I'm Conte out now too. I think given the right players he's still a top manager and he did a superb job last season getting top 4.
But he's not going to hang around long under ENIC so get rid now and go back to a project manager.
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 24 seconds ago
serious question do u think spurs should be higher than 5th
of all the teams that are above u city and united have spent stupid money
newcastle have money but howe has improved them steadily
arsenal are having an unreal season everythnig seems to have just gelled for them but theyve been under achieving for ages
if you feel u should be higher than 5 th im not sure who u think should drop out of that top 4
ur still above liverpool cheslea teams who should be above u given their spend or squad
lester everton should be doing much better too
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The answer is in your own post. We should not be below Newcastle. They have not splashed the cash in the way City and Chelsea did (and still do). Their improvement must be credited to the manager imo.
Conte has not improved any of our players as far as I can see. Hence our recent results and record of falling a goal behind in something like 8 out of the last 9 PL games.
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 4 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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that's his job, to stop shots , if your keeper done the same then you may have got something from the game.
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
serious question do u think spurs should be higher than 5th
of all the teams that are above u city and united have spent stupid money
newcastle have money but howe has improved them steadily
arsenal are having an unreal season everythnig seems to have just gelled for them but theyve been under achieving for ages
if you feel u should be higher than 5 th im not sure who u think should drop out of that top 4
ur still above liverpool cheslea teams who should be above u given their spend or squad
lester everton should be doing much better too
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The statement about Newcastle completely undoes your argument. They've been assembled as a squad on a fraction of the overall cost of ours yet he's got them looking like a proper team.
Poch had a team assembled for less than our current one finish 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th with a CL final.
Good managers get more out of a squad than the sum of their parts. Conte can't.
Liverpool are in transition right now so they're bound to have a wobble. Chelsea the same. We kind of are too but at the same time none of us have seen any progress in the last year at all. We play probably the worst football in the league and we're lower down than when we played better football under Poch. That's why we're angry. 5th is the low bar for Spurs over the last 7 years or so.
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 5 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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Ah yes, Sandy. For who, Sanchez
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 7 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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Be quiet Sandy Clown.
Also, let's be honest here - Kane is responsible alone for single-handedly keeping us clinging on and hoping for the CL. If Conte wasn't fortunate enough to have a player like him on board, we'd easily be bottom half, possibly flirting with relegation.
In short, Conte has not improved one player. That's the headline.
"As I said on Don’s article, Conte has shown himself to be a one trick pony. The only setup he seems to know is 3 at the back, 2 WBs and 2 in central midfield. And in order to inexplicably stick to this system at all costs, he plays square pegs in round holes."
Agree. We would have done better with an old 4-3-3 setup. And try to score in the first half.
I think its right...Conte has to go.
He will walk anyways.
And who would want to pick up this ENIC mess?
(BTW,...Kane will leave)
in fairness to newcastle they had steve bruce for ages so its hard to kjnow how much potential was in the team
i watched them yesterday against fulham and they shouldve lost
howe has made them defensively solid though
pope was a brilliant signing and should be england number 1
theyve signed trippier and bottman who have both improved them
moving jolinten to midfield was genius tho he was awful as a forward but seems a new player now
maybe u ought to be above newcastle but then chelsea and liverpool probably ought to be above you
i dont think youre in an unrealistic position
conte is a class manager who could you replace him with who would be an improvement
If it were me, I'd sack him now and bring in Poch to assess the squad he has prior to summer plans. Write off this season and reset. Even if that means Kane leaves. Let's face it, we're not going to be able to match his ambition before he faces retirement anyway.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 minute ago
So you lost a big game last night.
You're still through to the CL knockout stage. Still in the Cup. And still within touching distance of Top 4 with more than half the season left to play.
You lot should be worshipping the ground Conte walks on.
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Typical knee jerk to be honest.
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Fir me other Conte signs a contract or leaves. The players will take the p**s if they think he's leaving.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 43 seconds ago
If it were me, I'd sack him now and bring in Poch to assess the squad he has prior to summer plans. Write off this season and reset. Even if that means Kane leaves. Let's face it, we're not going to be able to match his ambition before he faces retirement anyway.
