Honestly don't understand the defense of her at all.
You do wrong and run the risk of expulsion. She did wrong, got booted. Tough shat, hope she dies miserable.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 38 minutes ago
I might be wrong but are folk not coming at this from the wrong place? Did the UK not warn UK citizens that they risked having their citizenship revoked by doing what Begum did?
So age aside, bangladesh sideshow aside, whether she killed or conspired to kill folk or not aside...after having ignored the warnings and suffering the consequences why should UK be absorbing the costs of prosecution and likely lifetime incarceration?
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Because she was raised in the UK and is our problem. Also, as of yet she hasn't been tried or found guilty of a single crime. Are you really comfortable with the government being able to strip you of your citizenship, rights, and home without due process and giving you a fair trial (or any trial)?
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If I was a terrorist risk to my country I guess I might expect it, no?
She made comments saying she supported the Manchester Arena bombing and other atrocities here in the UK.
She was in her 20's when she made these comments so I'm not having any of this "She's only a kid" BS.
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messi the goat. (U11551)
posted 6 hours, 58 minutes ago
Honestly don't understand the defense of her at all.
You do wrong and run the risk of expulsion. She did wrong, got booted. Tough shat, hope she dies miserable.
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Do you?
Since when has ‘booting people out’ been a legitimate punishment in this country?
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 38 minutes ago
I might be wrong but are folk not coming at this from the wrong place? Did the UK not warn UK citizens that they risked having their citizenship revoked by doing what Begum did?
So age aside, bangladesh sideshow aside, whether she killed or conspired to kill folk or not aside...after having ignored the warnings and suffering the consequences why should UK be absorbing the costs of prosecution and likely lifetime incarceration?
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Because she was raised in the UK and is our problem. Also, as of yet she hasn't been tried or found guilty of a single crime. Are you really comfortable with the government being able to strip you of your citizenship, rights, and home without due process and giving you a fair trial (or any trial)?
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If I was a terrorist risk to my country I guess I might expect it, no?
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So you expect to be punished for something before a trial and guilty verdict?
You would be happy to be stripped of your citizenship and banned from your home because the government says you committed a crime but didn't want to give you a fair trial to prove it?
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 7 hours, 4 minutes ago
Notwithstanding the potential implications for Ms Begum, this presents an interesting legal argument as to whether Britain's actions are legal in stripping her citizenship.
Having briefly looked at the facts this is my understanding, but is in no way a legal definition. Ms Begum was permitted by Bangladeshi law to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship at any time up to her 21st birthday by virtue of one of her parents being born in Bangladesh at which point she would had gained Bangladeshi citizenship, but lost her British citizenship.
Britain's position appears to be that as they stripped Ms Begum of British citizenship prior to her 21st birthday she became a Bangladeshi citizen by default, thereby not becoming stateless, this position is rejected by Bangladesh and my guess is they would not permit her entry to the country, so is she actually stateless? dunno is my answer
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She was already a Bangladeshi citizen. She automatically gained citizenship through her parents.
She was a dual citizen which meant she could be stripped of her Britosh citizenship legally.
She’s married to a Dutch bloke, maybe the Netherlands will have her.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shamima-begum-isis-interview-manchester-bombing-terror-attack-syria-airstrikes-a8784741.html
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
She made comments saying she supported the Manchester Arena bombing and other atrocities here in the UK.
She was in her 20's when she made these comments so I'm not having any of this "She's only a kid" BS.
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She’s a pr¡ck. But like it or not, she’s our pr¡ck.
"She was already a Bangladeshi citizen. She automatically gained citizenship through her parents."
Don't think you "gain" Bangladesh citizenship? They can't give them away.
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messi the goat. (U11551)
posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
Honestly don't understand the defense of her at all.
You do wrong and run the risk of expulsion. She did wrong, got booted. Tough shat, hope she dies miserable.
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People aren’t defending her; they’re attacking the government and arguing in support of the universality of human rights.
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messi the goat. (U11551)
posted 9 hours, 8 minutes ago
Honestly don't understand the defense of her at all.
You do wrong and run the risk of expulsion. She did wrong, got booted. Tough shat, hope she dies miserable.
