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posted on 6/11/22

He looks like a man facing the firing squad.

posted on 6/11/22

Not professional but he's as much a fan as we all are. He's entitled to celebrate, albeit he's getting one over the fans who booed them. We ain't run properly fundamentally and we need to improve unless we wanna dangle over the cliffs of the championship every season.

posted on 6/11/22

Sorry.. but what a unprofessional moronic buffoon he is.

Absolutely no class or calibre. If he’s that unhappy with the true heartbeat of the club (it’s fans) then do us all a favour and depart rapidly. Maybe there are some, but I personally don’t know one Leeds fan who would be unhappy with that.

posted on 6/11/22

Orta apology.

https://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/football/leeds-united/leeds-united-director-victor-orta-releases-statement-on-elland-road-incident-and-reveals-abuse-3907744

I totally agree it is an unprofessional act for a man in his position.

I totally disagree with the abuse he has received.

Not sure where this will end but suspect the event will be used by those who want him out to try to get what they want.

posted on 7/11/22

No problem with that. Besides, he’s not English. Let people be themselves. He’s showing emotion, not trying to punch somebody.

Besides, it’s a valid retort, especially with regards to the recruitment of the kids.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd6ZQI-aT5c

posted on 7/11/22

I’m in the minority in that I think criticism of the board is over the top and lazy. To me it comes across as incredibly spoilt and entitled.

If I were in the position of AR especially, I would be frustrated that having risked a big chunk of his personal wealth to transform a club and it’s fortunes on the pitch, to finally achieve what the fans have dreamed of for years. He is vilified as a chancer and a clown.

There’s people on here with businesses. If he’s such a chancer and an idiot why don’t you buy the club and sort it out?

That’s not to say that the board isn’t due criticism. But it has to be proportional. The same goes for Orta. He’s got plenty wrong. But he’s got plenty right. And he’s obviously played his part in improving the standard of the squad.

However, while Orta is justified in feeling frustration and I have sympathy with that. I can imagine it must be incredibly difficult to see/hear constant abuse about yourself. Mostly from people that just don’t have a clue how it all works. And I include myself in that. We can all discuss and give opinions but let’s be honest, we don’t really know what really goes on in that world. And if you think you do I’d say you are being incredibly naive. All of the above is no excuse to react like that. You have to be professional, especially in public. He’s an idiot for that and it will only make people like me who are capable of sympathy to someone even if he is richer than me, to distance myself from defending him.

posted on 7/11/22

It's typical of some liking to dish comments out but being horrified and screaming unprofessional when someone has the temerity to give a bit back.

The club is still building and developing. 3rd year in the prem, we're doing okay.

Anyone remember L1 days?

posted on 7/11/22

After the JKA fiasco, I would have thought he want to keep his head down, rather than losing his cool in the stands, it's not professional.

Also, he isn't as much as a fan as the supporters in the ground, he was at Boro before Leeds, it's just his current job, he'll move on to another club and support them for a bit.

I'm all for him getting behind team, but it's always a bit OTT, needs to get a hold of his emotions.

posted on 7/11/22

I have no problem at all with Orta's use of irony, showing just how rediculous the fans who are booing actually are and if, as he says, he and his family are the victima of avuse shame on those people.

posted on 7/11/22

comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
It's typical of some liking to dish comments out but being horrified and screaming unprofessional when someone has the temerity to give a bit back.

The club is still building and developing. 3rd year in the prem, we're doing okay.

Anyone remember L1 days?
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Why are we behind Fulham then? Third season in and we're shipping 6 goals at home to newly promoted sided. How many will Forest get ....

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 7/11/22

No justification for personal abuse of Orta.
No justification for that reaction back, two wrongs don't make a right.

Let's be clear, Orta is not a fan.

The club realise this was inappropriate, it's why they released a statement.

comment by Jaz63 (U8369)

posted on 7/11/22

We've seen this from Orta before. Put it down to macho Latin football passion if you like but from a DoF at a major PL club, it is nothing but unprofessional and inappropriate.

But it's also interesting. I may be wrong (more than likely) but perhaps Orta's also feeling the squeeze because this summer's signings - which were clearly influenced by Marsch's input - seem to be proving themselves to be good business - just at the time when the JKA shambles - for which Orta must bear principal responsibility - is coming to a head. His signings more generally have seemed a bit hit-and-miss.

Either way, he's got to cut that out, just like Marsch has got to cut out any pointless argument with the ref or fourth official. It's just not professional, full stop. These are club representatives; the club must come first.

posted on 7/11/22

comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It's typical of some liking to dish comments out but being horrified and screaming unprofessional when someone has the temerity to give a bit back.

The club is still building and developing. 3rd year in the prem, we're doing okay.

