Pfffffft, Victor Orta signing highly rated prospects again........................why aren't we looking at the next Lee Erwin instead?

Oh come on Gelderd, Erwin was prolific for Tractor.

They keep this up we'll have to boot Bamford out the door.

Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.

Loving your optimism guys, but I'd rather save it till they do it for us. Yeah, I'm a killjoy!

You need to give it time 🤣🤣

comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 13 hours, 8 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?
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They are 18, it's not an article about the first team but a nod to, hopefully, a bright future.

comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 3 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?
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They are 18, it's not an article about the first team but a nod to, hopefully, a bright future.

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els, don't bother, he is never ever happy with anything, always moaning, looking for negatives, loves the 'i told you so' line, hates being questioned.....move on lad.

sonny will be a star, mark my words, here & now, lad has everything to make it.

comment by kammys left foot (U21862)
posted 4 hours, 22 minutes ago
sonny will be a star, mark my words, here & now, lad has everything to make it.
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Didn't realise that GB was captain on Tuesday. Another prospect.

comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 17 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?
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They are 18, it's not an article about the first team but a nod to, hopefully, a bright future.

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the comment was creaming over Orta for these 3.

Let's see them actually do something for the first team before prematurely ejaculating.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 17 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?
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They are 18, it's not an article about the first team but a nod to, hopefully, a bright future.

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the comment was creaming over Orta for these 3.

Let's see them actually do something for the first team before prematurely ejaculating.
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A bit crude for you Jonty.

Interesting though, what is Victor's role? To identify the talent, which in the case of these three, he has done. To sell the club and the project to the talent which in the case of these three, he has done or to coach them so they acheive something for the first team.
I never "creamed over Orta" but he certainly deserves some credit when he does get talent through the door regardless of whether they kick on or not.

comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 17 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?
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They are 18, it's not an article about the first team but a nod to, hopefully, a bright future.

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the comment was creaming over Orta for these 3.

Let's see them actually do something for the first team before prematurely ejaculating.
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A bit crude for you Jonty.

Interesting though, what is Victor's role? To identify the talent, which in the case of these three, he has done. To sell the club and the project to the talent which in the case of these three, he has done or to coach them so they acheive something for the first team.
I never "creamed over Orta" but he certainly deserves some credit when he does get talent through the door regardless of whether they kick on or not.
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I give credit too, but right now, claiming these 3 as a success, and you have to remember they have cost us some money and 'forced' us to loan out now of our most expensive players, is premature at best.

Identifying talent is a small part of it.

I can identify that Mbappe is talented, can I be director of football please?

Identifying talent that fits our environment and as we keep getting told, are better than we already have and we actually sign is just the start.

Then them playing for first team and making a difference is another, none of these are doing that.

Should Orta have gotten credit then for Ideguchi through the door but he never kicked on?

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 17 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?
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They are 18, it's not an article about the first team but a nod to, hopefully, a bright future.

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the comment was creaming over Orta for these 3.

Let's see them actually do something for the first team before prematurely ejaculating.
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A bit crude for you Jonty.

Interesting though, what is Victor's role? To identify the talent, which in the case of these three, he has done. To sell the club and the project to the talent which in the case of these three, he has done or to coach them so they acheive something for the first team.
I never "creamed over Orta" but he certainly deserves some credit when he does get talent through the door regardless of whether they kick on or not.
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I give credit too, but right now, claiming these 3 as a success, and you have to remember they have cost us some money and 'forced' us to loan out now of our most expensive players, is premature at best.

Identifying talent is a small part of it.

I can identify that Mbappe is talented, can I be director of football please?

Identifying talent that fits our environment and as we keep getting told, are better than we already have and we actually sign is just the start.

Then them playing for first team and making a difference is another, none of these are doing that.

Should Orta have gotten credit then for Ideguchi through the door but he never kicked on?
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Yes he should get credit for the signing absolutely, once in the door the coaching staff are responsible for developing the player. He is identifying players based on what the head coach wants at the club.

I could be wrong but wasn't James signed because Bielsa wanted it? Was James loaned out to fund the transfer of Darko, Wilf and Sonny or because we signed the likes of Luis and Brendan he was surplus to requirements?

Kylian Mbappe is settled at PSG, they can offer him Champions League football and we cannot afford him anyway, who are you proposing to Jesse as options for the future in your role of DofF Jonty?

comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 54 minutes ago
Kylian Mbappe is settled at PSG, they can offer him Champions League football and we cannot afford him anyway, who are you proposing to Jesse as options for the future in your role of DofF Jonty?
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You said Orta's role is to identify talent, that;'s exactly what I did, it just goes to show that's not what his role is.

comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 17 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?
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They are 18, it's not an article about the first team but a nod to, hopefully, a bright future.

