comment by The Very Rev Wilko (U21072)
posted 5 minutes ago
Jesse saying best performance since he came? - we lost to below par Villa.
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He really says some bizarre things.
A cockney red. Says it all. Embarrassing lad.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
90% of the premier league have a better keeper. Leeds fans massively overrating him doesn’t change that. There’s a reason West Ham’s sub keeper is ahead of him for France.
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Yeah you’re right of course … sorry for challenging you
Yawn 🥱
Lets be honest, there hasnt been many good performances under Jesse.
The amount of points where we have snatched points at the death is incredible.
Best performance so far …..stinks of a manager trying to buy himself more time.
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Lets be honest, there hasnt been many good performances under Jesse.
The amount of points where we have snatched points at the death is incredible.
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He seems like a decent lad and you can see the players try their best
But it all feels like a guy whose out of his depth. We are soft and lack a toughness and a spine.
I feel with the squad we have, especially from attack wise we should be doing better.
I do think we are defensively poor. Koch, Firpo, Kristensen, Roca, Aaronson, James... A lot of wasted money as it stands
Wasn't it like this at Leipzig..,..came in, spent a load, 16 games later was gone.
Very suspect at top level, but Leeds will give him at least this whole season.
If we end up in bottom three he will be gone. They won't want to risk relegation
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 8 hours, 36 minutes ago
Lets be honest, there hasnt been many good performances under Jesse.
The amount of points where we have snatched points at the death is incredible.
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Not that it matters when you score a goal but since you brought it up. There were some last year for sure. But this season? Cardiff might be fresh in the mind, But the amount of league games we’ve won points at the death? Liverpool was last few minutes. That’s it,
Unless you mean last 10 minutes, then you can have Bournemouth. But if the games stopped at 80 minutes we’d have more points not less. … Southampton, spurs.
As for performances. There haven’t been many great ones. But spin it on its head. How many sides have dominated us? Not many… We’ve been competitive in the vast majority of games. We’ve just been a soft touch defensively. We all know we’re too open and vulnerable on the counter, but take out the blatant schoolboy errors as opposed to goals scored from system weaknesses. and we’re not having discussions about relegation.
At the risk of coming across as unsympathetic, this league is all about staying in it.
Based on last nights 'performance, I'm increasingly beginning to believe we are going to struggle to achieve that.
We have 20 games to attain 7 wins plus a couple of draws.
If you get turned over continually by a mediocre team on the counter attack because you cant legislate or have any contigency for the breakdown of a corner or a basic High press you are going to struggle and in our case severely.
Got no time for blaming refs, VAR etc etc.
Our best performance under JM was last game of the season - ultimately against 9 men!
Milky
overall pal.
wolves away when a dubious red card, changed game
brenrford away, when they were down to nine men.
There as been barely a comfortable win.
I really like this squad, tonnes of potential, and I dont think its been managed correctly.
Were every struggling teams lifeline.
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
Milky
overall pal.
wolves away when a dubious red card, changed game
brenrford away, when they were down to nine men.
There as been barely a comfortable win.
I really like this squad, tonnes of potential, and I dont think its been managed correctly.
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Yep.
Interesting fact Rodrigo is the top scoring Spaniard in the top five European leagues.
Gnonto is a talent, that kid is special.
Adams looks amazing
Mes is a top, top keeper.
Harrison is still Harrison.
There is clearly great players in the side.
They are just hampered by a manager out of his depth.
Honestly I really, really hope that the USA looking for a manager sorts that problem out for us...
I think the most comfortable win we've had was Chelsea bizarrely.
I think he'll be gone soon. There seems to be a bit of money coming into the club and I don't think whoever it's coming from will gamble on relegation by leaving a subpar manager in charge of some pretty expensive players.
I hope so anyway.
even the ever optimist in me, is getting fed up with our tactics
also over spending on players in this xfer window scares me, especially rutter, he is about 10 months older? than gnonto ( who we got for £3.5 ) is worth 10 times as much.
i know if you are good enough you are old enough but very young very talented players are a rare commodity....
