I implore the pro-Conte fans to actually debate on the points I have made here instead of things like “WE ARE 4TH, STOP MOANING” 😊
We are 4th, stop moaning.
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
The issue with not rotating much is that when you do the players coming in know that they probably won't get much opportunity regardless of how they play.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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Yeah, fair counter. I could argue it would go back to Levy/Paratici for bad investment. But other fans thought we won this transfer window and had signed depth??
But even still, the obvious one is Spence. He may be crap tbf but surely in a league cup game he needs to start. He hasn’t had a look in all season and the 2 ahead of him are poor.
Then theres MF. Agree that Skipp isn’t really good enough, (another overrated player 3 years ago as we are so desperate for our academy to produce anything, unlike facking chelsea and arsenal’s) but him and Bissouma barely played a minute when it was 3-4-3. And even in game sub rotation of where the game is won, Conte used to avoid making his first sub until the 85 minute lol.
Bryan Gil should have more game time too (even though nobody expects much of him either). Its a catch 22 where the squad options aren’t good enough but as Robbing Hoody says above, you still need to find ways to incorporate them otherwise their attitude gets worse and they don’t play well when they do play, as they know they will be dropped immediately
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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I mean, I agree with everything I Repeat is saying, but come on Sandy, it’s exactly the same shiiiiit I’ve been saying for ages an I got absolute pelters from you. You’ve changed your tune!!!!
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 32 minutes ago
We are 4th, stop moaning.
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Oh Philip, if only there was a trophy for being 4th in November!
A trophy we COULD have gone for, we fell at the first hurdle.
My preferred sensario, Conte doesn’t sign a new contract, stays until the end of the season and we win the FA cup and finish in the top 4.
Poch signs before the summer transfer window and we back him properly this time.
I said what I said.
Just listening to View from the Lane reviewing the Forest game.
Of all the Spurs podcasts this one is my favourite as they generally best reflect the way I see things and this episode is no different they have absolutely nailed it and I advise anybody with the time to give it a listen.
For some reason I find listening to Spurs supporters who are as exasperated as I am cathartic.
Let's face it Conte's tactics are shocking all about square pegs in round holes, worked at Chelsea because they had a huge squad to work with, must take him all week to decide which 3 of our many centrebacks to select, then throw the other 7 players into the mix
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posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 32 minutes ago
We are 4th, stop moaning.
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Oh Philip, if only there was a trophy for being 4th in November!
A trophy we COULD have gone for, we fell at the first hurdle.
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I only said it to be annoying.
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posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 32 minutes ago
We are 4th, stop moaning.
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Oh Philip, if only there was a trophy for being 4th in November!
A trophy we COULD have gone for, we fell at the first hurdle.
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I only said it to be annoying.
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Some valid points, but this season has been a set of unique circumstances, fixture congestion and squad fatigue / injuries were always going to catch up with us.
Conte obviously does not trust the squad, hence the lack of rotation, and the over playing of certain players is purely down to having no alternative. Our squad has major limitations and several players that need to be moved on.
Conte has not been perfect however, his criminal under use of Spence being the biggest failing, given that playing as a wing back requires less defensive nous due to having cover at CB, you would think a pacey attacking player like Spence could transform our right side attacking wise.
However we are likely in the top 4 going into the World Cup break, and into the last 16 of the CL, which is what I said I would be happy with a few weeks ago.
The last thing we need right now is another manager change, but there is uncertainty all around, Conte has 6 months left on his deal, Kane`s contract is running down etc. We just need to stuff Leeds and reassess after the World Cup.
ENIC are the problem, they always have been and always will be.
Shouldnt have bothered
You are basically blaming EVERYONE for the "mess" we're in! Fecking genius!
I am not sure how old some of you folk are but if you want to know what Spurs in a mess looks like, this isnt it. Get some fecking persepctive.
1 year and 1 summer window into Contes reign, there are things that need doing, need improving, and this will take time and probably the next 2 windows to get in the 3 or 4 players we need, adding to the 6 or 7 we had already added since Conte arrived.
I tire of the catastrophising of some folk on here about the "mess" we're in.
