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There’s only one punishment if (before the berties get upset) I said if found guilty of all 100 instances then they must be expelled from the Premier League!
Do they have all the trophies crossed off? I don’t know!
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If we’re found guilty of every charge then I’d agree!
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Well I've read that theres around 100 charges against them, I think even if proven guilty of 10 of them is enough for expulsion in my eyes. Athletes get banned for cheating, clubs should too
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Depends which ones they are, they could have lumped a lot together really. Wouldn’t have looked as impressive though!
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I guess like the Greenwood story, we'll all have to wait on this one too. Perhaps toward the summer we'll all find out more info on both stories
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comment by Christ We Won (U17162)
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comment by meltonblue (U10617)
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comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
There’s only one punishment if (before the berties get upset) I said if found guilty of all 100 instances then they must be expelled from the Premier League!
Do they have all the trophies crossed off? I don’t know!
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If we’re found guilty of every charge then I’d agree!
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Well I've read that theres around 100 charges against them, I think even if proven guilty of 10 of them is enough for expulsion in my eyes. Athletes get banned for cheating, clubs should too
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Depends which ones they are, they could have lumped a lot together really. Wouldn’t have looked as impressive though!
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I guess like the Greenwood story, we'll all have to wait on this one too. Perhaps toward the summer we'll all find out more info on both stories
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Don’t think we’ll find out anything, all the next bits are behind closed doors and you’d think something wouldn’t leak after last time.
It’ll be when the judgment comes through and depending what that is, that probably won’t be the end of it either.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 34 seconds ago
Only last week Boris told me that City are just spending some of their enormous profits?
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It is easy to make enormous profits when you sponsor yourself from another company.
If the charges are proven and it is over a prolonged period, then the club should be stripped of its titles from the seasons the charges relate to. We have all suspected that is was happening. There has been numerous investigations over many years. If the charges are proven then there needs to be serious consequences, as they will have basically ruined those seasons through cheating.
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The charges were already proven. The issue was they were time barred. However the PL doesn't have a time bar so it was only a matter of time.
Further to this it has taken several years meaning recent seasons haven't even been included in the investigation. This could get worse for City.
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That’s not true, the charges weren’t time barred, only certain years were and the charges weren’t proven at the time aside from failing to cooperate.
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That is absolutely true as well as some of the charges not being 'established'. The 93 page document from the CAS stated it. Not sure how you can say it wasn't true when they've said it in black and white.
Payments from Etisalat were time-barred according to UEFA's own rules, and Etihad Airways' payments were partially time-barred.
The panel, by a two to one majority, found “there is no doubt” the club’s main sponsor Etihad “fully complied” with its agreed payments to City, its sponsorship was “fair value” and there is no evidence its payments actually came from City’s parent company Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG).
By the same majority decision, similar allegations relating to another of City’s Abu Dhabi-based sponsors, Etisalat, were not addressed because they occurred more than five years before UEFA charged the club and were therefore “time-barred”.
UEFA, however, was well within its rights to charge City, as there was a “legitimate basis to prosecute” and the charges were “by no means frivolous”.
Contrary to City’s arguments, the hacked emails were admissible, UEFA had not acted unfairly and the 2014 settlement between the two over a previous FFP case was irrelevant.
A majority of the panel also found City were guilty of not cooperating with UEFA, as per the rules, and this breach “was severe” and must be “seriously reproached”.
Then there was the issue with the conflict of interest in the case amongst other things. City clearly got off very lightly. I'd expect with no time bar, this will not be the case this time.
Some European sports lawyers, speaking to the Guardian, have questioned the independence of the panel member nominated by City, Andrew McDougall QC, a partner in the international law firm White and Case. McDougall was chair of his firm’s operations council for Europe, the Middle East and Africa, from 2016-2018, which includes an office in Abu Dhabi. That office lists Etisalat as a client, and the Abu Dhabi airline Etihad, whose sponsorships were also central to the case, as well as several Abu Dhabi state enterprises.
The Cas rules state that “arbitrators must be independent, [having] no particular connection with any of the parties”. There is no suggestion of actual bias on the part of either of City’s nominated arbitrators.
City’s position is understood to be that McDougall himself has not acted for those Abu Dhabi companies although his firm has, and that the club’s hierarchy recommended him because of his strong reputation as a lawyer. Uefa did not respond to a question about whether it raised any objection to McDougall’s appointment. McDougall declined to respond to questions from the Guardian about whether he had an apparent conflict of interest in sitting on the case.
