comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 11 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, we tried that.
A bunch of "Thatcherite" Tory ideologues in their 40s and 50s (many of whom were still in nappies during the brutal Maggie years), overthrew the government and got one of their own into Downing Street last September. Even got one of their own in charge of the Exchequer.
Then they went about implementing all those "Britannia Unchained" fantasies written about by people like Kwasi Kwarteng. The kind of "government efficiency" and "tax-slashing" talk you would expect to hear from teenagers at an Eton debating club. (Or a JA606 thread)
Then came the silly mini-budget. To great fanfare from the right-wing press, I might add.
But, as with all fantasies, the numbers did not add up. They couldn't even find a way to make the pension numbers work. The absolute holy grail of their older voting bloc.
And it turns out they didn't even bother to run the numbers past the Bank of England. A childish attempt at playing to the gallery by "sticking it to the establishment."
They spooked the market, triggering a meltdown. And it was only the emergency intervention of the "establishment" BoE that saved the country from a wholesale collapse of its pension funds, a spiralling debt market, a run on the Pound, and a freefalling government bond market.
Pretty much self- inflicted financial Armageddon.
Won't be long before yet another populist like Liz Truss pops up and takes us down the same path again.
Just hope there are lots of Brexit & working class Tory voters sitting in the cold and dark eating food bank baked beans straight from the can.
You get what you f*cking deserve.
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
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Well not “we” but they definitely do and we do as a country.
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 54 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you want to know what's in store for us, just look at Japan.
A country with a median age of about 50. Where about a third of the population (31%) is over 65.
A situation which inevitably forces every subsequent government to pander to this vocal yet, dare I say it, "unproductive" segment of the population.
Imagine that. A government whose sole aim over the past 30 years has to keep inflation below 2% in a bid to keep pensioners on fixed incomes happy.
Completely condemning generation after generation of young adults to decades of chronic deflationary pressure, low economic growth, chronic underemployment and zero development of new housing. All of this wrapped up in a decades-long cloud of performative right-wing political theatrics (Shinzo Abe et.al.)
There's our future right there.
I wouldn't be surprised to see any subsequent British referendum in the next 10-20 years swing even farther to the populist RW fringe as the population grows greyer.
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole campaign was a good indicator for the state of politics in Britain. Tet for tat, lies, deceit, on both sides.
Brexit was a horrible decision and the fact Cameron used a national vote to save his position says all you need to know.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 hours, 17 minutes ago
The one that gets me, is train drivers. Average earner on £60k a year.
Jokers.
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Pish!
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
Well, we tried that.
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We really didn't. Thatcher addressed the big issues and had a plan how to pay for it. Possibly went better than she expected? Reagan and others being elected and falling in line probably helped? Globally, the IMF accepted that growth using current strategies and at any cost was unsustainable and that inflation needing reigned in was more important, that mild recession could be a cure. It was a rare period post-war where the £ has appreciated in value.
Truss had no plan, only some vision as you say. Whether Sunak does is early days but he at least has some credibility. Starmer too. Rest irrelevant, unfortunately.
Problem is our electorate only want to hear the vision and not the plan because the medicine sometimes tastes not so nice. Fack Question Time. Put them all up against a Dragon's Den. Suspect they'd all go home empty handed? Meanwhile the electorate would be tuned into Love Island or some similar scheite.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole campaign was a good indicator for the state of politics in Britain. Tet for tat, lies, deceit, on both sides.
Brexit was a horrible decision and the fact Cameron used a national vote to save his position says all you need to know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A temporary save TBF.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, Thatcher gave every public worker a 'unaffordable' 25% pay rise as soon as she was elected. That's how she actually ended the strikes in 1979. Everybody went back to work happy(ier) an got on with working and producing stuff. There is a lesson for Sunak there.
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, Thatcher gave every public worker a 'unaffordable' 25% pay rise as soon as she was elected. That's how she actually ended the strikes in 1979. Everybody went back to work happy(ier) an got on with working and producing stuff. There is a lesson for Sunak there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the statistics for inflation in that period though.
