As someone who actually has seen him play for multiple seasons I can say that Gakpo for 50m is not much of a risk and could even propel himself to a Salah or Mané level of status on the long run - judging on his skillset and providing that there is sufficient chemistry with the teammates.
I think, at the minimum, he will be an able body due to his pinpoint progressive passing and crossing, intelligent runs and one-two's with decent ability to dribble to boot. He doesn't have the speed of a Mané or Salah, but he is by no means slow. His technique is decent, but not Brazilian level stuff. The physicality of the Premier League might give him a false start and as mentioned before, the chemistry will be very important. For example, his linkup play with his ex teammate, Xavi Simons, is superb while he doesn't enjoy the same understanding with his teammates in the national team.
With the talent we have up front, Gakpo has every chance to excel: another outlet for accurate passing and crossing, smart link up play in tight spaces, just like Salah, he will seek spaces to run into and he's the most deadly when delivering that final ball or indirect assist, even when it's crowded.
comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
posted 26 minutes ago
Diaz was a Ward signing.
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He was identified and lined up by Edwards the summer beforehand. The only reason he wasn’t signed was because the agreement was that he’d come in the summer after.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m terrified of your well established intellect TOOR, let me gather my best argument. Please give be a day and a half and please hold your breath.
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Yeah that was a great attempt. Obviously you know what you said was clearly absolute nonsense and therefore you have nothing to give. But well done on the throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to back it up.
Top post.
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Thanks for giving me less than 200 seconds to formulate my response
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Surely you don't make a comment without the comment being based on something? Oh that's right, it was a throwaway comment. Carry on.
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Home life okay TOOR? Seem very angry and hope the wife and kids okay, nice to see the lapdogs joining.
Anyway signings that Michael Edwards was responsible for:
Luis Diaz
Jota
Minamino
Shaqiri
Salah
Mane
& when he was in charge of foreword recruitment at spurs
VDV
Adebayor (loan)
Only Minamino is a question mark
Klopp in the meantime at Liverpool is just
Nunez
Gakpo
I don’t know all the Dortmund business but do know he wanted Immobile who flopped
Similarly Klopp Liverpool signings like Thiago don’t seem as good a systemic fit
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So the entire basis of your comment is that Edwards was responsible for all the signings before he left and Klopp is responsible for the two signings since Edwards left?
Wow.
I knew it was going to be poor but not this poor.
You do know(well in fact you don't as you made the above comment) that both Liverpool and Dortmund operate with a committee of stakeholders who collaborate in making signings, which Klopp then has final say on?
Edwards was replaced by Ward, so if above is your ridiculous argument then it should be Edwards signings were good but not so much Ward. This would be a tiny bit less stupid than your actual comment.
In the real world one man isn't responsible for successful transfers or flops. Edwards himself had a big role in the likes of Aspas, Markovic and Benteke. It was Comolli who brought him to the club, as they began the stats based recruitment strategy. It took years of failures in the transfer market for this strategy to become what it is today and there are a host of people responsible for it. One is obviously Klopp who as I said before has final say.
One thing is for sure, you cannot lay either any particular flop or any particular success as one man, not Klopp and not Edwards. Where Edwards seemed to excel was actually getting deals done extremely quick to beat off the competition. The actually identifying and choosing players was done by a whole host of people.
People are still stuck in this old school mindset of managers buying players. Most clubs in the PL transitioned away from that well over a decade ago. This is how Arsenal were first able to compete with United on a lesser budget, that's how long ago it began.
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That was a lot of words and mansplaining without saying much TOOR.
Klopps role transitioned more from a coach to a manager in recent years as reported from the Athletic. He has had more of a day within the club, obviously we don’t know exactly what he has and hasn’t done but while he may have vetoed previous transfers, his targets that were heavily reported as identified by him is Nunez and Thiago.
You have got yourself so wound up by a comment that wasn’t particularly pretty damming of Klopp. I just said that Edwards record with attackers is amazing and Klopps is less so (less than amazing is still a high bar) - yet you’ve strawmanned your knickers in the most almighty twist.