Uefa’s nominee was Ulrich Haas, a German law professor based in Zurich, a long-term arbitrator on Cas panels.
The Etisalat evidence, as well as the more widely reported allegations relating to City’s Etihad sponsorship, was a principal reason underpinning the AC’s findings that City were guilty of a breach serious enough to warrant a two-year ban and €30m fine. The FFP rules, introduced by Uefa in 2010-11 to encourage responsible financial management by clubs, limits the cash owners can pour in, which makes independent sponsorships more important for boosting revenues. Like all relationships between clubs and sports governing bodies, the system relies on trust and honest reporting.
The allegations relating to Etihad’s sponsorship were based on City’s own internal emails, published as “leaks” by the German magazine Der Spiegel in November 2018, prompting the IC to ask City for an explanation. The emails included three from City’s then chief financial officer, Jorge Chumillas, to Simon Pearce, a senior City executive, setting out that in 2012-13, 2013-14 and 2015-16, direct funding from Etihad was only £8m, with ADUG funding the rest, which was £59.5m in 2015-16. One email to Pearce enclosed invoices for the sponsorships, with only £8m charged to Etihad.
Citywere found to have obstructed and failed to cooperate with the CFCB’s investigations, but they gave the Cas panel more cooperation, with executives including Pearce providing evidence and appearing as witnesses, insisting that Etihad funded the whole sponsorship. Sheikh Mansour himself also provided a letter, stating: “I have not authorised ADUG to make any payments to Etihad, Etisalat or any of their affiliates in relation to their sponsorship of MCFC.” On the basis of the further evidence it considered, the Cas panel found the Etihad charge to be “not established”.
The PL don't have a time bar so of course they were going to investigate and they've had several years to get their ducks in a row. I don't think City can wriggle out of this one.
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 59 seconds ago
This is what actual cheating is for those of you with a poor grasp of English.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1915_British_football_match-fixing_scandal
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i love that even when liverpool players agree to throw a match, they are still awarded a penalty
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Maybe that's why they keep throwing games, in an attempt to get a penalty. It's been ten months now since Liverpool last had one.
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comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
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This. They can strip them off it and punished going forward
I’d suggest reading the CAS doc properly Toor, rather than just copying a journalist interpretation (I bet I can guess who wrote that in three attempts btw!)
The charge of disguised owner investment spanned into the reporting period, CAS themselves said time barring the years didn’t have any material impact given there were years it was still applicable for. Those charges then weren’t proven.
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posted 2 seconds ago
Concerned yet boys?
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Not yet. Gutted it’s behind closed doors though!
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
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I suspect just like sanctions being the end of Chelsea, you will end up sadly disappointed over this too
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
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Maybe I'm biased but I would say the massive commercialisation brought about by the sky era (of which United happened to be the principal beneficiary) was the first' worst thing' that happened to top flight football.
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
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comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
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comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
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I suspect just like sanctions being the end of Chelsea, you will end up sadly disappointed over this too
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I dunno......this isn't just 1 or 2 breaches. It's cheating on levels we've never seen before.
Chelsea haven't cheated either. They have just exploited legal loop holes which are now being closed this summer. They have taken huge risks on these players performing. No cheating though.
City having a higher revenue than Real Madrid, Barca, United etc without cooking the books is simply not possible. It's all bene down to dodgy sponsorship deals.
Wouldn't surprise me if there's some major money laundering going on at all these clubs City own too in the City Group. After all they don't make any money so what was is it about them that City thought was such a good business opportunity?
It's been a sham from day one.
Juve got stripped of their titles didn’t they?
If they find us guilty on all the charges it wouldn’t surprise me if they did do that.
If there's irregularities with player and staff wages will Mr Taxman get involved?
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If there's irregularities with player and staff wages will Mr Taxman get involved?
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The Tories were probably advising them.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ham Tyler (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
If there's irregularities with player and staff wages will Mr Taxman get involved?
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The Tories were probably advising them.
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Probably get a massive rebate then.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
City having a higher revenue than Real Madrid, Barca, United etc without cooking the books is simply not possible. It's all bene down to dodgy sponsorship deals.
Wouldn't surprise me if there's some major money laundering going on at all these clubs City own too in the City Group. After all they don't make any money so what was is it about them that City thought was such a good business opportunity?
It's been a sham from day one.
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You don’t need that explaining surely? The CFG has always been a good idea, that’s one of the main reasons we got the outside investment we did.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
Juve got stripped of their titles didn’t they?
If they find us guilty on all the charges it wouldn’t surprise me if they did do that.
