comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 second ago
Doesn’t address their issues with the talent pool.
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last year they were thought of as being the most talented team in europe though?!

comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 1 minute ago
Those times Livramento was on the bench for Tuchel, just giving him minutes off the bench would have been helpful in the players mind.

It's the little things that often go along way to making young players believe and determine that there is a fair pathway for them to compete.
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I don’t think it would make much difference. Livramento is obviously good enough to be starting games in the prem, which is why he left. He’s just unfortunate he broke through at a club that has Reece James.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 second ago
Doesn’t address their issues with the talent pool.
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last year they were thought of as being the most talented team in europe though?!
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No they weren’t. You think people rated Italy’s players higher than France’s because they won the Euros?

a team that has won 2 comps and got to a final in the last 17 years is not one that has been struggling to produce talent in recent years.

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 second ago
Doesn’t address their issues with the talent pool.
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last year they were thought of as being the most talented team in europe though?!
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No they weren’t. You think people rated Italy’s players higher than France’s because they won the Euros?
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yes thats normally how it works.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 second ago
Doesn’t address their issues with the talent pool.
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last year they were thought of as being the most talented team in europe though?!
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No they weren’t. You think people rated Italy’s players higher than France’s because they won the Euros?
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yes thats normally how it works.
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however even if it was France considered the best, Italy after winning the euros will have been considered at least 2nd best team ...... that doest shout failing to produce talent.

like I said they have won two tournaments (Including the last euro's) and got to the final in the last 17 years... thats not a country failing to to produce talent in recent years

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 second ago
Doesn’t address their issues with the talent pool.
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last year they were thought of as being the most talented team in europe though?!
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No they weren’t. You think people rated Italy’s players higher than France’s because they won the Euros?
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yes thats normally how it works.
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No it’s not.

But they failed to get to the world cup again so if you are basing it on tournaments then they don’t have one of the 13 best groups of players in Europe, using your logic.

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 second ago
Doesn’t address their issues with the talent pool.
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last year they were thought of as being the most talented team in europe though?!
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No they weren’t. You think people rated Italy’s players higher than France’s because they won the Euros?
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yes thats normally how it works.
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No it’s not.

But they failed to get to the world cup again so if you are basing it on tournaments then they don’t have one of the 13 best groups of players in Europe, using your logic.
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but you were talking about talent produced in recent years? we were using that as a barometer to predict future talents.

in the last 17 years they have won 2 tournaments and got to a final.

W’nking over Southampton players now

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)

comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)

Those times Livramento was on the bench for Tuchel, just giving him minutes off the bench would have been helpful in the players mind.

It's the little things that often go along way to making young players believe and determine that there is a fair pathway for them to compete.
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I don’t think it would make much difference. Livramento is obviously good enough to be starting games in the prem, which is why he left. He’s just unfortunate he broke through at a club that has Reece James.
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Doesn't wash with me.
James & Livramento can coexist in the same lineup...one example could have been to deploy Reece as the right CB in three man defence (he started matches in this position under Tuchel), with Livramento wingback (over a spent Azpi, at the end of his shelf-life).
One should never ignore the talents of an obvious star coming through, particularly when this is a position that requires dynamism and Livramento fits the bill to a tee.

There so many useful ways you can use both of them iat the same time, the options are limitless. Managers that give a damn about youth products will easily find it possible to find a spot in the team for a player with the ability of Livramento.

Tuchel made no concerted enough to integrate a tremendous option (staring him right there in his face), which was foolish...bearing in mind he was playing Azpi, Hudson-Odoi out of position at the expense of our standout academy player that was ready to play wingback at that highest level & in his last year of contract.
Could have saved us a heap of money, as it turned out...we're still on the search for a fullback / wingback due to that gormless decisions and error of judgement from Tuchel.

The number of players we have allowed to escape or sold too early is quite staggerring, especially when you look at how weak our squad is in certain areas and that we have spent a lot of money very unwisely. The likes of Tomori, Guehi, Lamptey and Livramento would have given us a lot more defensive depth and are at least decent squad players. We have Colwill and Maatsen out on loan when they could be part of our squad.

Doesn't wash with me.
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That’s because your obsessive hard on for Chelsea youth players seems to have melted your brain. Look at the CHO stuff for further evidence.

So... you didn't like Tuchel then?

comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago

The number of players we have allowed to escape or sold too early is quite staggerring, especially when you look at how weak our squad is in certain areas and that we have spent a lot of money very unwisely. The likes of Tomori, Guehi, Lamptey and Livramento would have given us a lot more defensive depth and are at least decent squad players. We have Colwill and Maatsen out on loan when they could be part of our squad.
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Squad would've been just as average as it is now, we'd have just had more money in the bank. Wouldn't have made a significant difference.

Though it would've fully committed to our desire of becoming the new Wenger's Arsenal (the unsuccessful period). Would've been more honest I guess

In Chelsea’s defence, I don’t think their ‘treatment’ of academy players is particularly bad. I was reading a while back that a lot of players are more than happy to use Chelsea as a stepping stone to premier league football, as they don’t have this attachment to the club that fans think they do.

