A defence that has players that constantly make the same mistakes will always be our downfall.
Hugo is hopeless at kicking and dier and Royal can’t cope when we play the better teams.
Until we get players in that can defend properly we will never change.
comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 9 minutes ago
A defence that has players that constantly make the same mistakes will always be our downfall.
Hugo is hopeless at kicking and dier and Royal can’t cope when we play the better teams.
Until we get players in that can defend properly we will never change.
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Exactly. Full of errors that defence, it’s an absolute shambles mate.
Agreed, Don, Hounslow.
People moan about us sitting back forgetting we've got Dier anchoring the back 3. Yeah Hugo has a panic in him but you don't see that with France.. Bastoni would've been great but if we were serious about having a go at the league we needed to buy Skriniar in the summer
Dier has always been average but he is as bad as I can remember at the moment
Awful against United and yesterday
Sanchez I expect it from but Dier is really off his game completely
Lloris is also in bad form
That’s our defensive spine and when both out of form we really are facked
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 36 seconds ago
Dier has always been average but he is as bad as I can remember at the moment
Awful against United and yesterday
Sanchez I expect it from but Dier is really off his game completely
Lloris is also in bad form
That’s our defensive spine and when both out of form we really are facked
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It’s not about form bud, they are just not good enough. Dier good performances have all coming from being protected in a the Conte system when it goes well. He’s never been good enough. Lloris is finished and Sanchez doesn’t even deserve a mention. An absolute clown.
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comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 54 seconds ago
And we won’t be able to shift them either m. Who’s going to pay what Levy would want for them? We’re going to end up with 12 odd players out on loan because Levy won’t accept what they’re actually worth.
There is zero turnover of players at Spurs
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He’s a joke chairman mate. Only thing he gives a s** about is making money on this stadium
I think Sess could be a great player for us. His main problem is confidence, it does not help that he plays one or two games and then is dropped for a couple of games. He needs a run of 8-10 games to give him a bit of confidence and I think he would start to improve. If he still is not performing consistently then he might not be good enough but he needs to be given a chance.
Yeah Hugo has a panic in him but you don't see that with France..
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That isn't true, he has had his fair share of clangers - including the biggest game of them all, the World Cup final.
Hard to say its been neglected, when this season alone Peresic, Spence, Lengelet, Udogie have been added to it (albeit one out on loan) and we know we were in the market for another CB.
Romero and Emerson the season before.
The recruitment may not be right (3 rb's and none of them great, Lengelet not brought in as 1st choice) but it's clear they know its an issue and trying to address it.
Doesn't help when the game plan is invite pressure on them but don't have a player capable of transitioning from defence to attack and so the pressure just comes back again...
Lloris was man of the match Wednesday, save after save to keep the score down.
Dier has been our most improved player under Conte but has had 2 very poor performances on the bounce.
Agree on Sanchez, we should have sold him, Davies, Royal, Doherty, Tanganga - all need to go.
I can’t agree on Spence as he simply hasn’t been given a chance yet. Sess is coming good.
RWB - we are arguably the weakest side in the Prem in this position, we just have schitt options here plus Spence who Conte is unwilling to try.
We have 4 Central midfielders that all play the same way and can’t create.
I put thr blame more on Conte than most. He doesn't seem to coach anything into the players. Top coaches make players better. Conte has not made one single player better. With a world class coach you would get more out of players like Sess for example. Instead, we see him sporadically and lacking confidence.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction under Conte. It's just the same thing game after game and it's dross each time.
Yea, we could do with some better players. But improving 3 or 4 of the ones we have now would show he is elite. He isn't.
I'd even go as far as to say that I wouldn't want Levy chucking loads of money on players with Conte in charge.
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Arsenal shat it on 16/01/22 - Todger (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lloris was man of the match Wednesday, save after save to keep the score down.
Dier has been our most improved player under Conte but has had 2 very poor performances on the bounce.
Agree on Sanchez, we should have sold him, Davies, Royal, Doherty, Tanganga - all need to go.
I can’t agree on Spence as he simply hasn’t been given a chance yet. Sess is coming good.
