How many times has mo now done Cancelo. He must hate facing him.
Yeah i don't get the stick with Trent.
He's one of only two players in your squad (Thiago being the other) that has more season's of success than failure in their career.
I thought the same thing.
But City got in behind us on the right side a few times immediately TAA came on. We needed to protect the lead, he does need to improve.
Their both suspect defensively! Been saying it about Cancelo for months. You’re right though, he gets away with it more, probably as he’s not an England international
comment by Jake-Jake (U22911)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yeah i don't get the stick with Trent.
He's one of only two players in your squad (Thiago being the other) that has more season's of success than failure in their career.
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The perfect way to explain the Trent thing is the way a Chelsea fan backed up Reece James when the form or abilities of the Chelsea fullback were questioned:
He simply said - “Recce James is not considered the best Right back in the world”
Same applies to Cancelo or any other fullback who doesn’t have the status Trent has. They build you up and then focus on every little mistake you make. It’s happening to Virgil as he has not been as bad as people make it out to be.
We have all called out Cancelo. He has made worse mistakes and not been punished. Yesterday he finally paid for it. Once he realised he was the last man he should have stepped back and jockeyed or shepperd Salah away from goal.
Problem is players like Trent and Canceló simply don’t read or understand the game that way. Which is a pity.
Lets face it, hes been that good that people have to find a stick to Trent with and go over the top with it. A lot of it is how hes asked to play too if we're honest. This is probably the second time since bursting onto the scene at 18 hes been in poor form but the first time where in his defence the entire team has been awful too and have done him no favours.
Hes what 24? still 4/5 years off a defenders peak age. Needs to improve in attitude imo ive seen him show he can defend well multiple times but thats rarely highlighted when he does. However he doesnt show the same attitude and desire to defend as he does attack. He could certainly react faster to get back in position for example and be more aggressive in defending.
Ive seen Walker and RJ cost their teams including England but its never mentioned, certainly not to the extent it is with Trent. And these guys play in teams with much more protection than trent gets in liverpools at rb.
I know many City fans who say Cancelo is suspect at defending but going forward he is immense. City keep winning so it does not get publicised. I also think he is a better left back than right back and City missed him on the left yesterday.
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 32 seconds ago
Lets face it, hes been that good that people have to find a stick to Trent with and go over the top with it. A lot of it is how hes asked to play too if we're honest. This is probably the second time since bursting onto the scene at 18 hes been in poor form but the first time where in his defence the entire team has been awful too and have done him no favours.
Hes what 24? still 4/5 years off a defenders peak age. Needs to improve in attitude imo ive seen him show he can defend well multiple times but thats rarely highlighted when he does. However he doesnt show the same attitude and desire to defend as he does attack. He could certainly react faster to get back in position for example and be more aggressive in defending.
Ive seen Walker and RJ cost their teams including England but its never mentioned, certainly not to the extent it is with Trent. And these guys play in teams with much more protection than trent gets in liverpools at rb.
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I have a problem with your last statement. Trent has enjoyed more protection than most right backs in the last 5 years and it’s only when Gini left and Hendersons role changed a bit did he not get this protection. The likes of Reece have been protected but certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved.
I don’t rate Cancelo and Trent as fullbacks in the traditional sense. They are simply unbalanced and don’t care enough to improve their defensive game. I bet nothing will change for both.
Cancelo is better at Lb I think too, can put better balls into the box from there. He shouldn’t be up against Salah though so I was happy when I saw he was starting on the right… just defeats the object when he’s left as last man back on him though!
Walker has been criticised for his defensive brain farts tbh. His recovery is generally pretty good though, and I’d say his overall defensive game has improved hugely during his time at City.
Reece plays in a back 5 with 2 DM's. He has all the protection in the world. That never gets highlighted.
Regardless of the comparisons I don't want Trent at right back. It has been a drain to the team.
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT! - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
I know many City fans who say Cancelo is suspect at defending but going forward he is immense. City keep winning so it does not get publicised. I also think he is a better left back than right back and City missed him on the left yesterday.
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The only place where we got our tactics wrong yesterday. Foden could not expose Milner as he had no runner on either side until Bernardo moved there in the second half which was too late.
By that time Milner and Gomez were settled in the game and worked well together to nullify City.
By the way it could be an early call to make but Fabinho doesn’t look like half the player he was. Not even close.
"certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved."
Walker's positioning on the pitch is different though...more often than not he's the right side of the back 3.
He times his ovelaps quite well though
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 32 seconds ago
Lets face it, hes been that good that people have to find a stick to Trent with and go over the top with it. A lot of it is how hes asked to play too if we're honest. This is probably the second time since bursting onto the scene at 18 hes been in poor form but the first time where in his defence the entire team has been awful too and have done him no favours.
