comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
ENIC do not have an elite mentality nor a winners mentality, it has filtered down throughout the whole club and even into large sections of the fanbase.
The club desperately needs a major reset from the top down, that means new owners who will come in and break this cycle of mediocrity.
Some of our fans are part of the problem, they have been abused by ENIC for so long now, they have started to think like ENIC, and are completely oblivious that things could and should operate at a higher level.
Too many fans are accepting of mediocrity and take a ridiculous satisfaction in a healthy balance sheet, to them that is success, because that is the spiel that Levy feeds them.
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Exactly this.
I will never accept it.
Enic out
I think the main difference between the other top five is even when they haven't been at the top, they still manage to pick up the odd trophy, which you would have expected Spurs to do with some of the teams they have had.
Although the problem is when you're trying to compete with the teams at the top, CL qualification kind of becomes more important than winning a domestic cup.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 58 seconds ago
ENIC do not have an elite mentality nor a winners mentality, it has filtered down throughout the whole club and even into large sections of the fanbase.
The club desperately needs a major reset from the top down, that means new owners who will come in and break this cycle of mediocrity.
Some of our fans are part of the problem, they have been abused by ENIC for so long now, they have started to think like ENIC, and are completely oblivious that things could and should operate at a higher level.
Too many fans are accepting of mediocrity and take a ridiculous satisfaction in a healthy balance sheet, to them that is success, because that is the spiel that Levy feeds them.
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Nah, that is the reality of financially doped english football in the 21st century.
It simply is not that easy to win trophies, unless you are bankrolled by State or a Russian Oligarch.
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And Spurs of course made all their money through the club and no investment right
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 58 seconds ago
ENIC do not have an elite mentality nor a winners mentality, it has filtered down throughout the whole club and even into large sections of the fanbase.
The club desperately needs a major reset from the top down, that means new owners who will come in and break this cycle of mediocrity.
Some of our fans are part of the problem, they have been abused by ENIC for so long now, they have started to think like ENIC, and are completely oblivious that things could and should operate at a higher level.
Too many fans are accepting of mediocrity and take a ridiculous satisfaction in a healthy balance sheet, to them that is success, because that is the spiel that Levy feeds them.
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Nah, that is the reality of financially doped english football in the 21st century.
It simply is not that easy to win trophies, unless you are bankrolled by State or a Russian Oligarch.
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So what is the point of Spurs existence then, if we can't compete to win anything, we may as well all pack up and go for a shiete instead. Under ENIC, Spurs are about as meh as it gets, which is why we desperately need new owners.
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 16 minutes ago
With all due respect you weren't one of the big six for a majority of the 00s. You only finished top six a couple of times that decade.
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Tottenham has always been a "member" of Top 6 clubs in England, winning things or not.
That's common knowledge.
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so who are those clubs then? Everton have to be one
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Yes. Everton were one of the "founder" clubs.
Traditional established clubs were:
Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Tottenham
Everton
Then alone came along Chelsea, then Man City and built their history and status.
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
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posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
Don, both City and Chelsea are financially doped, so they don't count. The other three are considered the three biggest clubs in the country.
So what exactly is your point. Spurs are clearly the best of the rest in the country.
I notice you haven't put up Newcastle's 21st century haul, or any other club for that matter.
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Traditional Top 6 clubs Sandy. Keep up mate. Chelsea and City do count, or is that because it makes Spurs look even more incompetent. Even if you take them both out, it’s still embarrassing. Liverpool, United and Arsenal trophies totally dwarfs ours after ENIC. The point is that Levy and ENIC have turned this club into ultimate losers.
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Sandy's got a point though, Don. Neither of those two would've been considered top 6 when ENIC took over. Definitely least not in terms of trophy count nor in terms of support. Both Villa and Everton would've been ahead of them, and probably Newcastle too.
Since then, we've seen Villa inhabit the second division and Everton have struggled way more than Spurs. It's also worth noting that both of those clubs at different points have made big investments to try to push for a place at the top table, and it's gone pretty pear-shaped.
Just a bit of perspective. Not saying it's all rosy, but it could be worse mate.
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Everyone knows that City and Chelsea have purchased their trophies with their sugar daddies. Big probability that one, if not both, would have been up and down from the championship to the Prem for most of the 21st century if not for their lottery wins.
