He will be complicit in our relegation if he doesn't find his bollooocks and sack this manager as soon as possible.
We're going down if he takes another game this season I'm convinced.
I feel for him. I imagine he is starting to come to terms with the reality that the rest of us have known for weeks. He knows enough about football to know that relegation would be catastrophic for the club and undo all the hard work his father put into us.
But it's one thing knowing about the trouble we are in; now he needs to actually do something about it. He should have pulled the plug after Brighton but every match now is another step closer to relegation. There is no guarantee now that a change of manager will keep us up, but not changing the manager will definitely see us relegated.
Ultimately, owning a football club means you have a duty of care. You may be the owner, but the club belongs to its fans. The likes of Robbie Savage might be happy to see us relegated, but the fans won't forgive him if we go down. Every match Rodgers remains in post, he becomes more culpable in our eventual relegation. If Top cannot make those tough decisions, he should respectfully step aside for someone who can.
He looked like a man that looked gutted he was going to need to pull the trigger to me.
Could be wrong but I think he’s given Rodgers every chance to show that he can turn it around and he looked like he’d realised he can’t.
I think it might be sack time later.
If not, it is extremely worrying as per the OP.
It’s difficult to know of course, but he certainty doesn’t have that steely grim determined look on his face his father had when he was about to sack a manager. I think Top is just lost to be honest, he’s let the club slide into an awful situation and I’m convinced he isn’t communicating with the fans because he has no idea what to do about it. Let’s face it - if he did, Rodgers would have been gone already
Rodgers has said in the press conference that the owner remains supportive and he doesn’t expect to be sacked. Looks like you’re going to very disappointed Mersey and that Top doesn’t have the bottle after all.
comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rodgers has said in the press conference that the owner remains supportive and he doesn’t expect to be sacked. Looks like you’re going to very disappointed Mersey and that Top doesn’t have the bottle after all.
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I don't think that necessarily means anything though.
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rodgers has said in the press conference that the owner remains supportive and he doesn’t expect to be sacked. Looks like you’re going to very disappointed Mersey and that Top doesn’t have the bottle after all.
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I don't think that necessarily means anything though.
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There’s no signs of a sacking at all. He doesn’t look like being fired and he seems upbeat in the post match interviews and press conferences. Totally different to what we saw with Ranieri and Puel. He’ll be here for Thursday
We are now 4 points adrift of safety after only 10 games. Find your balls Top you spineless mug and make the change
If you booed or chanted at the end today, Top heard you.
If you held up a banner, he saw you.
But it is a decision he really doesn’t want to make.
He wants to give Rodgers every chance he can. #LCFC
via @TheAthletic
I mean, what on earth would it take at this point?
He’s a mug. He thinks it’s 2014/15 again and we can do the great escape. What he hasn’t figured is that we no longer have a 28 year old Vardy, Mahrez, Cambiasso and a peak Kasper Schmeichel.
He’s totally bought into the Rodgers hype train and it’s his utter naivety that has landed us in this mess, both from a financial and a footballing perspective. When we’re relegated, he will be solely to blame - not Rodgers
And what I mean by that is Rodgers has and continues to be completely enabled by Top and the board. They’re an embarrassment
It's just tedious at this point. It's not even about the club finances, despite what we thought; Top loves Brendan and will only sack him when he really, really, REALLY has to.
It's like a toxic relationship - "I'm giving him one more chance" "he's promised me he's changed, you'll see" "we had too many amazing moments to let this go" "but when things improve he'll be back to his best". Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone whispering in Top's ear the one thing he really needs to hear; "it's over".
The longer this goes on, the more I think Top just needs to sell up or get someone competent in to do his job. Oh well. Championship here we come.
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's just tedious at this point. It's not even about the club finances, despite what we thought; Top loves Brendan and will only sack him when he really, really, REALLY has to.
It's like a toxic relationship - "I'm giving him one more chance" "he's promised me he's changed, you'll see" "we had too many amazing moments to let this go" "but when things improve he'll be back to his best". Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone whispering in Top's ear the one thing he really needs to hear; "it's over".
The longer this goes on, the more I think Top just needs to sell up or get someone competent in to do his job. Oh well. Championship here we come.
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I’m running out of patience with Top who is responsible for the limbo this club finds itself in. He’s a shadow of his father I have to say who let’s be honest would never have let things get to this point
It seems Mersey has it wrong (as have I on many occasions) - the expression on the face of Top was indeed the look of a man who doesn’t want to make a decision and won’t do anytime soon. We’ve had it - and Top has thrown away everything his dad built
Yep, certainly looks that way 99.