I do however agree on rotation by Conte. Its been shocking and he really needs to give some players a chance.
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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Like that will happen
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posted 3 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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I mean, I agree with everything I Repeat is saying, but come on Sandy, it’s exactly the same shiiiiit I’ve been saying for ages an I got absolute pelters from you. You’ve changed your tune!!!!
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Nah you just moan 24/7 even when Spurs win. This article is fairly well constructed and the OP makes some decent points.
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posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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Like that will happen
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Well quite!
Hengy/Devonshire
I think the point you are both missing is that on paper, 4th & CL last 16 looks great. Hell it is great on paper. But if you step back, we are in trouble. Perhaps mess is the wrong word, but the are significant issues with the club:
Recruitment is shocking, academy is poor, playing style is horrible, we can’t get rid of players, significant players are getting on a bit now/contract coming to an end, including Kane, Son and Lloris.
I also am sick of always sacking managers but when you have the wrong manager then unfortunately thats what you have to do. Conte isn’t the man for a big rebuild, nor was Jose and Nuno simply weren’t good enough.
Arteta and Klopp, like Poch, are more “project” managers and so giving them time made sense. You could also see what they were trying to do within the first year whereas with us, our football 12 months ago was just as bad, albeit our results were worse.
I struggle to see things getting any better in the near future (2-3 years) so maybe we should just enjoy this season while it lasts. Unfortunately though, the football is so bad that is basically impossible!
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posted 3 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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I mean, I agree with everything I Repeat is saying, but come on Sandy, it’s exactly the same shiiiiit I’ve been saying for ages an I got absolute pelters from you. You’ve changed your tune!!!!
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Nah you just moan 24/7 even when Spurs win. This article is fairly well constructed and the OP makes some decent points.
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Oh give it a rest mate. This article is titled "a structured rant" which is exactly the same as I've been doing. Myself and I Repeat have already discussed the fact that we share similar thoughts regarding where the club is heading and I'm almost certain that he'd agree that even when we've won, there have been issues with the team and performance. It's not as linear as "three points means everything is rosy". You CAN be happy with the three points AND point out areas of concern. In fact, arguably the greatest manager of all time, Alex Ferguson, won the Scottish Cup with Aberdeen and tore into his players because although he won he wasn't happy with the performance. This is no different.
Anyway, you clearly have selective hearing because after the Liverpool game, I was one of the more positive voices in the post-match discussion because I thought the performance for an hour was decent and we deserved more from the game. You only hear what you want to here. As far as you're concerned, I'm moaning 24/7 and I'm an Arsenal fan. The absurdity of the latter claim discredits the former.
In short, there isn't a great deal of respect given to your opinions anyway. Most people on here find you ridiculous. I've been one of the kinder ones. You're welcome.
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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No a better squad
I repeat
It wasn’t just great on paper it was unbelievable in reality.
It goes to show just how good we can be under conte when he has his trusted players fit & ready.
Our squad is a bit of mess though I agree. We have players from 4 different managers in it.
My biggest worry is of conte was to leave we will have no one who will hold the board accountable like conte does.
For all of the good poch done for him to let the board go god knows how long without a signing was his ultimate downfall. Could you imagine conte letting that happen?
I get some don’t like conte and his style I was never a fan and had those managers you mentioned too of my list to replace Jose.
Although he’s inter team played some lovely football.
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comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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I mean, I agree with everything I Repeat is saying, but come on Sandy, it’s exactly the same shiiiiit I’ve been saying for ages an I got absolute pelters from you. You’ve changed your tune!!!!
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Nah you just moan 24/7 even when Spurs win. This article is fairly well constructed and the OP makes some decent points.
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Oh give it a rest mate. This article is titled "a structured rant" which is exactly the same as I've been doing. Myself and I Repeat have already discussed the fact that we share similar thoughts regarding where the club is heading and I'm almost certain that he'd agree that even when we've won, there have been issues with the team and performance. It's not as linear as "three points means everything is rosy". You CAN be happy with the three points AND point out areas of concern. In fact, arguably the greatest manager of all time, Alex Ferguson, won the Scottish Cup with Aberdeen and tore into his players because although he won he wasn't happy with the performance. This is no different.