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the comment was creaming over Orta for these 3.

Let's see them actually do something for the first team before prematurely ejaculating.
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A bit crude for you Jonty.

Interesting though, what is Victor's role? To identify the talent, which in the case of these three, he has done. To sell the club and the project to the talent which in the case of these three, he has done or to coach them so they acheive something for the first team.
I never "creamed over Orta" but he certainly deserves some credit when he does get talent through the door regardless of whether they kick on or not.
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I give credit too, but right now, claiming these 3 as a success, and you have to remember they have cost us some money and 'forced' us to loan out now of our most expensive players, is premature at best.

Identifying talent is a small part of it.

I can identify that Mbappe is talented, can I be director of football please?

Identifying talent that fits our environment and as we keep getting told, are better than we already have and we actually sign is just the start.

Then them playing for first team and making a difference is another, none of these are doing that.

Should Orta have gotten credit then for Ideguchi through the door but he never kicked on?
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Yes he should get credit for the signing absolutely, once in the door the coaching staff are responsible for developing the player. He is identifying players based on what the head coach wants at the club.

I could be wrong but wasn't James signed because Bielsa wanted it? Was James loaned out to fund the transfer of Darko, Wilf and Sonny or because we signed the likes of Luis and Brendan he was surplus to requirements?

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So Orta should get the credit for signing a player whom Bielsa said he didn't see as either first or second choice player at any position at the club?

Did you really mean that?

James was loaned out because we couldnt otherwise afford to bring in Gnonto.

Really thought that was common knowledge, but maybe you missed it, so here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEQJYLUtQrE

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 39 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 2 hours, 34 minutes ago
comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 17 hours, 2 minutes ago
comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 42 minutes ago
comment by Batty 🇺🇦 (U4664)
posted 16 hours, 17 minutes ago
Yep, hats off to Orta on Perkins, Gyabi, and Gnonto.
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Yep, great, how many Prem points have those three won us so far?
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They are 18, it's not an article about the first team but a nod to, hopefully, a bright future.

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the comment was creaming over Orta for these 3.

Let's see them actually do something for the first team before prematurely ejaculating.
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A bit crude for you Jonty.

Interesting though, what is Victor's role? To identify the talent, which in the case of these three, he has done. To sell the club and the project to the talent which in the case of these three, he has done or to coach them so they acheive something for the first team.
I never "creamed over Orta" but he certainly deserves some credit when he does get talent through the door regardless of whether they kick on or not.
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I give credit too, but right now, claiming these 3 as a success, and you have to remember they have cost us some money and 'forced' us to loan out now of our most expensive players, is premature at best.

Identifying talent is a small part of it.

I can identify that Mbappe is talented, can I be director of football please?

Identifying talent that fits our environment and as we keep getting told, are better than we already have and we actually sign is just the start.

Then them playing for first team and making a difference is another, none of these are doing that.

Should Orta have gotten credit then for Ideguchi through the door but he never kicked on?
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Yes he should get credit for the signing absolutely, once in the door the coaching staff are responsible for developing the player. He is identifying players based on what the head coach wants at the club.

I could be wrong but wasn't James signed because Bielsa wanted it? Was James loaned out to fund the transfer of Darko, Wilf and Sonny or because we signed the likes of Luis and Brendan he was surplus to requirements?

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So Orta should get the credit for signing a player whom Bielsa said he didn't see as either first or second choice player at any position at the club?

Did you really mean that?
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So for every other signing Bielsa had the final say apart from James. Utter nonsense.

And the response was clearly regarding the Ideguchi signing. Two paragraphs two different points. Orta should be credited for the signing regardless of whether the player works at the club, his job is to be with talent recruitment, nothing more nothing less.

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 3 hours, 52 minutes ago
James was loaned out because we couldnt otherwise afford to bring in Gnonto.

Really thought that was common knowledge, but maybe you missed it, so here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEQJYLUtQrE
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And Dieng? How were we affording that one?

comment by Elsbels - El Jugador (U21658)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
And the response was clearly regarding the Ideguchi signing. Two paragraphs two different points. Orta should be credited for the signing regardless of whether the player works at the club, his job is to be with talent recruitment, nothing more nothing less.
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if its talent recruitment, then why did he sign Northwick Johnson? Or Firpo? Wiedewald, Cibicki, the list is almost endless.