Hes what 24? still 4/5 years off a defenders peak age. Needs to improve in attitude imo ive seen him show he can defend well multiple times but thats rarely highlighted when he does. However he doesnt show the same attitude and desire to defend as he does attack. He could certainly react faster to get back in position for example and be more aggressive in defending.
Ive seen Walker and RJ cost their teams including England but its never mentioned, certainly not to the extent it is with Trent. And these guys play in teams with much more protection than trent gets in liverpools at rb.
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I have a problem with your last statement. Trent has enjoyed more protection than most right backs in the last 5 years and it’s only when Gini left and Hendersons role changed a bit did he not get this protection. The likes of Reece have been protected but certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved.
I don’t rate Cancelo and Trent as fullbacks in the traditional sense. They are simply unbalanced and don’t care enough to improve their defensive game. I bet nothing will change for both.
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hes not had protection of 3 cbs behind him nor a deeper defensive line or starting position. yet hes compared to those who do.
thats because theyre not traditional rbs, but are often compared to them or players playing in roles/positions more similar than them.
Cancelo was picked out but it was a completely new system pep tried not for the first time changing the way his teams play vs Liverpool either. Could have done better in the 1v1 sure but at times they were outnumbered etc and its hard.
Keane likes to say defendings easiest part of football, maybe in his day or the park the bus method, not how big teams are asked to defend now vs teams who attack how they do now. Such high lines out numbered high risk high reward. Keepers like Ederson are not the norm neither are players like cancelo/trent.
At the end of the day...the attcking contributions from Trent and Cancelo far outweigh their defensive shortcomings. More often not, the system works.
90+ points a season confirm this.
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
"certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved."
Walker's positioning on the pitch is different though...more often than not he's the right side of the back 3.
He times his ovelaps quite well though
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hes often beat easily too or makes a mistake, he has one top asset though, insane recovery speed. Its not so much hes an outstanding defender, far from it.
And peps team used his speed so well and they miss him when hes out. They will also miss cancelos contributions when hes out too because pep uses him so well too but in a more offensive way. Similar to Klopp with Trent at rb for going on 6 years now.
I think what Allisson did was just top top class. As someone who played this game, it is amazing how he had the vision and then the audacity along with skills to launch that ball perfectly so City keeper could not get to it before Salah.
Made by Allisson - astonishing goal. A great lesson for City.Beware when you move up so high and get caught in the no mans land with a ball over the top.
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
"certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved."
Walker's positioning on the pitch is different though...more often than not he's the right side of the back 3.
He times his ovelaps quite well though
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hes often beat easily too or makes a mistake, he has one top asset though, insane recovery speed. Its not so much hes an outstanding defender, far from it.
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Recovery pace or not Walker is a way better defender than Trent and Cancelo.
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Lets face it, hes been that good that people have to find a stick to Trent with and go over the top with it. A lot of it is how hes asked to play too if we're honest. This is probably the second time since bursting onto the scene at 18 hes been in poor form but the first time where in his defence the entire team has been awful too and have done him no favours.
Hes what 24? still 4/5 years off a defenders peak age. Needs to improve in attitude imo ive seen him show he can defend well multiple times but thats rarely highlighted when he does. However he doesnt show the same attitude and desire to defend as he does attack. He could certainly react faster to get back in position for example and be more aggressive in defending.
Ive seen Walker and RJ cost their teams including England but its never mentioned, certainly not to the extent it is with Trent. And these guys play in teams with much more protection than trent gets in liverpools at rb.
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When has James cost his team?
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
"certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved."
Walker's positioning on the pitch is different though...more often than not he's the right side of the back 3.
He times his ovelaps quite well though
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hes often beat easily too or makes a mistake, he has one top asset though, insane recovery speed. Its not so much hes an outstanding defender, far from it.
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Recovery pace or not Walker is a way better defender than Trent and Cancelo.
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Yeah I back Walker in a 1v1
Too bad he isn't a better player than TAA.
but imagine the coverage if Trent got spun like a terribly executed hoola hoop spin.
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That happens every game?
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
but imagine the coverage if Trent got spun like a terribly executed hoola hoop spin.
-/
That happens every game?
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TAA weakness is in other areas of defending. You're confusing him with Maguire, the English Baresi.
I’ve seen quite a bit of criticism of Cancelo. Most things I’ve read have been more praising of Alisson and Salah though so you can’t really have both to an extreme.
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posted on 17/10/22
How many times has mo now done Cancelo. He must hate facing him.
posted on 17/10/22
Yeah i don't get the stick with Trent.
He's one of only two players in your squad (Thiago being the other) that has more season's of success than failure in their career.
posted on 17/10/22
I thought the same thing.