Anyone remember L1 days?
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They were great in a way VOF. But I know what you mean.

posted on 7/11/22

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone....
Forgive and forget as far as I am concerned.
He is a youngish emotional gentleman that momentarily lost control of his DOF etiquette responsibilities and protocols, which considering his family were targeted to abusive telephone calls off a load of "Morons" I can understand.
However he does need to now draw a line under this type of behaviour, act accordingly and just "grow up"!

comment by Batty (U4664)

posted on 7/11/22

Heat of the moment. Very emotional day for all.
Doesn't bother me. I'm in the "move on" camp.

posted on 7/11/22

"Why are we behind Fulham then? Third season in and we're shipping 6 goals at home to newly promoted sided. How many will Forest get ...."

Shaun, do you remember our first game back in the Premier?..

The way you look at smaller clubs it seem's they have no right to try and play football!..

As for Orta, he takes flak from all corners, so if something goes in his favore then he has the same right to get as loud as them bringing him down!..

Not nice to see, but like people say, he's in a pressure job that gives a lot off blame, but the blame game at times can and does go to far!..

posted on 7/11/22

comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by VOF - Have a nice day y'all ... (U17124)
posted 2 hours, 56 minutes ago
It's typical of some liking to dish comments out but being horrified and screaming unprofessional when someone has the temerity to give a bit back.

The club is still building and developing. 3rd year in the prem, we're doing okay.

Anyone remember L1 days?
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They were great in a way VOF. But I know what you mean.
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Yep as I typed it I did think actually they weren't that bad .... !!

comment by Stoopo (U4707)

posted on 7/11/22

Give and take! Just like the crowd did after Bournemouth fans were singing “1-0 and you f’d it up”. Leeds came back with “3-1 and you f’d it up”.

It’s not nice taking abuse and owners and boards take more than their fair share. Maybe it’s not his finest hour but emotions were running very very high at that point.

He’s apologised so we should just all move on imo.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 7/11/22

I think there is a bit more context here than just he's apologised, move on.

He exited Boro after wasting a lot of money and manager lost his job.

There was some criticism of him in press after TC lost his job, shouldn't DoF take responsibility for poor signings that are imposed on manager...

Orta has regularly talked himself up, his incredible scouting network, but made signing after signing that haven't delivered.

Saturday wasnt the first time his completely lost control, remember him kicking in a monitor? He has had altercations with fans as well in last 12 months, so this is not the first time and is seen as a transgression hence need for an apology.

Anyone in workplace would go through an escalating process if problems keep recurring, which they have with his behaviour.

No doubt he will come under further pressure and either has to learn to manage that, or, stay away from situations that can get him in trouble, ie being at matches.

comment by Stoopo (U4707)

posted on 7/11/22

“ Anyone in workplace would go through an escalating process if problems keep recurring, which they have with his behaviour.”

Football is completely different to a normal workplace”. If it wasn’t then we would see players getting sacked for violent conduct on the pitch, which happens in many games.

It’s an emotional sport and it spills onto the terraces.

He’s not hit anyone or verbally abused any individual has he? If he did then, yes, he needs a warning.

comment by Jonty (U4614)

posted on 7/11/22

He’s not hit anyone so It’s ok?

Why are we justifying this behaviour like this?

For all isn’t done special case with regards behaviour.

People get punished by fa and their clubs fir bad behaviour all the time.

posted on 7/11/22

Maybe something should be done against those attacking him and his family!..

That'd take some pressure of him and maybe calm him down a little!..

comment by Jaz63 (U8369)

posted on 7/11/22

It's just downright unprofessional - you don't hear of DoFs at other top clubs acting like that, do you? And he wouldn't have reacted so strongly if the implied criticism of his performance didn't sting. Anyone can see his record while with us - and it's been quite a while now - is very miss, with the odd hit.

If I was AR, I'd be having a word and sending him on some sort of compulsory anger management course before he does a Lee Bowyer on someone!

If you're earning big money yourself through spending someone else's even bigger money, you've got to walk the walk. Otherwise nobody you negotiate with will take you seriously. Self-discipline at all times is a fundamental prerequisite for such a position of responsibility, surely?.

posted on 7/11/22

No problem with him there at all. If people are gonna dish it out don’t be so fragile and complain when they get it back.
Is it professional? No, but football is a funny old game.

posted on 7/11/22

comment by Jonty (U4614)
posted 10 hours, 35 minutes ago
No justification for personal abuse of Orta.
No justification for that reaction back, two wrongs don't make a right.

Let's be clear, Orta is not a fan.

The club realise this was inappropriate, it's why they released a statement.


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I think it’s more to do with how social media stoked the fire with hypocritical fans. People getting in a right tizz on Twitter it’s rather embarrassing.

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