comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't understand how Anthony "Altrincham fan" Taylor even gets considered for fixtures involving either Manchester club. Both sets of fans absolutely detest him, and I can't believe that a referee who is from Greater Manchester won't at least have some form of unconscious bias. Needs knocking on the head.
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Do you think players born in certain cities have some form of bias that affects their ability to do their job?
These are professional referees.
I find it absurd that we wouldn’t give a referee a game because he’s born in the same city as one of the teams.
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I think you're giving refs too much credit if I'm honest. They're professional in that they do it full time, but it's not like they are under oath or immune from corruption/match fixing as has been seen before.
At the end of the day they're humans who grew up with the same passion for the game that we all did, and I'm sure everyone has teams they don't like for whatever reason, with location having a lot to do with it in many cases. Whilst that's not to say that Mr Taylor would definitely succumb to some kind of bias either way, there are enough top level referees to ensure that any element of doubt in that area needn't ever arise.
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When have we seen it before?
I don’t think it’s giving them too much credit… there’s no real basis for suggesting a referee is biased because of where he’s born.
In terms of the favouritism, given the national support for big clubs, I’m not even sure how you’d start to police that.
But surely if Taylor is from Manchester, then I'm reliably informed there is zero chance of his supporting United?
comment by Winston (U16525)
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comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't understand how Anthony "Altrincham fan" Taylor even gets considered for fixtures involving either Manchester club. Both sets of fans absolutely detest him, and I can't believe that a referee who is from Greater Manchester won't at least have some form of unconscious bias. Needs knocking on the head.
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Do you think players born in certain cities have some form of bias that affects their ability to do their job?
These are professional referees.
I find it absurd that we wouldn’t give a referee a game because he’s born in the same city as one of the teams.
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I think you're giving refs too much credit if I'm honest. They're professional in that they do it full time, but it's not like they are under oath or immune from corruption/match fixing as has been seen before.
At the end of the day they're humans who grew up with the same passion for the game that we all did, and I'm sure everyone has teams they don't like for whatever reason, with location having a lot to do with it in many cases. Whilst that's not to say that Mr Taylor would definitely succumb to some kind of bias either way, there are enough top level referees to ensure that any element of doubt in that area needn't ever arise.
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When have we seen it before?
I don’t think it’s giving them too much credit… there’s no real basis for suggesting a referee is biased because of where he’s born.
In terms of the favouritism, given the national support for big clubs, I’m not even sure how you’d start to police that.
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I agree with the last part in essence, as you simply could never police it with any kind of certainty for the exact reason you gave.
In Taylor's case, I would imagine growing up in and supporting Altrincham he would have spent most of his life having the pee taken out of him for it by plenty of fans of the two biggest clubs in the area. That's gonna grate surely? Now maybe he's above all that which would be great. But maybe he isn't? What I'm saying is why even leave it to doubt when it's easy enough to get someone with no links to the region. Just common sense in my opinion.
When have we seen it before? Really? Calciopoli....the Budesliga....
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
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comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't understand how Anthony "Altrincham fan" Taylor even gets considered for fixtures involving either Manchester club. Both sets of fans absolutely detest him, and I can't believe that a referee who is from Greater Manchester won't at least have some form of unconscious bias. Needs knocking on the head.
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Do you think players born in certain cities have some form of bias that affects their ability to do their job?
These are professional referees.
I find it absurd that we wouldn’t give a referee a game because he’s born in the same city as one of the teams.
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I think you're giving refs too much credit if I'm honest. They're professional in that they do it full time, but it's not like they are under oath or immune from corruption/match fixing as has been seen before.
At the end of the day they're humans who grew up with the same passion for the game that we all did, and I'm sure everyone has teams they don't like for whatever reason, with location having a lot to do with it in many cases. Whilst that's not to say that Mr Taylor would definitely succumb to some kind of bias either way, there are enough top level referees to ensure that any element of doubt in that area needn't ever arise.
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When have we seen it before?
I don’t think it’s giving them too much credit… there’s no real basis for suggesting a referee is biased because of where he’s born.
In terms of the favouritism, given the national support for big clubs, I’m not even sure how you’d start to police that.
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I agree with the last part in essence, as you simply could never police it with any kind of certainty for the exact reason you gave.
In Taylor's case, I would imagine growing up in and supporting Altrincham he would have spent most of his life having the pee taken out of him for it by plenty of fans of the two biggest clubs in the area. That's gonna grate surely? Now maybe he's above all that which would be great. But maybe he isn't? What I'm saying is why even leave it to doubt when it's easy enough to get someone with no links to the region. Just common sense in my opinion.