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Contes mind and heart doesn't look in it. Maybe loss of 2 close friends has added to lack of drive or his confusion. Either way Spurs isn't a therapy provider. He needs to leave and get his head right.
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 39 seconds ago
in fairness to newcastle they had steve bruce for ages so its hard to kjnow how much potential was in the team
i watched them yesterday against fulham and they shouldve lost
howe has made them defensively solid though
pope was a brilliant signing and should be england number 1
theyve signed trippier and bottman who have both improved them
moving jolinten to midfield was genius tho he was awful as a forward but seems a new player now
maybe u ought to be above newcastle but then chelsea and liverpool probably ought to be above you
i dont think youre in an unrealistic position
conte is a class manager who could you replace him with who would be an improvement
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"Conte is a class manager"
This is such one-dimensional thinking. So you believe that a "class" manager will be class at any club? Don't be naive. He's great when you've got the perfect squad to hit the ground running for a title charge but he's just not good enough at the very thing we need - coaching a squad to be greater than the sum of their parts, improving young players and building a project. He has a skillset not dissimilar to Jose, and that went down like a shiiiiiit sandwich at Spurs too.
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 minute ago
So you lost a big game last night.
You're still through to the CL knockout stage. Still in the Cup. And still within touching distance of Top 4 with more than half the season left to play.
You lot should be worshipping the ground Conte walks on.
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Typical knee jerk to be honest.
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Fir me other Conte signs a contract or leaves. The players will take the p**s if they think he's leaving.
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Personally I don't think he deserves a new contract.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 7 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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Be quiet Sandy Clown.
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Going to filter me you little snowflake?
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 43 seconds ago
If it were me, I'd sack him now and bring in Poch to assess the squad he has prior to summer plans. Write off this season and reset. Even if that means Kane leaves. Let's face it, we're not going to be able to match his ambition before he faces retirement anyway.
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Contes mind and heart doesn't look in it. Maybe loss of 2 close friends has added to lack of drive or his confusion. Either way Spurs isn't a therapy provider. He needs to leave and get his head right.
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This is a good observation. The death of two close friends has made Conte realise that there are more important things than football. BUT, as heartless as it sounds, we need a manager for whom winning is a matter of life and death!
fair enough fridgeboy i only see it as an outsider
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 7 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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Be quiet Sandy Clown.
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Going to filter me you little snowflake?
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Bit difficult to filter all 47 of your accounts, and rising.
I'm not sure what the answer is anymore....the club can never seem to get it quite right.
Legit feels like we are destined for failure forever...🤣
I don't feel poch is the answer mind.
For me the formation is not the issue. All formations are dynamic and while Conte is quite rigid in his approach, the formation allows for the CBs to step into the midfield, CMs to get into the box, wing backs to get forward and in the box and 3 attackers on the pitch who can stay wide or come central.
Where the difference is between teams like Spurs and Arsenal is the attitude, the energy and the positivity, compounded by the ability of some players in key positions.
Starting at the back the ball is not moved forward quick enough or incisively enough. They are either pressed and usually cough it up or lump it, or the opposition retreat get organised and make it hard to break them down.
Players like Holjberg really lack passing ability and take too many touches. When he tries something different, like a threaded pass or big switch of play its 50/50 if it works. Partey and Xhaka while performing similar defensive functions are fr superior in possession.
Someone like Zinchenko is way better on the ball than Sessegnon.
Without Bentancur we truly lack any forward vision from anyway across the 7 defensive and midfield positions. I was impressed with Sarr yesterday. He really did try to do something with the ball, he took the odd risk, got himself out of tight positions to break a press. In those situations, PEH loses it or just passes backwards.
Our poor starts to game characterises this neutral/negative mentality. If the instructions are to keep it solid, assess the opposition, look to build but dont take too many risks then that mindset promotes cautious, slow, predictable play. If the instruction is to go out there, press, thinking and acting quickly, movement, then everyone is switched on and there is tempo. But for us the urgency only comes when we are losing.
You could see from the 2nd half we are able to play more in that way, but it's as if Conte doesnt trust us to open up or trust us to be fit enough to maintain it. For me it is not a lack of ability to motivate the team, its an approach and a mindset that is being instilled into them. I think the players are carrying out the managers instructions OR are being overly cautious out of fear.
