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posted on 31/10/22

Interestingly Morelos has the best goals-per-minute in the league just now. Tbh we're unlikely to get anyone who wants to pay money for him in January so as well hanging onto him. If we're lucky some lower EPL or championship team might give us a few million for Kent, which would be a few million more than he's worth going back performances over the last year or so. No one in their right minds would take on Roofe's medical bills so we'll probably find a desperate taker from low down the English championship. Kamara is the forgotten man, for us and probably any potential suitors too. Before we do any squad building though we need to actually identify a serviceable tactical style beyond just hoofing crosses into the box and hoping for the best. If Gio can't find that tactical style - and it sounds like he's not even interested in trying - then we need to move him on and bring in someone who can.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 31/10/22

Balanced article, Prof

Three issues with your point #4.

1) Think only Kamara will have much value and even then for a guy that can't get much of a start for the current 'shambles'...? Kent and Morelos will hold out until the summer for their personal gain of a signing on fee else any deal in January will be decimated by their demands to get what they'll miss out on in 5 months. Think you'd need to pay Roofe to GTF?

2) I keep hearing a RW is priority so where does that fit? And why would a LW want to come to play 2nd fiddle to Kent who starts every week?

3) Whilst you need a CB NOW, I am not so sure it is a waste of time longer term if players come back fit - lot of money spent on Davies, wages for Souttar..?

posted on 31/10/22

You've got to hope Souttar is on a pretty paltry basic salary because shelling out any kind of regular money on someone who has spent so much time out with serious and recurring injuries is just insane.

posted on 31/10/22

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 47 seconds ago
You've got to hope Souttar is on a pretty paltry basic salary because shelling out any kind of regular money on someone who has spent so much time out with serious and recurring injuries is just insane.
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Understand your point bit I'm not sure I agree.

It wasn't insanity, it was a calculated risk that, so far, hasn't paid off.

He's a decent player when fit and was available for little or no upfront money. That's what you do when the finances are uncertain.

posted on 31/10/22

Aye I struggle to see how you’d get anything for Morelos or Kent, so likely worthwhile keeping them on until the end of the season with the hope they come good.

posted on 31/10/22

comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 59 seconds ago
Aye I struggle to see how you’d get anything for Morelos or Kent, so likely worthwhile keeping them on until the end of the season with the hope they come good.
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Probably cost over a million in wages during that time
The longer you keep your garbage in the house, the more it stinks the place out.

posted on 31/10/22

Maybe Rangers will just offer them new contracts

posted on 31/10/22

comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 47 seconds ago
You've got to hope Souttar is on a pretty paltry basic salary because shelling out any kind of regular money on someone who has spent so much time out with serious and recurring injuries is just insane.
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Understand your point bit I'm not sure I agree.

It wasn't insanity, it was a calculated risk that, so far, hasn't paid off.

He's a decent player when fit and was available for little or no upfront money. That's what you do when the finances are uncertain.
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I can see that angle too but surely in the case of someone like that you try to weight the contract as much towards performance-related pay as possible. As far as I understand it we didn't have much competition for his signature either.

Kent is such a waste of space, honestly. He could have kicked on and become a real good player but he's gone so far backwards since our title-winning season. And in his case he doesn't have injury or time out the team to blame for it either, it's just pure unadulterated pishness.

posted on 31/10/22

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 35 minutes ago
Balanced article, Prof

Three issues with your point #4.

1) Think only Kamara will have much value and even then for a guy that can't get much of a start for the current 'shambles'...? Kent and Morelos will hold out until the summer for their personal gain of a signing on fee else any deal in January will be decimated by their demands to get what they'll miss out on in 5 months. Think you'd need to pay Roofe to GTF?

2) I keep hearing a RW is priority so where does that fit? And why would a LW want to come to play 2nd fiddle to Kent who starts every week?

