Funny player. Never figured out what he is. Fairly poor defensively but a very skilled footballer. Reminds me a bit of Zinchenko
Thought KDB was our worst player today along with Gundagon. Even on the goal conceded Cancelo was left high and dry. Kevin should have tracked Salah.
He should have been played in his normal position on the left flank and allowed to tackle Salah. We set up to draw the game and in the end we may have got the 0-0 but I thought a number of our players were poor.
Other than Dias,Bernardo,Rodri and Foden in the 2nd half the rest were very poor.
You can't play RB and CB at the same time.
We were unlucky for the goal because everyone had gone forward for the FK. Fair play to Allison though for spotting that.
KdB could have done more to track back too but he had one of his worst games ever today. As he didn't take any corners I fear he's carrying an injury.
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posted 2 minutes ago
You can't play RB and CB at the same time.
We were unlucky for the goal because everyone had gone forward for the FK. Fair play to Allison though for spotting that.
KdB could have done more to track back too but he had one of his worst games ever today. As he didn't take any corners I fear he's carrying an injury.
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Definitely. Kevin played like someone carrying an injury.
The first 10 minutes told me we would not win. We were so awful. Without Rodri and Bernardo Liverpool would have smashed us and they aren’t really great and their confidence is shot.
Rodri, Foden and Ederson were the only players worthy of any credit today. Bernado too at a pinch just for his sheer effort.
I wouldn't say City were awful. Liverpool just had the edge on this occasion.
Liverpool parked the bus: 2 shots on target and 30 pc possession. Jose style masterclass
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posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
I wouldn't say City were awful. Liverpool just had the edge on this occasion.
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I don’t think either team were particularly good, it was a way away from recent performances that both have had. Think Liverpool were less bad than we were though.
I think it would have been a much better game for us had he not tweaked the system.
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posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
I wouldn't say City were awful. Liverpool just had the edge on this occasion.
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I don’t think either team were particularly good, it was a way away from recent performances that both have had. Think Liverpool were less bad than we were though.
I think it would have been a much better game for us had he not tweaked the system.
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Pep outmanaging himself again.
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posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
I wouldn't say City were awful. Liverpool just had the edge on this occasion.
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I don’t think either team were particularly good, it was a way away from recent performances that both have had. Think Liverpool were less bad than we were though.
I think it would have been a much better game for us had he not tweaked the system.
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Pep outmanaging himself again.
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Pep tweaks the formation or system every game even when we play Bournemouth. Its how he has managed all his career.
Credit needs to go to Klopp because the 4-4-2 worked and Jota and Elliot worked their socks off. Literally
The only issue I had is we were not brave, especially once we saw that Salah was playing down the middle we didnt need Ake on the left.
Disappointing game to lose because the crowd actually feared a beating and the team just didnt turn up.
Considering our form we fear a beating every time we play a good team
Pep has a tendency to overmanage big games/occasions IMO. It's why the CL eludes him since Barca days.
KDB free kick that led to the goal summed up his day really. A bad day at the office for a few as has been mentioned.
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posted 6 hours, 3 minutes ago
Considering our form we fear a beating every time we play a good team
Pep has a tendency to overmanage big games/occasions IMO. It's why the CL eludes him since Barca days.
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This. he is too clever by half.
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
He’s won on plenty of big occasions too, if you’re talking CL then I’d argue it’s not just the final that’s a big occasion. A few of them when he didn’t though, particularly at Bayern, I don’t think were down to him.
Chelsea in the final for us was, don’t think he got many others wrong.
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posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
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posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
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Pep is a serial champion. Klopp is modern day Revie. Think Klopp lost 6 finals in a row or something
I've been at 4 of the 5 finals he's won at Wembley.
Saying he bottles big games is tosh.
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posted 13 hours, 14 minutes ago
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posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
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I’m not sure about that. I remember the 2018-19 season when Liverpool came to the Etihad and lost 1-2. If Liverpool had won that game they would have gone 7 points clear or was it 10 clear.
We went on to chase Liverpool down and won the title by a point. Lots of pressure games in that season that we came through and Liverpool didn’t.
Same thing last season although the gap was too big for Liverpool to chase anyway. I know people say Liverpool could have won the quad. Academically yes but City had opportunities to end the title and not even take it to the final day. Your title challenge last season was more about city than you in my opinion.
