comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
Yeah that’s pretty much the problem. But then it’s also where luck comes into it, for example, say we start to peak when Pep leaves. Because as well as City are run, Pep is the man that has led to the success that they’ve had. The man is just a cheat code for league titles. There isn’t anyone that I can see replacing that level of success, so hopefully there’s a huge drop off at a time where we’re looking like going places under ETH.
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Yeah they might not be able to replicate Pep’s league success perfectly but if they got (which they would) another top manager in or several (chelsea style) over a period of time, I can see them continuing to win very regularly as long as the team is maintained bit by bit like now. Next for them will be when KDB needs replacing. They have such an excellent platform right now that I can see them doing what we did through the nineties and 00s.
I think we should all shut up and just let him get on with it… every time we build people up, we set them up to fail.
Unpopular opinion, I know.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 seconds ago
I think we should all shut up and just let him get on with it… every time we build people up, we set them up to fail.
Unpopular opinion, I know.
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Not like you to end a debate rather than encouraging one
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 seconds ago
I think we should all shut up and just let him get on with it… every time we build people up, we set them up to fail.
Unpopular opinion, I know.
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Not like you to end a debate rather than encouraging one
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Give me time mate
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 28 minutes ago
Would love us to start upping the GD a bit but that’s where we’re short atm, funnily enough the only 2 occasions where we’ve managed more than 2 goals in the league have been against the top 2 sides
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FACKING low block and the lack of a good striker
SatNav, yeah I think the same. Which is why we’ll need to be lucky with any timing that they fall off a bit. It’s possible to luck into that under these owners, that’s all I’m clinging to regarding a league title.
But ultimately what I’m most wanting to see is a commitment to exciting, attacking football. ETH is the first time we’ve brought in a manager that has those ideals. If and when he’s replaced the least we should expect is a continuation of that. If success comes with that then it comes. But if not at least we aren’t going to be bored to tears.
The game against Spurs perfectly illustrated why I didn’t want Conte. Would we be better right now had we brought him in to replace Ole? I suspect so, but would it be worth it when we saw a performance like that from ETH’s United against said manager? Not a chance.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 22 seconds ago
If and when United start to win stuff under ETH, he will become the man.
Until then....
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Sure but what’s your gut feeling so far? Do you think he will become the man or go wrong in some way, likely similar to those before him?
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TBH I cant see United been better than City at anytime soon in the future whilst Pep is still there. And Im sure the set up at City will cope better with Pep being replaced that United under Glazers were when Fergie and Gill left irrespective of who the new manager would be. Basically our problems on the pitch have been self inflicted by those off it for years. I also regard Ronaldo a recent consequence of off pitch meddling (I dont for one minute believe that Ole requested his signing) and I dont think that ETHs job can start rebuilding properly until Ronaldo leaves and he gets his own centre forward. It will be a long road for United but ETH has made a decent start.
Though Chelsea will be strong
I know we'll carry on
'Cause if there's somebody calling me on
He's the one
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 59 seconds ago
Though Chelsea will be strong
I know we'll carry on
'Cause if there's somebody calling me on
He's the one
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I hope that’s World party and not the fat dancer
If only Fred could play like that on a consistent basis.
The trouble with him is he’s either a MOTM contender or the worst player on the pitch.
There’s rarely in an in between.
ETH has not been flawless but he has impressed me so far.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 seconds ago
If only Fred could play like that on a consistent basis.
The trouble with him is he’s either a MOTM contender or the worst player on the pitch.
There’s rarely in an in between.
ETH has not been flawless but he has impressed me so far.
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To be fair to him though, how often have we played to his strengths? We say this about the likes of Pogba but it’s true of Fred as well. I don’t remember him being paired with Matic very often, so he’s hardly ever played in his best role - he has usually been with McTominay, where they’re both having to be DMs precisely because neither of them is a DM. Put him with a proper DM (and one he knows at that) and he plays well.
Fred does suit certain games as well. It’s not a surprise he tends to play better in the bigger games when we aren’t dominating possession like against the smaller sides. Even against Spurs it wasn’t like we had 60% possession.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 31 seconds ago
Fred does suit certain games as well. It’s not a surprise he tends to play better in the bigger games when we aren’t dominating possession like against the smaller sides. Even against Spurs it wasn’t like we had 60% possession.
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McFred is sometimes a gamble that pays off in big games for this reason really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVaRHJn_dgM
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 seconds ago
If only Fred could play like that on a consistent basis.
The trouble with him is he’s either a MOTM contender or the worst player on the pitch.
There’s rarely in an in between.
ETH has not been flawless but he has impressed me so far.
