comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
You literally compared them.
If you think fear of repercussions, death being one, would enter into the thinking of these radicalised children going to a warzone then I really don’t know what to say.
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re -read the post I didnt say i didnt compare them I said its not about comparing
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
You literally compared them.
If you think fear of repercussions, death being one, would enter into the thinking of these radicalised children going to a warzone then I really don’t know what to say.
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again deter doesn not mean stop ..... besides it would only have to deter one in order to be a deterrent not the majority, not half, not them all.
like I said the argument should be whether its an effective deterrent or not.
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
If these people really feared death they wouldn’t have left Britain to join a facking war in the Middle East.
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I feared getting arrested from the cops everytime I filled my rucksack at lunch with my mates at school.
still did it.
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You shouldn't have filled it with Class A drugs then.
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im from Glasgow ... wtf else am I gonna fill it with
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Weapons or harvested organs.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
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cos you made a point about fear of repercussions being a reason for not committing a crime
I gave an example of me committing a crime even though I had a fear of the repercussion.
But they are literally prepared to go to their death. Fear of death is obviously not something that these people consider. It’s genuinely mental you are even suggesting it is.
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
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cos you made a point about fear of repercussions being a reason for not committing a crime
I gave an example of me committing a crime even though I had a fear of the repercussion.
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I made the point that fear of death isn’t going to deter someone who is literally prepared to go to their death. How do you not understand this?
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
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Nope I specifically challeged Hoodys point of the death penalty not being a deterrent.
That and that alone, you jumped in and joined it. You decided that I was arguing something else it seems.
I provided the quotes from Hoody saying its not a deterrent nothing to do with comparing or talking about which is more effective. My argument has never been to compare it with other punishments quite the opposite thats the argument I said Hoody should be having rather than the one he had of that he thinks the death penalty is not a detterent.
fell free to provide a single quote on this thread of him doing otherwise. I have already provided the actual quotes of him saying its not a deterrent.
Idiots use anecdotal evidence, because they are idiots.
I once knew a guy who only used anecdotal evidence and he was always wrong.
This shows that anecdotal evidence should never be relied upon.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
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cos you made a point about fear of repercussions being a reason for not committing a crime
I gave an example of me committing a crime even though I had a fear of the repercussion.
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I made the point that fear of death isn’t going to deter someone who is literally prepared to go to their death. How do you not understand this?
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you said fear of reprecussions , death being one of them actually
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
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cos you made a point about fear of repercussions being a reason for not committing a crime
I gave an example of me committing a crime even though I had a fear of the repercussion.
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I made the point that fear of death isn’t going to deter someone who is literally prepared to go to their death. How do you not understand this?
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you said fear of reprecussions , death being one of them actually
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Not in the first post you replied to when you made the terrible comparison with stealing lunch from a shop. Not that it makes any different to my point.
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
'While recent studies on deterrence in the US are inconclusive as a whole, and many suffer from methodological problems, they do not produce credible evidence on deterrence as a behavioural mechanism.'
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Yeah, it's hard to know how many don't commit these crimes. Doesn't mean they don't exist. We just can't know.
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
Idiots use anecdotal evidence, because they are idiots.
I once knew a guy who only used anecdotal evidence and he was always wrong.
This shows that anecdotal evidence should never be relied upon.
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comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
Idiots use anecdotal evidence, because they are idiots.
I once knew a guy who only used anecdotal evidence and he was always wrong.
This shows that anecdotal evidence should never be relied upon.
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
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Nope I specifically challeged Hoodys point of the death penalty not being a deterrent.
That and that alone, you jumped in and joined it. You decided that I was arguing something else it seems.
I provided the quotes from Hoody saying its not a deterrent nothing to do with comparing or talking about which is more effective. My argument has never been to compare it with other punishments quite the opposite thats the argument I said Hoody should be having rather than the one he had of that he thinks the death penalty is not a detterent.
fell free to provide a single quote on this thread of him doing otherwise. I have already provided the actual quotes of him saying its not a deterrent.
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Actually the discussion was whether it was a greater deterrent than the other options. RDD initially raised it as being a stronger deterrent, and I called him out.