Too soon for Conte to go. We clearly have a need for several new players. Lets hope 1 or 2 can come in this Jan and have the impact like last year.
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 6 minutes ago
fair enough fridgeboy i only see it as an outsider
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It's a fair question. I think most non-Spurs fans would say the same thing but there's so much more at play in our reasoning behind our frustrations with Conte. Performances are a massive part. We finished 5th in our first season under Poch but we didn't mind that as everyone could see the improvement on the pitch, and that beared fruit the following season and beyond. With Conte it feels like his tactics are not only dull but they're seeing us routinely go behind in games and only when the players throw away his tactics and go for it in an effort to get back in the game, do we look any good. The position in the league only really tells part of the story.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 minute ago
So you lost a big game last night.
You're still through to the CL knockout stage. Still in the Cup. And still within touching distance of Top 4 with more than half the season left to play.
You lot should be worshipping the ground Conte walks on.
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Typical knee jerk to be honest.
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Fir me other Conte signs a contract or leaves. The players will take the p**s if they think he's leaving.
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Personally I don't think he deserves a new contract.
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Same.
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 4 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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that's his job, to stop shots , if your keeper done the same then you may have got something from the game.
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See even these Arsenal fans admit the only difference between the two sides is the performance of the keeper
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
For me the formation is not the issue. All formations are dynamic and while Conte is quite rigid in his approach, the formation allows for the CBs to step into the midfield, CMs to get into the box, wing backs to get forward and in the box and 3 attackers on the pitch who can stay wide or come central.
Where the difference is between teams like Spurs and Arsenal is the attitude, the energy and the positivity, compounded by the ability of some players in key positions.
Starting at the back the ball is not moved forward quick enough or incisively enough. They are either pressed and usually cough it up or lump it, or the opposition retreat get organised and make it hard to break them down.
Players like Holjberg really lack passing ability and take too many touches. When he tries something different, like a threaded pass or big switch of play its 50/50 if it works. Partey and Xhaka while performing similar defensive functions are fr superior in possession.
Someone like Zinchenko is way better on the ball than Sessegnon.
Without Bentancur we truly lack any forward vision from anyway across the 7 defensive and midfield positions. I was impressed with Sarr yesterday. He really did try to do something with the ball, he took the odd risk, got himself out of tight positions to break a press. In those situations, PEH loses it or just passes backwards.
Our poor starts to game characterises this neutral/negative mentality. If the instructions are to keep it solid, assess the opposition, look to build but dont take too many risks then that mindset promotes cautious, slow, predictable play. If the instruction is to go out there, press, thinking and acting quickly, movement, then everyone is switched on and there is tempo. But for us the urgency only comes when we are losing.
You could see from the 2nd half we are able to play more in that way, but it's as if Conte doesnt trust us to open up or trust us to be fit enough to maintain it. For me it is not a lack of ability to motivate the team, its an approach and a mindset that is being instilled into them. I think the players are carrying out the managers instructions OR are being overly cautious out of fear.
Too soon for Conte to go. We clearly have a need for several new players. Lets hope 1 or 2 can come in this Jan and have the impact like last year.
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I think this is a fair assessment. But my only counter is that the fluidity that you say the formation should provide is just not happening. We are too open in central midfield and that exposes an already dodgy defence and this is why we keep conceding the first goal (8 time out of the last 9 PL games).
Any manager would look at this and say that we need more bodies in midfield - i.e. 3. There was no excuse for Conte to setup like that yesterday (and again on Thursday).
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 4 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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that's his job, to stop shots , if your keeper done the same then you may have got something from the game.
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See even these Arsenal fans admit the only difference between the two sides is the performance of the keeper
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posted on 16/1/23
I'm Conte out now too. I think given the right players he's still a top manager and he did a superb job last season getting top 4.