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To be fair to him though, how often have we played to his strengths? We say this about the likes of Pogba but it’s true of Fred as well. I don’t remember him being paired with Matic very often, so he’s hardly ever played in his best role - he has usually been with McTominay, where they’re both having to be DMs precisely because neither of them is a DM. Put him with a proper DM (and one he knows at that) and he plays well.
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Not gonna disagree totally but he was terrible against Newcastle last Sunday beside Casemiro.
He’s also been very good beside McTominay on occasions.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 seconds ago
If only Fred could play like that on a consistent basis.
The trouble with him is he’s either a MOTM contender or the worst player on the pitch.
There’s rarely in an in between.
ETH has not been flawless but he has impressed me so far.
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To be fair to him though, how often have we played to his strengths? We say this about the likes of Pogba but it’s true of Fred as well. I don’t remember him being paired with Matic very often, so he’s hardly ever played in his best role - he has usually been with McTominay, where they’re both having to be DMs precisely because neither of them is a DM. Put him with a proper DM (and one he knows at that) and he plays well.
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Not gonna disagree totally but he was terrible against Newcastle last Sunday beside Casemiro.
He’s also been very good beside McTominay on occasions.
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Both true. For the first - I said at the time that Fred often takes a few games to get going.
For the second - he’s capable of playing with McTominay and it sometimes works, but it doesn’t really get the best out of either of them. To me they’re both box-to-box destroyers who need to be all over the pitch. McTominay probably has more goals in him but all round I prefer Fred. Together though, they both have to play as a sort of double DM and it doesn’t help either player or the team.
I agree with all that Clockwork.
However it’s his 5th season now and we still have no idea what Fred we’re going to get every time he lines up for us.
He’s a real asset when playing well so hopefully he can finally find some sort of consistency.
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 31 seconds ago
Fred does suit certain games as well. It’s not a surprise he tends to play better in the bigger games when we aren’t dominating possession like against the smaller sides. Even against Spurs it wasn’t like we had 60% possession.
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McFred is sometimes a gamble that pays off in big games for this reason really.
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Yeah it’s paid off plenty of times. But we’ll need to start looking to be more competitive with the ball in that area which ETH clearly knows.
Winning the World Cup with Casemiro will help!
I think he's the one to get us playing more coherently and more consistently "well" in terms of actually putting in entertaining performances where you think at full time "I really enjoyed that."
That has rarely been the case for God knows how long. Even when results were good under Jose and Ole, I rarely had that feeling. Ole after lockdown being the one exception, where I really did enjoy our football in the latter part of that season.
In terms of where that will take us in terms of league position, it's hard to say as the likes of City, Arsenal and Liverpool are all strong, in spite of Liverpool's early season struggles. And Newcastle will only get better. I haven't mentioned Spurs yet as they are distinctly unimpressive and their football stinks. But it is still working for them to an extent.
On the whole, it's been better than expected. More importantly, there has been a general upward trajectory since even the wins against Southampton and Leicester which weren't overly impressive. Regardless of the result tomorrow, I'm hopeful and fairly confident that will continue
Got a good laugh this evening.
Went home to visit my parents for the weekend.
My mam who knows nothing about football other than the fact I support United says to me “I see that brat Ronaldo is at it again”
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 39 minutes ago
Got a good laugh this evening.
Went home to visit my parents for the weekend.
My mam who knows nothing about football other than the fact I support United says to me “I see that brat Ronaldo is at it again”
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He needs a good clip round the ear.
Fred is consistent alright, always somewhere between a 1 and 4. How anyone is fooled by his goal ( a lame effort on goal) and his assist ( failed attempt to beat a defender) is beyond me. His only consistent is his unpredictability, misplaced passes his speciality, followed by the one arm raised apology.
comment by garynevillesmoustache (U1910)
posted 2 minutes ago
Fred is consistent alright, always somewhere between a 1 and 4. How anyone is fooled by his goal ( a lame effort on goal) and his assist ( failed attempt to beat a defender) is beyond me. His only consistent is his unpredictability, misplaced passes his speciality, followed by the one arm raised apology.
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I like fred. He's a baller.
He just needs to stay away from the final third or just practice how to shoot a football towards a goal, you know things we did in school and football training?
These geezas probably spend all their free time honing their FIFA skills.
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posted on 21/10/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
Yeah that’s pretty much the problem. But then it’s also where luck comes into it, for example, say we start to peak when Pep leaves. Because as well as City are run, Pep is the man that has led to the success that they’ve had. The man is just a cheat code for league titles. There isn’t anyone that I can see replacing that level of success, so hopefully there’s a huge drop off at a time where we’re looking like going places under ETH.
