comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
McWinston
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its a when someone makes sense and you didnt pick up on it at first and resort to trying to insult them.

my point made perfect sense.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 50 minutes ago
the whole he needs to win a world cup thing ir retarted IMO.

So are we saying if Messi scores hatrick in the final the game goes to penalties he scores his but another argie misses and they lose it .....

why does that player missing the penalty make Messi less of a player?
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judging players on team accolades is ridiculous imo. yes if they repeatedly fail in good teams and dont win anything then use it. But for someone who has won multiple titles then it's a moot point.

Footballers should be judged by their individual performances. Messi doesn't need to win anything else for me to know he was the best of a generation

comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 50 minutes ago
the whole he needs to win a world cup thing ir retarted IMO.

So are we saying if Messi scores hatrick in the final the game goes to penalties he scores his but another argie misses and they lose it .....

why does that player missing the penalty make Messi less of a player?
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judging players on team accolades is ridiculous imo. yes if they repeatedly fail in good teams and dont win anything then use it. But for someone who has won multiple titles then it's a moot point.

Footballers should be judged by their individual performances. Messi doesn't need to win anything else for me to know he was the best of a generation
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essentially if your from San Marino you cannot be the best player ever regardless how good you actually are

Yes, the notion that you have to win a World Cup to be the greatest is absolute nonsense.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
McWinston
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its awhen someone makes sense and you didnt pick up on it at first and resort to trying to insult them.

my point made perfect sense.
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Mention context just for me

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 14 seconds ago
Yes, the notion that you have to win a World Cup to be the greatest is absolute nonsense.
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Boomers will drop the requirement if Messi wins it this year and will be replaced with something else. Something about being kicked or something.

comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
McWinston
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its awhen someone makes sense and you didnt pick up on it at first and resort to trying to insult them.

my point made perfect sense.
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Mention context just for me
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look you were the one that tried to have a go at my post which made perfect sense.

after realising that you decided not to focus on the point I made and instead are going after me.

i dont really need to add anything else.

Unless you wanna actually discuss the point I made , rather than try to argue over some fantasy you have with another poster then pipe doon.

comment by Derick Osei (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 14 seconds ago
Yes, the notion that you have to win a World Cup to be the greatest is absolute nonsense.
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Boomers will drop the requirement if Messi wins it this year and will be replaced with something else. Something about being kicked or something.
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Doubt it, they’ll just say it has to be three or won singlehandedly.

comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Derick Osei (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 14 seconds ago
Yes, the notion that you have to win a World Cup to be the greatest is absolute nonsense.
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Boomers will drop the requirement if Messi wins it this year and will be replaced with something else. Something about being kicked or something.
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Doubt it, they’ll just say it has to be three or won singlehandedly.
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handed being the key part there.

Winning something singlehandedly is another phrase I can't stand. No footballer has ever won any team trophy singlehandedly.

also people say that height is something of a hinderance in football.

4 guys essentially are the most talked about as the GOATs.

Messi - 5'7
R7 - 6'2
Pele - 5'8
Maradona - 5'6

that would suggest its more of a benefit to being smaller ..........?

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 second ago
also people say that height is something of a hinderance in football.

4 guys essentially are the most talked about as the GOATs.

Messi - 5'7
R7 - 6'2
Pele - 5'8
Maradona - 5'6

that would suggest its more of a benefit to being smaller ..........?
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Fair point. Many of the really top players are smaller lads.

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
Winning something singlehandedly is another phrase I can't stand. No footballer has ever won any team trophy singlehandedly.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LO1dqfX4OQ

this guy says otherwise

comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 4 minutes ago
Winning something singlehandedly is another phrase I can't stand. No footballer has ever won any team trophy singlehandedly.
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Indeed.

comment by Derick Osei (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 14 seconds ago
Yes, the notion that you have to win a World Cup to be the greatest is absolute nonsense.
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Boomers will drop the requirement if Messi wins it this year and will be replaced with something else. Something about being kicked or something.
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Peds?

comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Derick Osei (U1734)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 14 seconds ago
Yes, the notion that you have to win a World Cup to be the greatest is absolute nonsense.
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Boomers will drop the requirement if Messi wins it this year and will be replaced with something else. Something about being kicked or something.
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Peds?
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most likely .... and outwith the HGH stuff that we know bout its highly likely he is using PED's along with the vast majority of them.