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Well, it is what it is. In all likelihood, and regardless of what many might say in advance, the vast majority of Spurs fans would eventually accept whoever took over if they brought mountains of cash with them. Fans of other clubs can say whatever they like about the hollowness of trophies, I'm sure Chelsea and City fans would rather have them in the cabinet than not. It's been the case everywhere it's happened, and there's no reason whatsoever to believe Spurs would be any different.
That wasn't my point though.
My point was that landing an investor like that is no different to winning a Golden Ticket. It's not like Chelsea, City, PSG or Newcastle landed those deals after years of marketing themselves magnificently. It was the pure fluke of being in the right place at the right time.
Once you accept that as a fluke, you've got to look beyond them and take a look at the clubs in a comparable situation to theirs and yours in terms of history, support and prestige at the time of the ENIC takeover.
It's been a barren period sure enough, but when you look at the past twenty-odd years at Everton, Newcastle and Villa, it's quite clear that things could have been much worse for Spurs than they have been.
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 16 minutes ago
With all due respect you weren't one of the big six for a majority of the 00s. You only finished top six a couple of times that decade.
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Tottenham has always been a "member" of Top 6 clubs in England, winning things or not.
That's common knowledge.
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so who are those clubs then? Everton have to be one
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Yes. Everton were one of the "founder" clubs.
Traditional established clubs were:
Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Tottenham
Everton
Then alone came along Chelsea, then Man City and built their history and status.
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Spurs last won the league in 1961, City had won it in 1968 and followed that with winning both domestic and European honours.
No Audi Cup though.
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 58 seconds ago
ENIC do not have an elite mentality nor a winners mentality, it has filtered down throughout the whole club and even into large sections of the fanbase.
The club desperately needs a major reset from the top down, that means new owners who will come in and break this cycle of mediocrity.
Some of our fans are part of the problem, they have been abused by ENIC for so long now, they have started to think like ENIC, and are completely oblivious that things could and should operate at a higher level.
Too many fans are accepting of mediocrity and take a ridiculous satisfaction in a healthy balance sheet, to them that is success, because that is the spiel that Levy feeds them.
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Nah, that is the reality of financially doped english football in the 21st century.
It simply is not that easy to win trophies, unless you are bankrolled by State or a Russian Oligarch.
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So what is the point of Spurs existence then, if we can't compete to win anything, we may as well all pack up and go for a shiete instead. Under ENIC, Spurs are about as meh as it gets, which is why we desperately need new owners.
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Billy, you could say that for 95 per cent of the football pyramid, all of whom have next to no chance of winning a trophy. You could ask what is the point of their existence?
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 16 minutes ago
With all due respect you weren't one of the big six for a majority of the 00s. You only finished top six a couple of times that decade.
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Tottenham has always been a "member" of Top 6 clubs in England, winning things or not.
That's common knowledge.
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so who are those clubs then? Everton have to be one
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Everton were one of the "founder" clubs.
Traditional established clubs were:
Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Tottenham
Everton
Then alone came along Chelsea, then Man City and built their history and status.
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Spurs last won the league in 1961, City had won it in 1968 and followed that with winning both domestic and European honours.
No Audi Cup though.
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And also won not a lot else for 40 odd years.
I see you also avoided saying City played in the 3rd tier in recent memory.
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 22 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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Football existed a long time before the Prem League. In fact the best stuff I saw pre dated anything I have seen in the boring Prem era.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
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We are immune to winning trophies mate and it’s all come since Levy/ENIC took over. 2 trophies in the 90s including an Fa cup. This lot couldn’t win a dime.
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 34 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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They were one of the founder clubs of the PL, and also one of the key architects of the changes to the financial rules in the eighties. There was plenty of football before that time though.
Admittedly, it does make it slightly amusing when they complain about owners at clubs like Chelsea or City though. Frankenstein’s monster and all that…
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 34 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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They were one of the founder clubs of the PL, and also one of the key architects of the changes to the financial rules in the eighties. There was plenty of football before that time though.
Admittedly, it does make it slightly amusing when they complain about owners at clubs like Chelsea or City though. Frankenstein’s monster and all that…
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Face it fella for the 30-40 odd years before the oil money, City were shiiiiii*****
Just to expand further to other teams who have won as many as we have in that time:
Birmingham City (+1)
Portsmouth (+1)
Swansea City (+1)
Wigan Athletic (+1)
Middlesbrough (+1)
Blackburn Rovers (+1)
Well done Spurs, that's your level. All behind Leicester City on (+2).