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Yeah they might not be able to replicate Pep’s league success perfectly but if they got (which they would) another top manager in or several (chelsea style) over a period of time, I can see them continuing to win very regularly as long as the team is maintained bit by bit like now. Next for them will be when KDB needs replacing. They have such an excellent platform right now that I can see them doing what we did through the nineties and 00s.
posted on 21/10/22
I think we should all shut up and just let him get on with it… every time we build people up, we set them up to fail.
Unpopular opinion, I know.
posted on 21/10/22
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 seconds ago
I think we should all shut up and just let him get on with it… every time we build people up, we set them up to fail.
Unpopular opinion, I know.
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Not like you to end a debate rather than encouraging one
posted on 21/10/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 14 seconds ago
I think we should all shut up and just let him get on with it… every time we build people up, we set them up to fail.
Unpopular opinion, I know.
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Not like you to end a debate rather than encouraging one
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Give me time mate
posted on 21/10/22
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 28 minutes ago
Would love us to start upping the GD a bit but that’s where we’re short atm, funnily enough the only 2 occasions where we’ve managed more than 2 goals in the league have been against the top 2 sides
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FACKING low block and the lack of a good striker
posted on 21/10/22
SatNav, yeah I think the same. Which is why we’ll need to be lucky with any timing that they fall off a bit. It’s possible to luck into that under these owners, that’s all I’m clinging to regarding a league title.
But ultimately what I’m most wanting to see is a commitment to exciting, attacking football. ETH is the first time we’ve brought in a manager that has those ideals. If and when he’s replaced the least we should expect is a continuation of that. If success comes with that then it comes. But if not at least we aren’t going to be bored to tears.
The game against Spurs perfectly illustrated why I didn’t want Conte. Would we be better right now had we brought him in to replace Ole? I suspect so, but would it be worth it when we saw a performance like that from ETH’s United against said manager? Not a chance.
posted on 21/10/22
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 22 seconds ago
If and when United start to win stuff under ETH, he will become the man.
Until then....
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Sure but what’s your gut feeling so far? Do you think he will become the man or go wrong in some way, likely similar to those before him?
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TBH I cant see United been better than City at anytime soon in the future whilst Pep is still there. And Im sure the set up at City will cope better with Pep being replaced that United under Glazers were when Fergie and Gill left irrespective of who the new manager would be. Basically our problems on the pitch have been self inflicted by those off it for years. I also regard Ronaldo a recent consequence of off pitch meddling (I dont for one minute believe that Ole requested his signing) and I dont think that ETHs job can start rebuilding properly until Ronaldo leaves and he gets his own centre forward. It will be a long road for United but ETH has made a decent start.
posted on 21/10/22
Though Chelsea will be strong
I know we'll carry on
'Cause if there's somebody calling me on
He's the one
posted on 21/10/22
comment by Jalisco Red - The Axis of Ant[h]ony (U4195)
posted 59 seconds ago
Though Chelsea will be strong
I know we'll carry on
'Cause if there's somebody calling me on
He's the one
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I hope that’s World party and not the fat dancer
posted on 22/10/22
If only Fred could play like that on a consistent basis.
The trouble with him is he’s either a MOTM contender or the worst player on the pitch.
There’s rarely in an in between.
ETH has not been flawless but he has impressed me so far.
posted on 22/10/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 seconds ago
If only Fred could play like that on a consistent basis.
The trouble with him is he’s either a MOTM contender or the worst player on the pitch.
There’s rarely in an in between.
ETH has not been flawless but he has impressed me so far.
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To be fair to him though, how often have we played to his strengths? We say this about the likes of Pogba but it’s true of Fred as well. I don’t remember him being paired with Matic very often, so he’s hardly ever played in his best role - he has usually been with McTominay, where they’re both having to be DMs precisely because neither of them is a DM. Put him with a proper DM (and one he knows at that) and he plays well.
posted on 22/10/22
Fred does suit certain games as well. It’s not a surprise he tends to play better in the bigger games when we aren’t dominating possession like against the smaller sides. Even against Spurs it wasn’t like we had 60% possession.
posted on 22/10/22
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 31 seconds ago
Fred does suit certain games as well. It’s not a surprise he tends to play better in the bigger games when we aren’t dominating possession like against the smaller sides. Even against Spurs it wasn’t like we had 60% possession.
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McFred is sometimes a gamble that pays off in big games for this reason really.
posted on 22/10/22
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVaRHJn_dgM
posted on 22/10/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 seconds ago
If only Fred could play like that on a consistent basis.
The trouble with him is he’s either a MOTM contender or the worst player on the pitch.
There’s rarely in an in between.
