Genetic engineering of humans. There is a strong correlation between the mindset of rapists and those who blame women etc. If we get rid of the trait responsible for this behaviour, we will get rid of rapists, victim blamers and coincidentally tories at the same time. The world would be a much nicer place.

grape accusations

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Best Dickens novel for me.

The first big step would be for the justice system to apply equal punishment for women who are found guilty of falsely accusing a man and destroy his life. Not only this does help innocent men, but also women who are true victims of such crime.

Completely agree with point 4. What is ultimately conflicting Utd, and other football fans, is the lack of explanation and the possible idea that Greenwood may actually be innocent in all of this. Surely a clear breakdown would take any ambiguity out of this and at the minimum provide a sense of reasoning for the general public.

That being said I do accept that this creates a load of other issues in terms of morality. Depending on how "damaging" this reasoning is, it could effectively lead to trial by public opinion, without the defendant having a fair chance to defend themselves in a court of law.

Tricky.

Regarding your point 3, not one ounce of information should ever be made public until a case reaches its conclusion and it should be illegal to even report on an ongoing case to protect both the victim and those who may be falsely accused.

comment by Clockwork Red: With or Wout You (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
grape accusations

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Best Dickens novel for me.
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I want to know the raisin for these accusations

comment by Boy From The South:. HOUSTON ASTROS WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!!! (U3979)
posted 57 seconds ago
Regarding your point 3, not one ounce of information should ever be made public until a case reaches its conclusion and it should be illegal to even report on an ongoing case to protect both the victim and those who may be falsely accused.
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Completely agree! Have never understood how defendants (in any alleged case) can have their identities revealed before a verdict has been ruled

comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Clockwork Red: With or Wout You (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
grape accusations

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Best Dickens novel for me.
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I want to know the raisin for these accusations
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😂

comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Clockwork Red: With or Wout You (U4892)
posted 8 minutes ago
grape accusations

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Best Dickens novel for me.
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I want to know the raisin for these accusations
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Am I reading this in the voice of the French copper from Allo Allo? Sortenly.

comment by Gunner12 (U7418)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Boy From The South:. HOUSTON ASTROS WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!!! (U3979)
posted 57 seconds ago
Regarding your point 3, not one ounce of information should ever be made public until a case reaches its conclusion and it should be illegal to even report on an ongoing case to protect both the victim and those who may be falsely accused.
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Completely agree! Have never understood how defendants (in any alleged case) can have their identities revealed before a verdict has been ruled
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I somewhat agree
But I believe the raisin people accused of grape are made public is to encourage other victims to come forward

It is usually not a one off crime. Tge intentions are good but the consequences could be devastating for innocently accuse3

I think the most sensible approach would be to work to the assumption that the woman is probably lying, since they do often are.

comment by Garner be a star (U13920)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Gunner12 (U7418)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Boy From The South:. HOUSTON ASTROS WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!!! (U3979)
posted 57 seconds ago
Regarding your point 3, not one ounce of information should ever be made public until a case reaches its conclusion and it should be illegal to even report on an ongoing case to protect both the victim and those who may be falsely accused.
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Completely agree! Have never understood how defendants (in any alleged case) can have their identities revealed before a verdict has been ruled
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I somewhat agree
But I believe the raisin people accused of grape are made public is to encourage other victims to come forward

It is usually not a one off crime. Tge intentions are good but the consequences could be devastating for innocently accuse3
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Ffs stop wining about grapes.

comment by Greta Thunberg, the Communist mouthpiece 👅 (U9335)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the most sensible approach would be to work to the assumption that the woman is probably lying, since they do often are.
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They're out to get us!!

comment by Gunner12 (U7418)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Boy From The South:. HOUSTON ASTROS WORLD SERIES CHAMPIONS!!!! (U3979)
posted 57 seconds ago
Regarding your point 3, not one ounce of information should ever be made public until a case reaches its conclusion and it should be illegal to even report on an ongoing case to protect both the victim and those who may be falsely accused.
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Completely agree! Have never understood how defendants (in any alleged case) can have their identities revealed before a verdict has been ruled
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The alternative is there is an open and shut case that, due to the backlog is cases takes years to get to trial. In that time, due to immunity, the rapist has gone on and committed 3 more rapes, including on children.

comment by Gunner12 (U7418)
posted 17 minutes ago
Completely agree with point 4. What is ultimately conflicting Utd, and other football fans, is the lack of explanation and the possible idea that Greenwood may actually be innocent in all of this. Surely a clear breakdown would take any ambiguity out of this and at the minimum provide a sense of reasoning for the general public.

That being said I do accept that this creates a load of other issues in terms of morality. Depending on how "damaging" this reasoning is, it could effectively lead to trial by public opinion, without the defendant having a fair chance to defend themselves in a court of law.

