used to do so expertly for so long!
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
Depends on the general stock of the player though J99. Sanchez was always going to have suitors willing to pay him silly money regardless of how poor he was toward the end of his time with us
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We got Mkhi in return. What was he worth at the time £20m? So thats a loss of £40m so obviously Alexis peak was at the start of the season rather than 6 months later!
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooof
Shocking to think we've gone the entire summer without improving the CM position we desperately needed for the last few season. Left it until the last hours of the window to HOPEFULLY sort it out. Unbelievable
Missing out on Champions League/high wage players /covid is problem for Arsenal's finances.
That's why I said, it's very unlikely a big signing is coming after 21st. And someone got upset and filtered me
Hopefully, in the next few hours a player like KT will arrive
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooof
----------------------------------------------------------------------
could someone fill me in on this murderer thing please?
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooof
----------------------------------------------------------------------
could someone fill me in on this murderer thing please?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alonso - car accident
comment by Kingdom of Davids (U21957)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooof
----------------------------------------------------------------------
could someone fill me in on this murderer thing please?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alonso - car accident
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ah
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posted on 1/9/22
The previous regimes left us with a lot of deadwood on massive wages that other teams are just not interested in paying for. Not on Edu at all.
posted on 1/9/22
Also, your statement about him having zero experience at club level is wrong. He ran things at Corinthians for a few years.
posted on 1/9/22
His recruitment since he's been in the job has been top notch tbh, as DJ said, we had a LOT of deadwood on high wages which has taken years to sort out. He's doing his job very well imo
posted on 1/9/22
Bit harsh I'd say. Recruitment has been fairly decent for the past few seasons.
Though yes our performance on the selling side needs looking at.
Bellerin is one. Auba is another, how are Barca getting £millions for him 8 months after we gave him away for free?
posted on 1/9/22
As DJ said the wages are usually a major issue, United suffer the same problem.
Another is that Arteta tends to completely freeze players out unless they're in his small core of first teamers.
It makes sense on some levels but at the same time gives potential buyers absolutely zero incentive to pay us as they know the players are completely unwanted and nothing but a wage burden.
A bit more rotation at appropriate times while still looking to move players on may well help with squad fatigue as well as getting fees for players we want rid of.
posted on 1/9/22
It’s a very fair point. I don’t know about out of his depth tho because players recruited generally have been good. But the issue of giving players away for free is a problem. We don’t know the wages these guys are on, but imo we should still do better
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 5 minutes ago
Bit harsh I'd say. Recruitment has been fairly decent for the past few seasons.
Though yes our performance on the selling side needs looking at.
Bellerin is one. Auba is another, how are Barca getting £millions for him 8 months after we gave him away for free?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one wanted to pay for a fee plus £350K a week for Auba, he is on far less at Barca now
and no one wants to pay Bellerin's wages for £100K+ a week.
What Edu's done poorly is getting in substandard players like Runarsson, Pablo Mari high wages so we can't sell them easily.
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 5 minutes ago
Bit harsh I'd say. Recruitment has been fairly decent for the past few seasons.
Though yes our performance on the selling side needs looking at.
Bellerin is one. Auba is another, how are Barca getting £millions for him 8 months after we gave him away for free?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No one wanted to pay for a fee plus £350K a week for Auba, he is on far less at Barca now
and no one wants to pay Bellerin's wages for £100K+ a week.
What Edu's done poorly is getting in substandard players like Runarsson, Pablo Mari high wages so we can't sell them easily.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Auba is not on less wages for the remaining part of his contract. He took less last season to felicitate the move. This season he is on what he was at Arsenal.
Auba's move to Chelsea says more about their desperation than us. They absolutely need top 4 and Boehly may learn a harsh lesson that spending without planning won't get you there.
posted on 1/9/22
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
posted on 1/9/22
Bellerin is on £110k+ a week. Which is a lot for a full back. We could have got a fee if a top premier league club had wanted him. The problem is most top clubs don't rate him. So when there is only one club he either sits on the bench at Arsenal for a season or we save £5m+ on wages if he goes to Barca.
Leicester have the same issue with Tielemans. But if they think a £20m fee is not worth losing Tielemans for a season they will accept the loss and use him for a season.
In my opinion that never works because they players mind is elsewhere. We played that game with Alexis Sanchez and lost £60m.
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
posted on 1/9/22
Depends on the general stock of the player though J99. Sanchez was always going to have suitors willing to pay him silly money regardless of how poor he was toward the end of his time with us
Other players often don't have that luxury and will at least perform until they've at least agreed a decent contract with a new club.
Our problem though (bar stupidly high wages) is often that we make it so obvious players aren't wanted that clubs are fully aware they're nothing but a burden to us. Guys like Bellerin, Torreira, Pepe, Guendouzi, Auba etc may all be overpaid and unwanted long term but could've been used sparingly in the squad for depth. Instead we froze them out entirely so where's the incentive for anyone to bother paying for them when it's obvious we'd be better off letting them go free than holding out?
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 8 minutes ago
Our problem though (bar stupidly high wages) is often that we make it so obvious players aren't wanted that clubs are fully aware they're nothing but a burden to us. Guys like Bellerin, Torreira, Pepe, Guendouzi, Auba etc may all be overpaid and unwanted long term but could've been used sparingly in the squad for depth. Instead we froze them out entirely so where's the incentive for anyone to bother paying for them when it's obvious we'd be better off letting them go free than holding out?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Thats on Arteta. I think thats a little bit on Edu learning how Arteta operates.
Its really better to send the player on loan or sell rather than sitting on the bench.
So eg. Arteta had a dossier on Auba. Now the club knew that so it was obvious that Arteta had issues with Auba at the start of last season. So that was the time to sell him and we may have got a fee. Edu has to be manage Arteta better and almost play master role between the players, their agents and the manager. Thats what David Dein used to do so expertly for so long!
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Two Balls, One Saka (U19684)
posted 16 minutes ago
Depends on the general stock of the player though J99. Sanchez was always going to have suitors willing to pay him silly money regardless of how poor he was toward the end of his time with us
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We got Mkhi in return. What was he worth at the time £20m? So thats a loss of £40m so obviously Alexis peak was at the start of the season rather than 6 months later!
posted on 1/9/22
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooof
posted on 1/9/22
Shocking to think we've gone the entire summer without improving the CM position we desperately needed for the last few season. Left it until the last hours of the window to HOPEFULLY sort it out. Unbelievable
posted on 1/9/22
Missing out on Champions League/high wage players /covid is problem for Arsenal's finances.
That's why I said, it's very unlikely a big signing is coming after 21st. And someone got upset and filtered me
Hopefully, in the next few hours a player like KT will arrive
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooof
----------------------------------------------------------------------
could someone fill me in on this murderer thing please?
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooof
----------------------------------------------------------------------
could someone fill me in on this murderer thing please?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alonso - car accident
posted on 1/9/22
comment by Kingdom of Davids (U21957)
posted 48 minutes ago
comment by Passion Power - Make 1984 fiction again (U8398)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Chris H (U15205)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 9 minutes ago
Barcelona managed to get €14m + a player for Auba.
A player we gave away for free to barca.. just 7 months ago … and we can’t get a penny for Bellerin?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
£6m plus a murderer by all accounts
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Ooooof
----------------------------------------------------------------------
could someone fill me in on this murderer thing please?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Alonso - car accident
----------------------------------------------------------------------
ah
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