They’ll earn more money at other academies, get a first class education and then come away with an enhanced reputation for being a Chelsea academy player. If they ultimately end up at Palace, it was better for them than just coming through the Palace academy.

*than at other academies

comment by Devil (U6522)
So... you didn't like Tuchel then?
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I don't like managers that fail to see glaring solutions that is presented within, would rather spend big on middling players that ultimately amount to nothing. Wouldn't be in this mess now if it wasn't for these type of managers...

Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel, SARRI
You should know the score by now⚽️

I could understand there reservations about using them, if we didn't produce the best academy products & structure...

Developing youth and achieving short / long-term 🏆goal isnt mutually exclusive.
In their mind it is, shame on all of them.

comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 2 hours, 54 minutes ago
The number of players we have allowed to escape or sold too early is quite staggerring, especially when you look at how weak our squad is in certain areas and that we have spent a lot of money very unwisely. The likes of Tomori, Guehi, Lamptey and Livramento would have given us a lot more defensive depth and are at least decent squad players. We have Colwill and Maatsen out on loan when they could be part of our squad.
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Theoretical is those players did not want to be just squad players. That isxwhy they left.

Well apart from Tomori who left because of Lampard

Theoretical is those players did not want to be just squad players. That isxwhy they left.
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I don’t get how so many miss this point. Players have a big influence over their own careers. If they wanted to be squad players at Chelsea, chances are a lot of them would have been.

comment by Chelseamf™®© (U1677)
posted 1 hour, 51 minutes ago

comment by Devil (U6522)
So... you didn't like Tuchel then?
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I don't like managers that fail to see glaring solutions that is presented within, would rather spend big on middling players that ultimately amount to nothing. Wouldn't be in this mess now if it wasn't for these type of managers...

Mourinho, Conte, Tuchel, SARRI
You should know the score by now⚽️
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So just to repeat so it's loud & clear.

You didn't like Tuchel then?

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
Theoretical is those players did not want to be just squad players. That isxwhy they left.
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I don’t get how so many miss this point. Players have a big influence over their own careers. If they wanted to be squad players at Chelsea, chances are a lot of them would have been.
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Exactly, they have the choice. Take Mount for example, his Father told him to leave Chelsea but he made the choice to stay and fight.

It's down to the players at the end of the day. Apart from Tomori, none of our academy players that have left have set the world on fire. Having said that, the club did feck up with its management of defenders.

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 minutes ago

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
Theoretical is those players did not want to be just squad players. That isxwhy they left.
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I don’t get how so many miss this point. Players have a big influence over their own careers. If they wanted to be squad players at Chelsea, chances are a lot of them would have been.
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Exactly, they have the choice. Take Mount for example, his Father told him to leave Chelsea but he made the choice to stay and fight.

It's down to the players at the end of the day. Apart from Tomori, none of our academy players that have left have set the world on fire. Having said that, the club did feck up with its management of defenders.
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Tbf CMF's argument to this would be giving them contracts they haven't earnt or remotely reflects their values?????

Er, I mean, that are fair & justified like the one Hudson-Odoi's on

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 3 minutes ago

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
Theoretical is those players did not want to be just squad players. That isxwhy they left.
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I don’t get how so many miss this point. Players have a big influence over their own careers. If they wanted to be squad players at Chelsea, chances are a lot of them would have been.
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Exactly, they have the choice. Take Mount for example, his Father told him to leave Chelsea but he made the choice to stay and fight.

It's down to the players at the end of the day. Apart from Tomori, none of our academy players that have left have set the world on fire. Having said that, the club did feck up with its management of defenders.
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Tbf CMF's argument to this would be giving them contracts they haven't earnt or remotely reflects their values?????

Er, I mean, that are fair & justified like the one Hudson-Odoi's on
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Daylight robbery

comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
The number of players we have allowed to escape or sold too early is quite staggerring, especially when you look at how weak our squad is in certain areas and that we have spent a lot of money very unwisely. The likes of Tomori, Guehi, Lamptey and Livramento would have given us a lot more defensive depth and are at least decent squad players. We have Colwill and Maatsen out on loan when they could be part of our squad.
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Yep.

The ironic thing with the aforementioned managers (and damfool fans) that fail to appreciate the value and look at the bigger picture of using & developing young players over expensive experienced middling buys is...that said expensive buys will invariably need a lot of time to adjust as well, more so than the players that have spent their whole childhood at the club with stronger mentalities invested in the club.

Managers will bend over backwards to defend their buys, even when these experienced players make glaring (endless) mistakes, patently need dropping and are a detriment to the team...
Bakayoko prime example that immediately springs to mind.

Mistakes & time which will never be tolerated or afforded to academy...
Never a level playing field.

Experience is everything with these type of managers, even when there is irrefutable evidence to support youth can be relied on more. A warped mindset, which I don't stand for.