Tricky.
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I woudl say that in these cases, it will be in the families/relatives ineterst to know in detail the reasoning behind such decision-making.

I am not sure that as football fans we have any right to know the ins and outs of the process, just because this lad plays for your club. There will be transparency for those most closely involved, and this will probably include the employers.

You hope that clubs do the right thing in terms of their decision on their employee, knowing all the facts, and that the fans can just accept that decision.

In this case with MG, it would be very surprising if United stuck by him. You can already see how the issue has polarised the fan base and the club and sponsors etc will not want the negativity associated with this player and his actions.

comment by Patrizio Billio (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Greta Thunberg, the Communist mouthpiece 👅 (U9335)
posted 8 minutes ago
I think the most sensible approach would be to work to the assumption that the woman is probably lying, since they do often are.
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They're out to get us!!
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WIMMIN

For a start, we need adequate funding of the criminal justice system, courts and policing as all resources are stretched to the point that a great deal of serious crime is being carried out effectively with impunity.

Secondly, police and judges need to be well trained to understand rape based on the most up to date criminological research and to get unhelpful tropes out of their heads. You still hear judges making ridiculous dinosaur remarks, and women reporting crime feeling like they are immediately being treated with suspicion by the police officers who process them.

It's always going to be hard to get high conviction rates for a crime that hinges on consent, and where positive evidence of lack of consent is hard to produce. But our conviction rates are low, and there is considerable evidence that actual instances of rape are higher than what is reported to the police, which reflects the level of confidence victims have.

comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 seconds ago
comment by Gunner12 (U7418)
posted 17 minutes ago
Completely agree with point 4. What is ultimately conflicting Utd, and other football fans, is the lack of explanation and the possible idea that Greenwood may actually be innocent in all of this. Surely a clear breakdown would take any ambiguity out of this and at the minimum provide a sense of reasoning for the general public.

That being said I do accept that this creates a load of other issues in terms of morality. Depending on how "damaging" this reasoning is, it could effectively lead to trial by public opinion, without the defendant having a fair chance to defend themselves in a court of law.

Tricky.
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I woudl say that in these cases, it will be in the families/relatives ineterst to know in detail the reasoning behind such decision-making.

I am not sure that as football fans we have any right to know the ins and outs of the process, just because this lad plays for your club. There will be transparency for those most closely involved, and this will probably include the employers.

You hope that clubs do the right thing in terms of their decision on their employee, knowing all the facts, and that the fans can just accept that decision.

In this case with MG, it would be very surprising if United stuck by him. You can already see how the issue has polarised the fan base and the club and sponsors etc will not want the negativity associated with this player and his actions.

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There is transparency for the alleged victims. They know why the cps is not taking the case forward

The problem we have is many rightly or wrongly feel entitled to know too. Probably due to a lack of trust

I personally would like to know but don't feel I ned to know. But i also understand why some have this need to know. I cannot imagine having a daughter and telling her I support greenwood after what we have seen on the Internet because I believe in the cps. Likewise any woman going through this might rightly or wrongly believe that the cps will fail them without a clear understanding of why they made the decision

The AH and JD case was a wat3shed noment many women due to the transparency understood that AH was not the victim she claimed. If that decision was made without transparency I suspect many of those women will assume it is just another powerful getting his way against a weak vulnerable woman

Shoot first, think later.

comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 5 minutes ago
Shoot first, think later.
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this article is about *ape accusations, not the alec baldwin trial

I just thought of another football solution

I understand the lack of transparency to protect regular women. But when it comes to public profiles such as greenwood, any footballer, politicians etc is it too much to stipulate that any investigation that may bring their organisation to disrepute will have to be shared fully with the public?

These people are public figures and the public maybe deserves a right to know. So as a woman who wants to involve yourself in their lifestyle you should also understand what comes with the territory. Or is that too much?

The Wrapes of Grath would be the sort of TV show Robb watches

The best deterrent would be to start actually convicting some of them.

Unless we are to believe that an overwhelming majority of criminal allegations are fabricated or ‘misunderstandings’ (and statistically, it would need to be >98% of all criminal allegations), the vast majority of raapists are walking away scot-free.

The burden of proof is too high, and the process too long, difficult and complicated.

Unless people are happy to have the vast majority of all raapists walking the streets freely and unpunished, I don’t think this point is arguable, tbh.

In response to those suggesting anonymity for the accused in all cases (or even just high profile, public cases), we’d have even more serial raapists walking the streets.

There are *myriad* cases which have been built against serial raapists - and put many of them away for decades - based on evidence provided by women who have only felt able to come forward once their abuser has been named publicly.

There's no real answer, you just need a cultural change to stop this being so common.