But City got in behind us on the right side a few times immediately TAA came on. We needed to protect the lead, he does need to improve.
posted on 17/10/22
Their both suspect defensively! Been saying it about Cancelo for months. You’re right though, he gets away with it more, probably as he’s not an England international
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Jake-Jake (U22911)
posted 10 minutes ago
Yeah i don't get the stick with Trent.
He's one of only two players in your squad (Thiago being the other) that has more season's of success than failure in their career.
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The perfect way to explain the Trent thing is the way a Chelsea fan backed up Reece James when the form or abilities of the Chelsea fullback were questioned:
He simply said - “Recce James is not considered the best Right back in the world”
Same applies to Cancelo or any other fullback who doesn’t have the status Trent has. They build you up and then focus on every little mistake you make. It’s happening to Virgil as he has not been as bad as people make it out to be.
We have all called out Cancelo. He has made worse mistakes and not been punished. Yesterday he finally paid for it. Once he realised he was the last man he should have stepped back and jockeyed or shepperd Salah away from goal.
Problem is players like Trent and Canceló simply don’t read or understand the game that way. Which is a pity.
posted on 17/10/22
Lets face it, hes been that good that people have to find a stick to Trent with and go over the top with it. A lot of it is how hes asked to play too if we're honest. This is probably the second time since bursting onto the scene at 18 hes been in poor form but the first time where in his defence the entire team has been awful too and have done him no favours.
Hes what 24? still 4/5 years off a defenders peak age. Needs to improve in attitude imo ive seen him show he can defend well multiple times but thats rarely highlighted when he does. However he doesnt show the same attitude and desire to defend as he does attack. He could certainly react faster to get back in position for example and be more aggressive in defending.
Ive seen Walker and RJ cost their teams including England but its never mentioned, certainly not to the extent it is with Trent. And these guys play in teams with much more protection than trent gets in liverpools at rb.
posted on 17/10/22
I know many City fans who say Cancelo is suspect at defending but going forward he is immense. City keep winning so it does not get publicised. I also think he is a better left back than right back and City missed him on the left yesterday.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 32 seconds ago
Lets face it, hes been that good that people have to find a stick to Trent with and go over the top with it. A lot of it is how hes asked to play too if we're honest. This is probably the second time since bursting onto the scene at 18 hes been in poor form but the first time where in his defence the entire team has been awful too and have done him no favours.
Hes what 24? still 4/5 years off a defenders peak age. Needs to improve in attitude imo ive seen him show he can defend well multiple times but thats rarely highlighted when he does. However he doesnt show the same attitude and desire to defend as he does attack. He could certainly react faster to get back in position for example and be more aggressive in defending.
Ive seen Walker and RJ cost their teams including England but its never mentioned, certainly not to the extent it is with Trent. And these guys play in teams with much more protection than trent gets in liverpools at rb.
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I have a problem with your last statement. Trent has enjoyed more protection than most right backs in the last 5 years and it’s only when Gini left and Hendersons role changed a bit did he not get this protection. The likes of Reece have been protected but certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved.
I don’t rate Cancelo and Trent as fullbacks in the traditional sense. They are simply unbalanced and don’t care enough to improve their defensive game. I bet nothing will change for both.
posted on 17/10/22
Cancelo is better at Lb I think too, can put better balls into the box from there. He shouldn’t be up against Salah though so I was happy when I saw he was starting on the right… just defeats the object when he’s left as last man back on him though!
Walker has been criticised for his defensive brain farts tbh. His recovery is generally pretty good though, and I’d say his overall defensive game has improved hugely during his time at City.
posted on 17/10/22
Reece plays in a back 5 with 2 DM's. He has all the protection in the world. That never gets highlighted.
Regardless of the comparisons I don't want Trent at right back. It has been a drain to the team.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT! - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 1 minute ago
I know many City fans who say Cancelo is suspect at defending but going forward he is immense. City keep winning so it does not get publicised. I also think he is a better left back than right back and City missed him on the left yesterday.
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The only place where we got our tactics wrong yesterday. Foden could not expose Milner as he had no runner on either side until Bernardo moved there in the second half which was too late.
By that time Milner and Gomez were settled in the game and worked well together to nullify City.
By the way it could be an early call to make but Fabinho doesn’t look like half the player he was. Not even close.
posted on 17/10/22
"certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved."
Walker's positioning on the pitch is different though...more often than not he's the right side of the back 3.
He times his ovelaps quite well though
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 32 seconds ago
Lets face it, hes been that good that people have to find a stick to Trent with and go over the top with it. A lot of it is how hes asked to play too if we're honest. This is probably the second time since bursting onto the scene at 18 hes been in poor form but the first time where in his defence the entire team has been awful too and have done him no favours.
