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Reminder once again that levy refused to give Poch the extra five million to sign Fernandez.
Levy is the problem at spurs. He has overseen 20 years of failure.
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We got what most of us expected last night but the performance was much worse than I feared
United played and pressed us well , their fitness levels are much improved but let’s not get away from the fact we certainly made them look even better than they were
We were awful
The worse performance under conte potentially
Maybe Culer is right about Conte? He can’t handle more than a game a week as he has no idea how to rotate and get the best out of fringe players
It’s all well and good getting the best out of your best players but the true test is getting the best out of your squad
Conte has lost three games all season. He is a proven winner.
I cannot believe people are questioning him
The damage levy has inflicted on the team since 2019 is substantial and will take more than 12 months to undo. We are lucky to have conte right now. If he gets another top four finish this year, we can push on. There is no one else I would rather in charge right now.
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 7 minutes ago
100% agree Don.
Conte said in his post-match that the players were scared and lacked ambition. Fack me, what a bunch of losers.
I think the massive problem is that we couldn’t sell NDom, GLC, Winks, Reggie. They will all be returning in the summer.
Just a poorly run club on the playing side whilst they hoover up land assets for the board.
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Pathetic mate. Watch the usual Hugo Lloris “we must learn line” at some point today
Conte has lost three games all season.
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Beaten a lot of teams who will be in the relegation scrap and failed to beat any of the teams who will be around you in the fight for top 4.
To use Sandy's language, you are just flat track bullies.
Brighton is your biggest win, but that is a team who had just lost their manager and haven't won a game since Potter left.
I'm not sure it is the players fault. You have 4 attacking players of note and 2 are injured. Needing Bryan Gil to change things off the bench regularly is rather fanciful.
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Conte has lost three games all season.
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Beaten a lot of teams who will be in the relegation scrap and failed to beat any of the teams who will be around you in the fight for top 4.
To use Sandy's language, you are just flat track bullies.
Brighton is your biggest win, but that is a team who had just lost their manager and haven't won a game since Potter left.
I'm not sure it is the players fault. You have 4 attacking players of note and 2 are injured. Needing Bryan Gil to change things off the bench regularly is rather fanciful.
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I can’t disagree about not beating the top four yet this season, however all of those games have been away from home.
Arsenal lost at United. Liverpool lost at United.
We will be fine. We are top four with most of our hardest away games gone.
I still think we will finish above Arsenal
What amazed me about this match is that it was 0-0 at HT. That was a tremendous amount of luck.
We lost the midfield ....Bissouma is not what Conte had hoped. Our squad lacks a real leader, a KDB or even Fernandes.
Why on earth Conte started Davies instead of Lenglet? Someone explain, please!
It is true our squad is rather "thin", and when two go-to players are out, Richarleson and Kulusevski, its going to be a hard night.
But why not try Skipp in place of Bissouma?
At least at HT.
Even so, their first goal was a deflection.
And their second ....we were caught chasing the match.
I do not slate Dier, I think he played well uner the circumstances, as did Romero.
And Lloris was MOM.
THAT says it all!
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comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 minute ago
I thought Dier and Romero looked very shaky from the start and the whole fan nying about with it at the back just added to the nervousness.
It doesn’t help when even if we do get up the other end, we just stop and pass all the way back to our own half. It’s painful to watch.
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I think Dier is bang average as is Davies. Romero, Lenglet and we need to buy another top quality CB. Dier, Davies etc need to be squad players at best, not starters.
2 games lost all league season does not worry me too much, we never normally get much from those games and have had very good seasons before. It’s more the manner of the defeats that worries me, lack of structure and defensively weak. Beating the lesser teams should be a given for any team aiming high, what we get from the rest of our games against the top 6 will be crucial in finishing as high as possible.
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We got completely bossed by a team with the likes of Fred, Dalot, Sancho and Rashford...all teams bar City have weak areas of their squad/first X1.
Last night, and the pathetic performances v Arsenal and Chelsea are all on Conte.
He needs to sort things out soon. Jose was top of the league at a similar stage of the season just sneaking points. If we don't start improving performances our results are going to drop off.
I think there’s inevitably going to be an overreaction on all sides after a game like that.
Ultimately, you’re right - Spurs are not at the top table because Levy hasn’t invested as much as he would need to, in order to make that happen.
Conte will have to play a full brand of football to win trophies I think… much like Mourinho did with United.
Should Levy open the purse strings further?
Difficult when the league is dominated by City, and could be seen as a gamble, but with the match winners in the squad and the new stadium, it’s hard not to think Spurs could and should have been winning something in recent years.
We play with far too much fear. If I see Hojberg get in an advanced position, then check back and play backwards one more time, I'm gonna scream!!!
Conte's negative style is certainly not helping us but, as we all know, recruitment has long been a problem.