79 13%, 78 8%, 77 15%, 76 16%, 75 24%, 74 16%
All well and good pointing at a 25% increase but the workforce weren’t getting 2-5% every year like the striking union members are now.
people will still vote tory though
basically people are stupid
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
people will still vote tory though
basically people are stupid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They will, but a lot more will vote labour. This Tory leadership is dead
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 54 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you want to know what's in store for us, just look at Japan.
A country with a median age of about 50. Where about a third of the population (31%) is over 65.
A situation which inevitably forces every subsequent government to pander to this vocal yet, dare I say it, "unproductive" segment of the population.
Imagine that. A government whose sole aim over the past 30 years has to keep inflation below 2% in a bid to keep pensioners on fixed incomes happy.
Completely condemning generation after generation of young adults to decades of chronic deflationary pressure, low economic growth, chronic underemployment and zero development of new housing. All of this wrapped up in a decades-long cloud of performative right-wing political theatrics (Shinzo Abe et.al.)
There's our future right there.
I wouldn't be surprised to see any subsequent British referendum in the next 10-20 years swing even farther to the populist RW fringe as the population grows greyer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine if you had worked for 50 years and your pension was fixed. With inflation at5% by the time you are 70 you are living in poverty, while the younger generation is getting better off.
Your future is right there.
This Tory leadership is dead
...
its been dead since cameron but that hasnt stopped 4 more of them taking the pee
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, Thatcher gave every public worker a 'unaffordable' 25% pay rise as soon as she was elected. That's how she actually ended the strikes in 1979. Everybody went back to work happy(ier) an got on with working and producing stuff. There is a lesson for Sunak there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the statistics for inflation in that period though.
79 13%, 78 8%, 77 15%, 76 16%, 75 24%, 74 16%
All well and good pointing at a 25% increase but the workforce weren’t getting 2-5% every year like the striking union members are now.
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so Nurses and paramedics have had had 5% pay rises year on year since 2013?
Busby you are a complete idiot.
We need to go back to Europe and the madness and Xenophobia
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, Thatcher gave every public worker a 'unaffordable' 25% pay rise as soon as she was elected. That's how she actually ended the strikes in 1979. Everybody went back to work happy(ier) an got on with working and producing stuff. There is a lesson for Sunak there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the statistics for inflation in that period though.
79 13%, 78 8%, 77 15%, 76 16%, 75 24%, 74 16%
All well and good pointing at a 25% increase but the workforce weren’t getting 2-5% every year like the striking union members are now.
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so Nurses and paramedics have had had 5% pay rises year on year since 2013?
Busby you are a complete idiot.
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I said 2-5%, and yes they fall within that. Real terms nurses had a 1% reduction between 2011-2021, obviously, this year inflation has rocketed and my take is they do deserve a rise as they've a tough job and had a horrible couple of years. I'd go about fixing the NHS as a priority.
I don't think train drivers need a 10% increase with an average salary of £60k.
I don't think teachers need to match inflation when they had a 5% increase last year.
Unions are just taking advantage of a dire situation. What the government should do something about, is the cost of energy, as that's the biggest driver for this whole clusterfeck.
Pensions are now a huge issue too, how the country will fund an ageing population with the pensions the public sector has in place I don't know.
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 hours, 17 minutes ago
The one that gets me, is train drivers. Average earner on £60k a year.
Jokers.
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And the moral of that story is…
Join a f*cking union.
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comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
people will still vote tory though
basically people are stupid
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They will, but a lot more will vote labour. This Tory leadership is dead
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The Tory ideology is dead.
comment by Disembowel the liberals, and drink the blood of their children (U17054)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
people will still vote tory though
basically people are stupid
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They will, but a lot more will vote labour. This Tory leadership is dead
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The Tory ideology is dead.
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“What the government should do something about, is the cost of energy, as that's the biggest driver for this whole clusterfeck.”
What they should do something about immediately is historical levels of profiteering, record dividend payments, and record spending on share buybacks.