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posted 11 hours, 21 minutes ago
I've been at 4 of the 5 finals he's won at Wembley.
Saying he bottles big games is tosh.
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Before Klopp won the CL against Spurs he had lost 7 of his last finals in a row. I’m not going to call Klopp a bottler because he deserves credit for getting to some of those finals given the cap players he inherited at the start of his Liverpool reign but no manager is perfect in pressure games. No need to drag Pep into it.
Find it odd it always defaults to the manager nowadays too. There were games where I’d hold him culpable, others clearly not.
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posted 13 hours, 14 minutes ago
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posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
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I’m not sure about that. I remember the 2018-19 season when Liverpool came to the Etihad and lost 1-2. If Liverpool had won that game they would have gone 7 points clear or was it 10 clear.
We went on to chase Liverpool down and won the title by a point. Lots of pressure games in that season that we came through and Liverpool didn’t.
Same thing last season although the gap was too big for Liverpool to chase anyway. I know people say Liverpool could have won the quad. Academically yes but City had opportunities to end the title and not even take it to the final day. Your title challenge last season was more about city than you in my opinion.
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Thats a City-centric view. I'm not surprised you can't look at it both ways. Why was there a gap in the first place? Both teams had periods where they dropped points. It doesn't matter whether it's at the start or end of a season. A season is 38 games and they all count the same.
Our title challenge was not about City, what a ridiculous and logically impossible thing to say. It was about us coming back from the dead to force a title challenge against all odds.
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comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 hours, 21 minutes ago
I've been at 4 of the 5 finals he's won at Wembley.
Saying he bottles big games is tosh.
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Before Klopp won the CL against Spurs he had lost 7 of his last finals in a row. I’m not going to call Klopp a bottler because he deserves credit for getting to some of those finals given the cap players he inherited at the start of his Liverpool reign but no manager is perfect in pressure games. No need to drag Pep into it.
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Pep does bottle big games more than you'd think he would. Big games aren't just finals alone. Semis and even any knockout can be a big game depending on the opponents. He's the best manager right now but even the best have their flaws and that's one for Pep IMO.
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posted 13 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
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I’m not sure about that. I remember the 2018-19 season when Liverpool came to the Etihad and lost 1-2. If Liverpool had won that game they would have gone 7 points clear or was it 10 clear.
We went on to chase Liverpool down and won the title by a point. Lots of pressure games in that season that we came through and Liverpool didn’t.
Same thing last season although the gap was too big for Liverpool to chase anyway. I know people say Liverpool could have won the quad. Academically yes but City had opportunities to end the title and not even take it to the final day. Your title challenge last season was more about city than you in my opinion.
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Thats a City-centric view. I'm not surprised you can't look at it both ways. Why was there a gap in the first place? Both teams had periods where they dropped points. It doesn't matter whether it's at the start or end of a season. A season is 38 games and they all count the same.
Our title challenge was not about City, what a ridiculous and logically impossible thing to say. It was about us coming back from the dead to force a title challenge against all odds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------you were in the title race academically but the only moment you could force the issue and put the destiny of the title in your hands you fluffed it at the Etihad.
If you won it there after it was more about City dropping points. That’s why I used the example of 2018-19 where in the new year city actually won the game and probably had to considering they eventually won the title by one point.
I haven't checked but he's been to one Champions League final since he left Barca, no? Which he lost.
Having managed Bayern and City that's embarrassing tbh. Bayern won the CL in the 2 years before Pep and again in the 2 years after Pep I think, with inferior managers to Pep. So why not during Pep's reign?
City the richest and best team with the best manager but one CL final which they lost while Klopp has been to 3 CL finals while losing the league titles by a point twice. Even Tuchel has won it within months of arriving at Chelsea.
From the way Pep talks I think he knows this is a lacuna in his career.
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posted on 16/10/22
Funny player. Never figured out what he is. Fairly poor defensively but a very skilled footballer. Reminds me a bit of Zinchenko
posted on 16/10/22
Thought KDB was our worst player today along with Gundagon. Even on the goal conceded Cancelo was left high and dry. Kevin should have tracked Salah.
He should have been played in his normal position on the left flank and allowed to tackle Salah. We set up to draw the game and in the end we may have got the 0-0 but I thought a number of our players were poor.