Currently, only Lloris, Romero, Bentancur, Kane, Son, Kulu and Richarlison are worth keeping. That means we need a RWB, LWB, 2xCBs, at least one CM and a no.10 type player, just to have a strong 1st team.
We're miles off at the moment.
Contes risk averse football does not suit the squad of players that we have. we sit back and try to defend when our strengths are in attack further up the pitch, Perisic over Sessegnon and Davies over Lenglet and its not that he hasnt had time to sort some of these issues, he has had a lot more time than Ten Hag to sort out the team, i doubt that Conte will ever change he cant
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 13 minutes ago
Contes risk averse football does not suit the squad of players that we have. we sit back and try to defend when our strengths are in attack further up the pitch, Perisic over Sessegnon and Davies over Lenglet and its not that he hasnt had time to sort some of these issues, he has had a lot more time than Ten Hag to sort out the team, i doubt that Conte will ever change he cant
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Conte has his faults, but he isn’t the problem mate. No manager is getting more out of this lot. It’s Daniel Levy not investing anywhere near enough on quality
tbh, I don't think we were ever going to solve all our problems in just two transfer windows. We did good business in January and again in the summer.
The squad is still lacking quality but, if the rumours are true, Levy is trying to extend Conte's contract with the carrot of providing him with a suitable transfer budget for the length of his contract. So we're moving in the right direction (if Conte's signs) and Levy seems to have learned from his mistakes.
Therefore, last night's performance was not really down to Levy in my opinion. But I do agree that we need to replace the remaining average players over the next couple of windows.
Don, whilst I agree with your assessment. Dier and Davies I said need replacing. Spurs have sent plenty of better sides than the current one, go to places like Old Trafford, and they never turn up.
This is not unique to the Conte era, every manager since Billy Nick have had pretty well the same results at the so called big boys.
Poch teams hardly ever turned up in the big away games, neither did Redknapps, neither did practically in other manager in my lifetime, other than during the Billy Nick era.
So I am not overly concerned, it is what it is.
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
2 games lost all league season does not worry me too much, we never normally get much from those games and have had very good seasons before. It’s more the manner of the defeats that worries me, lack of structure and defensively weak. Beating the lesser teams should be a given for any team aiming high, what we get from the rest of our games against the top 6 will be crucial in finishing as high as possible.
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Bennyville, I agree losing at United is no big deal. And I have pointed out on my article, that all the other so called big teams, have also lost their big away games, so not really any big deals.
The key of doing well in the Prem, is not dropping points to the so called smaller teams. Spurs seem to have sorted that out this season, by winning all seven of their games against those kind of teams.
Chelsea last night dropped points at Brentford, but their fans are not going into meltdown like ours do on a regular basis after every loss.
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comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Conte has lost three games all season.
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Beaten a lot of teams who will be in the relegation scrap and failed to beat any of the teams who will be around you in the fight for top 4.
To use Sandy's language, you are just flat track bullies.
Brighton is your biggest win, but that is a team who had just lost their manager and haven't won a game since Potter left.
I'm not sure it is the players fault. You have 4 attacking players of note and 2 are injured. Needing Bryan Gil to change things off the bench regularly is rather fanciful.
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I can’t disagree about not beating the top four yet this season, however all of those games have been away from home.
Arsenal lost at United. Liverpool lost at United.
We will be fine. We are top four with most of our hardest away games gone.
I still think we will finish above Arsenal
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Amusing how all the so called big teams, have failed to pick a point up on their travels to all the so called big teams, and DJ is saying Spurs are flat track bullies.
Arsenal will lose at Spurs, Anfield, Etihad. So, there is absolutely no difference in the mentality of the two clubs in reality.
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 19 minutes ago
tbh, I don't think we were ever going to solve all our problems in just two transfer windows. We did good business in January and again in the summer.
The squad is still lacking quality but, if the rumours are true, Levy is trying to extend Conte's contract with the carrot of providing him with a suitable transfer budget for the length of his contract. So we're moving in the right direction (if Conte's signs) and Levy seems to have learned from his mistakes.
Therefore, last night's performance was not really down to Levy in my opinion. But I do agree that we need to replace the remaining average players over the next couple of windows.
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Agree, Spurs are two CBs and an attacking midfielder short of really being a challenger for the Prem. It was never going to be done in a couple of windows. Conte knows the problem areas, and I trust him to sort them out over the next couple of windows.
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posted on 20/10/22
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posted on 20/10/22
Reminder once again that levy refused to give Poch the extra five million to sign Fernandez.
