What are we doing with Skipp?
comment by Chris[topher] (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
saw something about the Bryan loan having an option which would be pretty weird
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fab saying no option
would have preferred a uk loan but minutes most important thing.
Add Ndombele to the list of players who go to play for other clubs and win a title.
Glad this is just a loan for Gil without an option. Assuming Conte is gone at the end of the season, it gives Gil one last chance in preseason with a different manager.
The only concerns are the reports he hates England and the lifestyle. That could just be how he’s feeling because he’s not getting a game. If he played more, he’d settle easier.
From the bits I’ve seen of him this season, I genuinely think we’ve got a little Bernardo Silva on our hands and it would be an effin joke if he were let go before he could flourish.
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Add Ndombele to the list of players who go to play for other clubs and win a title.
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Even if he does, it's not like Spurs as a club didn't really try everything to get it to work out. He had plenty of minutes and plenty of opportunities.
We’ll never truly know how well Ndombele would’ve settled if he wasn’t unfortunate enough to lose Poch early on and then play for a series of defensive, cautious managers. Everyone will laugh at that comment and say he was awful, lazy etc but it’s the same reason Trent plays for Liverpool but wouldn’t be trusted by Jose and Conte. The best managers get the most out of forward thinking players. They focus kn what they can do going forward, not what they can’t do tracking back.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
We’ll never truly know how well Ndombele would’ve settled if he wasn’t unfortunate enough to lose Poch early on and then play for a series of defensive, cautious managers. Everyone will laugh at that comment and say he was awful, lazy etc but it’s the same reason Trent plays for Liverpool but wouldn’t be trusted by Jose and Conte. The best managers get the most out of forward thinking players. They focus kn what they can do going forward, not what they can’t do tracking back.
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Klopp and Pep wouldn’t touch Ndombele with a barge pole precisely because of how poor he is off the ball.
Mourinho also had Pogba, Ozil and Fabregas as important parts of his midfield, despite them not being the best off the ball, because they actually contributed with it. Ndombele’s only got himself to blame for how his career has gone.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
We’ll never truly know how well Ndombele would’ve settled if he wasn’t unfortunate enough to lose Poch early on and then play for a series of defensive, cautious managers. Everyone will laugh at that comment and say he was awful, lazy etc but it’s the same reason Trent plays for Liverpool but wouldn’t be trusted by Jose and Conte. The best managers get the most out of forward thinking players. They focus kn what they can do going forward, not what they can’t do tracking back.
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Klopp and Pep wouldn’t touch Ndombele with a barge pole precisely because of how poor he is off the ball.
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Maybe but there’s a difference in defensive mentality when you’re asked to press, as Klopp and Pep do but completely different when you’re asked to chase back. There’s a difference. I’m not saying they would definitely play him but I do think teams can accommodate passengers if what they offer going forward is really special. Trent is the perfect example of that. Woeful at tracking back but he’s got good defensive cover in Henderson.
Anybody ....what are we doing with Skipp?
Yeah the difference is that it’s a lot harder and more demanding what Pep and Klopp ask of them. Those managers won’t accommodate passengers in the midfield, Mourinho does, however. Playing in a Mourinho team is a doddle off the ball compared to those two. Ndombele just cannot justify it because he doesn’t do enough with the ball, is a poor athlete without the mentality to be a top player. It’s why he’s on the bench for Napoli.
Ndombele would've stood a much better chance of building a better all-round game under the manager/setup he actually signed up for, rather than the several afterwards he didn't. Doubt the pandemic helped either, young lad in a new country.
Then again it might've turned out exactly the same, so who the fack knows. Not like he's exactly turned over a new leaf since.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yeah the difference is that it’s a lot harder and more demanding what Pep and Klopp ask of them. Those managers won’t accommodate passengers in the midfield, Mourinho does, however. Playing in a Mourinho team is a doddle off the ball compared to those two. Ndombele just cannot justify it because he doesn’t do enough with the ball, is a poor athlete without the mentality to be a top player. It’s why he’s on the bench for Napoli.
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The elephant in the room being that Pochettino is from the Guardiola/Klopp school of pressing/fitness demands, and he's the one who signed him. He was only 23, not exactly too old to coach
I just can’t understand why Levy’s inspirational speech about his gcse results didn’t work on him. It’s baffling ๐
Well then Pochettino didn’t do his homework on the player then. There was plenty of stuff about him having attitude issues and lacking the physical capabilities to cover ground for 90 minutes before you signed him.
That’s not on Poch. He wanted Bruno Fernandes and Levy game him Ndombele, the fractionally cheaper option.