Margins are being *increased* in the energy industry, in petrochemicals, in supermarkets whilst a huge chunk of the population is struggling very badly.
comment by Disembowel the liberals, and drink the blood of their children (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
“What the government should do something about, is the cost of energy, as that's the biggest driver for this whole clusterfeck.”
What they should do something about immediately is historical levels of profiteering, record dividend payments, and record spending on share buybacks.
Margins are being *increased* in the energy industry, in petrochemicals, in supermarkets whilst a huge chunk of the population is struggling very badly.
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Yes, and the driver is the cost of energy.
Poor regulation of the smaller firms that have now gone bust (paid for by us), elimination of gas storage, sharing our energy with Europe when they wouldn't do the same for us
Starmer wants to nationalise our energy and I think this is a good lesson in why we should do so.
Every striking sector has complained about wages AND conditions. The underfunding, the understaffing, the unpaid overtime, the risk to public security, the overall race to the bottom for worker and consumer rights.
This government are too weak, too beholden to their divisive backbench ideological lunatics and thinks refusing to step in to intermediate or negotiate, directly or indirectly, with the workers representatives makes them look tough, instead it's making them look pathetic, lacking leadership and highlighting their immaturity to govern.
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posted on 17/1/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 11 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, we tried that.
A bunch of "Thatcherite" Tory ideologues in their 40s and 50s (many of whom were still in nappies during the brutal Maggie years), overthrew the government and got one of their own into Downing Street last September. Even got one of their own in charge of the Exchequer.
Then they went about implementing all those "Britannia Unchained" fantasies written about by people like Kwasi Kwarteng. The kind of "government efficiency" and "tax-slashing" talk you would expect to hear from teenagers at an Eton debating club. (Or a JA606 thread)
Then came the silly mini-budget. To great fanfare from the right-wing press, I might add.
But, as with all fantasies, the numbers did not add up. They couldn't even find a way to make the pension numbers work. The absolute holy grail of their older voting bloc.
And it turns out they didn't even bother to run the numbers past the Bank of England. A childish attempt at playing to the gallery by "sticking it to the establishment."
They spooked the market, triggering a meltdown. And it was only the emergency intervention of the "establishment" BoE that saved the country from a wholesale collapse of its pension funds, a spiralling debt market, a run on the Pound, and a freefalling government bond market.
Pretty much self- inflicted financial Armageddon.
Won't be long before yet another populist like Liz Truss pops up and takes us down the same path again.
posted on 17/1/23
Just hope there are lots of Brexit & working class Tory voters sitting in the cold and dark eating food bank baked beans straight from the can.
You get what you f*cking deserve.
posted on 17/1/23
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Well not “we” but they definitely do and we do as a country.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 54 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you want to know what's in store for us, just look at Japan.
A country with a median age of about 50. Where about a third of the population (31%) is over 65.
A situation which inevitably forces every subsequent government to pander to this vocal yet, dare I say it, "unproductive" segment of the population.
Imagine that. A government whose sole aim over the past 30 years has to keep inflation below 2% in a bid to keep pensioners on fixed incomes happy.
Completely condemning generation after generation of young adults to decades of chronic deflationary pressure, low economic growth, chronic underemployment and zero development of new housing. All of this wrapped up in a decades-long cloud of performative right-wing political theatrics (Shinzo Abe et.al.)
There's our future right there.
I wouldn't be surprised to see any subsequent British referendum in the next 10-20 years swing even farther to the populist RW fringe as the population grows greyer.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole campaign was a good indicator for the state of politics in Britain. Tet for tat, lies, deceit, on both sides.
Brexit was a horrible decision and the fact Cameron used a national vote to save his position says all you need to know.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 hours, 17 minutes ago
The one that gets me, is train drivers. Average earner on £60k a year.
Jokers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Pish!