So that was the frame of the entire discussion and the context behind it.
So yes, it was always about comparing it as a deterrent over other existing alternatives and the fact that you have claimed otherwise just proves you can't follow a discussion.
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
'While recent studies on deterrence in the US are inconclusive as a whole, and many suffer from methodological problems, they do not produce credible evidence on deterrence as a behavioural mechanism.'
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Yeah, it's hard to know how many don't commit these crimes. Doesn't mean they don't exist. We just can't know.
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Ah yeah the old "you can't prove god doesn't exist, so this is my main evidence that he does" argument
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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Do these deterrents currently (death penalty or loss of citizenship) exist though?
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
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Nope I specifically challeged Hoodys point of the death penalty not being a deterrent.
That and that alone, you jumped in and joined it. You decided that I was arguing something else it seems.
I provided the quotes from Hoody saying its not a deterrent nothing to do with comparing or talking about which is more effective. My argument has never been to compare it with other punishments quite the opposite thats the argument I said Hoody should be having rather than the one he had of that he thinks the death penalty is not a detterent.
fell free to provide a single quote on this thread of him doing otherwise. I have already provided the actual quotes of him saying its not a deterrent.
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Actually the discussion was whether it was a greater deterrent than the other options. RDD initially raised it as being a stronger deterrent, and I called him out.
So that was the frame of the entire discussion and the context behind it.
So yes, it was always about comparing it as a deterrent over other existing alternatives and the fact that you have claimed otherwise just proves you can't follow a discussion.
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i think I know who I replied to and what I replied to. that might be the argument other people are having but mine was specifically with Hoody for saying the death penalty is NOT a deterrent I have provided the quotes to back this up.
not my fault you didnt realise this and jumped on to the back of it to argue a different point.
Like I said I provided the specific quotes of his and there is no quotes that I can find that show him arguing the point of it being a more effective deterrent he clearly states is not a deterrent.
feel free to scroll up and read them, feel free to proivide me quotes of him saying otherwise.
ill wait ...
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posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
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posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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Actually it isn't that simple.
You need to take into account poverty, education, availability of weapons, chance of being detected, and more.
I'm against the death penalty, but you cannot prove that it has never deterred someone
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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Is there any where that does both do yo know?
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posted 5 seconds ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
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Nope I specifically challeged Hoodys point of the death penalty not being a deterrent.
That and that alone, you jumped in and joined it. You decided that I was arguing something else it seems.
I provided the quotes from Hoody saying its not a deterrent nothing to do with comparing or talking about which is more effective. My argument has never been to compare it with other punishments quite the opposite thats the argument I said Hoody should be having rather than the one he had of that he thinks the death penalty is not a detterent.
fell free to provide a single quote on this thread of him doing otherwise. I have already provided the actual quotes of him saying its not a deterrent.
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Actually the discussion was whether it was a greater deterrent than the other options. RDD initially raised it as being a stronger deterrent, and I called him out.
So that was the frame of the entire discussion and the context behind it.
So yes, it was always about comparing it as a deterrent over other existing alternatives and the fact that you have claimed otherwise just proves you can't follow a discussion.
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i think I know who I replied to and what I replied to. that might be the argument other people are having but mine was specifically with Hoody for saying the death penalty is NOT a deterrent I have provided the quotes to back this up.
not my fault you didnt realise this and jumped on to the back of it to argue a different point.
Like I said I provided the specific quotes of his and there is no quotes that I can find that show him arguing the point of it being a more effective deterrent he clearly states is not a deterrent.
feel free to scroll up and read them, feel free to proivide me quotes of him saying otherwise.
ill wait ...
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You clearly don't know anything.
Your first reply to Robbing regarding the death penalty was when he was responding to rdd who was responding to me. Therefore the conversation is a follow-on from my conversation which was that the death penalty offers no greater deterrence on crime than not having the penalty.
It's literally on page 19 of this thread so you could wait or you could actually learn to read and comprehend what is written
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
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posted 44 seconds ago
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posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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Actually it isn't that simple.
You need to take into account poverty, education, availability of weapons, chance of being detected, and more.