Wouldn't have been the first time a Pochettino signing didn't work out tbf, but I'd imagine he thought he could sort him out - he was good at turning players into physical machines
That’s not true. Ndombele was more than Bruno, but Poch wanted Ndombele and one of Bruno and Lo Celso, and he chose Lo Celso. Both ended up being poor signings that have hamstrung Spurs for a number of years.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s not on Poch. He wanted Bruno Fernandes and Levy game him Ndombele, the fractionally cheaper option.
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Nah, that was Lo Celso not Ndombele
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
That’s not on Poch. He wanted Bruno Fernandes and Levy game him Ndombele, the fractionally cheaper option.
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No he gave him the other (wrong) Fernandes.
Cheaper but wrong.
NDombele was a different option, also wrong.
And for the Nth time....do any of you ITK's know what Spurs are planning to do with Oliver Skipp?
Lets talk about players we actual have in house right now!
But Ndombele doesn’t have the physical attributes to become a machine. There’s limitations to what can be achieved there. But obviously the bigger issue is his mentality, and Conte and Mourinho are superior managers to Pochettino in harnessing a player’s mentality, and they couldn’t manage it because he obviously doesn’t have it.
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
But Ndombele doesn’t have the physical attributes to become a machine. There’s limitations to what can be achieved there. But obviously the bigger issue is his mentality, and Conte and Mourinho are superior managers to Pochettino in harnessing a player’s mentality, and they couldn’t manage it because he obviously doesn’t have it.
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Like I said, I'd imagine Pochettino thought he could sort him out as he'd done it with plenty of players before. He was wrong, yes, but we all know that by now.
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 8 minutes ago
And for the Nth time....do any of you ITK's know what Spurs are planning to do with Oliver Skipp?
Lets talk about players we actual have in house right now!
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There are no ITK's on here. Do you fancy Skipp or something?
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 9 minutes ago
And for the Nth time....do any of you ITK's know what Spurs are planning to do with Oliver Skipp?
Lets talk about players we actual have in house right now!
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He played in the cup the other day and looked decent, he won't be going anywhere.
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posted on 29/1/23
What are we doing with Skipp?
posted on 29/1/23
comment by Chris[topher] (U20930)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
saw something about the Bryan loan having an option which would be pretty weird
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fab saying no option
would have preferred a uk loan but minutes most important thing.
posted on 29/1/23
Add Ndombele to the list of players who go to play for other clubs and win a title.
posted on 29/1/23
Glad this is just a loan for Gil without an option. Assuming Conte is gone at the end of the season, it gives Gil one last chance in preseason with a different manager.
The only concerns are the reports he hates England and the lifestyle. That could just be how he’s feeling because he’s not getting a game. If he played more, he’d settle easier.
From the bits I’ve seen of him this season, I genuinely think we’ve got a little Bernardo Silva on our hands and it would be an effin joke if he were let go before he could flourish.
posted on 29/1/23
comment by LukaBrasi COYS (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Add Ndombele to the list of players who go to play for other clubs and win a title.
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Even if he does, it's not like Spurs as a club didn't really try everything to get it to work out. He had plenty of minutes and plenty of opportunities.
posted on 29/1/23
We’ll never truly know how well Ndombele would’ve settled if he wasn’t unfortunate enough to lose Poch early on and then play for a series of defensive, cautious managers. Everyone will laugh at that comment and say he was awful, lazy etc but it’s the same reason Trent plays for Liverpool but wouldn’t be trusted by Jose and Conte. The best managers get the most out of forward thinking players. They focus kn what they can do going forward, not what they can’t do tracking back.
posted on 29/1/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
We’ll never truly know how well Ndombele would’ve settled if he wasn’t unfortunate enough to lose Poch early on and then play for a series of defensive, cautious managers. Everyone will laugh at that comment and say he was awful, lazy etc but it’s the same reason Trent plays for Liverpool but wouldn’t be trusted by Jose and Conte. The best managers get the most out of forward thinking players. They focus kn what they can do going forward, not what they can’t do tracking back.
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Klopp and Pep wouldn’t touch Ndombele with a barge pole precisely because of how poor he is off the ball.
posted on 29/1/23
Mourinho also had Pogba, Ozil and Fabregas as important parts of his midfield, despite them not being the best off the ball, because they actually contributed with it. Ndombele’s only got himself to blame for how his career has gone.
posted on 29/1/23
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
We’ll never truly know how well Ndombele would’ve settled if he wasn’t unfortunate enough to lose Poch early on and then play for a series of defensive, cautious managers. Everyone will laugh at that comment and say he was awful, lazy etc but it’s the same reason Trent plays for Liverpool but wouldn’t be trusted by Jose and Conte. The best managers get the most out of forward thinking players. They focus kn what they can do going forward, not what they can’t do tracking back.