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Matchfixing. Completely different
comment by Ham Tyler (U15867)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ham Tyler (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
If there's irregularities with player and staff wages will Mr Taxman get involved?
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The Tories were probably advising them.
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Probably get a massive rebate then.
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The charges will be heard by an independent panel headed by a KC rather than a chamber made up of stooges from United. Arsenal and Liverpool.
Sorry to disappoint you .
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
City having a higher revenue than Real Madrid, Barca, United etc without cooking the books is simply not possible. It's all bene down to dodgy sponsorship deals.
Wouldn't surprise me if there's some major money laundering going on at all these clubs City own too in the City Group. After all they don't make any money so what was is it about them that City thought was such a good business opportunity?
It's been a sham from day one.
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You don’t need that explaining surely? The CFG has always been a good idea, that’s one of the main reasons we got the outside investment we did.
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Melts......give it up mate. 100 breaches and that could just be the tip of the iceberg too. There's probably way more than that.
If you worm your way out of this the integrity of the competition is ruined for good.
Rumour has it that Cancelo was so fed up of the ra*ist in his same position paying off people that he whistle blew on the corrupt Emirati regime
I’m amazed the title of the OP has been allowed
Utter filth
I will go on record here by saying nothing will happen with City here. They will appeal whatever decision is made against them and win it.
So long as the decision isn’t made at Spurs Stadium.
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posted on 6/2/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Christ We Won (U17162)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
There’s only one punishment if (before the berties get upset) I said if found guilty of all 100 instances then they must be expelled from the Premier League!
Do they have all the trophies crossed off? I don’t know!
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If we’re found guilty of every charge then I’d agree!
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Well I've read that theres around 100 charges against them, I think even if proven guilty of 10 of them is enough for expulsion in my eyes. Athletes get banned for cheating, clubs should too
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Depends which ones they are, they could have lumped a lot together really. Wouldn’t have looked as impressive though!
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I guess like the Greenwood story, we'll all have to wait on this one too. Perhaps toward the summer we'll all find out more info on both stories
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Christ We Won (U17162)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Christ We Won (U17162)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by RED666👺 The Influencer (U6562)
posted 1 minute ago
There’s only one punishment if (before the berties get upset) I said if found guilty of all 100 instances then they must be expelled from the Premier League!
Do they have all the trophies crossed off? I don’t know!
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If we’re found guilty of every charge then I’d agree!
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Well I've read that theres around 100 charges against them, I think even if proven guilty of 10 of them is enough for expulsion in my eyes. Athletes get banned for cheating, clubs should too
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Depends which ones they are, they could have lumped a lot together really. Wouldn’t have looked as impressive though!
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I guess like the Greenwood story, we'll all have to wait on this one too. Perhaps toward the summer we'll all find out more info on both stories
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Don’t think we’ll find out anything, all the next bits are behind closed doors and you’d think something wouldn’t leak after last time.
It’ll be when the judgment comes through and depending what that is, that probably won’t be the end of it either.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneRed's (U1721)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 57 minutes ago
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 34 seconds ago
Only last week Boris told me that City are just spending some of their enormous profits?
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It is easy to make enormous profits when you sponsor yourself from another company.
If the charges are proven and it is over a prolonged period, then the club should be stripped of its titles from the seasons the charges relate to. We have all suspected that is was happening. There has been numerous investigations over many years. If the charges are proven then there needs to be serious consequences, as they will have basically ruined those seasons through cheating.
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The charges were already proven. The issue was they were time barred. However the PL doesn't have a time bar so it was only a matter of time.
Further to this it has taken several years meaning recent seasons haven't even been included in the investigation. This could get worse for City.
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That’s not true, the charges weren’t time barred, only certain years were and the charges weren’t proven at the time aside from failing to cooperate.
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That is absolutely true as well as some of the charges not being 'established'. The 93 page document from the CAS stated it. Not sure how you can say it wasn't true when they've said it in black and white.
Payments from Etisalat were time-barred according to UEFA's own rules, and Etihad Airways' payments were partially time-barred.
The panel, by a two to one majority, found “there is no doubt” the club’s main sponsor Etihad “fully complied” with its agreed payments to City, its sponsorship was “fair value” and there is no evidence its payments actually came from City’s parent company Abu Dhabi United Group (ADUG).
By the same majority decision, similar allegations relating to another of City’s Abu Dhabi-based sponsors, Etisalat, were not addressed because they occurred more than five years before UEFA charged the club and were therefore “time-barred”.