That Leeds game is looking massive now.
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep, certainly looks that way 99.
That Leeds game is looking massive now.
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Is it? I’m not sure it is. I don’t think it makes any difference. We thought the Brighton game was massive. The spurs game. The Bournemouth game. Todays game. Doesn’t seem to make any difference when you’ve got an owner who can’t make a decision. I expect he’ll stay even beyond Leeds
Yep. Another crucial 'must-win' game that we don't win and absolutely nothing changes.
We were unlikely to win against Leeds with Madders; having got himself suspended unnecessarily almost guarantees that.
I'm going to try and be positive from yesterday in part, at least we kept a clean sheet, albeit against a poor Palace side who were about as devoid of attacking intent as we were.
There was a telling moment for me in the first half whilst looking at yesterday's loss of two points. One of our players, not sure which, maybe Daka, got the ball in their half of the pitch during a brief period of broken play; he was facing our goal but had an opportunity to look and turn with attacking intent whilst some of the Palace players were still in our half. What he did however was try and pass the ball through the Palace players to our back line.
That action is not natural for an attacking player, it can only have come from obsessive coaching/instructions to retain the ball at all costs, in other words from the Manager. The resultant poor pass which gave the ball away to Palace in a dangerous position is almost incidental.
Can Rodgers not see that this drive for possession as an end just gives time for the opposition to get into a perfect defensive formation? Presumably not.
I do not usually call for the Manager to go, but I find it difficult to disagree with anybody who wants that at present.
Top needs to take action, if the stories around a couple of weeks ago are true ie that Brendan needed to get 6 points from the last 3 matches - well he's failed to do that so maybe we'll hear an announcement today or tomorrow. I wouldn't hold your breath in anticipation though.
I doubt Captain Rodgers would still be steering RMS TitanicFoxes at full speed towards the relegation iceberg if Vichai were still around.
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posted on 15/10/22
He will be complicit in our relegation if he doesn't find his bollooocks and sack this manager as soon as possible.
We're going down if he takes another game this season I'm convinced.
posted on 15/10/22
I feel for him. I imagine he is starting to come to terms with the reality that the rest of us have known for weeks. He knows enough about football to know that relegation would be catastrophic for the club and undo all the hard work his father put into us.
But it's one thing knowing about the trouble we are in; now he needs to actually do something about it. He should have pulled the plug after Brighton but every match now is another step closer to relegation. There is no guarantee now that a change of manager will keep us up, but not changing the manager will definitely see us relegated.
Ultimately, owning a football club means you have a duty of care. You may be the owner, but the club belongs to its fans. The likes of Robbie Savage might be happy to see us relegated, but the fans won't forgive him if we go down. Every match Rodgers remains in post, he becomes more culpable in our eventual relegation. If Top cannot make those tough decisions, he should respectfully step aside for someone who can.
posted on 15/10/22
He looked like a man that looked gutted he was going to need to pull the trigger to me.
Could be wrong but I think he’s given Rodgers every chance to show that he can turn it around and he looked like he’d realised he can’t.
I think it might be sack time later.
If not, it is extremely worrying as per the OP.
posted on 15/10/22
It’s difficult to know of course, but he certainty doesn’t have that steely grim determined look on his face his father had when he was about to sack a manager. I think Top is just lost to be honest, he’s let the club slide into an awful situation and I’m convinced he isn’t communicating with the fans because he has no idea what to do about it. Let’s face it - if he did, Rodgers would have been gone already
posted on 15/10/22
Rodgers has said in the press conference that the owner remains supportive and he doesn’t expect to be sacked. Looks like you’re going to very disappointed Mersey and that Top doesn’t have the bottle after all.
posted on 15/10/22
comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rodgers has said in the press conference that the owner remains supportive and he doesn’t expect to be sacked. Looks like you’re going to very disappointed Mersey and that Top doesn’t have the bottle after all.
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I don't think that necessarily means anything though.
posted on 15/10/22
comment by Dr Tobias Fünke (U1217)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by 99 Problems (U12353)
posted 6 minutes ago
Rodgers has said in the press conference that the owner remains supportive and he doesn’t expect to be sacked. Looks like you’re going to very disappointed Mersey and that Top doesn’t have the bottle after all.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think that necessarily means anything though.
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There’s no signs of a sacking at all. He doesn’t look like being fired and he seems upbeat in the post match interviews and press conferences. Totally different to what we saw with Ranieri and Puel. He’ll be here for Thursday
posted on 15/10/22
We are now 4 points adrift of safety after only 10 games. Find your balls Top you spineless mug and make the change
posted on 15/10/22
If you booed or chanted at the end today, Top heard you.