I'm against the death penalty, but you cannot prove that it has never deterred someone
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Im also against it , thats not to say its not a deterrent.
there seems to be two debates going on those who are debating its more (or less) a deterrent. and another debate of whether or not it is a deterrent at all.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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Is there any where that does both do yo know?
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Rehabilitates people who have been through the death penalty?
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 35 minutes ago
You literally compared them.
If you think fear of repercussions, death being one, would enter into the thinking of these radicalised children going to a warzone then I really don’t know what to say.
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Are they crazed killers, intent on terror, whatever the consequences or poor kids, tricked into going?
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posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 2 minutes ago
You literally compared them.
If you think fear of repercussions, death being one, would enter into the thinking of these radicalised children going to a warzone then I really don’t know what to say.
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re -read the post I didnt say i didnt compare them I said its not about comparing
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
You literally compared them.
If you think fear of repercussions, death being one, would enter into the thinking of these radicalised children going to a warzone then I really don’t know what to say.
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again deter doesn not mean stop ..... besides it would only have to deter one in order to be a deterrent not the majority, not half, not them all.
like I said the argument should be whether its an effective deterrent or not.
posted on 23/2/23
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 22 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
If these people really feared death they wouldn’t have left Britain to join a facking war in the Middle East.
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I feared getting arrested from the cops everytime I filled my rucksack at lunch with my mates at school.
still did it.
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You shouldn't have filled it with Class A drugs then.
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im from Glasgow ... wtf else am I gonna fill it with
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Weapons or harvested organs.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
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cos you made a point about fear of repercussions being a reason for not committing a crime
I gave an example of me committing a crime even though I had a fear of the repercussion.
posted on 23/2/23
But they are literally prepared to go to their death. Fear of death is obviously not something that these people consider. It’s genuinely mental you are even suggesting it is.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
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cos you made a point about fear of repercussions being a reason for not committing a crime
I gave an example of me committing a crime even though I had a fear of the repercussion.
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I made the point that fear of death isn’t going to deter someone who is literally prepared to go to their death. How do you not understand this?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
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Nope I specifically challeged Hoodys point of the death penalty not being a deterrent.
That and that alone, you jumped in and joined it. You decided that I was arguing something else it seems.
I provided the quotes from Hoody saying its not a deterrent nothing to do with comparing or talking about which is more effective. My argument has never been to compare it with other punishments quite the opposite thats the argument I said Hoody should be having rather than the one he had of that he thinks the death penalty is not a detterent.
fell free to provide a single quote on this thread of him doing otherwise. I have already provided the actual quotes of him saying its not a deterrent.
posted on 23/2/23
Idiots use anecdotal evidence, because they are idiots.
I once knew a guy who only used anecdotal evidence and he was always wrong.
This shows that anecdotal evidence should never be relied upon.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
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cos you made a point about fear of repercussions being a reason for not committing a crime
I gave an example of me committing a crime even though I had a fear of the repercussion.
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I made the point that fear of death isn’t going to deter someone who is literally prepared to go to their death. How do you not understand this?
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you said fear of reprecussions , death being one of them actually
posted on 23/2/23
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comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Then why compare them? It’s a false equivalence.
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cos you made a point about fear of repercussions being a reason for not committing a crime
I gave an example of me committing a crime even though I had a fear of the repercussion.
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I made the point that fear of death isn’t going to deter someone who is literally prepared to go to their death. How do you not understand this?
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you said fear of reprecussions , death being one of them actually
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Not in the first post you replied to when you made the terrible comparison with stealing lunch from a shop. Not that it makes any different to my point.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
'While recent studies on deterrence in the US are inconclusive as a whole, and many suffer from methodological problems, they do not produce credible evidence on deterrence as a behavioural mechanism.'
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Yeah, it's hard to know how many don't commit these crimes. Doesn't mean they don't exist. We just can't know.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 7 minutes ago
Idiots use anecdotal evidence, because they are idiots.
I once knew a guy who only used anecdotal evidence and he was always wrong.
This shows that anecdotal evidence should never be relied upon.
