I'll second that Light.
Just couldn't warm to our previous incumbent but already pleased with Javi Gracia.
Think we’ll stay up fairly easily in the end.
I’d still get a new manager in the summer
I'll third it.
LIW, why do you think that?
For example, I always thought Marsch's substitutions were poor. Yesterday, our subs won the game. Rasmus and Rodrigo scored and Struijk and Summerville helped to keep it tighter on Traore. Gracia has done pretty well so far in this permacrisis situation, no?
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
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How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
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How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
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Whats Bielsa to do with Garcia getting job long term 🤷🏻♂️
Bielsa, ended up perfect fit and the best manager we could have got.
Dont sell ourselves short, we stay up, there be queing round the corner to manage us, and better than garcia
I like him. Liked him at Watford
But there is quality and potential in the squad
Do we want another season where we are in amongst a relegation zone?
We're a club who've had many tough times but the pressure and potential associated with us is higher than some of the other clubs in the relegation zone
We need to aim high and for the right manager. I'm not saying Tuchel or someone whose probably off to a CL side, but why not aim high.
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
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How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
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Whats Bielsa to do with Garcia getting job long term 🤷🏻♂️
Bielsa, ended up perfect fit and the best manager we could have got.
Dont sell ourselves short, we stay up, there be queing round the corner to manage us, and better than garcia
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What it's got to to with Bielsa is that Gracia as you correctly noted was not at his previous clubs for long. Bielsa was not at his previous clubs for very long either.
If your not going to appoint a manager because of a quick exit from previous clubs then on that basis Bielsa would not have got the Leeds job.
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
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How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
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Whats Bielsa to do with Garcia getting job long term 🤷🏻♂️
Bielsa, ended up perfect fit and the best manager we could have got.
Dont sell ourselves short, we stay up, there be queing round the corner to manage us, and better than garcia
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I, like Wakey, get the impression this was never meant to be a long term appointment. It's a McCarthy/Warnock/Big Sam type one to try to turn the fortunes around whilst the board identifies a way forward. Nobody feels he has it in him to develop the team in years to come. A decent coach, capable of making the changes necessary in the short term but nothing more than that.
He will not have his contract renewed beyond the summer of that I am sure.
Wonder how many people, like myself and Wakey, are so uninspired by the appointment they cannot be bothered to learn the gaffer's name.
Yep, agree with much of the above. Despite really trying hard, I just couldn’t get past the Jesse BS. Also, harsh as it is, we should at least try for a more experienced coach in the summer. Somebody who’s won something recently would be good. Javi will always have respect from me though, especially if he keeps us up!😄
If we continue along similar lines until the end of the season, in which case we'll stop up comfortably, I think it would be harsh not to give Gracia at least next season.
Very impressed up to now.
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comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
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How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
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Whats Bielsa to do with Garcia getting job long term 🤷🏻♂️
Bielsa, ended up perfect fit and the best manager we could have got.
Dont sell ourselves short, we stay up, there be queing round the corner to manage us, and better than garcia
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What it's got to to with Bielsa is that Gracia as you correctly noted was not at his previous clubs for long. Bielsa was not at his previous clubs for very long either.
If your not going to appoint a manager because of a quick exit from previous clubs then on that basis Bielsa would not have got the Leeds job.
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Biesla was short term appointment, only signed one year deals. Right thing, right time.
Just think we can do better
He's done well so far albeit been quite lucky. Could have easily lost to Brighton and Wolves as both battered us, plus Firpo's tame shot shouldn't have gone in against Southampton. I like him, but I agree with LIW, we should get who we really want in the summer. I'm not sure with our current management, Orta and playing staff, that we'll do any better next season. I'm not fully sold on Gracia but he'd be the cheap/easy option to keep him on if we stay up.
As long as we can get someone better (Iraola?) I think we have to go for it, even though it's a bit harsh if he keeps us up. If not, keep him and see how it pans out.
I'm hoping it's all done quietly behind the scenes before the season ends.
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 5 hours, 8 minutes ago
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
^^^^^
As much as I like what Gracia is doing,
I have to agree with this. It would be a bold
move but one I think is correct.
Iraola and Slot were the top choices, so if the club
feel strongly about them, why not go back in and see
if you can get them. Both still doing well.
Slot doing really well at Feyenoord.
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
Iraola and Slot were the top choices, so if the club
feel strongly about them, why not go back in and see
if you can get them. Both still doing well.