Hmmm...totally frustrating. We bossed the game but conceded at the worst time and in the worst ways. Marginal decisions went against us. Some of our players underperformed at critical points - Struijk is the obvious example. LIW is definitely on to something with regard to Marsch's tactics and questions must be asked about his selection (Aaronson?) and substitutions (wtf was Firpo doing on the pitch?) We are always far too vulnerable in defence. It seems we are now dropping inexorably towards relegation.
Even so, it doesn't seem like we are capitulating. Gnonto is really going for it. Rodrigo still looks dangerous. Bamford will hopefully now be free of any demon doubts. Harrison seems to have upped his game again. Adams is consistently putting in a shift.
In any case, the club is currently investing in players - which suggests Marsch's job is safe until we approach the end of the season. If we go down, the value of the club will drop and Radrizzani will not make so much money - he may be selling up soon - so if relegation does look as likely as last season, Marsch may go sooner.
On balance then, I reckon he's got another ten games or so, depending on results. If we avoid the drop, he'll keep his job until the new owners take over?
I’m not actually a marsch ‘fan’, and I wouldn’t be bothered if he’s sacked but I don’t think there’s much balance on here, hence why I speak out. So here is the alternative view;
Maybe he is out of his depth. Maybe we can get Sean dyche in to park the bus.., but maybe all this great attacking talent we have suddenly wouldn’t look so good. Maybe Rodrigo - widely considered a flop previously -,is flourishing because of the narrow formation and quick passing. People question Harrison through the middle but he looked good there I thought. People question Summerville on the left and yet it’s enabled him to score goals cutting in… etc.
Changes don’t happen in a vacuum, change one thing it impacts others.
People say there’s no plan, headless chickens etc. But there is a methodology behind moving the ball quickly vertically. It’s high risk so you give the ball away a lot and press aggressively to win it back. The pressing might look like blokes randomly chasing the ball but it’s actually quite sophisticated as timing is important as is cutting out passing lanes. And we have created a stack of chances and scored plenty of goals from doing just that.
It’s a results business, if they don’t change he’s gone - but coaches look at various metrics and performance indicators - and ours, in most of them are of a comfortably midtable side.
To the fans who really think he sends them out to just run around - what does that say about all these top managers who’s teams really struggle with it. You think it was super coach unai emery’s master plan last night for his side to be hemmed in and cough up a load of chances?
We were the better side last night, by a distance, maybe they looked bad because we made them look bad. We’re typically in exciting games and the neutrals I know enjoy watching us and think we’re a better side than most Leeds fan do.
My biggest beef with marsch/orta is a failure to address that defenders who might look great in training, don’t have the concentration levels and in some cases, simply enough pace to play in this type of team to the level required in the PL. We’re spending multi millions on a 20 year old striker.. and looking to strengthen midfield. All well and good but we couldn’t defend well enough under bielsa and we can’t do it now… some of it is style of play but it ain’t all about systems.
Whether wober helps, time will tell.
Rant over. Congrats to any who made it this far. Appreciate this is a minority opinion (on here certainly) and I get, and respect, the other view.
Thought that was well worth reading, Milkyboy - all the way through.
comment by kammys left foot (U21862)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
even the ever optimist in me, is getting fed up with our tactics
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Good God.
Another excellent post, Milky. A rant, yes, but a reasoned and insightful one. Perhaps there is some method in his madness, but to bring in a left sided defender and not play him until we have given away our customary two goals is surely madness, wouldn’t you agree?
… marschian, the reason given was him not being fully fit, (not played since before the World Cup) hence marsch asking him if he had 45 mins in him at Cardiff.
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posted on 13/1/23
comment by The Very Rev Wilko (U21072)
posted 5 minutes ago
Jesse saying best performance since he came? - we lost to below par Villa.
