comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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How many were deterred in these places within the same timeframe?
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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no that stats showsd the amount of crimes committed it doesnt show the number of crimes averted.
As I said jail and CCTV are deterrents ..... yet the numbers still exist, how can that be , are you saying that CCTV and jail are not deterrents?
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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How many were deterred in these places within the same timeframe?
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You tell me. You are the one claiming it is a deterrent. Show your evidence or admit there isn't any.
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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no that stats showsd the amount of crimes committed it doesnt show the number of crimes averted.
As I said jail and CCTV are deterrents ..... yet the numbers still exist, how can that be , are you saying that CCTV and jail are not deterrents?
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So there is no evidence that shows it is a deterrent, and plenty of evidence that shows places like texas don't have a lower crime rate than places without the penalty yet you are so averse to evidence that you won't have it.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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of course it is the question to be raised is how effective of a deterrent it is.
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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How many were deterred in these places within the same timeframe?
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You tell me. You are the one claiming it is a deterrent. Show your evidence or admit there isn't any.
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No, it's you claiming it isn't a deterrent. Back it up.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
https://blogs.law.ox.ac.uk/centres-institutes/centre-criminology/blog/2015/04/theres-no-evidence-death-penalty-acts-deterrent#:~:text=As%20far%20as%20some%20crimes,the%20deterrent%20effects%20of%20executions.
Shut up RDD
Some death penalty stats below for states with the DP and without.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/murder-rates/murder-rate-of-death-penalty-states-compared-to-non-death-penalty-states
'While recent studies on deterrence in the US are inconclusive as a whole, and many suffer from methodological problems, they do not produce credible evidence on deterrence as a behavioural mechanism.'
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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How many were deterred in these places within the same timeframe?
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You tell me. You are the one claiming it is a deterrent. Show your evidence or admit there isn't any.
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No, it's you claiming it isn't a deterrent. Back it up.
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So you agree that it you don't think it is a deterrent then. Sorted.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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They have something similar in a lot of places in America. They see a minority and prevent him from committing murder by shooting him before he has the chance.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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They have something similar in a lot of places in America. They see a minority and prevent him from committing murder by shooting him before he has the chance.
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The minority false report.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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They have something similar in a lot of places in America. They see a minority and prevent him from committing murder by shooting him before he has the chance.
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Very good
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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of course it is the question to be raised is how effective of a deterrent it is.
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Completely ineffective.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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The technology is already here according the WEF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QvtT_lgl_Q
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 54 seconds ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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30 years in the clink not enough?
I don't believe you for a second I'm afraid and I d9ubt anyone else does either.
When they begin the beguine
It brings back the sound of music so tender,
It brings back a night of tropical splendor,
It brings back a memory ever green.
I'm with you once more under the stars,
And down by the shore an orchestra's playing
And even the palms seem to be swaying
When they begin the beguine.
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 54 seconds ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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30 years in the clink not enough?
I don't believe you for a second I'm afraid and I d9ubt anyone else does either.
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were not talking about jail were talking about the death penalty ... I would be discourqaged far more from the death penalty than I would jail.
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
posted on 23/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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How many were deterred in these places within the same timeframe?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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no that stats showsd the amount of crimes committed it doesnt show the number of crimes averted.
As I said jail and CCTV are deterrents ..... yet the numbers still exist, how can that be , are you saying that CCTV and jail are not deterrents?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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How many were deterred in these places within the same timeframe?
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You tell me. You are the one claiming it is a deterrent. Show your evidence or admit there isn't any.
posted on 23/2/23
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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no that stats showsd the amount of crimes committed it doesnt show the number of crimes averted.
As I said jail and CCTV are deterrents ..... yet the numbers still exist, how can that be , are you saying that CCTV and jail are not deterrents?
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So there is no evidence that shows it is a deterrent, and plenty of evidence that shows places like texas don't have a lower crime rate than places without the penalty yet you are so averse to evidence that you won't have it.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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of course it is the question to be raised is how effective of a deterrent it is.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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How many were deterred in these places within the same timeframe?
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You tell me. You are the one claiming it is a deterrent. Show your evidence or admit there isn't any.
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No, it's you claiming it isn't a deterrent. Back it up.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
posted on 23/2/23
https://blogs.law.ox.ac.uk/centres-institutes/centre-criminology/blog/2015/04/theres-no-evidence-death-penalty-acts-deterrent#:~:text=As%20far%20as%20some%20crimes,the%20deterrent%20effects%20of%20executions.
Shut up RDD
posted on 23/2/23
Some death penalty stats below for states with the DP and without.
https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/facts-and-research/murder-rates/murder-rate-of-death-penalty-states-compared-to-non-death-penalty-states
posted on 23/2/23
'While recent studies on deterrence in the US are inconclusive as a whole, and many suffer from methodological problems, they do not produce credible evidence on deterrence as a behavioural mechanism.'
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How many were deterred in these places within the same timeframe?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You tell me. You are the one claiming it is a deterrent. Show your evidence or admit there isn't any.
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No, it's you claiming it isn't a deterrent. Back it up.
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So you agree that it you don't think it is a deterrent then. Sorted.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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They have something similar in a lot of places in America. They see a minority and prevent him from committing murder by shooting him before he has the chance.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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They have something similar in a lot of places in America. They see a minority and prevent him from committing murder by shooting him before he has the chance.
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The minority false report.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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They have something similar in a lot of places in America. They see a minority and prevent him from committing murder by shooting him before he has the chance.
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Very good
posted on 23/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 32 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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of course it is the question to be raised is how effective of a deterrent it is.
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Completely ineffective.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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posted on 23/2/23
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 28 seconds ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 23 seconds ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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It’s never been a deterrent.
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It has been. But that doesn’t mean it’s as effective as other means of reducing crime.
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The best way would be to get those precogs from minority report
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The technology is already here according the WEF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QvtT_lgl_Q
posted on 23/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 54 seconds ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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30 years in the clink not enough?
I don't believe you for a second I'm afraid and I d9ubt anyone else does either.
posted on 23/2/23
When they begin the beguine
It brings back the sound of music so tender,
It brings back a night of tropical splendor,
It brings back a memory ever green.
I'm with you once more under the stars,
And down by the shore an orchestra's playing
And even the palms seem to be swaying
When they begin the beguine.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 50 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 54 seconds ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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30 years in the clink not enough?
I don't believe you for a second I'm afraid and I d9ubt anyone else does either.
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were not talking about jail were talking about the death penalty ... I would be discourqaged far more from the death penalty than I would jail.
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