UEFA, however, was well within its rights to charge City, as there was a “legitimate basis to prosecute” and the charges were “by no means frivolous”.
Contrary to City’s arguments, the hacked emails were admissible, UEFA had not acted unfairly and the 2014 settlement between the two over a previous FFP case was irrelevant.
A majority of the panel also found City were guilty of not cooperating with UEFA, as per the rules, and this breach “was severe” and must be “seriously reproached”.
Then there was the issue with the conflict of interest in the case amongst other things. City clearly got off very lightly. I'd expect with no time bar, this will not be the case this time.
Some European sports lawyers, speaking to the Guardian, have questioned the independence of the panel member nominated by City, Andrew McDougall QC, a partner in the international law firm White and Case. McDougall was chair of his firm’s operations council for Europe, the Middle East and Africa, from 2016-2018, which includes an office in Abu Dhabi. That office lists Etisalat as a client, and the Abu Dhabi airline Etihad, whose sponsorships were also central to the case, as well as several Abu Dhabi state enterprises.
The Cas rules state that “arbitrators must be independent, [having] no particular connection with any of the parties”. There is no suggestion of actual bias on the part of either of City’s nominated arbitrators.
City’s position is understood to be that McDougall himself has not acted for those Abu Dhabi companies although his firm has, and that the club’s hierarchy recommended him because of his strong reputation as a lawyer. Uefa did not respond to a question about whether it raised any objection to McDougall’s appointment. McDougall declined to respond to questions from the Guardian about whether he had an apparent conflict of interest in sitting on the case.
Uefa’s nominee was Ulrich Haas, a German law professor based in Zurich, a long-term arbitrator on Cas panels.
The Etisalat evidence, as well as the more widely reported allegations relating to City’s Etihad sponsorship, was a principal reason underpinning the AC’s findings that City were guilty of a breach serious enough to warrant a two-year ban and €30m fine. The FFP rules, introduced by Uefa in 2010-11 to encourage responsible financial management by clubs, limits the cash owners can pour in, which makes independent sponsorships more important for boosting revenues. Like all relationships between clubs and sports governing bodies, the system relies on trust and honest reporting.
The allegations relating to Etihad’s sponsorship were based on City’s own internal emails, published as “leaks” by the German magazine Der Spiegel in November 2018, prompting the IC to ask City for an explanation. The emails included three from City’s then chief financial officer, Jorge Chumillas, to Simon Pearce, a senior City executive, setting out that in 2012-13, 2013-14 and 2015-16, direct funding from Etihad was only £8m, with ADUG funding the rest, which was £59.5m in 2015-16. One email to Pearce enclosed invoices for the sponsorships, with only £8m charged to Etihad.
Citywere found to have obstructed and failed to cooperate with the CFCB’s investigations, but they gave the Cas panel more cooperation, with executives including Pearce providing evidence and appearing as witnesses, insisting that Etihad funded the whole sponsorship. Sheikh Mansour himself also provided a letter, stating: “I have not authorised ADUG to make any payments to Etihad, Etisalat or any of their affiliates in relation to their sponsorship of MCFC.” On the basis of the further evidence it considered, the Cas panel found the Etihad charge to be “not established”.
The PL don't have a time bar so of course they were going to investigate and they've had several years to get their ducks in a row. I don't think City can wriggle out of this one.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Don Draper's dandruff (U20155)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 59 seconds ago
This is what actual cheating is for those of you with a poor grasp of English.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1915_British_football_match-fixing_scandal
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i love that even when liverpool players agree to throw a match, they are still awarded a penalty
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Maybe that's why they keep throwing games, in an attempt to get a penalty. It's been ten months now since Liverpool last had one.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
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This. They can strip them off it and punished going forward
posted on 6/2/23
Concerned yet boys?
posted on 6/2/23
I’d suggest reading the CAS doc properly Toor, rather than just copying a journalist interpretation (I bet I can guess who wrote that in three attempts btw!)
The charge of disguised owner investment spanned into the reporting period, CAS themselves said time barring the years didn’t have any material impact given there were years it was still applicable for. Those charges then weren’t proven.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 seconds ago
Concerned yet boys?
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Not yet. Gutted it’s behind closed doors though!
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
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I suspect just like sanctions being the end of Chelsea, you will end up sadly disappointed over this too
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
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Maybe I'm biased but I would say the massive commercialisation brought about by the sky era (of which United happened to be the principal beneficiary) was the first' worst thing' that happened to top flight football.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by CFC: Quad stoppers (U20729)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sky-blue (U22529)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 27 minutes ago
A 15 to 20 point deduction doesn't seem to fit the crime at all. City would probably look at that as a win. Definitely should drop down a division minimum. It's outrageous there are so many breaches. The other clubs need to come down hard and demand them be relegated.