I think it’s pretty well considered from all those that understand football that the transfer success Edwards did in his ~5 years is pretty unparalleled, saying Klopp is less than one of the best directors of football in the world isn’t that bad.
Massive backtracking from Edin.
It’s not backtracking, read my first comment.
Thiago has been great for us, just the injuries have been frustrating. I don't think you'll find many concerns about Nunez among Liverpool fans either. Yeah he needs to start taking chances more but he will still score a good amount regardless.
comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
posted 22 seconds ago
Thiago has been great for us, just the injuries have been frustrating. I don't think you'll find many concerns about Nunez among Liverpool fans either. Yeah he needs to start taking chances more but he will still score a good amount regardless.
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Thiago is a great player but I’ve said it a few times isn’t cut out for the prem as shown by his injury record
I read somewhere above Klopp only signs players fit for your system ….I’d argue Thiago is not fit for klopps high intensity , hit the wings early game (not long ball!)
Thiago is more suited to Man City if there was a team built for him in the prem (or arsenal) but as good as he is he has never been a Klopp type player ….for me anyway
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m terrified of your well established intellect TOOR, let me gather my best argument. Please give be a day and a half and please hold your breath.
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Yeah that was a great attempt. Obviously you know what you said was clearly absolute nonsense and therefore you have nothing to give. But well done on the throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to back it up.
Top post.
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Thanks for giving me less than 200 seconds to formulate my response
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Surely you don't make a comment without the comment being based on something? Oh that's right, it was a throwaway comment. Carry on.
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Home life okay TOOR? Seem very angry and hope the wife and kids okay, nice to see the lapdogs joining.
Anyway signings that Michael Edwards was responsible for:
Luis Diaz
Jota
Minamino
Shaqiri
Salah
Mane
& when he was in charge of foreword recruitment at spurs
VDV
Adebayor (loan)
Only Minamino is a question mark
Klopp in the meantime at Liverpool is just
Nunez
Gakpo
I don’t know all the Dortmund business but do know he wanted Immobile who flopped
Similarly Klopp Liverpool signings like Thiago don’t seem as good a systemic fit
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So the entire basis of your comment is that Edwards was responsible for all the signings before he left and Klopp is responsible for the two signings since Edwards left?
Wow.
I knew it was going to be poor but not this poor.
You do know(well in fact you don't as you made the above comment) that both Liverpool and Dortmund operate with a committee of stakeholders who collaborate in making signings, which Klopp then has final say on?
Edwards was replaced by Ward, so if above is your ridiculous argument then it should be Edwards signings were good but not so much Ward. This would be a tiny bit less stupid than your actual comment.
In the real world one man isn't responsible for successful transfers or flops. Edwards himself had a big role in the likes of Aspas, Markovic and Benteke. It was Comolli who brought him to the club, as they began the stats based recruitment strategy. It took years of failures in the transfer market for this strategy to become what it is today and there are a host of people responsible for it. One is obviously Klopp who as I said before has final say.
One thing is for sure, you cannot lay either any particular flop or any particular success as one man, not Klopp and not Edwards. Where Edwards seemed to excel was actually getting deals done extremely quick to beat off the competition. The actually identifying and choosing players was done by a whole host of people.
People are still stuck in this old school mindset of managers buying players. Most clubs in the PL transitioned away from that well over a decade ago. This is how Arsenal were first able to compete with United on a lesser budget, that's how long ago it began.
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That was a lot of words and mansplaining without saying much TOOR.
Klopps role transitioned more from a coach to a manager in recent years as reported from the Athletic. He has had more of a day within the club, obviously we don’t know exactly what he has and hasn’t done but while he may have vetoed previous transfers, his targets that were heavily reported as identified by him is Nunez and Thiago.
You have got yourself so wound up by a comment that wasn’t particularly pretty damming of Klopp. I just said that Edwards record with attackers is amazing and Klopps is less so (less than amazing is still a high bar) - yet you’ve strawmanned your knickers in the most almighty twist.