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Must be great to be simple and bitter.
A summary:
If you support human rights, you support what Begum did.
Thanks for coming along.
In summary
The government shouldn’t remove the citizenship of those terrorists with dual nationality, because.....because...... they might do it to homosexuals, people of colour and Jews next.
Thanks for coming along.
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 6 minutes ago
In summary
The government shouldn’t remove the citizenship of those terrorists with dual nationality, because.....because...... they might do it to homosexuals, people of colour and Jews next.
Thanks for coming along.
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Yes, the government shouldn't be able to punish people without trial and breach their human rights.
Good that you have finally understood. Only took you a few days to learn that simple message.
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 7 minutes ago
In summary
The government shouldn’t remove the citizenship of those terrorists with dual nationality, because.....because...... they might do it to homosexuals, people of colour and Jews next.
Thanks for coming along.
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Do you think we should do the same for people we suspect have committed raape but haven't been found guilty? Why should we keep raaapists and not terrorists? Or do you think he should start tonight due to the carling cup final on Sunday?
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 22 minutes ago
In summary
The government shouldn’t remove the citizenship of those terrorists with dual nationality, because.....because...... they might do it to homosexuals, people of colour and Jews next.
Thanks for coming along.
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Don't you get embarrassed by being an obnoxious weasel every single day?
Genuine question.
This one's for you Robbing, and hard to disagree with.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/the-guardian-view-on-shamima-begum-she-ought-to-have-her-day-in-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
This one's for you Robbing, and hard to disagree with.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/the-guardian-view-on-shamima-begum-she-ought-to-have-her-day-in-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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'In the meantime, it is hard to see why other countries, or non-state actors such as the Syrian Kurds, should have to detain British fighters or their families (around 60 British adults and children remain in detention in Syria). For Britain to offload Ms Begum, on grounds that this would not make her stateless because her heritage entitles her to apply for citizenship of Bangladesh (where she has never been), is an abuse of position and of history.'
Yep.
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
This one's for you Robbing, and hard to disagree with.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/the-guardian-view-on-shamima-begum-she-ought-to-have-her-day-in-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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'In the meantime, it is hard to see why other countries, or non-state actors such as the Syrian Kurds, should have to detain British fighters or their families (around 60 British adults and children remain in detention in Syria). For Britain to offload Ms Begum, on grounds that this would not make her stateless because her heritage entitles her to apply for citizenship of Bangladesh (where she has never been), is an abuse of position and of history.'
Yep.
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I posted it because they said the same as you, only better. So changed my mind.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
This one's for you Robbing, and hard to disagree with.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/the-guardian-view-on-shamima-begum-she-ought-to-have-her-day-in-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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'In the meantime, it is hard to see why other countries, or non-state actors such as the Syrian Kurds, should have to detain British fighters or their families (around 60 British adults and children remain in detention in Syria). For Britain to offload Ms Begum, on grounds that this would not make her stateless because her heritage entitles her to apply for citizenship of Bangladesh (where she has never been), is an abuse of position and of history.'
Yep.
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I posted it because they said the same as you, only better. So changed my mind.
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Although I still have a lack of empathy, the law and common sense say she should be brought back.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
Although I still have a lack of empathy, the law and common sense say she should be brought back.
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I don't have much empathy for her as an individual... If it weren't for her age when she went there, i'd have pretty much zero empathy. Every interview i have seen of her, she seems very cold and remorseless.
This is a bigger issue than just one person though and personal views of the individual need to be put to one side.
Lack of empathy or not stripping her of citizenship is simply a manipulative votes winner.
I cba to find the stats but there will be examples of British born terrorists being brought back here, tried in court and jailed (just as they should be).
It's only because the papers got hold of this that's it happening and when you read that the Canadian secret services (our allies) were at the bare minimum complicit in trafficking her, and she was trafficked, it becomes abundantly clear this is a complete sh!t show of a decision.
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posted on 23/2/23
Honestly don't understand the defense of her at all.
You do wrong and run the risk of expulsion. She did wrong, got booted. Tough shat, hope she dies miserable.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 38 minutes ago
I might be wrong but are folk not coming at this from the wrong place? Did the UK not warn UK citizens that they risked having their citizenship revoked by doing what Begum did?