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
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We are immune to winning trophies mate and it’s all come since Levy/ENIC took over. 2 trophies in the 90s including an Fa cup. This lot couldn’t win a dime.
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Don, Spurs will put it all right by winning the CL this season.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
Just to expand further to other teams who have won as many as we have in that time:
Birmingham City (+1)
Portsmouth (+1)
Swansea City (+1)
Wigan Athletic (+1)
Middlesbrough (+1)
Blackburn Rovers (+1)
Well done Spurs, that's your level. All behind Leicester City on (+2).
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FFS what a ridiculous post. Not one of those sides are currently even in the Prem, some are even in the 3rd tier. HTF is that Spurs level, when Spurs are playing CL footie.
Get a grip FFS.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
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We are immune to winning trophies mate and it’s all come since Levy/ENIC took over. 2 trophies in the 90s including an Fa cup. This lot couldn’t win a dime.
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Don, Spurs will put it all right by winning the CL this season.
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They are not winning a thing. If our CL performances were much better than our league performances it might give pause for thought but they have been rubbish too. First top team we meet we'll get beaten by.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
Just to expand further to other teams who have won as many as we have in that time:
Birmingham City (+1)
Portsmouth (+1)
Swansea City (+1)
Wigan Athletic (+1)
Middlesbrough (+1)
Blackburn Rovers (+1)
Well done Spurs, that's your level. All behind Leicester City on (+2).
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FFS what a ridiculous post. Not one of those sides are currently even in the Prem, some are even in the 3rd tier. HTF is that Spurs level, when Spurs are playing CL footie.
Get a grip FFS.
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That just makes it worse then doesn't it? The fact all those teams aren't even good enough to be in the PL anymore, let alone in the top 4/5/6 of the PL like us, and yet still have as many trophies in the ENIC era.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
Just to expand further to other teams who have won as many as we have in that time:
Birmingham City (+1)
Portsmouth (+1)
Swansea City (+1)
Wigan Athletic (+1)
Middlesbrough (+1)
Blackburn Rovers (+1)
Well done Spurs, that's your level. All behind Leicester City on (+2).
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FFS what a ridiculous post. Not one of those sides are currently even in the Prem, some are even in the 3rd tier. HTF is that Spurs level, when Spurs are playing CL footie.
Get a grip FFS.
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In terms of trophies. As you just said yourself, they are not even in the prem but have had as much success as Spurs this century.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
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We are immune to winning trophies mate and it’s all come since Levy/ENIC took over. 2 trophies in the 90s including an Fa cup. This lot couldn’t win a dime.
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Don, Spurs will put it all right by winning the CL this season.
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Well all know they won’t mate. That defence isn’t winning a dime.
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 34 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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They were one of the founder clubs of the PL, and also one of the key architects of the changes to the financial rules in the eighties. There was plenty of football before that time though.
Admittedly, it does make it slightly amusing when they complain about owners at clubs like Chelsea or City though. Frankenstein’s monster and all that…
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Face it fella for the 30-40 odd years before the oil money, City were shiiiiii*****
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Didn’t say otherwise, just pointing out that you’re one of the main reasons we’re not now
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 34 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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They were one of the founder clubs of the PL, and also one of the key architects of the changes to the financial rules in the eighties. There was plenty of football before that time though.
Admittedly, it does make it slightly amusing when they complain about owners at clubs like Chelsea or City though. Frankenstein’s monster and all that…
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Face it fella for the 30-40 odd years before the oil money, City were shiiiiii*****
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Didn’t say otherwise, just pointing out that you’re one of the main reasons we’re not now
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So it's their fault that City are owned by a corrupt oppressive human rights abusing regime? Even Melts isn't immune to these rationalizations by City fans.
If Liverpool ever got bought by similar owners, God help me that I accept reality rather than go about coming out with rationalisations to subliminally justify it.
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posted on 18/1/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 1 minute ago
ENIC do not have an elite mentality nor a winners mentality, it has filtered down throughout the whole club and even into large sections of the fanbase.
The club desperately needs a major reset from the top down, that means new owners who will come in and break this cycle of mediocrity.
Some of our fans are part of the problem, they have been abused by ENIC for so long now, they have started to think like ENIC, and are completely oblivious that things could and should operate at a higher level.
