comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 51 seconds ago
She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship. So the UK has made her stateless. The British knew she was being trafficked via Canadian services. They handed her over to ISIS. They could have prevented it, they didn't.
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She appears to have had Bangladeshi citizenship at the point of being stripped. Hence why it was found to have been legal this week.
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Where is this the case? The only thing that I've read is that her parents are Bangladeshi. That doesn't give automatic citizenship unless she actually had one beforehand.
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Ah, from what I read, if her parents are Bangladeshi citizenshishp then she would have got it automatically.
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 51 seconds ago
She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship. So the UK has made her stateless. The British knew she was being trafficked via Canadian services. They handed her over to ISIS. They could have prevented it, they didn't.
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She appears to have had Bangladeshi citizenship at the point of being stripped. Hence why it was found to have been legal this week.
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Where is this the case? The only thing that I've read is that her parents are Bangladeshi. That doesn't give automatic citizenship unless she actually had one beforehand.
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Yes it does. Under the Bangladeshi Citizenship act 1951 then as along as her parents had citizenship and they were born in Bangladesh, then Shamima would automatically gain citizenship by descent.
It's a bit more complicated if her parents only gained Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (her birth would have to have been registered) but as far as I can ascertain they were born in Bangladesh and moved to Britain.
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
Here is a far fetched example to try and get people to understand some people's point of view.
OK, you own a staffie (you probably do to be fair), the staffie was kicked and beaten as a puppy by a previous owner. The staffie attacks a child and seriously injures it due to being nervous around people. You are told that the staffie must prove that it is no longer a threat to children or it must be put down. The staffie continues to try and attack children when they approach it in a test.
The staffie has to get put down. Do you feel bad for the staffie in any way at all?
A quick exercise for your idiot brains (no offence).
Option 1: No, because the staffie is a danger to people and shows no sign of changing
Option 2: Yes, because the staffie is like this due to how the previous owners treated it when it was just a puppy.
Only allowed to pick one option as the world is black and white.
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It could have its teeth removed and replaced with strips of rubber
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Bring her back, lock her up until trial and then keep her locked up and throw away the key.
There are some mitigating factors but ultimately you know that the ISIS rhetoric & actions are pure evil, even at 15/16/17.
As others have mentioned she doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I won’t lose sleep either way though.
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Until she is deemed no longer a significant threat to the wider public. If through whatever we can do through the prison system we are able to rehabilitate her, she should be assessed through the normal parole procedures.
We have a prison system that has dealt with and continues to deal with terrorists. Use it.
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Sure sure but with terrorists, I won’t lose sleep over it either way.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
Here is a far fetched example to try and get people to understand some people's point of view.
OK, you own a staffie (you probably do to be fair), the staffie was kicked and beaten as a puppy by a previous owner. The staffie attacks a child and seriously injures it due to being nervous around people. You are told that the staffie must prove that it is no longer a threat to children or it must be put down. The staffie continues to try and attack children when they approach it in a test.
The staffie has to get put down. Do you feel bad for the staffie in any way at all?
A quick exercise for your idiot brains (no offence).
Option 1: No, because the staffie is a danger to people and shows no sign of changing
Option 2: Yes, because the staffie is like this due to how the previous owners treated it when it was just a puppy.
Only allowed to pick one option as the world is black and white.
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It could have its teeth removed and replaced with strips of rubber
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No. It is killed or nothing.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
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Bangladesh says she isn't and has never applied and never is. So effectively she has been made stateless by the UK.
She's a British citizen and our responsibility. I haven't read the comments on here, largely because I'll probably sigh at the right wing lack of compassion that is no doubt a large chunk of the sentiment.
She was 15 years old, brainwashed and captivated by a promised sense of belonging, which is something she's openly admitted she didn't have growing up. To think she poses a danger is frankly moronic. Even if you think she does, she should be face the consequences in her homeland, not in some stateless refugee centre. She has lost three children to a combination of ISIS rule and refugee camp hunger. Has she not suffered enough?
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
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Yet this has been examined in UK courts and so far has been upheld as being legal which suggests she did have citizenship.
Begum herself can say whatever she wants, but in reality it doesn't matter if she speaks Bengali, if she was born in Bangladesh, or if she has ever been there since it is entirely possible to have Bangladeshi citizenship without fulfilling any of those criteria.