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He really says some bizarre things.
posted on 13/1/23
A cockney red. Says it all. Embarrassing lad.
posted on 13/1/23
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
90% of the premier league have a better keeper. Leeds fans massively overrating him doesn’t change that. There’s a reason West Ham’s sub keeper is ahead of him for France.
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Yeah you’re right of course … sorry for challenging you
Yawn 🥱
posted on 13/1/23
Lets be honest, there hasnt been many good performances under Jesse.
The amount of points where we have snatched points at the death is incredible.
posted on 13/1/23
Best performance so far …..stinks of a manager trying to buy himself more time.
posted on 14/1/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
Lets be honest, there hasnt been many good performances under Jesse.
The amount of points where we have snatched points at the death is incredible.
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He seems like a decent lad and you can see the players try their best
But it all feels like a guy whose out of his depth. We are soft and lack a toughness and a spine.
I feel with the squad we have, especially from attack wise we should be doing better.
I do think we are defensively poor. Koch, Firpo, Kristensen, Roca, Aaronson, James... A lot of wasted money as it stands
posted on 14/1/23
Wasn't it like this at Leipzig..,..came in, spent a load, 16 games later was gone.
Very suspect at top level, but Leeds will give him at least this whole season.
posted on 14/1/23
If we end up in bottom three he will be gone. They won't want to risk relegation
posted on 14/1/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 8 hours, 36 minutes ago
Lets be honest, there hasnt been many good performances under Jesse.
The amount of points where we have snatched points at the death is incredible.
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Not that it matters when you score a goal but since you brought it up. There were some last year for sure. But this season? Cardiff might be fresh in the mind, But the amount of league games we’ve won points at the death? Liverpool was last few minutes. That’s it,
Unless you mean last 10 minutes, then you can have Bournemouth. But if the games stopped at 80 minutes we’d have more points not less. … Southampton, spurs.
As for performances. There haven’t been many great ones. But spin it on its head. How many sides have dominated us? Not many… We’ve been competitive in the vast majority of games. We’ve just been a soft touch defensively. We all know we’re too open and vulnerable on the counter, but take out the blatant schoolboy errors as opposed to goals scored from system weaknesses. and we’re not having discussions about relegation.
posted on 14/1/23
At the risk of coming across as unsympathetic, this league is all about staying in it.
Based on last nights 'performance, I'm increasingly beginning to believe we are going to struggle to achieve that.
We have 20 games to attain 7 wins plus a couple of draws.
If you get turned over continually by a mediocre team on the counter attack because you cant legislate or have any contigency for the breakdown of a corner or a basic High press you are going to struggle and in our case severely.
Got no time for blaming refs, VAR etc etc.
Our best performance under JM was last game of the season - ultimately against 9 men!
posted on 14/1/23
Milky
overall pal.
wolves away when a dubious red card, changed game
brenrford away, when they were down to nine men.
There as been barely a comfortable win.
I really like this squad, tonnes of potential, and I dont think its been managed correctly.
posted on 14/1/23
Were every struggling teams lifeline.
posted on 14/1/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
Milky
overall pal.
wolves away when a dubious red card, changed game
brenrford away, when they were down to nine men.
There as been barely a comfortable win.
I really like this squad, tonnes of potential, and I dont think its been managed correctly.
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Yep.
Interesting fact Rodrigo is the top scoring Spaniard in the top five European leagues.
Gnonto is a talent, that kid is special.
Adams looks amazing
Mes is a top, top keeper.
Harrison is still Harrison.
There is clearly great players in the side.
They are just hampered by a manager out of his depth.
Honestly I really, really hope that the USA looking for a manager sorts that problem out for us...
posted on 14/1/23
I think the most comfortable win we've had was Chelsea bizarrely.
I think he'll be gone soon. There seems to be a bit of money coming into the club and I don't think whoever it's coming from will gamble on relegation by leaving a subpar manager in charge of some pretty expensive players.