Other than Dias,Bernardo,Rodri and Foden in the 2nd half the rest were very poor.
posted on 16/10/22
You can't play RB and CB at the same time.
We were unlucky for the goal because everyone had gone forward for the FK. Fair play to Allison though for spotting that.
KdB could have done more to track back too but he had one of his worst games ever today. As he didn't take any corners I fear he's carrying an injury.
posted on 16/10/22
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 2 minutes ago
You can't play RB and CB at the same time.
We were unlucky for the goal because everyone had gone forward for the FK. Fair play to Allison though for spotting that.
KdB could have done more to track back too but he had one of his worst games ever today. As he didn't take any corners I fear he's carrying an injury.
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Definitely. Kevin played like someone carrying an injury.
The first 10 minutes told me we would not win. We were so awful. Without Rodri and Bernardo Liverpool would have smashed us and they aren’t really great and their confidence is shot.
posted on 16/10/22
Rodri, Foden and Ederson were the only players worthy of any credit today. Bernado too at a pinch just for his sheer effort.
posted on 17/10/22
I wouldn't say City were awful. Liverpool just had the edge on this occasion.
posted on 17/10/22
Liverpool parked the bus: 2 shots on target and 30 pc possession. Jose style masterclass
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
I wouldn't say City were awful. Liverpool just had the edge on this occasion.
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I don’t think either team were particularly good, it was a way away from recent performances that both have had. Think Liverpool were less bad than we were though.
I think it would have been a much better game for us had he not tweaked the system.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
I wouldn't say City were awful. Liverpool just had the edge on this occasion.
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I don’t think either team were particularly good, it was a way away from recent performances that both have had. Think Liverpool were less bad than we were though.
I think it would have been a much better game for us had he not tweaked the system.
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Pep outmanaging himself again.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 3 hours, 42 minutes ago
I wouldn't say City were awful. Liverpool just had the edge on this occasion.
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I don’t think either team were particularly good, it was a way away from recent performances that both have had. Think Liverpool were less bad than we were though.
I think it would have been a much better game for us had he not tweaked the system.
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Pep outmanaging himself again.
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Pep tweaks the formation or system every game even when we play Bournemouth. Its how he has managed all his career.
Credit needs to go to Klopp because the 4-4-2 worked and Jota and Elliot worked their socks off. Literally
The only issue I had is we were not brave, especially once we saw that Salah was playing down the middle we didnt need Ake on the left.
Disappointing game to lose because the crowd actually feared a beating and the team just didnt turn up.
posted on 17/10/22
Considering our form we fear a beating every time we play a good team
Pep has a tendency to overmanage big games/occasions IMO. It's why the CL eludes him since Barca days.
posted on 17/10/22
KDB free kick that led to the goal summed up his day really. A bad day at the office for a few as has been mentioned.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 6 hours, 3 minutes ago
Considering our form we fear a beating every time we play a good team
Pep has a tendency to overmanage big games/occasions IMO. It's why the CL eludes him since Barca days.
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This. he is too clever by half.
posted on 17/10/22
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
posted on 17/10/22
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
posted on 17/10/22
He’s won on plenty of big occasions too, if you’re talking CL then I’d argue it’s not just the final that’s a big occasion. A few of them when he didn’t though, particularly at Bayern, I don’t think were down to him.
Chelsea in the final for us was, don’t think he got many others wrong.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matte... (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
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Pep is a serial champion. Klopp is modern day Revie. Think Klopp lost 6 finals in a row or something
posted on 17/10/22
I've been at 4 of the 5 finals he's won at Wembley.
Saying he bottles big games is tosh.
posted on 18/10/22
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 13 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
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I’m not sure about that. I remember the 2018-19 season when Liverpool came to the Etihad and lost 1-2. If Liverpool had won that game they would have gone 7 points clear or was it 10 clear.
We went on to chase Liverpool down and won the title by a point. Lots of pressure games in that season that we came through and Liverpool didn’t.
Same thing last season although the gap was too big for Liverpool to chase anyway. I know people say Liverpool could have won the quad. Academically yes but City had opportunities to end the title and not even take it to the final day. Your title challenge last season was more about city than you in my opinion.
posted on 18/10/22
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 hours, 21 minutes ago
I've been at 4 of the 5 finals he's won at Wembley.