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 7 hours, 56 minutes ago
Well, we tried that.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We really didn't. Thatcher addressed the big issues and had a plan how to pay for it. Possibly went better than she expected? Reagan and others being elected and falling in line probably helped? Globally, the IMF accepted that growth using current strategies and at any cost was unsustainable and that inflation needing reigned in was more important, that mild recession could be a cure. It was a rare period post-war where the £ has appreciated in value.
Truss had no plan, only some vision as you say. Whether Sunak does is early days but he at least has some credibility. Starmer too. Rest irrelevant, unfortunately.
Problem is our electorate only want to hear the vision and not the plan because the medicine sometimes tastes not so nice. Fack Question Time. Put them all up against a Dragon's Den. Suspect they'd all go home empty handed? Meanwhile the electorate would be tuned into Love Island or some similar scheite.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 1 hour, 36 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The whole campaign was a good indicator for the state of politics in Britain. Tet for tat, lies, deceit, on both sides.
Brexit was a horrible decision and the fact Cameron used a national vote to save his position says all you need to know.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A temporary save TBF.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, Thatcher gave every public worker a 'unaffordable' 25% pay rise as soon as she was elected. That's how she actually ended the strikes in 1979. Everybody went back to work happy(ier) an got on with working and producing stuff. There is a lesson for Sunak there.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, Thatcher gave every public worker a 'unaffordable' 25% pay rise as soon as she was elected. That's how she actually ended the strikes in 1979. Everybody went back to work happy(ier) an got on with working and producing stuff. There is a lesson for Sunak there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the statistics for inflation in that period though.
79 13%, 78 8%, 77 15%, 76 16%, 75 24%, 74 16%
All well and good pointing at a 25% increase but the workforce weren’t getting 2-5% every year like the striking union members are now.
posted on 17/1/23
people will still vote tory though
basically people are stupid
posted on 17/1/23
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
people will still vote tory though
basically people are stupid
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They will, but a lot more will vote labour. This Tory leadership is dead
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Gillespie Rd. (U18361)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by “Delicious” Saliba (U22894)
posted 54 minutes ago
This is what happens when you arrogant and vote YES to Brexit, we deserve these mess 100%. I hope we do another referendum I bet the NO side have learnt their lesson.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you want to know what's in store for us, just look at Japan.
A country with a median age of about 50. Where about a third of the population (31%) is over 65.
A situation which inevitably forces every subsequent government to pander to this vocal yet, dare I say it, "unproductive" segment of the population.
Imagine that. A government whose sole aim over the past 30 years has to keep inflation below 2% in a bid to keep pensioners on fixed incomes happy.
Completely condemning generation after generation of young adults to decades of chronic deflationary pressure, low economic growth, chronic underemployment and zero development of new housing. All of this wrapped up in a decades-long cloud of performative right-wing political theatrics (Shinzo Abe et.al.)
There's our future right there.
I wouldn't be surprised to see any subsequent British referendum in the next 10-20 years swing even farther to the populist RW fringe as the population grows greyer.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Imagine if you had worked for 50 years and your pension was fixed. With inflation at5% by the time you are 70 you are living in poverty, while the younger generation is getting better off.
Your future is right there.
posted on 17/1/23
This Tory leadership is dead
...
its been dead since cameron but that hasnt stopped 4 more of them taking the pee
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, Thatcher gave every public worker a 'unaffordable' 25% pay rise as soon as she was elected. That's how she actually ended the strikes in 1979. Everybody went back to work happy(ier) an got on with working and producing stuff. There is a lesson for Sunak there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Look at the statistics for inflation in that period though.
79 13%, 78 8%, 77 15%, 76 16%, 75 24%, 74 16%
All well and good pointing at a 25% increase but the workforce weren’t getting 2-5% every year like the striking union members are now.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
so Nurses and paramedics have had had 5% pay rises year on year since 2013?
Busby you are a complete idiot.
posted on 17/1/23
We need to go back to Europe and the madness and Xenophobia
posted on 17/1/23
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Whiteside has done it again (U21434)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
UK productivity is pash - that needs sorted. BTW, the strikes were just as bad in the mid-70s and it ushered in Thatcher that no matter what your politics at least had a vision and largely executed. Yes, at a cost but we came out it AND fought a war.