Slot doing really well at Feyenoord.
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but why would they want to come to us? If they have achieved a champions league place, then they will probably want to stay and test themselves in that competition.
Right now I'm happy with gracia. Leaps and bounds better than the useless marsch.
But that's definitely not a reason to sign him long term. See who's available but like maid said will slot want to come to us?
Do a mid table pl side trump a champions league partisapant.
Miles bigger wages, and coaching in the biggest league in the world, by a mile.
Think people really are underestimating the pull, of the premier league.
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
He's done well so far albeit been quite lucky. Could have easily lost to Brighton and Wolves as both battered us, plus Firpo's tame shot shouldn't have gone in against Southampton. I like him, but I agree with LIW, we should get who we really want in the summer. I'm not sure with our current management, Orta and playing staff, that we'll do any better next season. I'm not fully sold on Gracia but he'd be the cheap/easy option to keep him on if we stay up.
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Wolves battered us?
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
He's done well so far albeit been quite lucky. Could have easily lost to Brighton and Wolves as both battered us, plus Firpo's tame shot shouldn't have gone in against Southampton. I like him, but I agree with LIW, we should get who we really want in the summer. I'm not sure with our current management, Orta and playing staff, that we'll do any better next season. I'm not fully sold on Gracia but he'd be the cheap/easy option to keep him on if we stay up.
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Wolves battered us?
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Yeah, we got battered 2-4.
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
If we continue along similar lines until the end of the season, in which case we'll stop up comfortably, I think it would be harsh not to give Gracia at least next season.
Very impressed up to now.
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Remember last season, when Marsh kept us up? We gave him the job and we all know what happened. As much as we like a coach, if someone better comes along, we have to take him.
Additionally, if we are in the Premier League, we may well be getting significant funds for rebuilding the stadium and the squad. The coach will need to be a proven leader with the skills to take us through that transition.
It will be a risk, whatever we do. If, by the end of the season, we are in the top 10, then we may have to think harder about Gracia, but for now, he is not the man for the job.
comment by My favorite Marschian (U19827)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
If we continue along similar lines until the end of the season, in which case we'll stop up comfortably, I think it would be harsh not to give Gracia at least next season.
Very impressed up to now.
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Remember last season, when Marsh kept us up? We gave him the job and we all know what happened. As much as we like a coach, if someone better comes along, we have to take him.
Additionally, if we are in the Premier League, we may well be getting significant funds for rebuilding the stadium and the squad. The coach will need to be a proven leader with the skills to take us through that transition.
It will be a risk, whatever we do. If, by the end of the season, we are in the top 10, then we may have to think harder about Gracia, but for now, he is not the man for the job.
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Why is he not the man for the job?
I think it'll be the choice of the whoever they are ownwers to decide where we go next season, if they're happy with what happens then there's no reason why they shouldn't ask Gracia to stay on!..
But, it might be a case as some have already said, he might only be here to try and keep us up, that could be as much his choice as it is the clubs, so, we'll like alway's have to wait and see how things pan out!..
If he keeps us up, which I think he will, he should be allowed talks and see where it goes from there!..
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 20 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
He's done well so far albeit been quite lucky. Could have easily lost to Brighton and Wolves as both battered us, plus Firpo's tame shot shouldn't have gone in against Southampton. I like him, but I agree with LIW, we should get who we really want in the summer. I'm not sure with our current management, Orta and playing staff, that we'll do any better next season. I'm not fully sold on Gracia but he'd be the cheap/easy option to keep him on if we stay up.
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Wolves battered us?
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Double the percentage of possession, double the shots, double on target, more corners and 20% better passing accuracy. Given Wober and Meslier made a few point blank blocks, yeah, we could have easily lost that. We were clinical for a change, like Villa and Fulham were against us this year.
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posted on 19/3/23
I'll second that Light.
Just couldn't warm to our previous incumbent but already pleased with Javi Gracia.
posted on 19/3/23
Think we’ll stay up fairly easily in the end.
I’d still get a new manager in the summer
posted on 19/3/23
I'll third it.
LIW, why do you think that?
For example, I always thought Marsch's substitutions were poor. Yesterday, our subs won the game. Rasmus and Rodrigo scored and Struijk and Summerville helped to keep it tighter on Traore. Gracia has done pretty well so far in this permacrisis situation, no?
posted on 19/3/23
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
posted on 19/3/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
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How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
posted on 19/3/23
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whats Bielsa to do with Garcia getting job long term 🤷🏻♂️
Bielsa, ended up perfect fit and the best manager we could have got.