I think it’s pretty well considered from all those that understand football that the transfer success Edwards did in his ~5 years is pretty unparalleled, saying Klopp is less than one of the best directors of football in the world isn’t that bad.
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I'm not wound up at all. I just asked you to provide an explanation for your stupid comment. Your explanation was then more stupid than I thought it was going to be, which I pointed out.
If anything it gave me a laugh which is far from being wound up.
The only people who wind me up on here are people on the Liverpool match threads, which I stay away from. I don't get wound up by stupid comments from fans of other clubs.
Thiago has been an excellent signing for a good fee. Not sure why people think otherwise.
Yes - he gets injuries but still plays loads of games and justifies his fee.
Liverpool don't get much wrong in the transfer market these days.
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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posted 20 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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I wasn't being a wаnker about it. I stated Edin made a throwaway comment with no basis. He then attempted to base it on absolute nonsense. I explained the situation and you still made the same point as Edin.
As I said before, read and understand then comment.
Don't blame me for you both making stupid comments. Take some responsibility for your comments, then perhaps you would have to lash out when it's pointed out that your comments are nonsense.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 20 seconds ago
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posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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I wasn't being a wаnker about it. I stated Edin made a throwaway comment with no basis. He then attempted to base it on absolute nonsense. I explained the situation and you still made the same point as Edin.
As I said before, read and understand then comment.
Don't blame me for you both making stupid comments. Take some responsibility for your comments, then perhaps you would have to lash out when it's pointed out that your comments are nonsense.
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‘Take responsibility ‘
‘Read and understand ‘
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comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 39 minutes ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was a pretty pointless comment though, without any actual foundation.
comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Thiago has been great for us, just the injuries have been frustrating. I don't think you'll find many concerns about Nunez among Liverpool fans either. Yeah he needs to start taking chances more but he will still score a good amount regardless.
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He’s been interesting player, individually great but I’m unsure if his +’s outweigh the effect it has on the system. The best version I saw from Liverpool had Fabinho-Wijnaldum-Hendo and I’ve always felt the team feels a little imbalanced with Thiago in the side when the initial press is getting bypassed
It wasn’t a throw away comment TOOR it was in response to Jimmy who was a few comments above. You seriously need to stop drinking and chill out, I fear for your kids/missus.
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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So you were defending his comment even though you didn’t actually understand it yourself? Nothing to do with him being a fellow Spurs fan?
Edwards was fundamental. Famous stories like Klopp wanted Brant and Gotze but Edwards gave him Salah. However Klopps record when it comes to training forwards is unquestionable. If the forward has the ethics then the system will cater for them. Gakpo is a Klopp style player.
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posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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So you were defending his comment even though you didn’t actually understand it yourself? Nothing to do with him being a fellow Spurs fan?
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Yep that’s what I said 👍
That Spurs fan hasn't a clue about our transfer dealings. If we credit Edwards with all the good transfer dealings in the Klopp era we should held him responsible for the shte transfers like Balotelli and Benteke when Rodgers was the manager. He was a member of the transfer committee at that time.
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posted 57 minutes ago
Edwards was fundamental. Famous stories like Klopp wanted Brant and Gotze but Edwards gave him Salah. However Klopps record when it comes to training forwards is unquestionable. If the forward has the ethics then the system will cater for them. Gakpo is a Klopp style player.
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Yeah Klopp as a coach and man manager is one of the best in the world
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posted on 27/12/22
As someone who actually has seen him play for multiple seasons I can say that Gakpo for 50m is not much of a risk and could even propel himself to a Salah or Mané level of status on the long run - judging on his skillset and providing that there is sufficient chemistry with the teammates.
I think, at the minimum, he will be an able body due to his pinpoint progressive passing and crossing, intelligent runs and one-two's with decent ability to dribble to boot. He doesn't have the speed of a Mané or Salah, but he is by no means slow. His technique is decent, but not Brazilian level stuff. The physicality of the Premier League might give him a false start and as mentioned before, the chemistry will be very important. For example, his linkup play with his ex teammate, Xavi Simons, is superb while he doesn't enjoy the same understanding with his teammates in the national team.