The issue is there's no vision and even what there is politicos just change their mind once they get in and there's no chance of holding them to account. Starmer is just another one that fills no confidence TBH but probably at least deserves a go.
As much as corporates are coining profits whilst resisting wage increases the unions are just as opportunistic and asking daft increases that will just have inflation running out of control - yeah like the 70s.
We need some sort of reset in almost everything. So much waste, inefficiency, lack of investment. Productivity! It is easy to cut stuff. Takes skill to grow stuff.
God help us.
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Yes, Thatcher gave every public worker a 'unaffordable' 25% pay rise as soon as she was elected. That's how she actually ended the strikes in 1979. Everybody went back to work happy(ier) an got on with working and producing stuff. There is a lesson for Sunak there.
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Look at the statistics for inflation in that period though.
79 13%, 78 8%, 77 15%, 76 16%, 75 24%, 74 16%
All well and good pointing at a 25% increase but the workforce weren’t getting 2-5% every year like the striking union members are now.
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so Nurses and paramedics have had had 5% pay rises year on year since 2013?
Busby you are a complete idiot.
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I said 2-5%, and yes they fall within that. Real terms nurses had a 1% reduction between 2011-2021, obviously, this year inflation has rocketed and my take is they do deserve a rise as they've a tough job and had a horrible couple of years. I'd go about fixing the NHS as a priority.
I don't think train drivers need a 10% increase with an average salary of £60k.
I don't think teachers need to match inflation when they had a 5% increase last year.
Unions are just taking advantage of a dire situation. What the government should do something about, is the cost of energy, as that's the biggest driver for this whole clusterfeck.
Pensions are now a huge issue too, how the country will fund an ageing population with the pensions the public sector has in place I don't know.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 12 hours, 17 minutes ago
The one that gets me, is train drivers. Average earner on £60k a year.
Jokers.
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And the moral of that story is…
Join a f*cking union.
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posted on 17/1/23
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
people will still vote tory though
basically people are stupid
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They will, but a lot more will vote labour. This Tory leadership is dead
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The Tory ideology is dead.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Disembowel the liberals, and drink the blood of their children (U17054)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 18 minutes ago
comment by The Saint (U22900)
posted 1 minute ago
people will still vote tory though
basically people are stupid
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They will, but a lot more will vote labour. This Tory leadership is dead
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The Tory ideology is dead.
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posted on 17/1/23
“What the government should do something about, is the cost of energy, as that's the biggest driver for this whole clusterfeck.”
What they should do something about immediately is historical levels of profiteering, record dividend payments, and record spending on share buybacks.
Margins are being *increased* in the energy industry, in petrochemicals, in supermarkets whilst a huge chunk of the population is struggling very badly.
posted on 17/1/23
comment by Disembowel the liberals, and drink the blood of their children (U17054)
posted 2 minutes ago
“What the government should do something about, is the cost of energy, as that's the biggest driver for this whole clusterfeck.”
What they should do something about immediately is historical levels of profiteering, record dividend payments, and record spending on share buybacks.
Margins are being *increased* in the energy industry, in petrochemicals, in supermarkets whilst a huge chunk of the population is struggling very badly.
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Yes, and the driver is the cost of energy.
Poor regulation of the smaller firms that have now gone bust (paid for by us), elimination of gas storage, sharing our energy with Europe when they wouldn't do the same for us
posted on 17/1/23
Starmer wants to nationalise our energy and I think this is a good lesson in why we should do so.
posted on 17/1/23
Every striking sector has complained about wages AND conditions. The underfunding, the understaffing, the unpaid overtime, the risk to public security, the overall race to the bottom for worker and consumer rights.
This government are too weak, too beholden to their divisive backbench ideological lunatics and thinks refusing to step in to intermediate or negotiate, directly or indirectly, with the workers representatives makes them look tough, instead it's making them look pathetic, lacking leadership and highlighting their immaturity to govern.
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