Hes what 24? still 4/5 years off a defenders peak age. Needs to improve in attitude imo ive seen him show he can defend well multiple times but thats rarely highlighted when he does. However he doesnt show the same attitude and desire to defend as he does attack. He could certainly react faster to get back in position for example and be more aggressive in defending.
Ive seen Walker and RJ cost their teams including England but its never mentioned, certainly not to the extent it is with Trent. And these guys play in teams with much more protection than trent gets in liverpools at rb.
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I have a problem with your last statement. Trent has enjoyed more protection than most right backs in the last 5 years and it’s only when Gini left and Hendersons role changed a bit did he not get this protection. The likes of Reece have been protected but certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved.
I don’t rate Cancelo and Trent as fullbacks in the traditional sense. They are simply unbalanced and don’t care enough to improve their defensive game. I bet nothing will change for both.
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hes not had protection of 3 cbs behind him nor a deeper defensive line or starting position. yet hes compared to those who do.
posted on 17/10/22
thats because theyre not traditional rbs, but are often compared to them or players playing in roles/positions more similar than them.
Cancelo was picked out but it was a completely new system pep tried not for the first time changing the way his teams play vs Liverpool either. Could have done better in the 1v1 sure but at times they were outnumbered etc and its hard.
Keane likes to say defendings easiest part of football, maybe in his day or the park the bus method, not how big teams are asked to defend now vs teams who attack how they do now. Such high lines out numbered high risk high reward. Keepers like Ederson are not the norm neither are players like cancelo/trent.
posted on 17/10/22
At the end of the day...the attcking contributions from Trent and Cancelo far outweigh their defensive shortcomings. More often not, the system works.
90+ points a season confirm this.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
"certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved."
Walker's positioning on the pitch is different though...more often than not he's the right side of the back 3.
He times his ovelaps quite well though
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hes often beat easily too or makes a mistake, he has one top asset though, insane recovery speed. Its not so much hes an outstanding defender, far from it.
posted on 17/10/22
And peps team used his speed so well and they miss him when hes out. They will also miss cancelos contributions when hes out too because pep uses him so well too but in a more offensive way. Similar to Klopp with Trent at rb for going on 6 years now.
posted on 17/10/22
I think what Allisson did was just top top class. As someone who played this game, it is amazing how he had the vision and then the audacity along with skills to launch that ball perfectly so City keeper could not get to it before Salah.
Made by Allisson - astonishing goal. A great lesson for City.Beware when you move up so high and get caught in the no mans land with a ball over the top.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
"certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved."
Walker's positioning on the pitch is different though...more often than not he's the right side of the back 3.
He times his ovelaps quite well though
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hes often beat easily too or makes a mistake, he has one top asset though, insane recovery speed. Its not so much hes an outstanding defender, far from it.
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Recovery pace or not Walker is a way better defender than Trent and Cancelo.
posted on 17/10/22
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
Lets face it, hes been that good that people have to find a stick to Trent with and go over the top with it. A lot of it is how hes asked to play too if we're honest. This is probably the second time since bursting onto the scene at 18 hes been in poor form but the first time where in his defence the entire team has been awful too and have done him no favours.
Hes what 24? still 4/5 years off a defenders peak age. Needs to improve in attitude imo ive seen him show he can defend well multiple times but thats rarely highlighted when he does. However he doesnt show the same attitude and desire to defend as he does attack. He could certainly react faster to get back in position for example and be more aggressive in defending.
Ive seen Walker and RJ cost their teams including England but its never mentioned, certainly not to the extent it is with Trent. And these guys play in teams with much more protection than trent gets in liverpools at rb.
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When has James cost his team?
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 1 hour ago
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 47 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC {Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
"certainly not Walker who has had to deal with a lot of issues on his flank but he at least worked on his game and improved."
Walker's positioning on the pitch is different though...more often than not he's the right side of the back 3.
He times his ovelaps quite well though
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hes often beat easily too or makes a mistake, he has one top asset though, insane recovery speed. Its not so much hes an outstanding defender, far from it.
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Recovery pace or not Walker is a way better defender than Trent and Cancelo.
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Yeah I back Walker in a 1v1
posted on 17/10/22
Too bad he isn't a better player than TAA.
posted on 17/10/22
but imagine the coverage if Trent got spun like a terribly executed hoola hoop spin.
-/
That happens every game?
posted on 17/10/22
comment by Ole dirty Baztard - penited and penandes (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
but imagine the coverage if Trent got spun like a terribly executed hoola hoop spin.
-/
That happens every game?
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TAA weakness is in other areas of defending. You're confusing him with Maguire, the English Baresi.
posted on 17/10/22
I’ve seen quite a bit of criticism of Cancelo. Most things I’ve read have been more praising of Alisson and Salah though so you can’t really have both to an extreme.
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