3) Whilst you need a CB NOW, I am not so sure it is a waste of time longer term if players come back fit - lot of money spent on Davies, wages for Souttar..?
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Silver

1) Gers have 2 decent centre-backs...Goldson and Davies, both currently injured. Helander and Souttar are both injury-prone - we need centre-back/s now

2) A LW would replace Kent immediately

3) Sakala, Matondo, Tillman, Arfield et al have all been tried as RW with limited success so I suspect that's yet another problem for June

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 31/10/22

comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 14 minutes ago
You've got to hope Souttar is on a pretty paltry basic salary because shelling out any kind of regular money on someone who has spent so much time out with serious and recurring injuries is just insane.
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I heard £15kpw? Not unreasonable he could easily have commanded that in the championship where the average wage is an astonishing £35kpw!

posted on 31/10/22

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 14 minutes ago
You've got to hope Souttar is on a pretty paltry basic salary because shelling out any kind of regular money on someone who has spent so much time out with serious and recurring injuries is just insane.
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I heard £15kpw? Not unreasonable he could easily have commanded that in the championship where the average wage is an astonishing £35kpw!
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In normal circumstances yes, but he'd made it clear he wasn't interested in a move to England as he wanted to be close to his brother (not the one that plays for Stoke!), who has now sadly passed away.

posted on 31/10/22

What's the deal with Tilman? Thought he was stick on for a transfer? I suppose the player will also need to agree Which might be an issue now?

posted on 31/10/22

comment by LogieB... (U8397)
posted 31 minutes ago
What's the deal with Tilman? Thought he was stick on for a transfer? I suppose the player will also need to agree Which might be an issue now?
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He's a bit of a Lassana Coulibaly. Clearly got talent, but we'd never have got a decent option to buy on him if there weren't doubts around his ability to make it to the top. In Coulibaly's case the club decided he wasn't worth exercising the option on, Tillman could go either way at this point.

posted on 31/10/22

WPP, "pure unadulterated pishness".
I'll be using that.

posted on 31/10/22

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
comment by WorkPermitPending (U1067)
posted 14 minutes ago
You've got to hope Souttar is on a pretty paltry basic salary because shelling out any kind of regular money on someone who has spent so much time out with serious and recurring injuries is just insane.
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I heard £15kpw? Not unreasonable he could easily have commanded that in the championship where the average wage is an astonishing £35kpw!
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Can't see Morton or Raith Rovers paying those sort of wages

posted on 31/10/22

There has to come a point where you seriously question the medical advice the club is getting.

Roofe has just come off the back of an extended treatment and rehab programme to get him pain free once and for all - and he lasts for about ten minutes.

Souttar should never have been touched. Its sheer stupidity or arrogance that makes you think a solid history of almost uninterrupted serious injuries will come to a shuddering halt just because he signed for Rangers.

I dont even think Souttar is good enough to play for us never mind his fitness issues.

Kent and Morelos should have been sat down at the start of the season and given a straight choice - sign a contract or the club cuts their losses and offers both of them for sale for £3m each.

They are both a total waste of time and nothing more than a distraction right now.

Lord knows where saturdays performance came from but it shows the players we do have can still be decent. If we get to the next OF game just 4 points behind celtic then I think that game will determine what happens next.

If we win it Gio stays. If we lose then that would be time to go for me.

posted on 31/10/22

comment by Humble Hamish (U21959)
posted 8 minutes ago
There has to come a point where you seriously question the medical advice the club is getting.

Roofe has just come off the back of an extended treatment and rehab programme to get him pain free once and for all - and he lasts for about ten minutes.

Souttar should never have been touched. Its sheer stupidity or arrogance that makes you think a solid history of almost uninterrupted serious injuries will come to a shuddering halt just because he signed for Rangers.

I dont even think Souttar is good enough to play for us never mind his fitness issues.

Kent and Morelos should have been sat down at the start of the season and given a straight choice - sign a contract or the club cuts their losses and offers both of them for sale for £3m each.

They are both a total waste of time and nothing more than a distraction right now.

Lord knows where saturdays performance came from but it shows the players we do have can still be decent. If we get to the next OF game just 4 points behind celtic then I think that game will determine what happens next.