Ministry for Foreign affairs can also say what they like and it won't necessarily reflect the legal position. If her mother or father was born in Bangladesh then she would gain that citizenship automatically. She wouldn't have to apply for dual citizenship until she turned 21. It is possible that they made a mistake, or that this was a political statement due to the nature of the situation.
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
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What's so funny?
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
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What's so funny?
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Cos the Begum lass isnae allowed here, she's currently stuck somewhere else. Would love to be stuck in the UK. Ok, maybe not as funny when explained.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
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Yet this has been examined in UK courts and so far has been upheld as being legal which suggests she did have citizenship.
Begum herself can say whatever she wants, but in reality it doesn't matter if she speaks Bengali, if she was born in Bangladesh, or if she has ever been there since it is entirely possible to have Bangladeshi citizenship without fulfilling any of those criteria.
Ministry for Foreign affairs can also say what they like and it won't necessarily reflect the legal position. If her mother or father was born in Bangladesh then she would gain that citizenship automatically. She wouldn't have to apply for dual citizenship until she turned 21. It is possible that they made a mistake, or that this was a political statement due to the nature of the situation.
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It's all political. Bangladesh denies she has it, UK argues she has.
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Bring her back, lock her up until trial and then keep her locked up and throw away the key.
There are some mitigating factors but ultimately you know that the ISIS rhetoric & actions are pure evil, even at 15/16/17.
As others have mentioned she doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I won’t lose sleep either way though.
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Until she is deemed no longer a significant threat to the wider public. If through whatever we can do through the prison system we are able to rehabilitate her, she should be assessed through the normal parole procedures.
We have a prison system that has dealt with and continues to deal with terrorists. Use it.
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Sure sure but with terrorists, I won’t lose sleep over it either way.
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I lose sleep over many things, and won’t on the case of an individual like this. What I am concerned about is the treatment of people who have dual nationality, like my daughter for example. The implication of this is that one can have their British nationality revoked if they could also conceivably have another nationality, that’s a two-tier approach to nationality in this country which I do object to.
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
OK, you own a staffie (you probably do to be fair),
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comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
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What's so funny?
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Cos the Begum lass isnae allowed here, she's currently stuck somewhere else. Would love to be stuck in the UK. Ok, maybe not as funny when explained.
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Ok.
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
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Yet this has been examined in UK courts and so far has been upheld as being legal which suggests she did have citizenship.
Begum herself can say whatever she wants, but in reality it doesn't matter if she speaks Bengali, if she was born in Bangladesh, or if she has ever been there since it is entirely possible to have Bangladeshi citizenship without fulfilling any of those criteria.
Ministry for Foreign affairs can also say what they like and it won't necessarily reflect the legal position. If her mother or father was born in Bangladesh then she would gain that citizenship automatically. She wouldn't have to apply for dual citizenship until she turned 21. It is possible that they made a mistake, or that this was a political statement due to the nature of the situation.
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It's all political. Bangladesh denies she has it, UK argues she has.
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Sure, but it has to be one or the other and based on the law in Bangladesh it depends where her parents were born. If they were born in Bangladesh then she has it.
If they only gained their citizenship by descent (ie they were born abroad to Bangladeshi citizens) then she has it if they registered her as a citizen but not otherwise.
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
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What's so funny?
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Cos the Begum lass isnae allowed here, she's currently stuck somewhere else. Would love to be stuck in the UK. Ok, maybe not as funny when explained.
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Ok.
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sense of humour bypass for this one
She'll have to Begum to let her into the country now. Apologies if my brilliant pun has already been used. Long thred, tldr
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Bring her back, lock her up until trial and then keep her locked up and throw away the key.
There are some mitigating factors but ultimately you know that the ISIS rhetoric & actions are pure evil, even at 15/16/17.
As others have mentioned she doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I won’t lose sleep either way though.
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Until she is deemed no longer a significant threat to the wider public. If through whatever we can do through the prison system we are able to rehabilitate her, she should be assessed through the normal parole procedures.
We have a prison system that has dealt with and continues to deal with terrorists. Use it.
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Sure sure but with terrorists, I won’t lose sleep over it either way.