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posted on 23/2/23
comment by Lorent Tolaj (U1734)
posted 8 minutes ago
Idiots use anecdotal evidence, because they are idiots.
I once knew a guy who only used anecdotal evidence and he was always wrong.
This shows that anecdotal evidence should never be relied upon.
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posted on 23/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
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Nope I specifically challeged Hoodys point of the death penalty not being a deterrent.
That and that alone, you jumped in and joined it. You decided that I was arguing something else it seems.
I provided the quotes from Hoody saying its not a deterrent nothing to do with comparing or talking about which is more effective. My argument has never been to compare it with other punishments quite the opposite thats the argument I said Hoody should be having rather than the one he had of that he thinks the death penalty is not a detterent.
fell free to provide a single quote on this thread of him doing otherwise. I have already provided the actual quotes of him saying its not a deterrent.
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Actually the discussion was whether it was a greater deterrent than the other options. RDD initially raised it as being a stronger deterrent, and I called him out.
So that was the frame of the entire discussion and the context behind it.
So yes, it was always about comparing it as a deterrent over other existing alternatives and the fact that you have claimed otherwise just proves you can't follow a discussion.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Rdd II (U22942)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 13 minutes ago
'While recent studies on deterrence in the US are inconclusive as a whole, and many suffer from methodological problems, they do not produce credible evidence on deterrence as a behavioural mechanism.'
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Yeah, it's hard to know how many don't commit these crimes. Doesn't mean they don't exist. We just can't know.
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Ah yeah the old "you can't prove god doesn't exist, so this is my main evidence that he does" argument
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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Do these deterrents currently (death penalty or loss of citizenship) exist though?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
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Nope I specifically challeged Hoodys point of the death penalty not being a deterrent.
That and that alone, you jumped in and joined it. You decided that I was arguing something else it seems.
I provided the quotes from Hoody saying its not a deterrent nothing to do with comparing or talking about which is more effective. My argument has never been to compare it with other punishments quite the opposite thats the argument I said Hoody should be having rather than the one he had of that he thinks the death penalty is not a detterent.
fell free to provide a single quote on this thread of him doing otherwise. I have already provided the actual quotes of him saying its not a deterrent.
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Actually the discussion was whether it was a greater deterrent than the other options. RDD initially raised it as being a stronger deterrent, and I called him out.
So that was the frame of the entire discussion and the context behind it.
So yes, it was always about comparing it as a deterrent over other existing alternatives and the fact that you have claimed otherwise just proves you can't follow a discussion.
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i think I know who I replied to and what I replied to. that might be the argument other people are having but mine was specifically with Hoody for saying the death penalty is NOT a deterrent I have provided the quotes to back this up.
not my fault you didnt realise this and jumped on to the back of it to argue a different point.
Like I said I provided the specific quotes of his and there is no quotes that I can find that show him arguing the point of it being a more effective deterrent he clearly states is not a deterrent.
feel free to scroll up and read them, feel free to proivide me quotes of him saying otherwise.
ill wait ...
posted on 23/2/23
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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Actually it isn't that simple.
You need to take into account poverty, education, availability of weapons, chance of being detected, and more.
I'm against the death penalty, but you cannot prove that it has never deterred someone
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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Is there any where that does both do yo know?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 52 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 21 minutes ago
If I had the chance of walking up to a serial killer and child rapist and pulling the trigger I would do so without breaking a sweat.
If I was told that if I did so I would face the death penalty I wouldnt, therefore it 100% is a deterrent. That may not be the case for anyone else but the fact that it would deter me means that it 100% is one but it wouldnt reflect how effective it is.
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Ok, so you have revenge fantasies.
I just don’t think most people who join an actual death cult care about deterrents.
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My argument with people on here is them saying the death penalty is not a deterrent, its never been that some will and most wont.
its against Hoody saying its not a deterrent repeatedly
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All you are proving here is that you aren't actually capable of understanding the conversation.
Discussing whether the death penalty is a deterrent means comparing against the existing or alternative punishments and seeing if it lowers the crime rate. All the evidence suggests that it doesn't.
You've had an absolute nightmare today.
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Nope I specifically challeged Hoodys point of the death penalty not being a deterrent.