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Klopp and Pep wouldn’t touch Ndombele with a barge pole precisely because of how poor he is off the ball.
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Maybe but there’s a difference in defensive mentality when you’re asked to press, as Klopp and Pep do but completely different when you’re asked to chase back. There’s a difference. I’m not saying they would definitely play him but I do think teams can accommodate passengers if what they offer going forward is really special. Trent is the perfect example of that. Woeful at tracking back but he’s got good defensive cover in Henderson.
posted on 29/1/23
Anybody ....what are we doing with Skipp?
posted on 29/1/23
Yeah the difference is that it’s a lot harder and more demanding what Pep and Klopp ask of them. Those managers won’t accommodate passengers in the midfield, Mourinho does, however. Playing in a Mourinho team is a doddle off the ball compared to those two. Ndombele just cannot justify it because he doesn’t do enough with the ball, is a poor athlete without the mentality to be a top player. It’s why he’s on the bench for Napoli.
posted on 29/1/23
Ndombele would've stood a much better chance of building a better all-round game under the manager/setup he actually signed up for, rather than the several afterwards he didn't. Doubt the pandemic helped either, young lad in a new country.
Then again it might've turned out exactly the same, so who the fack knows. Not like he's exactly turned over a new leaf since.
posted on 29/1/23
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Yeah the difference is that it’s a lot harder and more demanding what Pep and Klopp ask of them. Those managers won’t accommodate passengers in the midfield, Mourinho does, however. Playing in a Mourinho team is a doddle off the ball compared to those two. Ndombele just cannot justify it because he doesn’t do enough with the ball, is a poor athlete without the mentality to be a top player. It’s why he’s on the bench for Napoli.
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The elephant in the room being that Pochettino is from the Guardiola/Klopp school of pressing/fitness demands, and he's the one who signed him. He was only 23, not exactly too old to coach
posted on 29/1/23
I just can’t understand why Levy’s inspirational speech about his gcse results didn’t work on him. It’s baffling ๐
posted on 29/1/23
Well then Pochettino didn’t do his homework on the player then. There was plenty of stuff about him having attitude issues and lacking the physical capabilities to cover ground for 90 minutes before you signed him.
posted on 29/1/23
That’s not on Poch. He wanted Bruno Fernandes and Levy game him Ndombele, the fractionally cheaper option.
posted on 29/1/23
Wouldn't have been the first time a Pochettino signing didn't work out tbf, but I'd imagine he thought he could sort him out - he was good at turning players into physical machines
posted on 29/1/23
That’s not true. Ndombele was more than Bruno, but Poch wanted Ndombele and one of Bruno and Lo Celso, and he chose Lo Celso. Both ended up being poor signings that have hamstrung Spurs for a number of years.
posted on 29/1/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
That’s not on Poch. He wanted Bruno Fernandes and Levy game him Ndombele, the fractionally cheaper option.
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Nah, that was Lo Celso not Ndombele
posted on 29/1/23
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
That’s not on Poch. He wanted Bruno Fernandes and Levy game him Ndombele, the fractionally cheaper option.
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No he gave him the other (wrong) Fernandes.
Cheaper but wrong.
NDombele was a different option, also wrong.
posted on 29/1/23
And for the Nth time....do any of you ITK's know what Spurs are planning to do with Oliver Skipp?
Lets talk about players we actual have in house right now!
posted on 29/1/23
But Ndombele doesn’t have the physical attributes to become a machine. There’s limitations to what can be achieved there. But obviously the bigger issue is his mentality, and Conte and Mourinho are superior managers to Pochettino in harnessing a player’s mentality, and they couldn’t manage it because he obviously doesn’t have it.
posted on 29/1/23
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
But Ndombele doesn’t have the physical attributes to become a machine. There’s limitations to what can be achieved there. But obviously the bigger issue is his mentality, and Conte and Mourinho are superior managers to Pochettino in harnessing a player’s mentality, and they couldn’t manage it because he obviously doesn’t have it.
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Like I said, I'd imagine Pochettino thought he could sort him out as he'd done it with plenty of players before. He was wrong, yes, but we all know that by now.
posted on 29/1/23
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 8 minutes ago
And for the Nth time....do any of you ITK's know what Spurs are planning to do with Oliver Skipp?
Lets talk about players we actual have in house right now!
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There are no ITK's on here. Do you fancy Skipp or something?
posted on 29/1/23
comment by JustCallMeTed (U21528)
posted 9 minutes ago
And for the Nth time....do any of you ITK's know what Spurs are planning to do with Oliver Skipp?
Lets talk about players we actual have in house right now!
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He played in the cup the other day and looked decent, he won't be going anywhere.
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