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I lose sleep over many things, and won’t on the case of an individual like this. What I am concerned about is the treatment of people who have dual nationality, like my daughter for example. The implication of this is that one can have their British nationality revoked if they could also conceivably have another nationality, that’s a two-tier approach to nationality in this country which I do object to.
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A lot of people don't care unless it can affect them
If the Chinese courts upheld something 'just because' none of us would recognise it as legit.
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Bring her back, lock her up until trial and then keep her locked up and throw away the key.
There are some mitigating factors but ultimately you know that the ISIS rhetoric & actions are pure evil, even at 15/16/17.
As others have mentioned she doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I won’t lose sleep either way though.
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Until she is deemed no longer a significant threat to the wider public. If through whatever we can do through the prison system we are able to rehabilitate her, she should be assessed through the normal parole procedures.
We have a prison system that has dealt with and continues to deal with terrorists. Use it.
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Sure sure but with terrorists, I won’t lose sleep over it either way.
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I lose sleep over many things, and won’t on the case of an individual like this. What I am concerned about is the treatment of people who have dual nationality, like my daughter for example. The implication of this is that one can have their British nationality revoked if they could also conceivably have another nationality, that’s a two-tier approach to nationality in this country which I do object to.
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The end of the day, nobody is having their nationality revoked if they don't join a terrorist organisation.
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posted on 22/2/23
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 51 seconds ago
She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship. So the UK has made her stateless. The British knew she was being trafficked via Canadian services. They handed her over to ISIS. They could have prevented it, they didn't.
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She appears to have had Bangladeshi citizenship at the point of being stripped. Hence why it was found to have been legal this week.
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Where is this the case? The only thing that I've read is that her parents are Bangladeshi. That doesn't give automatic citizenship unless she actually had one beforehand.
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Ah, from what I read, if her parents are Bangladeshi citizenshishp then she would have got it automatically.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 21 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 51 seconds ago
She doesn't have Bangladeshi citizenship. So the UK has made her stateless. The British knew she was being trafficked via Canadian services. They handed her over to ISIS. They could have prevented it, they didn't.
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She appears to have had Bangladeshi citizenship at the point of being stripped. Hence why it was found to have been legal this week.
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Where is this the case? The only thing that I've read is that her parents are Bangladeshi. That doesn't give automatic citizenship unless she actually had one beforehand.
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Yes it does. Under the Bangladeshi Citizenship act 1951 then as along as her parents had citizenship and they were born in Bangladesh, then Shamima would automatically gain citizenship by descent.
It's a bit more complicated if her parents only gained Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (her birth would have to have been registered) but as far as I can ascertain they were born in Bangladesh and moved to Britain.
posted on 22/2/23
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
Here is a far fetched example to try and get people to understand some people's point of view.
OK, you own a staffie (you probably do to be fair), the staffie was kicked and beaten as a puppy by a previous owner. The staffie attacks a child and seriously injures it due to being nervous around people. You are told that the staffie must prove that it is no longer a threat to children or it must be put down. The staffie continues to try and attack children when they approach it in a test.
The staffie has to get put down. Do you feel bad for the staffie in any way at all?
A quick exercise for your idiot brains (no offence).
Option 1: No, because the staffie is a danger to people and shows no sign of changing
Option 2: Yes, because the staffie is like this due to how the previous owners treated it when it was just a puppy.
Only allowed to pick one option as the world is black and white.
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It could have its teeth removed and replaced with strips of rubber
posted on 22/2/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Bring her back, lock her up until trial and then keep her locked up and throw away the key.
There are some mitigating factors but ultimately you know that the ISIS rhetoric & actions are pure evil, even at 15/16/17.
As others have mentioned she doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I won’t lose sleep either way though.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Until she is deemed no longer a significant threat to the wider public. If through whatever we can do through the prison system we are able to rehabilitate her, she should be assessed through the normal parole procedures.
We have a prison system that has dealt with and continues to deal with terrorists. Use it.
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Sure sure but with terrorists, I won’t lose sleep over it either way.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
Here is a far fetched example to try and get people to understand some people's point of view.
OK, you own a staffie (you probably do to be fair), the staffie was kicked and beaten as a puppy by a previous owner. The staffie attacks a child and seriously injures it due to being nervous around people. You are told that the staffie must prove that it is no longer a threat to children or it must be put down. The staffie continues to try and attack children when they approach it in a test.