Most defenders/defensive players are athletes who as kids didn't have the technical qualities to excel as attackers, so some youth coach or something found a way for them to be useful on the pitch. Yes, attackers are better than defenders. No, a non-attacking player can't be GOAT. There is no equivalent of Messi/Ronaldo/Pele/Maradonna in the deeper roles.

Many top midfielders or defenders were converted attackers. Modric for example was seen as a no.10. I remember when he was at Spurs and he usually played in that role or as one of the wide attackers in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. He wasn't productive as a scorer or creator though. I remember it was injuries that compelled Redknapp to deploy him deeper (the first season Spurs qualified for CL) and he never looked back. Scholes earlier in his career was deployed further forward, but became the best midfielder of his generation in England when his qualities were deployed deeper. Beckenbauer was an attacking player who later played defense. The likes of Pirlo and Schweinsteiger started off as attacking players and were deployed as deeper-lying maestros later in their careers. Shows attacking players have more versatile qualities than those operating deeper. Not sure I recall too many instances of a defender who became a world class forward.

comment by Sheriff John Brown - Arteta OUT!!! (U7482)
posted 3 minutes ago
Most defenders/defensive players are athletes who as kids didn't have the technical qualities to excel as attackers, so some youth coach or something found a way for them to be useful on the pitch. Yes, attackers are better than defenders. No, a non-attacking player can't be GOAT. There is no equivalent of Messi/Ronaldo/Pele/Maradonna in the deeper roles.

Many top midfielders or defenders were converted attackers. Modric for example was seen as a no.10. I remember when he was at Spurs and he usually played in that role or as one of the wide attackers in a 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3. He wasn't productive as a scorer or creator though. I remember it was injuries that compelled Redknapp to deploy him deeper (the first season Spurs qualified for CL) and he never looked back. Scholes earlier in his career was deployed further forward, but became the best midfielder of his generation in England when his qualities were deployed deeper. Beckenbauer was an attacking player who later played defense. The likes of Pirlo and Schweinsteiger started off as attacking players and were deployed as deeper-lying maestros later in their careers. Shows attacking players have more versatile qualities than those operating deeper. Not sure I recall too many instances of a defender who became a world class forward.
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Bale?

Chris Sutton

comment by Barefoot (U19770)
posted 1 minute ago
Chris Sutton
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Gary Doherty

Yeah, I can give you Bale. Though the incompetence of his youth coaches has to the reason that one of the most explosive footballers I've ever seen with a ridiculous left foot and a very serious goal threat was playing at fullback. I recall Bale as a kid was basically barred from playing more than one-touch footy and using his left foot because of how far above his peers he was. Seems the Southampton coaches decided to keep restricting him cos they felt too sorry for the opponent. What makes it baffling is Bale was never particularly good defensively, so have no idea why anyone ever saw him as a LB.

comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 2 hours, 11 minutes ago
Goat pace

Wtf is this? An alternative to horse racing
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I could do with an alternative. Had a terrible day so far.

Though the incompetence of his youth coaches has to the reason that one of the most explosive footballers I've ever seen with a ridiculous left foot and a very serious goal threat was playing at fullback.
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He didn’t have that when he broke through into senior football, though. Bale was always rated as a player with potential as an attacking full back, wing back or left mid. That he became one of the most devastating forwards in the world is a testament to his own development as a player. He played far above the level that was ever expected of him.

Agree with the general gist about attackers. Mist professional footballers will have been attackers at some stage in their youth career, this is especially true of players coming through the top academies.

Pele biggest fraud in world football