When have we seen it before? Really? Calciopoli....the Budesliga....
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But in England…?
I just think it’s far fetched to say the least. You’re not removing doubt, because there’s all manner of reasons why anyone in the UK would favour one team over another.
It’s a professional job where they’re assessed within an inch of their life. The idea you wouldn’t spot favouritism is bizarre imo.
Surprised they don't let English refs ref English clubs in the CL or England in the WC.
comment by Winston (U16525)
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comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't understand how Anthony "Altrincham fan" Taylor even gets considered for fixtures involving either Manchester club. Both sets of fans absolutely detest him, and I can't believe that a referee who is from Greater Manchester won't at least have some form of unconscious bias. Needs knocking on the head.
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Do you think players born in certain cities have some form of bias that affects their ability to do their job?
These are professional referees.
I find it absurd that we wouldn’t give a referee a game because he’s born in the same city as one of the teams.
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I think you're giving refs too much credit if I'm honest. They're professional in that they do it full time, but it's not like they are under oath or immune from corruption/match fixing as has been seen before.
At the end of the day they're humans who grew up with the same passion for the game that we all did, and I'm sure everyone has teams they don't like for whatever reason, with location having a lot to do with it in many cases. Whilst that's not to say that Mr Taylor would definitely succumb to some kind of bias either way, there are enough top level referees to ensure that any element of doubt in that area needn't ever arise.
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When have we seen it before?
I don’t think it’s giving them too much credit… there’s no real basis for suggesting a referee is biased because of where he’s born.
In terms of the favouritism, given the national support for big clubs, I’m not even sure how you’d start to police that.
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I agree with the last part in essence, as you simply could never police it with any kind of certainty for the exact reason you gave.
In Taylor's case, I would imagine growing up in and supporting Altrincham he would have spent most of his life having the pee taken out of him for it by plenty of fans of the two biggest clubs in the area. That's gonna grate surely? Now maybe he's above all that which would be great. But maybe he isn't? What I'm saying is why even leave it to doubt when it's easy enough to get someone with no links to the region. Just common sense in my opinion.
When have we seen it before? Really? Calciopoli....the Budesliga....
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But in England…?
I just think it’s far fetched to say the least. You’re not removing doubt, because there’s all manner of reasons why anyone in the UK would favour one team over another.
It’s a professional job where they’re assessed within an inch of their life. The idea you wouldn’t spot favouritism is bizarre imo.
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Why does it need to have happened in England to prove my point that "professional" referees have been found guilty of corruption before?
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Surprised they don't let English refs ref English clubs in the CL or England in the WC.
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I know, right? After all they are professionals, and being from England, 100% immune to corruption.
It's weird that we're talking about bias and corruption when the "Manchester" ref appears to have given the big decisions against United
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Surprised they don't let English refs ref English clubs in the CL or England in the WC.
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I know, right? After all they are professionals, and being from England, 100% immune to corruption.
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If you’re going to be facetious then there’s little point in discussing it.
If you can’t understand the difference between nationality and city of residence then that’s bizarre.
comment by T-SaliBAG (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anybody have a replay of the handball?
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Not for me. He actually takes his hand away from it's natural position in an attempt to stop the ball hitting his arm which was holding his body up.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
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It’s not conjecture at all, it is different.
You don’t need the specifics - we’re talking about different organisations.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you can’t understand the difference between nationality and city of residence then that’s bizarre.
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To be fair, if you're arguing refs are professionals then it really shouldn't make any difference. Unless there's a chance that professionalism could be tested?
I find the refs are good in the PL
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you can’t understand the difference between nationality and city of residence then that’s bizarre.
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To be fair, if you're arguing refs are professionals then it really shouldn't make any difference. Unless there's a chance that professionalism could be tested?
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Well yes, I wouldn’t have any issue with it.
But they’re completely different, so it’s a stupid comparison that has no place in this debate.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
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It’s not conjecture at all, it is different.
You don’t need the specifics - we’re talking about different organisations.
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Okay. So explain to me how being an English ref would mean that someone is less likely to succumb to corruption than say, an Italian, German or Spanish referee. I mean, if our politicians are anything to go by, then German citizens should probably be cacking themselves right about now.
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
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It’s not conjecture at all, it is different.
You don’t need the specifics - we’re talking about different organisations.
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Okay. So explain to me how being an English ref would mean that someone is less likely to succumb to corruption than say, an Italian, German or Spanish referee. I mean, if our politicians are anything to go by, then German citizens should probably be cacking themselves right about now.