RWB - we are arguably the weakest side in the Prem in this position, we just have schitt options here plus Spence who Conte is unwilling to try.
We have 4 Central midfielders that all play the same way and can’t create.
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Hugo have superb games to keep the score down is one thing. Actually having a superb game to win us points is another. He makes too many mistakes... Goalkeeper needs to be changed in the summer 100%
Yesterday's back 5 wouldn't look out of place in a team battling relegation.
The club has two options, back Conte and spend big on at least a RWB and CB, or get rid and go back to a project manager. Conte is a top coach, but it's becoming apparent he's very inflexible. I don't see a successful season with the players we have available in a back 5.
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We tried to sign better centre backs but no one wanted to sell the players we wanted, the club tried, can’t force someone to sell.
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We tried to sign better centre backs but no one wanted to sell the players we wanted, the club tried, can’t force someone to sell.
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Bolloks. The club don’t push hard enough. If it means overpaying, then we overpay for the required quality. Going into the season with virtually the same s** defence is ridiculous
Whilst I don't disagree with the OP about the issues with our defense of far more concern is our attacking play. Davies, Dier and Sanchez are bang average. We have absolutely no plan when it comes to breaking teams down. Abysmal from such a highly paid and respected coach.
Spurs have a dreadful defence, that is why I have been advocating all season, two new CBs needed as a priority. The fact that Lloris as well looks like he is now finished is also not helping.
Going forward Doherty and Perisic surely have to be the wing backs going forward. Sessignon is never going to reach the level required in my opinion, and obviously Emerson is not flavour of the month.
Big couple of transfer windows coming up for Conte. Si many players need moving on.
That said I still expect Spurs to get top four this season, because the rest of the teams around Spurs are all hugely inconsistent as well.
If an alien landed from Mars and needed an introduction to Tottenham Hotspur football club yesterday would have been the ideal day to take them along to see what's what.
Other results went our way and it was a great opportunity to bounce back from our shocking OT performance.
However with several injuries our starting eleven was a bit iffy and our goalkeeper and captain decided to have one of his many off days (I so look forward to the day he's gone) and gave them both goals.
Like most I hoped that having got the goal back early in the second half it would lead to a Spurs onslaught but I don't remember their keeper making a save after that.
Newcastle are getting mega praise from the media but they weren't that great, as usual we gave it away.
In conclusion it was a disjointed mess and the players (Hugo in particular) deserved to be booed off.
As a side issue if Conte doesn't want to stay beyond this season then that's fine by me, I'm getting bored with him acting like he's bigger than the club. By now he should know whether he wants to hang around or fack off and many of he performances this season have been dull and underwhelming.
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
I put thr blame more on Conte than most. He doesn't seem to coach anything into the players. Top coaches make players better. Conte has not made one single player better. With a world class coach you would get more out of players like Sess for example. Instead, we see him sporadically and lacking confidence.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction under Conte. It's just the same thing game after game and it's dross each time.
Yea, we could do with some better players. But improving 3 or 4 of the ones we have now would show he is elite. He isn't.
I'd even go as far as to say that I wouldn't want Levy chucking loads of money on players with Conte in charge.
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Four different managers have tried to make Sessignon better. It just ain't going to happen. Same with about a dozen of our players. Lots should have been outed two or three seasons ago.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
I put thr blame more on Conte than most. He doesn't seem to coach anything into the players. Top coaches make players better. Conte has not made one single player better. With a world class coach you would get more out of players like Sess for example. Instead, we see him sporadically and lacking confidence.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction under Conte. It's just the same thing game after game and it's dross each time.
Yea, we could do with some better players. But improving 3 or 4 of the ones we have now would show he is elite. He isn't.
I'd even go as far as to say that I wouldn't want Levy chucking loads of money on players with Conte in charge.
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Four different managers have tried to make Sessignon better. It just ain't going to happen. Same with about a dozen of our players. Lots should have been outed two or three seasons ago.
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This. He has his faults Conte, but how can 4 managers not get a tune out of these players? It’s the current bunch of losers that are still here. It’s the pi** poor recruiting by Levy and Co
Despite Spurs form, I have been trying to get tickets for Arsenal and City this morning, and all tickets were sold out in 20 minutes.