Levy is the problem at spurs. He has overseen 20 years of failure.
posted on 20/10/22
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posted on 20/10/22
We got what most of us expected last night but the performance was much worse than I feared
United played and pressed us well , their fitness levels are much improved but let’s not get away from the fact we certainly made them look even better than they were
We were awful
The worse performance under conte potentially
Maybe Culer is right about Conte? He can’t handle more than a game a week as he has no idea how to rotate and get the best out of fringe players
It’s all well and good getting the best out of your best players but the true test is getting the best out of your squad
posted on 20/10/22
Conte has lost three games all season. He is a proven winner.
I cannot believe people are questioning him
The damage levy has inflicted on the team since 2019 is substantial and will take more than 12 months to undo. We are lucky to have conte right now. If he gets another top four finish this year, we can push on. There is no one else I would rather in charge right now.
posted on 20/10/22
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 7 minutes ago
100% agree Don.
Conte said in his post-match that the players were scared and lacked ambition. Fack me, what a bunch of losers.
I think the massive problem is that we couldn’t sell NDom, GLC, Winks, Reggie. They will all be returning in the summer.
Just a poorly run club on the playing side whilst they hoover up land assets for the board.
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Pathetic mate. Watch the usual Hugo Lloris “we must learn line” at some point today
posted on 20/10/22
Conte has lost three games all season.
======
Beaten a lot of teams who will be in the relegation scrap and failed to beat any of the teams who will be around you in the fight for top 4.
To use Sandy's language, you are just flat track bullies.
Brighton is your biggest win, but that is a team who had just lost their manager and haven't won a game since Potter left.
I'm not sure it is the players fault. You have 4 attacking players of note and 2 are injured. Needing Bryan Gil to change things off the bench regularly is rather fanciful.
posted on 20/10/22
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Conte has lost three games all season.
======
Beaten a lot of teams who will be in the relegation scrap and failed to beat any of the teams who will be around you in the fight for top 4.
To use Sandy's language, you are just flat track bullies.
Brighton is your biggest win, but that is a team who had just lost their manager and haven't won a game since Potter left.
I'm not sure it is the players fault. You have 4 attacking players of note and 2 are injured. Needing Bryan Gil to change things off the bench regularly is rather fanciful.
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I can’t disagree about not beating the top four yet this season, however all of those games have been away from home.
Arsenal lost at United. Liverpool lost at United.
We will be fine. We are top four with most of our hardest away games gone.
I still think we will finish above Arsenal
posted on 20/10/22
What amazed me about this match is that it was 0-0 at HT. That was a tremendous amount of luck.
We lost the midfield ....Bissouma is not what Conte had hoped. Our squad lacks a real leader, a KDB or even Fernandes.
Why on earth Conte started Davies instead of Lenglet? Someone explain, please!
It is true our squad is rather "thin", and when two go-to players are out, Richarleson and Kulusevski, its going to be a hard night.
But why not try Skipp in place of Bissouma?
At least at HT.
Even so, their first goal was a deflection.
And their second ....we were caught chasing the match.
I do not slate Dier, I think he played well uner the circumstances, as did Romero.
And Lloris was MOM.
THAT says it all!
posted on 20/10/22
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posted on 20/10/22
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 minute ago
I thought Dier and Romero looked very shaky from the start and the whole fan nying about with it at the back just added to the nervousness.
It doesn’t help when even if we do get up the other end, we just stop and pass all the way back to our own half. It’s painful to watch.
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I think Dier is bang average as is Davies. Romero, Lenglet and we need to buy another top quality CB. Dier, Davies etc need to be squad players at best, not starters.
posted on 20/10/22
2 games lost all league season does not worry me too much, we never normally get much from those games and have had very good seasons before. It’s more the manner of the defeats that worries me, lack of structure and defensively weak. Beating the lesser teams should be a given for any team aiming high, what we get from the rest of our games against the top 6 will be crucial in finishing as high as possible.
posted on 20/10/22
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posted on 20/10/22
We got completely bossed by a team with the likes of Fred, Dalot, Sancho and Rashford...all teams bar City have weak areas of their squad/first X1.
Last night, and the pathetic performances v Arsenal and Chelsea are all on Conte.
He needs to sort things out soon. Jose was top of the league at a similar stage of the season just sneaking points. If we don't start improving performances our results are going to drop off.
posted on 20/10/22
I think there’s inevitably going to be an overreaction on all sides after a game like that.
Ultimately, you’re right - Spurs are not at the top table because Levy hasn’t invested as much as he would need to, in order to make that happen.
Conte will have to play a full brand of football to win trophies I think… much like Mourinho did with United.
Should Levy open the purse strings further?
Difficult when the league is dominated by City, and could be seen as a gamble, but with the match winners in the squad and the new stadium, it’s hard not to think Spurs could and should have been winning something in recent years.
posted on 20/10/22
We play with far too much fear. If I see Hojberg get in an advanced position, then check back and play backwards one more time, I'm gonna scream!!!