That and that alone, you jumped in and joined it. You decided that I was arguing something else it seems.
I provided the quotes from Hoody saying its not a deterrent nothing to do with comparing or talking about which is more effective. My argument has never been to compare it with other punishments quite the opposite thats the argument I said Hoody should be having rather than the one he had of that he thinks the death penalty is not a detterent.
fell free to provide a single quote on this thread of him doing otherwise. I have already provided the actual quotes of him saying its not a deterrent.
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Actually the discussion was whether it was a greater deterrent than the other options. RDD initially raised it as being a stronger deterrent, and I called him out.
So that was the frame of the entire discussion and the context behind it.
So yes, it was always about comparing it as a deterrent over other existing alternatives and the fact that you have claimed otherwise just proves you can't follow a discussion.
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i think I know who I replied to and what I replied to. that might be the argument other people are having but mine was specifically with Hoody for saying the death penalty is NOT a deterrent I have provided the quotes to back this up.
not my fault you didnt realise this and jumped on to the back of it to argue a different point.
Like I said I provided the specific quotes of his and there is no quotes that I can find that show him arguing the point of it being a more effective deterrent he clearly states is not a deterrent.
feel free to scroll up and read them, feel free to proivide me quotes of him saying otherwise.
ill wait ...
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You clearly don't know anything.
Your first reply to Robbing regarding the death penalty was when he was responding to rdd who was responding to me. Therefore the conversation is a follow-on from my conversation which was that the death penalty offers no greater deterrence on crime than not having the penalty.
It's literally on page 19 of this thread so you could wait or you could actually learn to read and comprehend what is written
posted on 23/2/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 35 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 44 seconds ago
comment by welshpoolfan (U7693)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 48 seconds ago
Because they already have the death penalty you thick cuuuuuuuunt
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"cuuuuuunt" oooh back top being the hard man again .
deterrent doesnt mean it wouldnt exist!
As he said how do you calculate the amount who didnt decide to commit the crime due to the possible back lash
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Are you really that thick?
If what you said was true and the death penalty deterred people from committing crimes, then somewhere with the penalty would have a lower crime rate than somewhere without the penalty.
As an example - texas has the death penalty and New York doesn't. Yet according to USA today, in 2020 Bew York had a lower violent crime rate than texas and a lower number of murders.
If the death penalty was truly a deterrent then you woild expect it to have deterred some of those people.
.
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it can act as a deterrent. how does comparing one different place to the another different place give consistent data on the same thing?
Jail is a deterrent to our crimes here, crime still exists does that mean Jail isnt a deterrent and it doesnt reduce crime and therefore we should do away with it ?
like has been said how do you prove to me that someone didnt do a crime for whatever reason ?
if he didnt do the crime there is nothing to report. So you can post any data about certain crimes happening but it doesnt show the amount of people how didnt commit the crime cos of the punishments.
Im not sayiny im pro death penlty im saying how do you prove that it isnt a deterrent. How can say it doesnt reduce the numbers?
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Because your argument is the death penalty deters crime. So you would expect that places with the death penalty would average fewer crimes. They don't.
It is that simple
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Actually it isn't that simple.
You need to take into account poverty, education, availability of weapons, chance of being detected, and more.
I'm against the death penalty, but you cannot prove that it has never deterred someone
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Im also against it , thats not to say its not a deterrent.
there seems to be two debates going on those who are debating its more (or less) a deterrent. and another debate of whether or not it is a deterrent at all.
posted on 23/2/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 seconds ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
It doesn’t make sense to talk about the death penalty in isolation as a deterrent anyway. It makes more sense to talk about societies that take preventive and rehabilitative measures, then compare it with ones that use punitive punishments as a deterrent. The former leads to better outcomes than the latter.
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Is there any where that does both do yo know?
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Rehabilitates people who have been through the death penalty?
posted on 23/2/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 35 minutes ago
You literally compared them.
If you think fear of repercussions, death being one, would enter into the thinking of these radicalised children going to a warzone then I really don’t know what to say.
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Are they crazed killers, intent on terror, whatever the consequences or poor kids, tricked into going?
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