But he's not going to hang around long under ENIC so get rid now and go back to a project manager.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 24 seconds ago
serious question do u think spurs should be higher than 5th
of all the teams that are above u city and united have spent stupid money
newcastle have money but howe has improved them steadily
arsenal are having an unreal season everythnig seems to have just gelled for them but theyve been under achieving for ages
if you feel u should be higher than 5 th im not sure who u think should drop out of that top 4
ur still above liverpool cheslea teams who should be above u given their spend or squad
lester everton should be doing much better too
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The answer is in your own post. We should not be below Newcastle. They have not splashed the cash in the way City and Chelsea did (and still do). Their improvement must be credited to the manager imo.
Conte has not improved any of our players as far as I can see. Hence our recent results and record of falling a goal behind in something like 8 out of the last 9 PL games.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 4 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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that's his job, to stop shots , if your keeper done the same then you may have got something from the game.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
serious question do u think spurs should be higher than 5th
of all the teams that are above u city and united have spent stupid money
newcastle have money but howe has improved them steadily
arsenal are having an unreal season everythnig seems to have just gelled for them but theyve been under achieving for ages
if you feel u should be higher than 5 th im not sure who u think should drop out of that top 4
ur still above liverpool cheslea teams who should be above u given their spend or squad
lester everton should be doing much better too
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The statement about Newcastle completely undoes your argument. They've been assembled as a squad on a fraction of the overall cost of ours yet he's got them looking like a proper team.
Poch had a team assembled for less than our current one finish 4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th with a CL final.
Good managers get more out of a squad than the sum of their parts. Conte can't.
Liverpool are in transition right now so they're bound to have a wobble. Chelsea the same. We kind of are too but at the same time none of us have seen any progress in the last year at all. We play probably the worst football in the league and we're lower down than when we played better football under Poch. That's why we're angry. 5th is the low bar for Spurs over the last 7 years or so.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 5 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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Ah yes, Sandy. For who, Sanchez
posted on 16/1/23
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 7 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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Be quiet Sandy Clown.
posted on 16/1/23
Also, let's be honest here - Kane is responsible alone for single-handedly keeping us clinging on and hoping for the CL. If Conte wasn't fortunate enough to have a player like him on board, we'd easily be bottom half, possibly flirting with relegation.
In short, Conte has not improved one player. That's the headline.
posted on 16/1/23
"As I said on Don’s article, Conte has shown himself to be a one trick pony. The only setup he seems to know is 3 at the back, 2 WBs and 2 in central midfield. And in order to inexplicably stick to this system at all costs, he plays square pegs in round holes."
Agree. We would have done better with an old 4-3-3 setup. And try to score in the first half.
I think its right...Conte has to go.
He will walk anyways.
And who would want to pick up this ENIC mess?
(BTW,...Kane will leave)
posted on 16/1/23
in fairness to newcastle they had steve bruce for ages so its hard to kjnow how much potential was in the team
i watched them yesterday against fulham and they shouldve lost
howe has made them defensively solid though
pope was a brilliant signing and should be england number 1
theyve signed trippier and bottman who have both improved them
moving jolinten to midfield was genius tho he was awful as a forward but seems a new player now
maybe u ought to be above newcastle but then chelsea and liverpool probably ought to be above you
i dont think youre in an unrealistic position
conte is a class manager who could you replace him with who would be an improvement
posted on 16/1/23
If it were me, I'd sack him now and bring in Poch to assess the squad he has prior to summer plans. Write off this season and reset. Even if that means Kane leaves. Let's face it, we're not going to be able to match his ambition before he faces retirement anyway.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 minute ago
So you lost a big game last night.
You're still through to the CL knockout stage. Still in the Cup. And still within touching distance of Top 4 with more than half the season left to play.
You lot should be worshipping the ground Conte walks on.
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Typical knee jerk to be honest.
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Fir me other Conte signs a contract or leaves. The players will take the p**s if they think he's leaving.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 43 seconds ago
If it were me, I'd sack him now and bring in Poch to assess the squad he has prior to summer plans. Write off this season and reset. Even if that means Kane leaves. Let's face it, we're not going to be able to match his ambition before he faces retirement anyway.