So age aside, bangladesh sideshow aside, whether she killed or conspired to kill folk or not aside...after having ignored the warnings and suffering the consequences why should UK be absorbing the costs of prosecution and likely lifetime incarceration?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because she was raised in the UK and is our problem. Also, as of yet she hasn't been tried or found guilty of a single crime. Are you really comfortable with the government being able to strip you of your citizenship, rights, and home without due process and giving you a fair trial (or any trial)?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I was a terrorist risk to my country I guess I might expect it, no?
posted on 23/2/23
She made comments saying she supported the Manchester Arena bombing and other atrocities here in the UK.
She was in her 20's when she made these comments so I'm not having any of this "She's only a kid" BS.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messi the goat. (U11551)
posted 6 hours, 58 minutes ago
Honestly don't understand the defense of her at all.
You do wrong and run the risk of expulsion. She did wrong, got booted. Tough shat, hope she dies miserable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you?
Since when has ‘booting people out’ been a legitimate punishment in this country?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 hours, 56 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 38 minutes ago
I might be wrong but are folk not coming at this from the wrong place? Did the UK not warn UK citizens that they risked having their citizenship revoked by doing what Begum did?
So age aside, bangladesh sideshow aside, whether she killed or conspired to kill folk or not aside...after having ignored the warnings and suffering the consequences why should UK be absorbing the costs of prosecution and likely lifetime incarceration?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because she was raised in the UK and is our problem. Also, as of yet she hasn't been tried or found guilty of a single crime. Are you really comfortable with the government being able to strip you of your citizenship, rights, and home without due process and giving you a fair trial (or any trial)?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If I was a terrorist risk to my country I guess I might expect it, no?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So you expect to be punished for something before a trial and guilty verdict?
You would be happy to be stripped of your citizenship and banned from your home because the government says you committed a crime but didn't want to give you a fair trial to prove it?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by a foxes voice (U1133)
posted 7 hours, 4 minutes ago
Notwithstanding the potential implications for Ms Begum, this presents an interesting legal argument as to whether Britain's actions are legal in stripping her citizenship.
Having briefly looked at the facts this is my understanding, but is in no way a legal definition. Ms Begum was permitted by Bangladeshi law to apply for Bangladeshi citizenship at any time up to her 21st birthday by virtue of one of her parents being born in Bangladesh at which point she would had gained Bangladeshi citizenship, but lost her British citizenship.
Britain's position appears to be that as they stripped Ms Begum of British citizenship prior to her 21st birthday she became a Bangladeshi citizen by default, thereby not becoming stateless, this position is rejected by Bangladesh and my guess is they would not permit her entry to the country, so is she actually stateless? dunno is my answer
----------------------------------------------------------------------
She was already a Bangladeshi citizen. She automatically gained citizenship through her parents.
She was a dual citizen which meant she could be stripped of her Britosh citizenship legally.
posted on 23/2/23
She’s married to a Dutch bloke, maybe the Netherlands will have her.
posted on 23/2/23
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/shamima-begum-isis-interview-manchester-bombing-terror-attack-syria-airstrikes-a8784741.html
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
She made comments saying she supported the Manchester Arena bombing and other atrocities here in the UK.
She was in her 20's when she made these comments so I'm not having any of this "She's only a kid" BS.
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She’s a pr¡ck. But like it or not, she’s our pr¡ck.
posted on 23/2/23
"She was already a Bangladeshi citizen. She automatically gained citizenship through her parents."
Don't think you "gain" Bangladesh citizenship? They can't give them away.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messi the goat. (U11551)
posted 9 hours, 4 minutes ago
Honestly don't understand the defense of her at all.
You do wrong and run the risk of expulsion. She did wrong, got booted. Tough shat, hope she dies miserable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
People aren’t defending her; they’re attacking the government and arguing in support of the universality of human rights.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Cinciwolf---A Scottish world champion and Messi the goat. (U11551)
posted 9 hours, 8 minutes ago
Honestly don't understand the defense of her at all.