The fecking ground aint big enough anymore. Everyone game is selling out this season in double quick time for some reason.
Highly frustrating, that for some reason everyone seems to want to go to watch Spurs this season.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
I put thr blame more on Conte than most. He doesn't seem to coach anything into the players. Top coaches make players better. Conte has not made one single player better. With a world class coach you would get more out of players like Sess for example. Instead, we see him sporadically and lacking confidence.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction under Conte. It's just the same thing game after game and it's dross each time.
Yea, we could do with some better players. But improving 3 or 4 of the ones we have now would show he is elite. He isn't.
I'd even go as far as to say that I wouldn't want Levy chucking loads of money on players with Conte in charge.
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Four different managers have tried to make Sessignon better. It just ain't going to happen. Same with about a dozen of our players. Lots should have been outed two or three seasons ago.
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This. He has his faults Conte, but how can 4 managers not get a tune out of these players? It’s the current bunch of losers that are still here. It’s the pi** poor recruiting by Levy and Co
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Don, I am astonished how players like Dier and Davies have become like first picks, when they were next to useless under even Poch. They both should have been moved on. Both plodders, and certainly not good enough for a CL team. Most of the other defenders also have their faults, but have not been at the club as long as those two I mentioned. I just cannot see how they keep getting picked.
Sandy, there are other ways of getting tickets mate. I got a ticket for the Fulham game through a friend on Twitter. You need to get the connections. My brother is a season ticket holder, so i can always get games from people he knows when they can’t make it
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posted on 24/10/22
A defence that has players that constantly make the same mistakes will always be our downfall.
Hugo is hopeless at kicking and dier and Royal can’t cope when we play the better teams.
Until we get players in that can defend properly we will never change.
posted on 24/10/22
comment by hounslows-finest (U6180)
posted 9 minutes ago
A defence that has players that constantly make the same mistakes will always be our downfall.
Hugo is hopeless at kicking and dier and Royal can’t cope when we play the better teams.
Until we get players in that can defend properly we will never change.
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Exactly. Full of errors that defence, it’s an absolute shambles mate.
posted on 24/10/22
Agreed, Don, Hounslow.
People moan about us sitting back forgetting we've got Dier anchoring the back 3. Yeah Hugo has a panic in him but you don't see that with France.. Bastoni would've been great but if we were serious about having a go at the league we needed to buy Skriniar in the summer
posted on 24/10/22
Dier has always been average but he is as bad as I can remember at the moment
Awful against United and yesterday
Sanchez I expect it from but Dier is really off his game completely
Lloris is also in bad form
That’s our defensive spine and when both out of form we really are facked
posted on 24/10/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 36 seconds ago
Dier has always been average but he is as bad as I can remember at the moment
Awful against United and yesterday
Sanchez I expect it from but Dier is really off his game completely
Lloris is also in bad form
That’s our defensive spine and when both out of form we really are facked
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It’s not about form bud, they are just not good enough. Dier good performances have all coming from being protected in a the Conte system when it goes well. He’s never been good enough. Lloris is finished and Sanchez doesn’t even deserve a mention. An absolute clown.
posted on 24/10/22
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posted on 24/10/22
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 54 seconds ago
And we won’t be able to shift them either m. Who’s going to pay what Levy would want for them? We’re going to end up with 12 odd players out on loan because Levy won’t accept what they’re actually worth.
There is zero turnover of players at Spurs
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He’s a joke chairman mate. Only thing he gives a s** about is making money on this stadium
posted on 24/10/22
I think Sess could be a great player for us. His main problem is confidence, it does not help that he plays one or two games and then is dropped for a couple of games. He needs a run of 8-10 games to give him a bit of confidence and I think he would start to improve. If he still is not performing consistently then he might not be good enough but he needs to be given a chance.
posted on 24/10/22
Yeah Hugo has a panic in him but you don't see that with France..