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Contes mind and heart doesn't look in it. Maybe loss of 2 close friends has added to lack of drive or his confusion. Either way Spurs isn't a therapy provider. He needs to leave and get his head right.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 39 seconds ago
in fairness to newcastle they had steve bruce for ages so its hard to kjnow how much potential was in the team
i watched them yesterday against fulham and they shouldve lost
howe has made them defensively solid though
pope was a brilliant signing and should be england number 1
theyve signed trippier and bottman who have both improved them
moving jolinten to midfield was genius tho he was awful as a forward but seems a new player now
maybe u ought to be above newcastle but then chelsea and liverpool probably ought to be above you
i dont think youre in an unrealistic position
conte is a class manager who could you replace him with who would be an improvement
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"Conte is a class manager"
This is such one-dimensional thinking. So you believe that a "class" manager will be class at any club? Don't be naive. He's great when you've got the perfect squad to hit the ground running for a title charge but he's just not good enough at the very thing we need - coaching a squad to be greater than the sum of their parts, improving young players and building a project. He has a skillset not dissimilar to Jose, and that went down like a shiiiiiit sandwich at Spurs too.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 minute ago
So you lost a big game last night.
You're still through to the CL knockout stage. Still in the Cup. And still within touching distance of Top 4 with more than half the season left to play.
You lot should be worshipping the ground Conte walks on.
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Typical knee jerk to be honest.
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Fir me other Conte signs a contract or leaves. The players will take the p**s if they think he's leaving.
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Personally I don't think he deserves a new contract.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 7 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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Be quiet Sandy Clown.
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Going to filter me you little snowflake?
posted on 16/1/23
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 25 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 43 seconds ago
If it were me, I'd sack him now and bring in Poch to assess the squad he has prior to summer plans. Write off this season and reset. Even if that means Kane leaves. Let's face it, we're not going to be able to match his ambition before he faces retirement anyway.
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Contes mind and heart doesn't look in it. Maybe loss of 2 close friends has added to lack of drive or his confusion. Either way Spurs isn't a therapy provider. He needs to leave and get his head right.
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This is a good observation. The death of two close friends has made Conte realise that there are more important things than football. BUT, as heartless as it sounds, we need a manager for whom winning is a matter of life and death!
posted on 16/1/23
fair enough fridgeboy i only see it as an outsider
posted on 16/1/23
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 7 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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Be quiet Sandy Clown.
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Going to filter me you little snowflake?
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Bit difficult to filter all 47 of your accounts, and rising.
posted on 16/1/23
I'm not sure what the answer is anymore....the club can never seem to get it quite right.
Legit feels like we are destined for failure forever...🤣
I don't feel poch is the answer mind.
posted on 16/1/23
For me the formation is not the issue. All formations are dynamic and while Conte is quite rigid in his approach, the formation allows for the CBs to step into the midfield, CMs to get into the box, wing backs to get forward and in the box and 3 attackers on the pitch who can stay wide or come central.
Where the difference is between teams like Spurs and Arsenal is the attitude, the energy and the positivity, compounded by the ability of some players in key positions.
Starting at the back the ball is not moved forward quick enough or incisively enough. They are either pressed and usually cough it up or lump it, or the opposition retreat get organised and make it hard to break them down.
Players like Holjberg really lack passing ability and take too many touches. When he tries something different, like a threaded pass or big switch of play its 50/50 if it works. Partey and Xhaka while performing similar defensive functions are fr superior in possession.
Someone like Zinchenko is way better on the ball than Sessegnon.
Without Bentancur we truly lack any forward vision from anyway across the 7 defensive and midfield positions. I was impressed with Sarr yesterday. He really did try to do something with the ball, he took the odd risk, got himself out of tight positions to break a press. In those situations, PEH loses it or just passes backwards.
Our poor starts to game characterises this neutral/negative mentality. If the instructions are to keep it solid, assess the opposition, look to build but dont take too many risks then that mindset promotes cautious, slow, predictable play. If the instruction is to go out there, press, thinking and acting quickly, movement, then everyone is switched on and there is tempo. But for us the urgency only comes when we are losing.
You could see from the 2nd half we are able to play more in that way, but it's as if Conte doesnt trust us to open up or trust us to be fit enough to maintain it. For me it is not a lack of ability to motivate the team, its an approach and a mindset that is being instilled into them. I think the players are carrying out the managers instructions OR are being overly cautious out of fear.