Conte's negative style is certainly not helping us but, as we all know, recruitment has long been a problem.
Currently, only Lloris, Romero, Bentancur, Kane, Son, Kulu and Richarlison are worth keeping. That means we need a RWB, LWB, 2xCBs, at least one CM and a no.10 type player, just to have a strong 1st team.
We're miles off at the moment.
posted on 20/10/22
Contes risk averse football does not suit the squad of players that we have. we sit back and try to defend when our strengths are in attack further up the pitch, Perisic over Sessegnon and Davies over Lenglet and its not that he hasnt had time to sort some of these issues, he has had a lot more time than Ten Hag to sort out the team, i doubt that Conte will ever change he cant
posted on 20/10/22
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 13 minutes ago
Contes risk averse football does not suit the squad of players that we have. we sit back and try to defend when our strengths are in attack further up the pitch, Perisic over Sessegnon and Davies over Lenglet and its not that he hasnt had time to sort some of these issues, he has had a lot more time than Ten Hag to sort out the team, i doubt that Conte will ever change he cant
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Conte has his faults, but he isn’t the problem mate. No manager is getting more out of this lot. It’s Daniel Levy not investing anywhere near enough on quality
posted on 20/10/22
tbh, I don't think we were ever going to solve all our problems in just two transfer windows. We did good business in January and again in the summer.
The squad is still lacking quality but, if the rumours are true, Levy is trying to extend Conte's contract with the carrot of providing him with a suitable transfer budget for the length of his contract. So we're moving in the right direction (if Conte's signs) and Levy seems to have learned from his mistakes.
Therefore, last night's performance was not really down to Levy in my opinion. But I do agree that we need to replace the remaining average players over the next couple of windows.
posted on 20/10/22
Don, whilst I agree with your assessment. Dier and Davies I said need replacing. Spurs have sent plenty of better sides than the current one, go to places like Old Trafford, and they never turn up.
This is not unique to the Conte era, every manager since Billy Nick have had pretty well the same results at the so called big boys.
Poch teams hardly ever turned up in the big away games, neither did Redknapps, neither did practically in other manager in my lifetime, other than during the Billy Nick era.
So I am not overly concerned, it is what it is.
posted on 20/10/22
comment by Bennyville (U8058)
posted 1 hour, 29 minutes ago
2 games lost all league season does not worry me too much, we never normally get much from those games and have had very good seasons before. It’s more the manner of the defeats that worries me, lack of structure and defensively weak. Beating the lesser teams should be a given for any team aiming high, what we get from the rest of our games against the top 6 will be crucial in finishing as high as possible.
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Bennyville, I agree losing at United is no big deal. And I have pointed out on my article, that all the other so called big teams, have also lost their big away games, so not really any big deals.
The key of doing well in the Prem, is not dropping points to the so called smaller teams. Spurs seem to have sorted that out this season, by winning all seven of their games against those kind of teams.
Chelsea last night dropped points at Brentford, but their fans are not going into meltdown like ours do on a regular basis after every loss.
posted on 20/10/22
comment by Citizen Smeg. North London is alwhite (U6574)
posted 2 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 10 minutes ago
Conte has lost three games all season.
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Beaten a lot of teams who will be in the relegation scrap and failed to beat any of the teams who will be around you in the fight for top 4.
To use Sandy's language, you are just flat track bullies.
Brighton is your biggest win, but that is a team who had just lost their manager and haven't won a game since Potter left.
I'm not sure it is the players fault. You have 4 attacking players of note and 2 are injured. Needing Bryan Gil to change things off the bench regularly is rather fanciful.
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I can’t disagree about not beating the top four yet this season, however all of those games have been away from home.
Arsenal lost at United. Liverpool lost at United.
We will be fine. We are top four with most of our hardest away games gone.
I still think we will finish above Arsenal
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Amusing how all the so called big teams, have failed to pick a point up on their travels to all the so called big teams, and DJ is saying Spurs are flat track bullies.
Arsenal will lose at Spurs, Anfield, Etihad. So, there is absolutely no difference in the mentality of the two clubs in reality.
posted on 20/10/22
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 19 minutes ago
tbh, I don't think we were ever going to solve all our problems in just two transfer windows. We did good business in January and again in the summer.
The squad is still lacking quality but, if the rumours are true, Levy is trying to extend Conte's contract with the carrot of providing him with a suitable transfer budget for the length of his contract. So we're moving in the right direction (if Conte's signs) and Levy seems to have learned from his mistakes.
Therefore, last night's performance was not really down to Levy in my opinion. But I do agree that we need to replace the remaining average players over the next couple of windows.
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Agree, Spurs are two CBs and an attacking midfielder short of really being a challenger for the Prem. It was never going to be done in a couple of windows. Conte knows the problem areas, and I trust him to sort them out over the next couple of windows.
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