Dont sell ourselves short, we stay up, there be queing round the corner to manage us, and better than garcia
posted on 19/3/23
I like him. Liked him at Watford
But there is quality and potential in the squad
Do we want another season where we are in amongst a relegation zone?
We're a club who've had many tough times but the pressure and potential associated with us is higher than some of the other clubs in the relegation zone
We need to aim high and for the right manager. I'm not saying Tuchel or someone whose probably off to a CL side, but why not aim high.
posted on 19/3/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whats Bielsa to do with Garcia getting job long term 🤷🏻♂️
Bielsa, ended up perfect fit and the best manager we could have got.
Dont sell ourselves short, we stay up, there be queing round the corner to manage us, and better than garcia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it's got to to with Bielsa is that Gracia as you correctly noted was not at his previous clubs for long. Bielsa was not at his previous clubs for very long either.
If your not going to appoint a manager because of a quick exit from previous clubs then on that basis Bielsa would not have got the Leeds job.
posted on 19/3/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whats Bielsa to do with Garcia getting job long term 🤷🏻♂️
Bielsa, ended up perfect fit and the best manager we could have got.
Dont sell ourselves short, we stay up, there be queing round the corner to manage us, and better than garcia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I, like Wakey, get the impression this was never meant to be a long term appointment. It's a McCarthy/Warnock/Big Sam type one to try to turn the fortunes around whilst the board identifies a way forward. Nobody feels he has it in him to develop the team in years to come. A decent coach, capable of making the changes necessary in the short term but nothing more than that.
He will not have his contract renewed beyond the summer of that I am sure.
Wonder how many people, like myself and Wakey, are so uninspired by the appointment they cannot be bothered to learn the gaffer's name.
posted on 19/3/23
Yep, agree with much of the above. Despite really trying hard, I just couldn’t get past the Jesse BS. Also, harsh as it is, we should at least try for a more experienced coach in the summer. Somebody who’s won something recently would be good. Javi will always have respect from me though, especially if he keeps us up!😄
posted on 19/3/23
If we continue along similar lines until the end of the season, in which case we'll stop up comfortably, I think it would be harsh not to give Gracia at least next season.
Very impressed up to now.
posted on 19/3/23
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 58 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Bianco Blanco (U2142)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 27 minutes ago
He’s managed twelve clubs, 10 he’s lasted a year, other two were two years.
Personally think, us staying up, isnt that big an achievement.
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
----------------------------------------------------------------------
How long was Bielsa at the clubs he managed before arriving at Leeds?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whats Bielsa to do with Garcia getting job long term 🤷🏻♂️
Bielsa, ended up perfect fit and the best manager we could have got.
Dont sell ourselves short, we stay up, there be queing round the corner to manage us, and better than garcia
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What it's got to to with Bielsa is that Gracia as you correctly noted was not at his previous clubs for long. Bielsa was not at his previous clubs for very long either.
If your not going to appoint a manager because of a quick exit from previous clubs then on that basis Bielsa would not have got the Leeds job.
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Biesla was short term appointment, only signed one year deals. Right thing, right time.
Just think we can do better
posted on 19/3/23
He's done well so far albeit been quite lucky. Could have easily lost to Brighton and Wolves as both battered us, plus Firpo's tame shot shouldn't have gone in against Southampton. I like him, but I agree with LIW, we should get who we really want in the summer. I'm not sure with our current management, Orta and playing staff, that we'll do any better next season. I'm not fully sold on Gracia but he'd be the cheap/easy option to keep him on if we stay up.
posted on 19/3/23
As long as we can get someone better (Iraola?) I think we have to go for it, even though it's a bit harsh if he keeps us up. If not, keep him and see how it pans out.
I'm hoping it's all done quietly behind the scenes before the season ends.
posted on 19/3/23
comment by LIW Rad a %#@% and so is Orta (U8453)
posted 5 hours, 8 minutes ago
Lets not waste another season by keeping him, then sacking him come christmas.
Get the one we really want
^^^^^
As much as I like what Gracia is doing,
I have to agree with this. It would be a bold
move but one I think is correct.
posted on 19/3/23
Iraola and Slot were the top choices, so if the club
feel strongly about them, why not go back in and see
if you can get them. Both still doing well.