Anyway, you clearly have selective hearing because after the Liverpool game, I was one of the more positive voices in the post-match discussion because I thought the performance for an hour was decent and we deserved more from the game. You only hear what you want to here. As far as you're concerned, I'm moaning 24/7 and I'm an Arsenal fan. The absurdity of the latter claim discredits the former.
In short, there isn't a great deal of respect given to your opinions anyway. Most people on here find you ridiculous. I've been one of the kinder ones. You're welcome.
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Calm down fridgeboy, I like your passion, and although we have never met, I am sure we would get on just fine. But you really do need to try to enjoy the wins a bit more. OK it may not always be pretty, but a win is a win. And Spurs still sit top four, and are through to knockout stages of the CL. So, yes the football has not been brilliant, but plenty of clubs in the Prem would like to be where Spurs are right now.
They still have the basis of a very decent team, but they do need to get the defence sorted in the next couple of windows.
I am getting on a bit now, so I have to enjoy everything that comes along. I may never see Spurs win another trophy, but I will enjoy the wins however they come. I don`t like losing, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet, and accept you cannot win every match.
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comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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No a better squad
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Yeh better squad is what is needed. The squad players are just not up to it.
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posted on 11/11/22
I implore the pro-Conte fans to actually debate on the points I have made here instead of things like “WE ARE 4TH, STOP MOANING” 😊
posted on 11/11/22
We are 4th, stop moaning.
posted on 11/11/22
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
posted on 11/11/22
The issue with not rotating much is that when you do the players coming in know that they probably won't get much opportunity regardless of how they play.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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Yeah, fair counter. I could argue it would go back to Levy/Paratici for bad investment. But other fans thought we won this transfer window and had signed depth??
But even still, the obvious one is Spence. He may be crap tbf but surely in a league cup game he needs to start. He hasn’t had a look in all season and the 2 ahead of him are poor.
Then theres MF. Agree that Skipp isn’t really good enough, (another overrated player 3 years ago as we are so desperate for our academy to produce anything, unlike facking chelsea and arsenal’s) but him and Bissouma barely played a minute when it was 3-4-3. And even in game sub rotation of where the game is won, Conte used to avoid making his first sub until the 85 minute lol.
Bryan Gil should have more game time too (even though nobody expects much of him either). Its a catch 22 where the squad options aren’t good enough but as Robbing Hoody says above, you still need to find ways to incorporate them otherwise their attitude gets worse and they don’t play well when they do play, as they know they will be dropped immediately
posted on 11/11/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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I mean, I agree with everything I Repeat is saying, but come on Sandy, it’s exactly the same shiiiiit I’ve been saying for ages an I got absolute pelters from you. You’ve changed your tune!!!!
posted on 11/11/22
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 32 minutes ago
We are 4th, stop moaning.
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Oh Philip, if only there was a trophy for being 4th in November!
A trophy we COULD have gone for, we fell at the first hurdle.
posted on 11/11/22
My preferred sensario, Conte doesn’t sign a new contract, stays until the end of the season and we win the FA cup and finish in the top 4.
Poch signs before the summer transfer window and we back him properly this time.
I said what I said.
posted on 11/11/22
Just listening to View from the Lane reviewing the Forest game.
Of all the Spurs podcasts this one is my favourite as they generally best reflect the way I see things and this episode is no different they have absolutely nailed it and I advise anybody with the time to give it a listen.
For some reason I find listening to Spurs supporters who are as exasperated as I am cathartic.
posted on 11/11/22
Let's face it Conte's tactics are shocking all about square pegs in round holes, worked at Chelsea because they had a huge squad to work with, must take him all week to decide which 3 of our many centrebacks to select, then throw the other 7 players into the mix
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 32 minutes ago
We are 4th, stop moaning.
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Oh Philip, if only there was a trophy for being 4th in November!
A trophy we COULD have gone for, we fell at the first hurdle.
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I only said it to be annoying.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 13 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 2 hours, 6 minutes ago
comment by PhilspursFGR (U3278)
posted 32 minutes ago
We are 4th, stop moaning.
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Oh Philip, if only there was a trophy for being 4th in November!