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That isn't true, he has had his fair share of clangers - including the biggest game of them all, the World Cup final.
posted on 24/10/22
Hard to say its been neglected, when this season alone Peresic, Spence, Lengelet, Udogie have been added to it (albeit one out on loan) and we know we were in the market for another CB.
Romero and Emerson the season before.
The recruitment may not be right (3 rb's and none of them great, Lengelet not brought in as 1st choice) but it's clear they know its an issue and trying to address it.
Doesn't help when the game plan is invite pressure on them but don't have a player capable of transitioning from defence to attack and so the pressure just comes back again...
posted on 24/10/22
Lloris was man of the match Wednesday, save after save to keep the score down.
Dier has been our most improved player under Conte but has had 2 very poor performances on the bounce.
Agree on Sanchez, we should have sold him, Davies, Royal, Doherty, Tanganga - all need to go.
I can’t agree on Spence as he simply hasn’t been given a chance yet. Sess is coming good.
RWB - we are arguably the weakest side in the Prem in this position, we just have schitt options here plus Spence who Conte is unwilling to try.
We have 4 Central midfielders that all play the same way and can’t create.
posted on 24/10/22
I put thr blame more on Conte than most. He doesn't seem to coach anything into the players. Top coaches make players better. Conte has not made one single player better. With a world class coach you would get more out of players like Sess for example. Instead, we see him sporadically and lacking confidence.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction under Conte. It's just the same thing game after game and it's dross each time.
Yea, we could do with some better players. But improving 3 or 4 of the ones we have now would show he is elite. He isn't.
I'd even go as far as to say that I wouldn't want Levy chucking loads of money on players with Conte in charge.
posted on 24/10/22
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Arsenal shat it on 16/01/22 - Todger (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
Lloris was man of the match Wednesday, save after save to keep the score down.
Dier has been our most improved player under Conte but has had 2 very poor performances on the bounce.
Agree on Sanchez, we should have sold him, Davies, Royal, Doherty, Tanganga - all need to go.
I can’t agree on Spence as he simply hasn’t been given a chance yet. Sess is coming good.
RWB - we are arguably the weakest side in the Prem in this position, we just have schitt options here plus Spence who Conte is unwilling to try.
We have 4 Central midfielders that all play the same way and can’t create.
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Hugo have superb games to keep the score down is one thing. Actually having a superb game to win us points is another. He makes too many mistakes... Goalkeeper needs to be changed in the summer 100%
posted on 24/10/22
Yesterday's back 5 wouldn't look out of place in a team battling relegation.
The club has two options, back Conte and spend big on at least a RWB and CB, or get rid and go back to a project manager. Conte is a top coach, but it's becoming apparent he's very inflexible. I don't see a successful season with the players we have available in a back 5.
posted on 24/10/22
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posted on 24/10/22
We tried to sign better centre backs but no one wanted to sell the players we wanted, the club tried, can’t force someone to sell.
posted on 24/10/22
comment by The Hybrid Doos (U10416)
posted 1 minute ago
We tried to sign better centre backs but no one wanted to sell the players we wanted, the club tried, can’t force someone to sell.
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Bolloks. The club don’t push hard enough. If it means overpaying, then we overpay for the required quality. Going into the season with virtually the same s** defence is ridiculous
posted on 24/10/22
Whilst I don't disagree with the OP about the issues with our defense of far more concern is our attacking play. Davies, Dier and Sanchez are bang average. We have absolutely no plan when it comes to breaking teams down. Abysmal from such a highly paid and respected coach.
posted on 24/10/22
Spurs have a dreadful defence, that is why I have been advocating all season, two new CBs needed as a priority. The fact that Lloris as well looks like he is now finished is also not helping.
Going forward Doherty and Perisic surely have to be the wing backs going forward. Sessignon is never going to reach the level required in my opinion, and obviously Emerson is not flavour of the month.
Big couple of transfer windows coming up for Conte. Si many players need moving on.
That said I still expect Spurs to get top four this season, because the rest of the teams around Spurs are all hugely inconsistent as well.
posted on 24/10/22
If an alien landed from Mars and needed an introduction to Tottenham Hotspur football club yesterday would have been the ideal day to take them along to see what's what.