Saying he bottles big games is tosh.
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Before Klopp won the CL against Spurs he had lost 7 of his last finals in a row. I’m not going to call Klopp a bottler because he deserves credit for getting to some of those finals given the cap players he inherited at the start of his Liverpool reign but no manager is perfect in pressure games. No need to drag Pep into it.
posted on 18/10/22
Find it odd it always defaults to the manager nowadays too. There were games where I’d hold him culpable, others clearly not.
posted on 18/10/22
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 13 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
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I’m not sure about that. I remember the 2018-19 season when Liverpool came to the Etihad and lost 1-2. If Liverpool had won that game they would have gone 7 points clear or was it 10 clear.
We went on to chase Liverpool down and won the title by a point. Lots of pressure games in that season that we came through and Liverpool didn’t.
Same thing last season although the gap was too big for Liverpool to chase anyway. I know people say Liverpool could have won the quad. Academically yes but City had opportunities to end the title and not even take it to the final day. Your title challenge last season was more about city than you in my opinion.
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Thats a City-centric view. I'm not surprised you can't look at it both ways. Why was there a gap in the first place? Both teams had periods where they dropped points. It doesn't matter whether it's at the start or end of a season. A season is 38 games and they all count the same.
Our title challenge was not about City, what a ridiculous and logically impossible thing to say. It was about us coming back from the dead to force a title challenge against all odds.
posted on 18/10/22
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 11 hours, 21 minutes ago
I've been at 4 of the 5 finals he's won at Wembley.
Saying he bottles big games is tosh.
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Before Klopp won the CL against Spurs he had lost 7 of his last finals in a row. I’m not going to call Klopp a bottler because he deserves credit for getting to some of those finals given the cap players he inherited at the start of his Liverpool reign but no manager is perfect in pressure games. No need to drag Pep into it.
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Pep does bottle big games more than you'd think he would. Big games aren't just finals alone. Semis and even any knockout can be a big game depending on the opponents. He's the best manager right now but even the best have their flaws and that's one for Pep IMO.
posted on 18/10/22
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posted 3 minutes ago
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posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Serious Thorgen Kloppinson - No laughing matter (U1282)
posted 13 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 22 seconds ago
Goes with the territory, on the whole he gets far more right than he does wrong with it.
Can be annoying from time to time though!
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Not on the big occasions. He cruises the whole way then a bb if crucial moment arrived and he balls it up.
If the league had a final single game to decide it City would have much fewer league titles than they do under Pep.
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I’m not sure about that. I remember the 2018-19 season when Liverpool came to the Etihad and lost 1-2. If Liverpool had won that game they would have gone 7 points clear or was it 10 clear.
We went on to chase Liverpool down and won the title by a point. Lots of pressure games in that season that we came through and Liverpool didn’t.
Same thing last season although the gap was too big for Liverpool to chase anyway. I know people say Liverpool could have won the quad. Academically yes but City had opportunities to end the title and not even take it to the final day. Your title challenge last season was more about city than you in my opinion.
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Thats a City-centric view. I'm not surprised you can't look at it both ways. Why was there a gap in the first place? Both teams had periods where they dropped points. It doesn't matter whether it's at the start or end of a season. A season is 38 games and they all count the same.
Our title challenge was not about City, what a ridiculous and logically impossible thing to say. It was about us coming back from the dead to force a title challenge against all odds.
----------------------------------------------------------------------you were in the title race academically but the only moment you could force the issue and put the destiny of the title in your hands you fluffed it at the Etihad.
If you won it there after it was more about City dropping points. That’s why I used the example of 2018-19 where in the new year city actually won the game and probably had to considering they eventually won the title by one point.
posted on 18/10/22
I haven't checked but he's been to one Champions League final since he left Barca, no? Which he lost.
Having managed Bayern and City that's embarrassing tbh. Bayern won the CL in the 2 years before Pep and again in the 2 years after Pep I think, with inferior managers to Pep. So why not during Pep's reign?
City the richest and best team with the best manager but one CL final which they lost while Klopp has been to 3 CL finals while losing the league titles by a point twice. Even Tuchel has won it within months of arriving at Chelsea.
From the way Pep talks I think he knows this is a lacuna in his career.
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