The staffie has to get put down. Do you feel bad for the staffie in any way at all?
A quick exercise for your idiot brains (no offence).
Option 1: No, because the staffie is a danger to people and shows no sign of changing
Option 2: Yes, because the staffie is like this due to how the previous owners treated it when it was just a puppy.
Only allowed to pick one option as the world is black and white.
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It could have its teeth removed and replaced with strips of rubber
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No. It is killed or nothing.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
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Bangladesh says she isn't and has never applied and never is. So effectively she has been made stateless by the UK.
posted on 22/2/23
She's a British citizen and our responsibility. I haven't read the comments on here, largely because I'll probably sigh at the right wing lack of compassion that is no doubt a large chunk of the sentiment.
She was 15 years old, brainwashed and captivated by a promised sense of belonging, which is something she's openly admitted she didn't have growing up. To think she poses a danger is frankly moronic. Even if you think she does, she should be face the consequences in her homeland, not in some stateless refugee centre. She has lost three children to a combination of ISIS rule and refugee camp hunger. Has she not suffered enough?
posted on 22/2/23
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
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Yet this has been examined in UK courts and so far has been upheld as being legal which suggests she did have citizenship.
Begum herself can say whatever she wants, but in reality it doesn't matter if she speaks Bengali, if she was born in Bangladesh, or if she has ever been there since it is entirely possible to have Bangladeshi citizenship without fulfilling any of those criteria.
Ministry for Foreign affairs can also say what they like and it won't necessarily reflect the legal position. If her mother or father was born in Bangladesh then she would gain that citizenship automatically. She wouldn't have to apply for dual citizenship until she turned 21. It is possible that they made a mistake, or that this was a political statement due to the nature of the situation.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
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What's so funny?
posted on 22/2/23
CurrentlystuckinSyria
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
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What's so funny?
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Cos the Begum lass isnae allowed here, she's currently stuck somewhere else. Would love to be stuck in the UK. Ok, maybe not as funny when explained.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
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Yet this has been examined in UK courts and so far has been upheld as being legal which suggests she did have citizenship.
Begum herself can say whatever she wants, but in reality it doesn't matter if she speaks Bengali, if she was born in Bangladesh, or if she has ever been there since it is entirely possible to have Bangladeshi citizenship without fulfilling any of those criteria.
Ministry for Foreign affairs can also say what they like and it won't necessarily reflect the legal position. If her mother or father was born in Bangladesh then she would gain that citizenship automatically. She wouldn't have to apply for dual citizenship until she turned 21. It is possible that they made a mistake, or that this was a political statement due to the nature of the situation.
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It's all political. Bangladesh denies she has it, UK argues she has.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Bring her back, lock her up until trial and then keep her locked up and throw away the key.
There are some mitigating factors but ultimately you know that the ISIS rhetoric & actions are pure evil, even at 15/16/17.
As others have mentioned she doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I won’t lose sleep either way though.
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Until she is deemed no longer a significant threat to the wider public. If through whatever we can do through the prison system we are able to rehabilitate her, she should be assessed through the normal parole procedures.
We have a prison system that has dealt with and continues to deal with terrorists. Use it.
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Sure sure but with terrorists, I won’t lose sleep over it either way.
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I lose sleep over many things, and won’t on the case of an individual like this. What I am concerned about is the treatment of people who have dual nationality, like my daughter for example. The implication of this is that one can have their British nationality revoked if they could also conceivably have another nationality, that’s a two-tier approach to nationality in this country which I do object to.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
OK, you own a staffie (you probably do to be fair),
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posted on 22/2/23
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
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What's so funny?
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Cos the Begum lass isnae allowed here, she's currently stuck somewhere else. Would love to be stuck in the UK. Ok, maybe not as funny when explained.
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Ok.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 second ago
"Note, however that the Act states that for this to be the case, if the parent from whom the citizenship is to be inherited obtained their Bangladeshi citizenship by descent (rather than birth, for example) then the birth must be registered at the nearest Bangladeshi Embassy or Mission."
Was her birth registered? Was that the reason?
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That only matters if her parents gIned their citizenship by descent rather than being born in Bangladesh. I don't know for certain if this is the case but they certainly immigrated to Britain.