Too many fans are accepting of mediocrity and take a ridiculous satisfaction in a healthy balance sheet, to them that is success, because that is the spiel that Levy feeds them.
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Exactly this.
I will never accept it.
Enic out
posted on 18/1/23
I think the main difference between the other top five is even when they haven't been at the top, they still manage to pick up the odd trophy, which you would have expected Spurs to do with some of the teams they have had.
Although the problem is when you're trying to compete with the teams at the top, CL qualification kind of becomes more important than winning a domestic cup.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 58 seconds ago
ENIC do not have an elite mentality nor a winners mentality, it has filtered down throughout the whole club and even into large sections of the fanbase.
The club desperately needs a major reset from the top down, that means new owners who will come in and break this cycle of mediocrity.
Some of our fans are part of the problem, they have been abused by ENIC for so long now, they have started to think like ENIC, and are completely oblivious that things could and should operate at a higher level.
Too many fans are accepting of mediocrity and take a ridiculous satisfaction in a healthy balance sheet, to them that is success, because that is the spiel that Levy feeds them.
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Nah, that is the reality of financially doped english football in the 21st century.
It simply is not that easy to win trophies, unless you are bankrolled by State or a Russian Oligarch.
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And Spurs of course made all their money through the club and no investment right
posted on 18/1/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 58 seconds ago
ENIC do not have an elite mentality nor a winners mentality, it has filtered down throughout the whole club and even into large sections of the fanbase.
The club desperately needs a major reset from the top down, that means new owners who will come in and break this cycle of mediocrity.
Some of our fans are part of the problem, they have been abused by ENIC for so long now, they have started to think like ENIC, and are completely oblivious that things could and should operate at a higher level.
Too many fans are accepting of mediocrity and take a ridiculous satisfaction in a healthy balance sheet, to them that is success, because that is the spiel that Levy feeds them.
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Nah, that is the reality of financially doped english football in the 21st century.
It simply is not that easy to win trophies, unless you are bankrolled by State or a Russian Oligarch.
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So what is the point of Spurs existence then, if we can't compete to win anything, we may as well all pack up and go for a shiete instead. Under ENIC, Spurs are about as meh as it gets, which is why we desperately need new owners.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 16 minutes ago
With all due respect you weren't one of the big six for a majority of the 00s. You only finished top six a couple of times that decade.
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Tottenham has always been a "member" of Top 6 clubs in England, winning things or not.
That's common knowledge.
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so who are those clubs then? Everton have to be one
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Everton were one of the "founder" clubs.
Traditional established clubs were:
Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Tottenham
Everton
Then alone came along Chelsea, then Man City and built their history and status.
posted on 18/1/23
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame - today I feel like Gianni ... (U6426)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 32 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 8 minutes ago
Don, both City and Chelsea are financially doped, so they don't count. The other three are considered the three biggest clubs in the country.
So what exactly is your point. Spurs are clearly the best of the rest in the country.
I notice you haven't put up Newcastle's 21st century haul, or any other club for that matter.
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Traditional Top 6 clubs Sandy. Keep up mate. Chelsea and City do count, or is that because it makes Spurs look even more incompetent. Even if you take them both out, it’s still embarrassing. Liverpool, United and Arsenal trophies totally dwarfs ours after ENIC. The point is that Levy and ENIC have turned this club into ultimate losers.
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Sandy's got a point though, Don. Neither of those two would've been considered top 6 when ENIC took over. Definitely least not in terms of trophy count nor in terms of support. Both Villa and Everton would've been ahead of them, and probably Newcastle too.
Since then, we've seen Villa inhabit the second division and Everton have struggled way more than Spurs. It's also worth noting that both of those clubs at different points have made big investments to try to push for a place at the top table, and it's gone pretty pear-shaped.
Just a bit of perspective. Not saying it's all rosy, but it could be worse mate.
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Everyone knows that City and Chelsea have purchased their trophies with their sugar daddies. Big probability that one, if not both, would have been up and down from the championship to the Prem for most of the 21st century if not for their lottery wins.
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Well, it is what it is. In all likelihood, and regardless of what many might say in advance, the vast majority of Spurs fans would eventually accept whoever took over if they brought mountains of cash with them. Fans of other clubs can say whatever they like about the hollowness of trophies, I'm sure Chelsea and City fans would rather have them in the cabinet than not. It's been the case everywhere it's happened, and there's no reason whatsoever to believe Spurs would be any different.