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What is the crime though? I appreciate you are on the wum but if you have to ramble on at least know what the charges are.
Some of the titles some of you have colourfully reffered to were obtained in a period thats not been investigated.
More slander, negative publicity but fully expect the club attorneys to squash each charge. Maybe the independent body may recommend that the charges are frivolous and cant be proven.
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The end is nigh....
You can't run away from your sins forever. The other 19 clubs need to grow a backbone and get you kicked out.
MASSSIVEEEE Cheats
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You do know you won’t win a trophy for this and you have still been rubbish for a decade despite your spending
Nothing will change
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Don't care about being given titles from the past. They can be stripped and given to nobody for me.
City can't be allowed to keep them though if cheating the books led to them happening which every man and his dog knows it did.
You Russian lot and City are the worst thing to ever happen to the PL. Not surprised you're defending them.
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I suspect just like sanctions being the end of Chelsea, you will end up sadly disappointed over this too
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I dunno......this isn't just 1 or 2 breaches. It's cheating on levels we've never seen before.
Chelsea haven't cheated either. They have just exploited legal loop holes which are now being closed this summer. They have taken huge risks on these players performing. No cheating though.
posted on 6/2/23
City having a higher revenue than Real Madrid, Barca, United etc without cooking the books is simply not possible. It's all bene down to dodgy sponsorship deals.
Wouldn't surprise me if there's some major money laundering going on at all these clubs City own too in the City Group. After all they don't make any money so what was is it about them that City thought was such a good business opportunity?
It's been a sham from day one.
posted on 6/2/23
Juve got stripped of their titles didn’t they?
If they find us guilty on all the charges it wouldn’t surprise me if they did do that.
posted on 6/2/23
If there's irregularities with player and staff wages will Mr Taxman get involved?
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Ham Tyler (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
If there's irregularities with player and staff wages will Mr Taxman get involved?
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The Tories were probably advising them.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ham Tyler (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
If there's irregularities with player and staff wages will Mr Taxman get involved?
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The Tories were probably advising them.
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Probably get a massive rebate then.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
City having a higher revenue than Real Madrid, Barca, United etc without cooking the books is simply not possible. It's all bene down to dodgy sponsorship deals.
Wouldn't surprise me if there's some major money laundering going on at all these clubs City own too in the City Group. After all they don't make any money so what was is it about them that City thought was such a good business opportunity?
It's been a sham from day one.
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You don’t need that explaining surely? The CFG has always been a good idea, that’s one of the main reasons we got the outside investment we did.
posted on 6/2/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 6 minutes ago
Juve got stripped of their titles didn’t they?
If they find us guilty on all the charges it wouldn’t surprise me if they did do that.
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Matchfixing. Completely different
posted on 6/2/23
comment by Ham Tyler (U15867)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Lisandro The King Martinez (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ham Tyler (U15867)
posted 2 minutes ago
If there's irregularities with player and staff wages will Mr Taxman get involved?
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The Tories were probably advising them.
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Probably get a massive rebate then.
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posted on 6/2/23
The charges will be heard by an independent panel headed by a KC rather than a chamber made up of stooges from United. Arsenal and Liverpool.
Sorry to disappoint you .
posted on 6/2/23
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
City having a higher revenue than Real Madrid, Barca, United etc without cooking the books is simply not possible. It's all bene down to dodgy sponsorship deals.
Wouldn't surprise me if there's some major money laundering going on at all these clubs City own too in the City Group. After all they don't make any money so what was is it about them that City thought was such a good business opportunity?
It's been a sham from day one.
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You don’t need that explaining surely? The CFG has always been a good idea, that’s one of the main reasons we got the outside investment we did.
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Melts......give it up mate. 100 breaches and that could just be the tip of the iceberg too. There's probably way more than that.
If you worm your way out of this the integrity of the competition is ruined for good.
posted on 6/2/23
Rumour has it that Cancelo was so fed up of the ra*ist in his same position paying off people that he whistle blew on the corrupt Emirati regime
posted on 6/2/23
I’m amazed the title of the OP has been allowed
Utter filth
posted on 6/2/23
I will go on record here by saying nothing will happen with City here. They will appeal whatever decision is made against them and win it.
So long as the decision isn’t made at Spurs Stadium.
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