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Maybe you can explain to me why you’re so convinced this is a problem that needs rectifying, despite no history of corruption amongst referees in this country and absolutely no evidence of an issue with referees from the same city as the club they’re reffing?
I’m basing my opinion on what actually happens, rather than what sounds logical in my head.
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
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It’s not conjecture at all, it is different.
You don’t need the specifics - we’re talking about different organisations.
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Okay. So explain to me how being an English ref would mean that someone is less likely to succumb to corruption than say, an Italian, German or Spanish referee. I mean, if our politicians are anything to go by, then German citizens should probably be cacking themselves right about now.
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Maybe you can explain to me why you’re so convinced this is a problem that needs rectifying, despite no history of corruption amongst referees in this country and absolutely no evidence of an issue with referees from the same city as the club they’re reffing?
I’m basing my opinion on what actually happens, rather than what sounds logical in my head.
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I've never said it was. I merely raised the point that just because somebody is a professional, that doesn't make them immune to being unprofessional, stating incidents which backed this up.
I'm not saying it is a problem either, just offering my opinion that, to me at least, there are better alternatives than having referees who have geographical links to clubs.
You don't agree, and that's fine, Winston. I always enjoy debating with you regardless. Peace out
Fair enough champers.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I do think you’re solving a problem that doesn’t exist.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I find the refs are good in the PL
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What have you been watching?
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I find the refs are good in the PL
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What have you been watching?
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United matches. Fans only moan when they lose. Show me the articles saying 'thanks to the ref today for our 3 points, that were totally undeserved'.
The moans are all from one side, which tells me something
Match threads are ridiculous. Moan, moan
I’d have sent Casemiro and Walker-Peters off, and been pretty confident in doing so in both cases.
Just can’t jump into a challenge with studs up and expect to stay on the pitch. You can’t perform scissor tackles at high velocity then rotating your legs and expect to stay on the pitch.
Both were stupid and dangerous challenges, regardless of the outcomes, and both players should have been sent off.
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posted on 12/3/23
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't understand how Anthony "Altrincham fan" Taylor even gets considered for fixtures involving either Manchester club. Both sets of fans absolutely detest him, and I can't believe that a referee who is from Greater Manchester won't at least have some form of unconscious bias. Needs knocking on the head.
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Do you think players born in certain cities have some form of bias that affects their ability to do their job?
These are professional referees.
I find it absurd that we wouldn’t give a referee a game because he’s born in the same city as one of the teams.
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I think you're giving refs too much credit if I'm honest. They're professional in that they do it full time, but it's not like they are under oath or immune from corruption/match fixing as has been seen before.
At the end of the day they're humans who grew up with the same passion for the game that we all did, and I'm sure everyone has teams they don't like for whatever reason, with location having a lot to do with it in many cases. Whilst that's not to say that Mr Taylor would definitely succumb to some kind of bias either way, there are enough top level referees to ensure that any element of doubt in that area needn't ever arise.
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When have we seen it before?
I don’t think it’s giving them too much credit… there’s no real basis for suggesting a referee is biased because of where he’s born.
In terms of the favouritism, given the national support for big clubs, I’m not even sure how you’d start to police that.
posted on 12/3/23
But surely if Taylor is from Manchester, then I'm reliably informed there is zero chance of his supporting United?
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't understand how Anthony "Altrincham fan" Taylor even gets considered for fixtures involving either Manchester club. Both sets of fans absolutely detest him, and I can't believe that a referee who is from Greater Manchester won't at least have some form of unconscious bias. Needs knocking on the head.
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Do you think players born in certain cities have some form of bias that affects their ability to do their job?
These are professional referees.
I find it absurd that we wouldn’t give a referee a game because he’s born in the same city as one of the teams.
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I think you're giving refs too much credit if I'm honest. They're professional in that they do it full time, but it's not like they are under oath or immune from corruption/match fixing as has been seen before.
At the end of the day they're humans who grew up with the same passion for the game that we all did, and I'm sure everyone has teams they don't like for whatever reason, with location having a lot to do with it in many cases. Whilst that's not to say that Mr Taylor would definitely succumb to some kind of bias either way, there are enough top level referees to ensure that any element of doubt in that area needn't ever arise.
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When have we seen it before?
I don’t think it’s giving them too much credit… there’s no real basis for suggesting a referee is biased because of where he’s born.
In terms of the favouritism, given the national support for big clubs, I’m not even sure how you’d start to police that.
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I agree with the last part in essence, as you simply could never police it with any kind of certainty for the exact reason you gave.