ETH has not been flawless but he has impressed me so far.
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To be fair to him though, how often have we played to his strengths? We say this about the likes of Pogba but it’s true of Fred as well. I don’t remember him being paired with Matic very often, so he’s hardly ever played in his best role - he has usually been with McTominay, where they’re both having to be DMs precisely because neither of them is a DM. Put him with a proper DM (and one he knows at that) and he plays well.
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Not gonna disagree totally but he was terrible against Newcastle last Sunday beside Casemiro.
He’s also been very good beside McTominay on occasions.
posted on 22/10/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 9 seconds ago
If only Fred could play like that on a consistent basis.
The trouble with him is he’s either a MOTM contender or the worst player on the pitch.
There’s rarely in an in between.
ETH has not been flawless but he has impressed me so far.
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To be fair to him though, how often have we played to his strengths? We say this about the likes of Pogba but it’s true of Fred as well. I don’t remember him being paired with Matic very often, so he’s hardly ever played in his best role - he has usually been with McTominay, where they’re both having to be DMs precisely because neither of them is a DM. Put him with a proper DM (and one he knows at that) and he plays well.
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Not gonna disagree totally but he was terrible against Newcastle last Sunday beside Casemiro.
He’s also been very good beside McTominay on occasions.
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Both true. For the first - I said at the time that Fred often takes a few games to get going.
For the second - he’s capable of playing with McTominay and it sometimes works, but it doesn’t really get the best out of either of them. To me they’re both box-to-box destroyers who need to be all over the pitch. McTominay probably has more goals in him but all round I prefer Fred. Together though, they both have to play as a sort of double DM and it doesn’t help either player or the team.
posted on 22/10/22
I agree with all that Clockwork.
However it’s his 5th season now and we still have no idea what Fred we’re going to get every time he lines up for us.
He’s a real asset when playing well so hopefully he can finally find some sort of consistency.
posted on 22/10/22
comment by Clockwork Red: Jadon and the Argonauts (U4892)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 31 seconds ago
Fred does suit certain games as well. It’s not a surprise he tends to play better in the bigger games when we aren’t dominating possession like against the smaller sides. Even against Spurs it wasn’t like we had 60% possession.
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McFred is sometimes a gamble that pays off in big games for this reason really.
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Yeah it’s paid off plenty of times. But we’ll need to start looking to be more competitive with the ball in that area which ETH clearly knows.
posted on 22/10/22
Winning the World Cup with Casemiro will help!
posted on 22/10/22
I think he's the one to get us playing more coherently and more consistently "well" in terms of actually putting in entertaining performances where you think at full time "I really enjoyed that."
That has rarely been the case for God knows how long. Even when results were good under Jose and Ole, I rarely had that feeling. Ole after lockdown being the one exception, where I really did enjoy our football in the latter part of that season.
In terms of where that will take us in terms of league position, it's hard to say as the likes of City, Arsenal and Liverpool are all strong, in spite of Liverpool's early season struggles. And Newcastle will only get better. I haven't mentioned Spurs yet as they are distinctly unimpressive and their football stinks. But it is still working for them to an extent.
On the whole, it's been better than expected. More importantly, there has been a general upward trajectory since even the wins against Southampton and Leicester which weren't overly impressive. Regardless of the result tomorrow, I'm hopeful and fairly confident that will continue
posted on 22/10/22
Got a good laugh this evening.
Went home to visit my parents for the weekend.
My mam who knows nothing about football other than the fact I support United says to me “I see that brat Ronaldo is at it again”
posted on 22/10/22
posted on 22/10/22
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 39 minutes ago
Got a good laugh this evening.
Went home to visit my parents for the weekend.
My mam who knows nothing about football other than the fact I support United says to me “I see that brat Ronaldo is at it again”
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He needs a good clip round the ear.
posted on 22/10/22
Fred is consistent alright, always somewhere between a 1 and 4. How anyone is fooled by his goal ( a lame effort on goal) and his assist ( failed attempt to beat a defender) is beyond me. His only consistent is his unpredictability, misplaced passes his speciality, followed by the one arm raised apology.
posted on 22/10/22
comment by garynevillesmoustache (U1910)
posted 2 minutes ago
Fred is consistent alright, always somewhere between a 1 and 4. How anyone is fooled by his goal ( a lame effort on goal) and his assist ( failed attempt to beat a defender) is beyond me. His only consistent is his unpredictability, misplaced passes his speciality, followed by the one arm raised apology.
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I like fred. He's a baller.
He just needs to stay away from the final third or just practice how to shoot a football towards a goal, you know things we did in school and football training?
These geezas probably spend all their free time honing their FIFA skills.
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