A trophy we COULD have gone for, we fell at the first hurdle.
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I only said it to be annoying.
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posted on 11/11/22
Some valid points, but this season has been a set of unique circumstances, fixture congestion and squad fatigue / injuries were always going to catch up with us.
Conte obviously does not trust the squad, hence the lack of rotation, and the over playing of certain players is purely down to having no alternative. Our squad has major limitations and several players that need to be moved on.
Conte has not been perfect however, his criminal under use of Spence being the biggest failing, given that playing as a wing back requires less defensive nous due to having cover at CB, you would think a pacey attacking player like Spence could transform our right side attacking wise.
However we are likely in the top 4 going into the World Cup break, and into the last 16 of the CL, which is what I said I would be happy with a few weeks ago.
The last thing we need right now is another manager change, but there is uncertainty all around, Conte has 6 months left on his deal, Kane`s contract is running down etc. We just need to stuff Leeds and reassess after the World Cup.
ENIC are the problem, they always have been and always will be.
posted on 11/11/22
Shouldnt have bothered
You are basically blaming EVERYONE for the "mess" we're in! Fecking genius!
I am not sure how old some of you folk are but if you want to know what Spurs in a mess looks like, this isnt it. Get some fecking persepctive.
1 year and 1 summer window into Contes reign, there are things that need doing, need improving, and this will take time and probably the next 2 windows to get in the 3 or 4 players we need, adding to the 6 or 7 we had already added since Conte arrived.
I tire of the catastrophising of some folk on here about the "mess" we're in.
I do however agree on rotation by Conte. Its been shocking and he really needs to give some players a chance.
posted on 11/11/22
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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Like that will happen
posted on 11/11/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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I mean, I agree with everything I Repeat is saying, but come on Sandy, it’s exactly the same shiiiiit I’ve been saying for ages an I got absolute pelters from you. You’ve changed your tune!!!!
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Nah you just moan 24/7 even when Spurs win. This article is fairly well constructed and the OP makes some decent points.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Dave&Danny (U4428)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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Like that will happen
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Well quite!
posted on 11/11/22
Hengy/Devonshire
I think the point you are both missing is that on paper, 4th & CL last 16 looks great. Hell it is great on paper. But if you step back, we are in trouble. Perhaps mess is the wrong word, but the are significant issues with the club:
Recruitment is shocking, academy is poor, playing style is horrible, we can’t get rid of players, significant players are getting on a bit now/contract coming to an end, including Kane, Son and Lloris.
I also am sick of always sacking managers but when you have the wrong manager then unfortunately thats what you have to do. Conte isn’t the man for a big rebuild, nor was Jose and Nuno simply weren’t good enough.
Arteta and Klopp, like Poch, are more “project” managers and so giving them time made sense. You could also see what they were trying to do within the first year whereas with us, our football 12 months ago was just as bad, albeit our results were worse.
I struggle to see things getting any better in the near future (2-3 years) so maybe we should just enjoy this season while it lasts. Unfortunately though, the football is so bad that is basically impossible!
posted on 11/11/22
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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I mean, I agree with everything I Repeat is saying, but come on Sandy, it’s exactly the same shiiiiit I’ve been saying for ages an I got absolute pelters from you. You’ve changed your tune!!!!
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Nah you just moan 24/7 even when Spurs win. This article is fairly well constructed and the OP makes some decent points.
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Oh give it a rest mate. This article is titled "a structured rant" which is exactly the same as I've been doing. Myself and I Repeat have already discussed the fact that we share similar thoughts regarding where the club is heading and I'm almost certain that he'd agree that even when we've won, there have been issues with the team and performance. It's not as linear as "three points means everything is rosy". You CAN be happy with the three points AND point out areas of concern. In fact, arguably the greatest manager of all time, Alex Ferguson, won the Scottish Cup with Aberdeen and tore into his players because although he won he wasn't happy with the performance. This is no different.
Anyway, you clearly have selective hearing because after the Liverpool game, I was one of the more positive voices in the post-match discussion because I thought the performance for an hour was decent and we deserved more from the game. You only hear what you want to here. As far as you're concerned, I'm moaning 24/7 and I'm an Arsenal fan. The absurdity of the latter claim discredits the former.