In Taylor's case, I would imagine growing up in and supporting Altrincham he would have spent most of his life having the pee taken out of him for it by plenty of fans of the two biggest clubs in the area. That's gonna grate surely? Now maybe he's above all that which would be great. But maybe he isn't? What I'm saying is why even leave it to doubt when it's easy enough to get someone with no links to the region. Just common sense in my opinion.
When have we seen it before? Really? Calciopoli....the Budesliga....
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't understand how Anthony "Altrincham fan" Taylor even gets considered for fixtures involving either Manchester club. Both sets of fans absolutely detest him, and I can't believe that a referee who is from Greater Manchester won't at least have some form of unconscious bias. Needs knocking on the head.
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Do you think players born in certain cities have some form of bias that affects their ability to do their job?
These are professional referees.
I find it absurd that we wouldn’t give a referee a game because he’s born in the same city as one of the teams.
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I think you're giving refs too much credit if I'm honest. They're professional in that they do it full time, but it's not like they are under oath or immune from corruption/match fixing as has been seen before.
At the end of the day they're humans who grew up with the same passion for the game that we all did, and I'm sure everyone has teams they don't like for whatever reason, with location having a lot to do with it in many cases. Whilst that's not to say that Mr Taylor would definitely succumb to some kind of bias either way, there are enough top level referees to ensure that any element of doubt in that area needn't ever arise.
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When have we seen it before?
I don’t think it’s giving them too much credit… there’s no real basis for suggesting a referee is biased because of where he’s born.
In terms of the favouritism, given the national support for big clubs, I’m not even sure how you’d start to police that.
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I agree with the last part in essence, as you simply could never police it with any kind of certainty for the exact reason you gave.
In Taylor's case, I would imagine growing up in and supporting Altrincham he would have spent most of his life having the pee taken out of him for it by plenty of fans of the two biggest clubs in the area. That's gonna grate surely? Now maybe he's above all that which would be great. But maybe he isn't? What I'm saying is why even leave it to doubt when it's easy enough to get someone with no links to the region. Just common sense in my opinion.
When have we seen it before? Really? Calciopoli....the Budesliga....
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But in England…?
I just think it’s far fetched to say the least. You’re not removing doubt, because there’s all manner of reasons why anyone in the UK would favour one team over another.
It’s a professional job where they’re assessed within an inch of their life. The idea you wouldn’t spot favouritism is bizarre imo.
posted on 12/3/23
Surprised they don't let English refs ref English clubs in the CL or England in the WC.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 46 seconds ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 16 minutes ago
Don't understand how Anthony "Altrincham fan" Taylor even gets considered for fixtures involving either Manchester club. Both sets of fans absolutely detest him, and I can't believe that a referee who is from Greater Manchester won't at least have some form of unconscious bias. Needs knocking on the head.
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Do you think players born in certain cities have some form of bias that affects their ability to do their job?
These are professional referees.
I find it absurd that we wouldn’t give a referee a game because he’s born in the same city as one of the teams.
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I think you're giving refs too much credit if I'm honest. They're professional in that they do it full time, but it's not like they are under oath or immune from corruption/match fixing as has been seen before.
At the end of the day they're humans who grew up with the same passion for the game that we all did, and I'm sure everyone has teams they don't like for whatever reason, with location having a lot to do with it in many cases. Whilst that's not to say that Mr Taylor would definitely succumb to some kind of bias either way, there are enough top level referees to ensure that any element of doubt in that area needn't ever arise.
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When have we seen it before?
I don’t think it’s giving them too much credit… there’s no real basis for suggesting a referee is biased because of where he’s born.
In terms of the favouritism, given the national support for big clubs, I’m not even sure how you’d start to police that.
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I agree with the last part in essence, as you simply could never police it with any kind of certainty for the exact reason you gave.
In Taylor's case, I would imagine growing up in and supporting Altrincham he would have spent most of his life having the pee taken out of him for it by plenty of fans of the two biggest clubs in the area. That's gonna grate surely? Now maybe he's above all that which would be great. But maybe he isn't? What I'm saying is why even leave it to doubt when it's easy enough to get someone with no links to the region. Just common sense in my opinion.
When have we seen it before? Really? Calciopoli....the Budesliga....
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But in England…?
I just think it’s far fetched to say the least. You’re not removing doubt, because there’s all manner of reasons why anyone in the UK would favour one team over another.
It’s a professional job where they’re assessed within an inch of their life. The idea you wouldn’t spot favouritism is bizarre imo.
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Why does it need to have happened in England to prove my point that "professional" referees have been found guilty of corruption before?
posted on 12/3/23
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Surprised they don't let English refs ref English clubs in the CL or England in the WC.