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Begum does not hold any other nationality. Begum’s father resides in Bangladesh and her mother is believed to be a Bangladeshi national, and the U.K. government has argued that under Bangladeshi law, this means Begum is automatically a citizen of the country as well. However, Begum previously told the BBC that she only had “one citizenship.” “I wasn’t born in Bangladesh, I’ve never seen Bangladesh and I don’t even speak Bengali properly, so how can they claim I have Bangladeshi citizenship,” she said.
Bangladesh’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs confirmed that Begum is not a Bangladeshi citizen, that she had never applied for dual nationality with Bangladesh, and that she had never visited the country. In a statement in 2019, it said that it was “deeply concerned” that Begum had been “erroneously identified” as a Bangladeshi national.
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Yet this has been examined in UK courts and so far has been upheld as being legal which suggests she did have citizenship.
Begum herself can say whatever she wants, but in reality it doesn't matter if she speaks Bengali, if she was born in Bangladesh, or if she has ever been there since it is entirely possible to have Bangladeshi citizenship without fulfilling any of those criteria.
Ministry for Foreign affairs can also say what they like and it won't necessarily reflect the legal position. If her mother or father was born in Bangladesh then she would gain that citizenship automatically. She wouldn't have to apply for dual citizenship until she turned 21. It is possible that they made a mistake, or that this was a political statement due to the nature of the situation.
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It's all political. Bangladesh denies she has it, UK argues she has.
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Sure, but it has to be one or the other and based on the law in Bangladesh it depends where her parents were born. If they were born in Bangladesh then she has it.
If they only gained their citizenship by descent (ie they were born abroad to Bangladeshi citizens) then she has it if they registered her as a citizen but not otherwise.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by CurrentlyStuckIntheUK (U11181)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
CurrentlyStuckIntheUK is a funny username with regards to commenting on this article. I lolled.
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What's so funny?
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Cos the Begum lass isnae allowed here, she's currently stuck somewhere else. Would love to be stuck in the UK. Ok, maybe not as funny when explained.
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Ok.
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sense of humour bypass for this one
posted on 22/2/23
She'll have to Begum to let her into the country now. Apologies if my brilliant pun has already been used. Long thred, tldr
posted on 22/2/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Bring her back, lock her up until trial and then keep her locked up and throw away the key.
There are some mitigating factors but ultimately you know that the ISIS rhetoric & actions are pure evil, even at 15/16/17.
As others have mentioned she doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I won’t lose sleep either way though.
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Until she is deemed no longer a significant threat to the wider public. If through whatever we can do through the prison system we are able to rehabilitate her, she should be assessed through the normal parole procedures.
We have a prison system that has dealt with and continues to deal with terrorists. Use it.
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Sure sure but with terrorists, I won’t lose sleep over it either way.
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I lose sleep over many things, and won’t on the case of an individual like this. What I am concerned about is the treatment of people who have dual nationality, like my daughter for example. The implication of this is that one can have their British nationality revoked if they could also conceivably have another nationality, that’s a two-tier approach to nationality in this country which I do object to.
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A lot of people don't care unless it can affect them
posted on 22/2/23
If the Chinese courts upheld something 'just because' none of us would recognise it as legit.
posted on 22/2/23
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by bmcl1987 - the M stands for meltdown 🤓 (U14177)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 1 minute ago
Bring her back, lock her up until trial and then keep her locked up and throw away the key.
There are some mitigating factors but ultimately you know that the ISIS rhetoric & actions are pure evil, even at 15/16/17.
As others have mentioned she doesn’t seem to have much remorse.
I won’t lose sleep either way though.
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Until she is deemed no longer a significant threat to the wider public. If through whatever we can do through the prison system we are able to rehabilitate her, she should be assessed through the normal parole procedures.
We have a prison system that has dealt with and continues to deal with terrorists. Use it.
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Sure sure but with terrorists, I won’t lose sleep over it either way.
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I lose sleep over many things, and won’t on the case of an individual like this. What I am concerned about is the treatment of people who have dual nationality, like my daughter for example. The implication of this is that one can have their British nationality revoked if they could also conceivably have another nationality, that’s a two-tier approach to nationality in this country which I do object to.
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The end of the day, nobody is having their nationality revoked if they don't join a terrorist organisation.
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