Slot doing really well at Feyenoord.
posted on 19/3/23
comment by Batty (U4664)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
Iraola and Slot were the top choices, so if the club
feel strongly about them, why not go back in and see
if you can get them. Both still doing well.
Slot doing really well at Feyenoord.
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but why would they want to come to us? If they have achieved a champions league place, then they will probably want to stay and test themselves in that competition.
posted on 19/3/23
Right now I'm happy with gracia. Leaps and bounds better than the useless marsch.
But that's definitely not a reason to sign him long term. See who's available but like maid said will slot want to come to us?
Do a mid table pl side trump a champions league partisapant.
posted on 19/3/23
Miles bigger wages, and coaching in the biggest league in the world, by a mile.
Think people really are underestimating the pull, of the premier league.
posted on 19/3/23
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
He's done well so far albeit been quite lucky. Could have easily lost to Brighton and Wolves as both battered us, plus Firpo's tame shot shouldn't have gone in against Southampton. I like him, but I agree with LIW, we should get who we really want in the summer. I'm not sure with our current management, Orta and playing staff, that we'll do any better next season. I'm not fully sold on Gracia but he'd be the cheap/easy option to keep him on if we stay up.
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Wolves battered us?
posted on 19/3/23
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 2 hours, 47 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
He's done well so far albeit been quite lucky. Could have easily lost to Brighton and Wolves as both battered us, plus Firpo's tame shot shouldn't have gone in against Southampton. I like him, but I agree with LIW, we should get who we really want in the summer. I'm not sure with our current management, Orta and playing staff, that we'll do any better next season. I'm not fully sold on Gracia but he'd be the cheap/easy option to keep him on if we stay up.
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Wolves battered us?
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Yeah, we got battered 2-4.
posted on 20/3/23
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
If we continue along similar lines until the end of the season, in which case we'll stop up comfortably, I think it would be harsh not to give Gracia at least next season.
Very impressed up to now.
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Remember last season, when Marsh kept us up? We gave him the job and we all know what happened. As much as we like a coach, if someone better comes along, we have to take him.
Additionally, if we are in the Premier League, we may well be getting significant funds for rebuilding the stadium and the squad. The coach will need to be a proven leader with the skills to take us through that transition.
It will be a risk, whatever we do. If, by the end of the season, we are in the top 10, then we may have to think harder about Gracia, but for now, he is not the man for the job.
posted on 20/3/23
comment by My favorite Marschian (U19827)
posted 2 hours, 26 minutes ago
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 16 hours, 31 minutes ago
If we continue along similar lines until the end of the season, in which case we'll stop up comfortably, I think it would be harsh not to give Gracia at least next season.
Very impressed up to now.
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Remember last season, when Marsh kept us up? We gave him the job and we all know what happened. As much as we like a coach, if someone better comes along, we have to take him.
Additionally, if we are in the Premier League, we may well be getting significant funds for rebuilding the stadium and the squad. The coach will need to be a proven leader with the skills to take us through that transition.
It will be a risk, whatever we do. If, by the end of the season, we are in the top 10, then we may have to think harder about Gracia, but for now, he is not the man for the job.
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Why is he not the man for the job?
posted on 20/3/23
I think it'll be the choice of the whoever they are ownwers to decide where we go next season, if they're happy with what happens then there's no reason why they shouldn't ask Gracia to stay on!..
But, it might be a case as some have already said, he might only be here to try and keep us up, that could be as much his choice as it is the clubs, so, we'll like alway's have to wait and see how things pan out!..
If he keeps us up, which I think he will, he should be allowed talks and see where it goes from there!..
posted on 20/3/23
comment by White as Snow (U22893)
posted 20 hours, 21 minutes ago
comment by Shaun M - Livin da vi la Roca (U9955)
posted 5 hours, 54 minutes ago
He's done well so far albeit been quite lucky. Could have easily lost to Brighton and Wolves as both battered us, plus Firpo's tame shot shouldn't have gone in against Southampton. I like him, but I agree with LIW, we should get who we really want in the summer. I'm not sure with our current management, Orta and playing staff, that we'll do any better next season. I'm not fully sold on Gracia but he'd be the cheap/easy option to keep him on if we stay up.
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Wolves battered us?
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Double the percentage of possession, double the shots, double on target, more corners and 20% better passing accuracy. Given Wober and Meslier made a few point blank blocks, yeah, we could have easily lost that. We were clinical for a change, like Villa and Fulham were against us this year.
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