With the talent we have up front, Gakpo has every chance to excel: another outlet for accurate passing and crossing, smart link up play in tight spaces, just like Salah, he will seek spaces to run into and he's the most deadly when delivering that final ball or indirect assist, even when it's crowded.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
posted 26 minutes ago
Diaz was a Ward signing.
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He was identified and lined up by Edwards the summer beforehand. The only reason he wasn’t signed was because the agreement was that he’d come in the summer after.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m terrified of your well established intellect TOOR, let me gather my best argument. Please give be a day and a half and please hold your breath.
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Yeah that was a great attempt. Obviously you know what you said was clearly absolute nonsense and therefore you have nothing to give. But well done on the throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to back it up.
Top post.
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Thanks for giving me less than 200 seconds to formulate my response
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Surely you don't make a comment without the comment being based on something? Oh that's right, it was a throwaway comment. Carry on.
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Home life okay TOOR? Seem very angry and hope the wife and kids okay, nice to see the lapdogs joining.
Anyway signings that Michael Edwards was responsible for:
Luis Diaz
Jota
Minamino
Shaqiri
Salah
Mane
& when he was in charge of foreword recruitment at spurs
VDV
Adebayor (loan)
Only Minamino is a question mark
Klopp in the meantime at Liverpool is just
Nunez
Gakpo
I don’t know all the Dortmund business but do know he wanted Immobile who flopped
Similarly Klopp Liverpool signings like Thiago don’t seem as good a systemic fit
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So the entire basis of your comment is that Edwards was responsible for all the signings before he left and Klopp is responsible for the two signings since Edwards left?
Wow.
I knew it was going to be poor but not this poor.
You do know(well in fact you don't as you made the above comment) that both Liverpool and Dortmund operate with a committee of stakeholders who collaborate in making signings, which Klopp then has final say on?
Edwards was replaced by Ward, so if above is your ridiculous argument then it should be Edwards signings were good but not so much Ward. This would be a tiny bit less stupid than your actual comment.
In the real world one man isn't responsible for successful transfers or flops. Edwards himself had a big role in the likes of Aspas, Markovic and Benteke. It was Comolli who brought him to the club, as they began the stats based recruitment strategy. It took years of failures in the transfer market for this strategy to become what it is today and there are a host of people responsible for it. One is obviously Klopp who as I said before has final say.
One thing is for sure, you cannot lay either any particular flop or any particular success as one man, not Klopp and not Edwards. Where Edwards seemed to excel was actually getting deals done extremely quick to beat off the competition. The actually identifying and choosing players was done by a whole host of people.
People are still stuck in this old school mindset of managers buying players. Most clubs in the PL transitioned away from that well over a decade ago. This is how Arsenal were first able to compete with United on a lesser budget, that's how long ago it began.
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That was a lot of words and mansplaining without saying much TOOR.
Klopps role transitioned more from a coach to a manager in recent years as reported from the Athletic. He has had more of a day within the club, obviously we don’t know exactly what he has and hasn’t done but while he may have vetoed previous transfers, his targets that were heavily reported as identified by him is Nunez and Thiago.
You have got yourself so wound up by a comment that wasn’t particularly pretty damming of Klopp. I just said that Edwards record with attackers is amazing and Klopps is less so (less than amazing is still a high bar) - yet you’ve strawmanned your knickers in the most almighty twist.
I think it’s pretty well considered from all those that understand football that the transfer success Edwards did in his ~5 years is pretty unparalleled, saying Klopp is less than one of the best directors of football in the world isn’t that bad.
posted on 27/12/22
Massive backtracking from Edin.
posted on 27/12/22
It’s not backtracking, read my first comment.
posted on 27/12/22
First comment today *
posted on 27/12/22
Thiago has been great for us, just the injuries have been frustrating. I don't think you'll find many concerns about Nunez among Liverpool fans either. Yeah he needs to start taking chances more but he will still score a good amount regardless.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
posted 22 seconds ago
Thiago has been great for us, just the injuries have been frustrating. I don't think you'll find many concerns about Nunez among Liverpool fans either. Yeah he needs to start taking chances more but he will still score a good amount regardless.