Too soon for Conte to go. We clearly have a need for several new players. Lets hope 1 or 2 can come in this Jan and have the impact like last year.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 6 minutes ago
fair enough fridgeboy i only see it as an outsider
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It's a fair question. I think most non-Spurs fans would say the same thing but there's so much more at play in our reasoning behind our frustrations with Conte. Performances are a massive part. We finished 5th in our first season under Poch but we didn't mind that as everyone could see the improvement on the pitch, and that beared fruit the following season and beyond. With Conte it feels like his tactics are not only dull but they're seeing us routinely go behind in games and only when the players throw away his tactics and go for it in an effort to get back in the game, do we look any good. The position in the league only really tells part of the story.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Ioavirgo (U10470)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 1 minute ago
So you lost a big game last night.
You're still through to the CL knockout stage. Still in the Cup. And still within touching distance of Top 4 with more than half the season left to play.
You lot should be worshipping the ground Conte walks on.
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Typical knee jerk to be honest.
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Fir me other Conte signs a contract or leaves. The players will take the p**s if they think he's leaving.
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Personally I don't think he deserves a new contract.
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Same.
posted on 16/1/23
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 4 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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that's his job, to stop shots , if your keeper done the same then you may have got something from the game.
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See even these Arsenal fans admit the only difference between the two sides is the performance of the keeper
posted on 16/1/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
For me the formation is not the issue. All formations are dynamic and while Conte is quite rigid in his approach, the formation allows for the CBs to step into the midfield, CMs to get into the box, wing backs to get forward and in the box and 3 attackers on the pitch who can stay wide or come central.
Where the difference is between teams like Spurs and Arsenal is the attitude, the energy and the positivity, compounded by the ability of some players in key positions.
Starting at the back the ball is not moved forward quick enough or incisively enough. They are either pressed and usually cough it up or lump it, or the opposition retreat get organised and make it hard to break them down.
Players like Holjberg really lack passing ability and take too many touches. When he tries something different, like a threaded pass or big switch of play its 50/50 if it works. Partey and Xhaka while performing similar defensive functions are fr superior in possession.
Someone like Zinchenko is way better on the ball than Sessegnon.
Without Bentancur we truly lack any forward vision from anyway across the 7 defensive and midfield positions. I was impressed with Sarr yesterday. He really did try to do something with the ball, he took the odd risk, got himself out of tight positions to break a press. In those situations, PEH loses it or just passes backwards.
Our poor starts to game characterises this neutral/negative mentality. If the instructions are to keep it solid, assess the opposition, look to build but dont take too many risks then that mindset promotes cautious, slow, predictable play. If the instruction is to go out there, press, thinking and acting quickly, movement, then everyone is switched on and there is tempo. But for us the urgency only comes when we are losing.
You could see from the 2nd half we are able to play more in that way, but it's as if Conte doesnt trust us to open up or trust us to be fit enough to maintain it. For me it is not a lack of ability to motivate the team, its an approach and a mindset that is being instilled into them. I think the players are carrying out the managers instructions OR are being overly cautious out of fear.
Too soon for Conte to go. We clearly have a need for several new players. Lets hope 1 or 2 can come in this Jan and have the impact like last year.
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I think this is a fair assessment. But my only counter is that the fluidity that you say the formation should provide is just not happening. We are too open in central midfield and that exposes an already dodgy defence and this is why we keep conceding the first goal (8 time out of the last 9 PL games).
Any manager would look at this and say that we need more bodies in midfield - i.e. 3. There was no excuse for Conte to setup like that yesterday (and again on Thursday).
posted on 16/1/23
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by AFCISMYTEAM (U14931)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by sock (U22913)
posted 4 minutes ago
Knee jerk reaction, Arsenal got lucky yesterday as their keeper rescued them. We can still win the CL. Biggest fault with Conte is that he needs to drop Dier though
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that's his job, to stop shots , if your keeper done the same then you may have got something from the game.
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See even these Arsenal fans admit the only difference between the two sides is the performance of the keeper
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Please don't spoil another thread by just constantly repeating the same pash post after post
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