If you held up a banner, he saw you.
But it is a decision he really doesn’t want to make.
He wants to give Rodgers every chance he can. #LCFC
via @TheAthletic
I mean, what on earth would it take at this point?
posted on 15/10/22
He’s a mug. He thinks it’s 2014/15 again and we can do the great escape. What he hasn’t figured is that we no longer have a 28 year old Vardy, Mahrez, Cambiasso and a peak Kasper Schmeichel.
He’s totally bought into the Rodgers hype train and it’s his utter naivety that has landed us in this mess, both from a financial and a footballing perspective. When we’re relegated, he will be solely to blame - not Rodgers
posted on 15/10/22
And what I mean by that is Rodgers has and continues to be completely enabled by Top and the board. They’re an embarrassment
posted on 15/10/22
It's just tedious at this point. It's not even about the club finances, despite what we thought; Top loves Brendan and will only sack him when he really, really, REALLY has to.
It's like a toxic relationship - "I'm giving him one more chance" "he's promised me he's changed, you'll see" "we had too many amazing moments to let this go" "but when things improve he'll be back to his best". Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone whispering in Top's ear the one thing he really needs to hear; "it's over".
The longer this goes on, the more I think Top just needs to sell up or get someone competent in to do his job. Oh well. Championship here we come.
posted on 15/10/22
comment by Foxello (U6985)
posted 3 minutes ago
It's just tedious at this point. It's not even about the club finances, despite what we thought; Top loves Brendan and will only sack him when he really, really, REALLY has to.
It's like a toxic relationship - "I'm giving him one more chance" "he's promised me he's changed, you'll see" "we had too many amazing moments to let this go" "but when things improve he'll be back to his best". Unfortunately there doesn't seem to be anyone whispering in Top's ear the one thing he really needs to hear; "it's over".
The longer this goes on, the more I think Top just needs to sell up or get someone competent in to do his job. Oh well. Championship here we come.
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I’m running out of patience with Top who is responsible for the limbo this club finds itself in. He’s a shadow of his father I have to say who let’s be honest would never have let things get to this point
It seems Mersey has it wrong (as have I on many occasions) - the expression on the face of Top was indeed the look of a man who doesn’t want to make a decision and won’t do anytime soon. We’ve had it - and Top has thrown away everything his dad built
posted on 15/10/22
Yep, certainly looks that way 99.
That Leeds game is looking massive now.
posted on 15/10/22
comment by Merseysidefox (U4842)
posted 1 minute ago
Yep, certainly looks that way 99.
That Leeds game is looking massive now.
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Is it? I’m not sure it is. I don’t think it makes any difference. We thought the Brighton game was massive. The spurs game. The Bournemouth game. Todays game. Doesn’t seem to make any difference when you’ve got an owner who can’t make a decision. I expect he’ll stay even beyond Leeds
posted on 15/10/22
Yep. Another crucial 'must-win' game that we don't win and absolutely nothing changes.
posted on 15/10/22
I just want to win ðŸ˜
posted on 16/10/22
We were unlikely to win against Leeds with Madders; having got himself suspended unnecessarily almost guarantees that.
I'm going to try and be positive from yesterday in part, at least we kept a clean sheet, albeit against a poor Palace side who were about as devoid of attacking intent as we were.
There was a telling moment for me in the first half whilst looking at yesterday's loss of two points. One of our players, not sure which, maybe Daka, got the ball in their half of the pitch during a brief period of broken play; he was facing our goal but had an opportunity to look and turn with attacking intent whilst some of the Palace players were still in our half. What he did however was try and pass the ball through the Palace players to our back line.
That action is not natural for an attacking player, it can only have come from obsessive coaching/instructions to retain the ball at all costs, in other words from the Manager. The resultant poor pass which gave the ball away to Palace in a dangerous position is almost incidental.
Can Rodgers not see that this drive for possession as an end just gives time for the opposition to get into a perfect defensive formation? Presumably not.
I do not usually call for the Manager to go, but I find it difficult to disagree with anybody who wants that at present.
Top needs to take action, if the stories around a couple of weeks ago are true ie that Brendan needed to get 6 points from the last 3 matches - well he's failed to do that so maybe we'll hear an announcement today or tomorrow. I wouldn't hold your breath in anticipation though.
I doubt Captain Rodgers would still be steering RMS TitanicFoxes at full speed towards the relegation iceberg if Vichai were still around.
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