That wasn't my point though.
My point was that landing an investor like that is no different to winning a Golden Ticket. It's not like Chelsea, City, PSG or Newcastle landed those deals after years of marketing themselves magnificently. It was the pure fluke of being in the right place at the right time.
Once you accept that as a fluke, you've got to look beyond them and take a look at the clubs in a comparable situation to theirs and yours in terms of history, support and prestige at the time of the ENIC takeover.
It's been a barren period sure enough, but when you look at the past twenty-odd years at Everton, Newcastle and Villa, it's quite clear that things could have been much worse for Spurs than they have been.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 44 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 16 minutes ago
With all due respect you weren't one of the big six for a majority of the 00s. You only finished top six a couple of times that decade.
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Tottenham has always been a "member" of Top 6 clubs in England, winning things or not.
That's common knowledge.
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so who are those clubs then? Everton have to be one
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Everton were one of the "founder" clubs.
Traditional established clubs were:
Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Tottenham
Everton
Then alone came along Chelsea, then Man City and built their history and status.
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Spurs last won the league in 1961, City had won it in 1968 and followed that with winning both domestic and European honours.
No Audi Cup though.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● 20*21*22* ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 58 seconds ago
ENIC do not have an elite mentality nor a winners mentality, it has filtered down throughout the whole club and even into large sections of the fanbase.
The club desperately needs a major reset from the top down, that means new owners who will come in and break this cycle of mediocrity.
Some of our fans are part of the problem, they have been abused by ENIC for so long now, they have started to think like ENIC, and are completely oblivious that things could and should operate at a higher level.
Too many fans are accepting of mediocrity and take a ridiculous satisfaction in a healthy balance sheet, to them that is success, because that is the spiel that Levy feeds them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Nah, that is the reality of financially doped english football in the 21st century.
It simply is not that easy to win trophies, unless you are bankrolled by State or a Russian Oligarch.
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So what is the point of Spurs existence then, if we can't compete to win anything, we may as well all pack up and go for a shiete instead. Under ENIC, Spurs are about as meh as it gets, which is why we desperately need new owners.
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Billy, you could say that for 95 per cent of the football pyramid, all of whom have next to no chance of winning a trophy. You could ask what is the point of their existence?
posted on 18/1/23
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
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comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Mess... (U11551)
posted 16 minutes ago
With all due respect you weren't one of the big six for a majority of the 00s. You only finished top six a couple of times that decade.
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Tottenham has always been a "member" of Top 6 clubs in England, winning things or not.
That's common knowledge.
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so who are those clubs then? Everton have to be one
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Yes. Everton were one of the "founder" clubs.
Traditional established clubs were:
Liverpool
Man Utd
Arsenal
Tottenham
Everton
Then alone came along Chelsea, then Man City and built their history and status.
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Spurs last won the league in 1961, City had won it in 1968 and followed that with winning both domestic and European honours.
No Audi Cup though.
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And also won not a lot else for 40 odd years.
I see you also avoided saying City played in the 3rd tier in recent memory.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 22 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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Football existed a long time before the Prem League. In fact the best stuff I saw pre dated anything I have seen in the boring Prem era.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
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We are immune to winning trophies mate and it’s all come since Levy/ENIC took over. 2 trophies in the 90s including an Fa cup. This lot couldn’t win a dime.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 34 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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They were one of the founder clubs of the PL, and also one of the key architects of the changes to the financial rules in the eighties. There was plenty of football before that time though.
Admittedly, it does make it slightly amusing when they complain about owners at clubs like Chelsea or City though. Frankenstein’s monster and all that…
posted on 18/1/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 34 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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They were one of the founder clubs of the PL, and also one of the key architects of the changes to the financial rules in the eighties. There was plenty of football before that time though.
Admittedly, it does make it slightly amusing when they complain about owners at clubs like Chelsea or City though. Frankenstein’s monster and all that…
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Face it fella for the 30-40 odd years before the oil money, City were shiiiiii*****
posted on 18/1/23
Just to expand further to other teams who have won as many as we have in that time:
Birmingham City (+1)
Portsmouth (+1)
Swansea City (+1)
Wigan Athletic (+1)
Middlesbrough (+1)
Blackburn Rovers (+1)
Well done Spurs, that's your level. All behind Leicester City on (+2).
posted on 18/1/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
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We are immune to winning trophies mate and it’s all come since Levy/ENIC took over. 2 trophies in the 90s including an Fa cup. This lot couldn’t win a dime.