If we win it Gio stays. If we lose then that would be time to go for me.
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This is a trap.
He wants Celtic to throw the game.

posted on 31/10/22

We won't be winning the league with this squad and manager but realistically the decision to keep him at least until next year has been made.

Lets hope he can turn it around and make solid plans for if he cannot so we are ready to go and win the league next season with reshaping the squad for next season being a priority. I wouldn't allow Gio to sign in January unless we win every game until then including Ajax.

Club should be making plans for the future so would still expect some movement on players then.

posted on 31/10/22

Kamara we would be lucky to get 3/4m for.

I wouldn't sell. A certain starter for me if i picked the team. He's been injured a fair bit this season but he's been a very good player for us, especially under Gerrard. Gio doesn't like him but he thinks Matondo is a player.

Tillman is annoying because he looks like he doesn't give a fook sometimes and lead boots other times, all that said he's got undoubted class. I would not pay 7m euro for him which is the buy out.

If Bayer would take half then i would be tempted.

posted on 31/10/22

I really like Tillman - he's a proper player, he really has something. But playing under a limited manager, and out of position, is killing his game....IMHO

posted on 31/10/22

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 27 minutes ago
Kamara we would be lucky to get 3/4m for.

I wouldn't sell. A certain starter for me if i picked the team. He's been injured a fair bit this season but he's been a very good player for us, especially under Gerrard. Gio doesn't like him but he thinks Matondo is a player.

Tillman is annoying because he looks like he doesn't give a fook sometimes and lead boots other times, all that said he's got undoubted class. I would not pay 7m euro for him which is the buy out.

If Bayer would take half then i would be tempted.
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So...you would refuse £3/4m for a guy you paid 50 grand for and let him run down his contract and leave for free.
Inspired. They should put you in charge

posted on 31/10/22

comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 27 minutes ago
Kamara we would be lucky to get 3/4m for.

I wouldn't sell. A certain starter for me if i picked the team. He's been injured a fair bit this season but he's been a very good player for us, especially under Gerrard. Gio doesn't like him but he thinks Matondo is a player.

Tillman is annoying because he looks like he doesn't give a fook sometimes and lead boots other times, all that said he's got undoubted class. I would not pay 7m euro for him which is the buy out.

If Bayer would take half then i would be tempted.
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So...you would refuse £3/4m for a guy you paid 50 grand for and let him run down his contract and leave for free.
Inspired. They should put you in charge

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Run down his contract that he recently signed?

He wanted to move because Gio doesn't rate him. I'm sure we will recoup whatever we paid if we sell him 6 months before the end of his deal even now but especially if he's playing and showcasing his talent.

posted on 31/10/22

comment by LogieB... (U8397)
posted 1 hour, 7 minutes ago
I really like Tillman - he's a proper player, he really has something. But playing under a limited manager, and out of position, is killing his game....IMHO

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When we ask him to play in midfield he's miles off it.

He's an attacker and the quicker we wisen up to that the better. Hagi will come back and take the 10 position so he will need to play right or maybe even up top imo.

comment by Silver (U6112)

posted on 31/10/22

Yasssss - torrential rain on Halloween

posted on 31/10/22

comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Magnum (2 in a row easy) (U22391)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by HB Fash (U21935)
posted 27 minutes ago
Kamara we would be lucky to get 3/4m for.

I wouldn't sell. A certain starter for me if i picked the team. He's been injured a fair bit this season but he's been a very good player for us, especially under Gerrard. Gio doesn't like him but he thinks Matondo is a player.

Tillman is annoying because he looks like he doesn't give a fook sometimes and lead boots other times, all that said he's got undoubted class. I would not pay 7m euro for him which is the buy out.

If Bayer would take half then i would be tempted.
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So...you would refuse £3/4m for a guy you paid 50 grand for and let him run down his contract and leave for free.
Inspired. They should put you in charge

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Run down his contract that he recently signed?

He wanted to move because Gio doesn't rate him. I'm sure we will recoup whatever we paid if we sell him 6 months before the end of his deal even now but especially if he's playing and showcasing his talent.
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You couldn't sell him when he was 'showcasing his talent'. A journeyman spfl midfielder.

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