I hope so anyway.
posted on 14/1/23
even the ever optimist in me, is getting fed up with our tactics
also over spending on players in this xfer window scares me, especially rutter, he is about 10 months older? than gnonto ( who we got for £3.5 ) is worth 10 times as much.
i know if you are good enough you are old enough but very young very talented players are a rare commodity....
posted on 14/1/23
Hmmm...totally frustrating. We bossed the game but conceded at the worst time and in the worst ways. Marginal decisions went against us. Some of our players underperformed at critical points - Struijk is the obvious example. LIW is definitely on to something with regard to Marsch's tactics and questions must be asked about his selection (Aaronson?) and substitutions (wtf was Firpo doing on the pitch?) We are always far too vulnerable in defence. It seems we are now dropping inexorably towards relegation.
Even so, it doesn't seem like we are capitulating. Gnonto is really going for it. Rodrigo still looks dangerous. Bamford will hopefully now be free of any demon doubts. Harrison seems to have upped his game again. Adams is consistently putting in a shift.
In any case, the club is currently investing in players - which suggests Marsch's job is safe until we approach the end of the season. If we go down, the value of the club will drop and Radrizzani will not make so much money - he may be selling up soon - so if relegation does look as likely as last season, Marsch may go sooner.
On balance then, I reckon he's got another ten games or so, depending on results. If we avoid the drop, he'll keep his job until the new owners take over?
posted on 14/1/23
I’m not actually a marsch ‘fan’, and I wouldn’t be bothered if he’s sacked but I don’t think there’s much balance on here, hence why I speak out. So here is the alternative view;
Maybe he is out of his depth. Maybe we can get Sean dyche in to park the bus.., but maybe all this great attacking talent we have suddenly wouldn’t look so good. Maybe Rodrigo - widely considered a flop previously -,is flourishing because of the narrow formation and quick passing. People question Harrison through the middle but he looked good there I thought. People question Summerville on the left and yet it’s enabled him to score goals cutting in… etc.
Changes don’t happen in a vacuum, change one thing it impacts others.
People say there’s no plan, headless chickens etc. But there is a methodology behind moving the ball quickly vertically. It’s high risk so you give the ball away a lot and press aggressively to win it back. The pressing might look like blokes randomly chasing the ball but it’s actually quite sophisticated as timing is important as is cutting out passing lanes. And we have created a stack of chances and scored plenty of goals from doing just that.
It’s a results business, if they don’t change he’s gone - but coaches look at various metrics and performance indicators - and ours, in most of them are of a comfortably midtable side.
To the fans who really think he sends them out to just run around - what does that say about all these top managers who’s teams really struggle with it. You think it was super coach unai emery’s master plan last night for his side to be hemmed in and cough up a load of chances?
We were the better side last night, by a distance, maybe they looked bad because we made them look bad. We’re typically in exciting games and the neutrals I know enjoy watching us and think we’re a better side than most Leeds fan do.
My biggest beef with marsch/orta is a failure to address that defenders who might look great in training, don’t have the concentration levels and in some cases, simply enough pace to play in this type of team to the level required in the PL. We’re spending multi millions on a 20 year old striker.. and looking to strengthen midfield. All well and good but we couldn’t defend well enough under bielsa and we can’t do it now… some of it is style of play but it ain’t all about systems.
Whether wober helps, time will tell.
Rant over. Congrats to any who made it this far. Appreciate this is a minority opinion (on here certainly) and I get, and respect, the other view.
posted on 14/1/23
Thought that was well worth reading, Milkyboy - all the way through.
posted on 14/1/23
Agree with OP 100%.
posted on 14/1/23
comment by kammys left foot (U21862)
posted 4 hours, 3 minutes ago
even the ever optimist in me, is getting fed up with our tactics
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Good God.
posted on 14/1/23
Another excellent post, Milky. A rant, yes, but a reasoned and insightful one. Perhaps there is some method in his madness, but to bring in a left sided defender and not play him until we have given away our customary two goals is surely madness, wouldn’t you agree?
posted on 15/1/23
… marschian, the reason given was him not being fully fit, (not played since before the World Cup) hence marsch asking him if he had 45 mins in him at Cardiff.
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