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Thiago is a great player but I’ve said it a few times isn’t cut out for the prem as shown by his injury record
I read somewhere above Klopp only signs players fit for your system ….I’d argue Thiago is not fit for klopps high intensity , hit the wings early game (not long ball!)
Thiago is more suited to Man City if there was a team built for him in the prem (or arsenal) but as good as he is he has never been a Klopp type player ….for me anyway
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 hour, 19 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 41 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 1 minute ago
I’m terrified of your well established intellect TOOR, let me gather my best argument. Please give be a day and a half and please hold your breath.
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Yeah that was a great attempt. Obviously you know what you said was clearly absolute nonsense and therefore you have nothing to give. But well done on the throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to back it up.
Top post.
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Thanks for giving me less than 200 seconds to formulate my response
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Surely you don't make a comment without the comment being based on something? Oh that's right, it was a throwaway comment. Carry on.
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Home life okay TOOR? Seem very angry and hope the wife and kids okay, nice to see the lapdogs joining.
Anyway signings that Michael Edwards was responsible for:
Luis Diaz
Jota
Minamino
Shaqiri
Salah
Mane
& when he was in charge of foreword recruitment at spurs
VDV
Adebayor (loan)
Only Minamino is a question mark
Klopp in the meantime at Liverpool is just
Nunez
Gakpo
I don’t know all the Dortmund business but do know he wanted Immobile who flopped
Similarly Klopp Liverpool signings like Thiago don’t seem as good a systemic fit
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So the entire basis of your comment is that Edwards was responsible for all the signings before he left and Klopp is responsible for the two signings since Edwards left?
Wow.
I knew it was going to be poor but not this poor.
You do know(well in fact you don't as you made the above comment) that both Liverpool and Dortmund operate with a committee of stakeholders who collaborate in making signings, which Klopp then has final say on?
Edwards was replaced by Ward, so if above is your ridiculous argument then it should be Edwards signings were good but not so much Ward. This would be a tiny bit less stupid than your actual comment.
In the real world one man isn't responsible for successful transfers or flops. Edwards himself had a big role in the likes of Aspas, Markovic and Benteke. It was Comolli who brought him to the club, as they began the stats based recruitment strategy. It took years of failures in the transfer market for this strategy to become what it is today and there are a host of people responsible for it. One is obviously Klopp who as I said before has final say.
One thing is for sure, you cannot lay either any particular flop or any particular success as one man, not Klopp and not Edwards. Where Edwards seemed to excel was actually getting deals done extremely quick to beat off the competition. The actually identifying and choosing players was done by a whole host of people.
People are still stuck in this old school mindset of managers buying players. Most clubs in the PL transitioned away from that well over a decade ago. This is how Arsenal were first able to compete with United on a lesser budget, that's how long ago it began.
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That was a lot of words and mansplaining without saying much TOOR.
Klopps role transitioned more from a coach to a manager in recent years as reported from the Athletic. He has had more of a day within the club, obviously we don’t know exactly what he has and hasn’t done but while he may have vetoed previous transfers, his targets that were heavily reported as identified by him is Nunez and Thiago.
You have got yourself so wound up by a comment that wasn’t particularly pretty damming of Klopp. I just said that Edwards record with attackers is amazing and Klopps is less so (less than amazing is still a high bar) - yet you’ve strawmanned your knickers in the most almighty twist.
I think it’s pretty well considered from all those that understand football that the transfer success Edwards did in his ~5 years is pretty unparalleled, saying Klopp is less than one of the best directors of football in the world isn’t that bad.
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I'm not wound up at all. I just asked you to provide an explanation for your stupid comment. Your explanation was then more stupid than I thought it was going to be, which I pointed out.
If anything it gave me a laugh which is far from being wound up.
The only people who wind me up on here are people on the Liverpool match threads, which I stay away from. I don't get wound up by stupid comments from fans of other clubs.
posted on 27/12/22
Thiago has been an excellent signing for a good fee. Not sure why people think otherwise.