You do wrong and run the risk of expulsion. She did wrong, got booted. Tough shat, hope she dies miserable.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Must be great to be simple and bitter.
posted on 23/2/23
A summary:
If you support human rights, you support what Begum did.
Thanks for coming along.
posted on 23/2/23
In summary
The government shouldn’t remove the citizenship of those terrorists with dual nationality, because.....because...... they might do it to homosexuals, people of colour and Jews next.
Thanks for coming along.
posted on 23/2/23
Barry, youve been Rdd'd
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 6 minutes ago
In summary
The government shouldn’t remove the citizenship of those terrorists with dual nationality, because.....because...... they might do it to homosexuals, people of colour and Jews next.
Thanks for coming along.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, the government shouldn't be able to punish people without trial and breach their human rights.
Good that you have finally understood. Only took you a few days to learn that simple message.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 7 minutes ago
In summary
The government shouldn’t remove the citizenship of those terrorists with dual nationality, because.....because...... they might do it to homosexuals, people of colour and Jews next.
Thanks for coming along.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Do you think we should do the same for people we suspect have committed raape but haven't been found guilty? Why should we keep raaapists and not terrorists? Or do you think he should start tonight due to the carling cup final on Sunday?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 22 minutes ago
In summary
The government shouldn’t remove the citizenship of those terrorists with dual nationality, because.....because...... they might do it to homosexuals, people of colour and Jews next.
Thanks for coming along.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Don't you get embarrassed by being an obnoxious weasel every single day?
Genuine question.
posted on 23/2/23
This one's for you Robbing, and hard to disagree with.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/the-guardian-view-on-shamima-begum-she-ought-to-have-her-day-in-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
posted on 23/2/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
This one's for you Robbing, and hard to disagree with.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/the-guardian-view-on-shamima-begum-she-ought-to-have-her-day-in-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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'In the meantime, it is hard to see why other countries, or non-state actors such as the Syrian Kurds, should have to detain British fighters or their families (around 60 British adults and children remain in detention in Syria). For Britain to offload Ms Begum, on grounds that this would not make her stateless because her heritage entitles her to apply for citizenship of Bangladesh (where she has never been), is an abuse of position and of history.'
Yep.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
This one's for you Robbing, and hard to disagree with.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/the-guardian-view-on-shamima-begum-she-ought-to-have-her-day-in-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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'In the meantime, it is hard to see why other countries, or non-state actors such as the Syrian Kurds, should have to detain British fighters or their families (around 60 British adults and children remain in detention in Syria). For Britain to offload Ms Begum, on grounds that this would not make her stateless because her heritage entitles her to apply for citizenship of Bangladesh (where she has never been), is an abuse of position and of history.'
Yep.
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I posted it because they said the same as you, only better. So changed my mind.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 5 minutes ago
This one's for you Robbing, and hard to disagree with.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/feb/26/the-guardian-view-on-shamima-begum-she-ought-to-have-her-day-in-court?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other
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'In the meantime, it is hard to see why other countries, or non-state actors such as the Syrian Kurds, should have to detain British fighters or their families (around 60 British adults and children remain in detention in Syria). For Britain to offload Ms Begum, on grounds that this would not make her stateless because her heritage entitles her to apply for citizenship of Bangladesh (where she has never been), is an abuse of position and of history.'
Yep.
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I posted it because they said the same as you, only better. So changed my mind.
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Although I still have a lack of empathy, the law and common sense say she should be brought back.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
Although I still have a lack of empathy, the law and common sense say she should be brought back.
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I don't have much empathy for her as an individual... If it weren't for her age when she went there, i'd have pretty much zero empathy. Every interview i have seen of her, she seems very cold and remorseless.
This is a bigger issue than just one person though and personal views of the individual need to be put to one side.
posted on 23/2/23
399
posted on 23/2/23
Lack of empathy or not stripping her of citizenship is simply a manipulative votes winner.
I cba to find the stats but there will be examples of British born terrorists being brought back here, tried in court and jailed (just as they should be).
It's only because the papers got hold of this that's it happening and when you read that the Canadian secret services (our allies) were at the bare minimum complicit in trafficking her, and she was trafficked, it becomes abundantly clear this is a complete sh!t show of a decision.
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