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Don, Spurs will put it all right by winning the CL this season.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
Just to expand further to other teams who have won as many as we have in that time:
Birmingham City (+1)
Portsmouth (+1)
Swansea City (+1)
Wigan Athletic (+1)
Middlesbrough (+1)
Blackburn Rovers (+1)
Well done Spurs, that's your level. All behind Leicester City on (+2).
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FFS what a ridiculous post. Not one of those sides are currently even in the Prem, some are even in the 3rd tier. HTF is that Spurs level, when Spurs are playing CL footie.
Get a grip FFS.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
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We are immune to winning trophies mate and it’s all come since Levy/ENIC took over. 2 trophies in the 90s including an Fa cup. This lot couldn’t win a dime.
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Don, Spurs will put it all right by winning the CL this season.
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They are not winning a thing. If our CL performances were much better than our league performances it might give pause for thought but they have been rubbish too. First top team we meet we'll get beaten by.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
Just to expand further to other teams who have won as many as we have in that time:
Birmingham City (+1)
Portsmouth (+1)
Swansea City (+1)
Wigan Athletic (+1)
Middlesbrough (+1)
Blackburn Rovers (+1)
Well done Spurs, that's your level. All behind Leicester City on (+2).
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FFS what a ridiculous post. Not one of those sides are currently even in the Prem, some are even in the 3rd tier. HTF is that Spurs level, when Spurs are playing CL footie.
Get a grip FFS.
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That just makes it worse then doesn't it? The fact all those teams aren't even good enough to be in the PL anymore, let alone in the top 4/5/6 of the PL like us, and yet still have as many trophies in the ENIC era.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 11 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 55 seconds ago
Just to expand further to other teams who have won as many as we have in that time:
Birmingham City (+1)
Portsmouth (+1)
Swansea City (+1)
Wigan Athletic (+1)
Middlesbrough (+1)
Blackburn Rovers (+1)
Well done Spurs, that's your level. All behind Leicester City on (+2).
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FFS what a ridiculous post. Not one of those sides are currently even in the Prem, some are even in the 3rd tier. HTF is that Spurs level, when Spurs are playing CL footie.
Get a grip FFS.
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In terms of trophies. As you just said yourself, they are not even in the prem but have had as much success as Spurs this century.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 12 minutes ago
Ridiculous isn't it Don. Even Arsenal whose fans have spent much of that time bemoaning the state of their club, have got into almost double figures for trophies. No other team underachieves like this, apart from maybe the Tottenham of internationals - England.
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We are immune to winning trophies mate and it’s all come since Levy/ENIC took over. 2 trophies in the 90s including an Fa cup. This lot couldn’t win a dime.
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Don, Spurs will put it all right by winning the CL this season.
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Well all know they won’t mate. That defence isn’t winning a dime.
posted on 18/1/23
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 34 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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They were one of the founder clubs of the PL, and also one of the key architects of the changes to the financial rules in the eighties. There was plenty of football before that time though.
Admittedly, it does make it slightly amusing when they complain about owners at clubs like Chelsea or City though. Frankenstein’s monster and all that…
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Face it fella for the 30-40 odd years before the oil money, City were shiiiiii*****
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Didn’t say otherwise, just pointing out that you’re one of the main reasons we’re not now
posted on 18/1/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 31 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 1 hour, 4 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hezzman (U21558)
posted 34 minutes ago
If u don't believe me you should watch the Sky documentary about the Premier League, its inception, history and where it is now.
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They were one of the founder clubs of the PL, and also one of the key architects of the changes to the financial rules in the eighties. There was plenty of football before that time though.
Admittedly, it does make it slightly amusing when they complain about owners at clubs like Chelsea or City though. Frankenstein’s monster and all that…
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Face it fella for the 30-40 odd years before the oil money, City were shiiiiii*****
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Didn’t say otherwise, just pointing out that you’re one of the main reasons we’re not now
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So it's their fault that City are owned by a corrupt oppressive human rights abusing regime? Even Melts isn't immune to these rationalizations by City fans.
If Liverpool ever got bought by similar owners, God help me that I accept reality rather than go about coming out with rationalisations to subliminally justify it.
posted on 18/1/23
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