Yes - he gets injuries but still plays loads of games and justifies his fee.
Liverpool don't get much wrong in the transfer market these days.
posted on 27/12/22
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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I wasn't being a wаnker about it. I stated Edin made a throwaway comment with no basis. He then attempted to base it on absolute nonsense. I explained the situation and you still made the same point as Edin.
As I said before, read and understand then comment.
Don't blame me for you both making stupid comments. Take some responsibility for your comments, then perhaps you would have to lash out when it's pointed out that your comments are nonsense.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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I wasn't being a wаnker about it. I stated Edin made a throwaway comment with no basis. He then attempted to base it on absolute nonsense. I explained the situation and you still made the same point as Edin.
As I said before, read and understand then comment.
Don't blame me for you both making stupid comments. Take some responsibility for your comments, then perhaps you would have to lash out when it's pointed out that your comments are nonsense.
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‘Take responsibility ‘
‘Read and understand ‘
Listen to this tool
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 39 minutes ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was a pretty pointless comment though, without any actual foundation.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
posted 1 hour, 35 minutes ago
Thiago has been great for us, just the injuries have been frustrating. I don't think you'll find many concerns about Nunez among Liverpool fans either. Yeah he needs to start taking chances more but he will still score a good amount regardless.
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He’s been interesting player, individually great but I’m unsure if his +’s outweigh the effect it has on the system. The best version I saw from Liverpool had Fabinho-Wijnaldum-Hendo and I’ve always felt the team feels a little imbalanced with Thiago in the side when the initial press is getting bypassed
posted on 27/12/22
It wasn’t a throw away comment TOOR it was in response to Jimmy who was a few comments above. You seriously need to stop drinking and chill out, I fear for your kids/missus.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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So you were defending his comment even though you didn’t actually understand it yourself? Nothing to do with him being a fellow Spurs fan?
posted on 27/12/22
Edwards was fundamental. Famous stories like Klopp wanted Brant and Gotze but Edwards gave him Salah. However Klopps record when it comes to training forwards is unquestionable. If the forward has the ethics then the system will cater for them. Gakpo is a Klopp style player.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 1 minute ago
Didn’t edin only say Klopp had a less impressive record than Edwards when it came to forwards ?
That’s not that stupid though and if evidence was used Edwards does have a very good transfer history ? But it’s hardly a throw away comment
Doesn’t mean Klopp is useless though which is how it seems to have been taken?
Just means Edwards is better
Sounds reasonable enough
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It was absolutely a throwaway comment with nothing whatsoever to base it on, evidenced by his attempt to base it on Edwards signed players before he left and Klopp signed players after Edwards left, when in actual fact Edwards was replaced by Ward and the committee stayed intact.
You have to actually read what's written and attempt to understand it before making a comment. You've somehow come to exactly the same conclusion as Edin, which is worse since you had the benefit of it being explained previous. Edwards did not make signings before he left, Klopp did not take on Edwards' role after Edwards left.
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Then like edin and the thread I’ve got edwards role wrong at the club ….no need to be a complete whanker about it ….edin right on that one you need to chill out a bit
My post was full of questions not statements meaning I wasn’t really sure
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So you were defending his comment even though you didn’t actually understand it yourself? Nothing to do with him being a fellow Spurs fan?
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Yep that’s what I said 👍
posted on 27/12/22
That Spurs fan hasn't a clue about our transfer dealings. If we credit Edwards with all the good transfer dealings in the Klopp era we should held him responsible for the shte transfers like Balotelli and Benteke when Rodgers was the manager. He was a member of the transfer committee at that time.
posted on 27/12/22
comment by (K̇ash) - FSG OUT (Get a move on!) - Free Pal... (U1108)
posted 57 minutes ago
Edwards was fundamental. Famous stories like Klopp wanted Brant and Gotze but Edwards gave him Salah. However Klopps record when it comes to training forwards is unquestionable. If the forward has the ethics then the system will cater for them. Gakpo is a Klopp style player.
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Yeah Klopp as a coach and man manager is one of the best in the world
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