Other results went our way and it was a great opportunity to bounce back from our shocking OT performance.
However with several injuries our starting eleven was a bit iffy and our goalkeeper and captain decided to have one of his many off days (I so look forward to the day he's gone) and gave them both goals.
Like most I hoped that having got the goal back early in the second half it would lead to a Spurs onslaught but I don't remember their keeper making a save after that.
Newcastle are getting mega praise from the media but they weren't that great, as usual we gave it away.
In conclusion it was a disjointed mess and the players (Hugo in particular) deserved to be booed off.
As a side issue if Conte doesn't want to stay beyond this season then that's fine by me, I'm getting bored with him acting like he's bigger than the club. By now he should know whether he wants to hang around or fack off and many of he performances this season have been dull and underwhelming.
posted on 24/10/22
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
I put thr blame more on Conte than most. He doesn't seem to coach anything into the players. Top coaches make players better. Conte has not made one single player better. With a world class coach you would get more out of players like Sess for example. Instead, we see him sporadically and lacking confidence.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction under Conte. It's just the same thing game after game and it's dross each time.
Yea, we could do with some better players. But improving 3 or 4 of the ones we have now would show he is elite. He isn't.
I'd even go as far as to say that I wouldn't want Levy chucking loads of money on players with Conte in charge.
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Four different managers have tried to make Sessignon better. It just ain't going to happen. Same with about a dozen of our players. Lots should have been outed two or three seasons ago.
posted on 24/10/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
I put thr blame more on Conte than most. He doesn't seem to coach anything into the players. Top coaches make players better. Conte has not made one single player better. With a world class coach you would get more out of players like Sess for example. Instead, we see him sporadically and lacking confidence.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction under Conte. It's just the same thing game after game and it's dross each time.
Yea, we could do with some better players. But improving 3 or 4 of the ones we have now would show he is elite. He isn't.
I'd even go as far as to say that I wouldn't want Levy chucking loads of money on players with Conte in charge.
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Four different managers have tried to make Sessignon better. It just ain't going to happen. Same with about a dozen of our players. Lots should have been outed two or three seasons ago.
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This. He has his faults Conte, but how can 4 managers not get a tune out of these players? It’s the current bunch of losers that are still here. It’s the pi** poor recruiting by Levy and Co
posted on 24/10/22
Despite Spurs form, I have been trying to get tickets for Arsenal and City this morning, and all tickets were sold out in 20 minutes.
The fecking ground aint big enough anymore. Everyone game is selling out this season in double quick time for some reason.
Highly frustrating, that for some reason everyone seems to want to go to watch Spurs this season.
posted on 24/10/22
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Bake 'em away toys (U7303)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
I put thr blame more on Conte than most. He doesn't seem to coach anything into the players. Top coaches make players better. Conte has not made one single player better. With a world class coach you would get more out of players like Sess for example. Instead, we see him sporadically and lacking confidence.
There doesn't seem to be any sort of plan or direction under Conte. It's just the same thing game after game and it's dross each time.
Yea, we could do with some better players. But improving 3 or 4 of the ones we have now would show he is elite. He isn't.
I'd even go as far as to say that I wouldn't want Levy chucking loads of money on players with Conte in charge.
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Four different managers have tried to make Sessignon better. It just ain't going to happen. Same with about a dozen of our players. Lots should have been outed two or three seasons ago.
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This. He has his faults Conte, but how can 4 managers not get a tune out of these players? It’s the current bunch of losers that are still here. It’s the pi** poor recruiting by Levy and Co
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Don, I am astonished how players like Dier and Davies have become like first picks, when they were next to useless under even Poch. They both should have been moved on. Both plodders, and certainly not good enough for a CL team. Most of the other defenders also have their faults, but have not been at the club as long as those two I mentioned. I just cannot see how they keep getting picked.
posted on 24/10/22
Sandy, there are other ways of getting tickets mate. I got a ticket for the Fulham game through a friend on Twitter. You need to get the connections. My brother is a season ticket holder, so i can always get games from people he knows when they can’t make it
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