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I know, right? After all they are professionals, and being from England, 100% immune to corruption.
posted on 12/3/23
It's weird that we're talking about bias and corruption when the "Manchester" ref appears to have given the big decisions against United
posted on 12/3/23
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 43 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 1 minute ago
Surprised they don't let English refs ref English clubs in the CL or England in the WC.
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I know, right? After all they are professionals, and being from England, 100% immune to corruption.
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If you’re going to be facetious then there’s little point in discussing it.
posted on 12/3/23
If you can’t understand the difference between nationality and city of residence then that’s bizarre.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by T-SaliBAG (U11806)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
Anybody have a replay of the handball?
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Not for me. He actually takes his hand away from it's natural position in an attempt to stop the ball hitting his arm which was holding his body up.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
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It’s not conjecture at all, it is different.
You don’t need the specifics - we’re talking about different organisations.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you can’t understand the difference between nationality and city of residence then that’s bizarre.
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To be fair, if you're arguing refs are professionals then it really shouldn't make any difference. Unless there's a chance that professionalism could be tested?
posted on 12/3/23
I find the refs are good in the PL
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
If you can’t understand the difference between nationality and city of residence then that’s bizarre.
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To be fair, if you're arguing refs are professionals then it really shouldn't make any difference. Unless there's a chance that professionalism could be tested?
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Well yes, I wouldn’t have any issue with it.
But they’re completely different, so it’s a stupid comparison that has no place in this debate.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
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It’s not conjecture at all, it is different.
You don’t need the specifics - we’re talking about different organisations.
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Okay. So explain to me how being an English ref would mean that someone is less likely to succumb to corruption than say, an Italian, German or Spanish referee. I mean, if our politicians are anything to go by, then German citizens should probably be cacking themselves right about now.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
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It’s not conjecture at all, it is different.
You don’t need the specifics - we’re talking about different organisations.
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Okay. So explain to me how being an English ref would mean that someone is less likely to succumb to corruption than say, an Italian, German or Spanish referee. I mean, if our politicians are anything to go by, then German citizens should probably be cacking themselves right about now.
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Maybe you can explain to me why you’re so convinced this is a problem that needs rectifying, despite no history of corruption amongst referees in this country and absolutely no evidence of an issue with referees from the same city as the club they’re reffing?
I’m basing my opinion on what actually happens, rather than what sounds logical in my head.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Champers - Pow! Right in the kisser (U6859)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 44 seconds ago
That’s not what I was asking you to prove, Champers.
It’s different because I would say the set up of English football is very different, both in how it is run and how it is financed.
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That's just conjecture though, as you've no idea of the difference in how these things are organised.or assessed per each league. I don't mind you batting away my point, but you can't just say something is "very different" when the fact is, neither of us has any idea about that.
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It’s not conjecture at all, it is different.
You don’t need the specifics - we’re talking about different organisations.
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Okay. So explain to me how being an English ref would mean that someone is less likely to succumb to corruption than say, an Italian, German or Spanish referee. I mean, if our politicians are anything to go by, then German citizens should probably be cacking themselves right about now.
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Maybe you can explain to me why you’re so convinced this is a problem that needs rectifying, despite no history of corruption amongst referees in this country and absolutely no evidence of an issue with referees from the same city as the club they’re reffing?
I’m basing my opinion on what actually happens, rather than what sounds logical in my head.
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I've never said it was. I merely raised the point that just because somebody is a professional, that doesn't make them immune to being unprofessional, stating incidents which backed this up.
I'm not saying it is a problem either, just offering my opinion that, to me at least, there are better alternatives than having referees who have geographical links to clubs.
You don't agree, and that's fine, Winston. I always enjoy debating with you regardless. Peace out
posted on 12/3/23
Fair enough champers.
I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I do think you’re solving a problem that doesn’t exist.
posted on 12/3/23
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I find the refs are good in the PL
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What have you been watching?
posted on 12/3/23
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 34 minutes ago
I find the refs are good in the PL
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What have you been watching?
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United matches. Fans only moan when they lose. Show me the articles saying 'thanks to the ref today for our 3 points, that were totally undeserved'.
The moans are all from one side, which tells me something
posted on 12/3/23
Match threads are ridiculous. Moan, moan
posted on 12/3/23
I’d have sent Casemiro and Walker-Peters off, and been pretty confident in doing so in both cases.
Just can’t jump into a challenge with studs up and expect to stay on the pitch. You can’t perform scissor tackles at high velocity then rotating your legs and expect to stay on the pitch.
Both were stupid and dangerous challenges, regardless of the outcomes, and both players should have been sent off.
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