In short, there isn't a great deal of respect given to your opinions anyway. Most people on here find you ridiculous. I've been one of the kinder ones. You're welcome.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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No a better squad
posted on 11/11/22
I repeat
It wasn’t just great on paper it was unbelievable in reality.
It goes to show just how good we can be under conte when he has his trusted players fit & ready.
Our squad is a bit of mess though I agree. We have players from 4 different managers in it.
My biggest worry is of conte was to leave we will have no one who will hold the board accountable like conte does.
For all of the good poch done for him to let the board go god knows how long without a signing was his ultimate downfall. Could you imagine conte letting that happen?
I get some don’t like conte and his style I was never a fan and had those managers you mentioned too of my list to replace Jose.
Although he’s inter team played some lovely football.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 59 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 3 hours, 55 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 16 minutes ago
I repeat, decent article and rant to he fair. Cannot argue against most of it. The only thing is the rotation bit. Who out of our better players can you actually rotate with? Richarlison for Son or Kane maybe, but then Richarlison has been injured. Midfield who is going to rotate with Bentancur and PEH? Skipp clearly not good enough to be starting, and Bissouma is starting to get played. The defence is all of a muchness, whoever starts doesn't matter they are all 3 or 4 out of 10 players.
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I mean, I agree with everything I Repeat is saying, but come on Sandy, it’s exactly the same shiiiiit I’ve been saying for ages an I got absolute pelters from you. You’ve changed your tune!!!!
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Nah you just moan 24/7 even when Spurs win. This article is fairly well constructed and the OP makes some decent points.
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Oh give it a rest mate. This article is titled "a structured rant" which is exactly the same as I've been doing. Myself and I Repeat have already discussed the fact that we share similar thoughts regarding where the club is heading and I'm almost certain that he'd agree that even when we've won, there have been issues with the team and performance. It's not as linear as "three points means everything is rosy". You CAN be happy with the three points AND point out areas of concern. In fact, arguably the greatest manager of all time, Alex Ferguson, won the Scottish Cup with Aberdeen and tore into his players because although he won he wasn't happy with the performance. This is no different.
Anyway, you clearly have selective hearing because after the Liverpool game, I was one of the more positive voices in the post-match discussion because I thought the performance for an hour was decent and we deserved more from the game. You only hear what you want to here. As far as you're concerned, I'm moaning 24/7 and I'm an Arsenal fan. The absurdity of the latter claim discredits the former.
In short, there isn't a great deal of respect given to your opinions anyway. Most people on here find you ridiculous. I've been one of the kinder ones. You're welcome.
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Calm down fridgeboy, I like your passion, and although we have never met, I am sure we would get on just fine. But you really do need to try to enjoy the wins a bit more. OK it may not always be pretty, but a win is a win. And Spurs still sit top four, and are through to knockout stages of the CL. So, yes the football has not been brilliant, but plenty of clubs in the Prem would like to be where Spurs are right now.
They still have the basis of a very decent team, but they do need to get the defence sorted in the next couple of windows.
I am getting on a bit now, so I have to enjoy everything that comes along. I may never see Spurs win another trophy, but I will enjoy the wins however they come. I don`t like losing, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet, and accept you cannot win every match.
posted on 11/11/22
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Hengy (U9129)
posted 4 minutes ago
I mean we aren’t in a mess just a bit of bad form. We pretty much lost our attacking line up recently so it’s no surprise we’ve tailed off.
I think the way we finished the season got people far too giddy for this season. We was never going to be in a title challenge ffs.
This time last year these players were struggling to win in the conference league.
Everyone knows I back conte yet will be surprised to know I actually hate the 3 at the back formation but I’m also fed up with changing manager all the time.
We gave poch time and he did all right even though his first 12 months was pretty bad.
Arsenal gave Arteta time & Liverpool gave Klopp time and they’ve got their team firing after a few years.
Patience is needed as for me we probably need another 10 players to come in and out over the next two windows.
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So literally a whole new team.
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No a better squad
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Yeh better squad is what is needed. The squad players are just not up to it.
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