Won't be voting for it,much better he stays at Spurs,thats almost a guarantee you will not be winnig any trophies in the future
Pointless. He’s not a government elected official. He’s the owner of a private company. The only way he goes is if someone pays the asking price.
That’s an embarrassing petition it really is. I’m not saying Levy is great for Spurs - but there’s no cohesive argument made against him at all in that post. 22 years of failure. Really? Where were Spurs 22 years ago? Were they a top 4 club? Were they in the CL final? Did they have the best stadium in the world?
I totally get Spurs wanting to push to the next level and feeling Levy is holding them back - but Spurs have been underachieving for 50 years aside from the odd FA cup or league cup.
underachieving for 50 years
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On what basis? Before ENIC we were a mid table team.
Paradox of being a fan. Club absolutely relies on you, yet you have fack all influence on anything.
Paying off what is probably the best stadium on the planet and consistently top 4.
Catch a fwcking grip.
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Paying off what is probably the best stadium on the planet and consistently top 4.
Catch a fwcking grip.
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The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
We’ve not been consistently top 4 since Levy made the disastrous decision to sack Poch - one top 4 finish since and that’s only because Arsenal bottled the last 4 games of the season.
The football served up over the last 4 years has been crap beyond belief
We pay the highest ticket prices in football and now we’re looking to increase those prices “ significantly”
Just because we’re better off compared to Crystal Palace, doesn’t mean we don’t have legitimate gripes
The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
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Has Beyoncé taken up a Vegas type residency and are top boxing matches now a weekly occurrence?
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posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Paying off what is probably the best stadium on the planet and consistently top 4.
Catch a fwcking grip.
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The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
We’ve not been consistently top 4 since Levy made the disastrous decision to sack Poch - one top 4 finish since and that’s only because Arsenal bottled the last 4 games of the season.
The football served up over the last 4 years has been crap beyond belief
We pay the highest ticket prices in football and now we’re looking to increase those prices “ significantly”
Just because we’re better off compared to Crystal Palace, doesn’t mean we don’t have legitimate gripes
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Before Enic you were a mid-table nothing club trading off former glories. You’ve become one of the big 6 clubs in the Premier League, achieved top 4 numerous times, reached a CL final, even won a trophy under their tenure and have the best stadium in the world.
I get the frustration in terms of not taking the opportunity to push further with the resources you have - but that change campaign is shameful. It doesn’t have any cohesive argument as to why Levy should go
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 28 minutes ago
The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
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Has Beyoncé taken up a Vegas type residency and are top boxing matches now a weekly occurrence?
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No of course not - before Beyoncé it was Gaga and before her Guns and Roses and so on.
Quite simply our mortgage style payments for the stadium equate to roughly £43m a season - we earn that from the concerts/Boxing/Rugby and mostly from the NFL events held at the stadium - that’s how it pays for itself. Soon formula 1 go karting will also be added and who knows what else Levy has up his sleeve - this is Levy’s undoubted strength as a chairman, he is I would say comfortably the best in football at increasing commercial revenue - and that’s what he should stick to.
He is arguably the worst chairman going in terms of having a successful football strategy.
Some of the entitlement of spurs fans is embarrassing. I will never ever pretend he is perfect and I get peoples frustrations with him, but honestly look at what he has done for the club in terms of financial sustainability, infrastructure and helping the club move from a mid table club to regular European football. I fully accept we fall short, but that has mostly been as much about players not turning up for big games and managers not rectifying that. There are things wrong at spurs but it isn’t all on levy. A petition
The fans want trophies. So he gets the two managers in world football who essentially guarantee you trophies. And whatever people say, he does back them - admittedly he could spend more but he has the club’s financial sustainability in the forefront which so many fans forget. The fans say he doesn’t know enough about football. So he gets in arguably the most respected DoF around. It isn’t his fault Paratici is a crook. The fans don’t want their hero Kane sold to city. So levy digs in and doesn’t sell. We have the best stadium in Europe. We have the training ground. We haven’t won anything I know, but that ISNT all on levy. The football has been terrible. But that’s cos he got in Jose and Conte cos the fans wanted trophies. Just stop this weird obsessive hate with the bloke and look at some of the things he has done for the club.
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 7 hours, 4 minutes ago
underachieving for 50 years
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On what basis? Before ENIC we were a mid table team.
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That's achieving...?
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posted 45 seconds ago
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posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Paying off what is probably the best stadium on the planet and consistently top 4.
Catch a fwcking grip.
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The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
We’ve not been consistently top 4 since Levy made the disastrous decision to sack Poch - one top 4 finish since and that’s only because Arsenal bottled the last 4 games of the season.
The football served up over the last 4 years has been crap beyond belief
We pay the highest ticket prices in football and now we’re looking to increase those prices “ significantly”
Just because we’re better off compared to Crystal Palace, doesn’t mean we don’t have legitimate gripes
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Before Enic you were a mid-table nothing club trading off former glories. You’ve become one of the big 6 clubs in the Premier League, achieved top 4 numerous times, reached a CL final, even won a trophy under their tenure and have the best stadium in the world.
I get the frustration in terms of not taking the opportunity to push further with the resources you have - but that change campaign is shameful. It doesn’t have any cohesive argument as to why Levy should go
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Your memory is quite short - we were a mid table nothing club from about 1992 until Levy/Enic took over in 2000 (we were still a mid table nothing club under them for a long while)
Before 1992 though if we are to be considered a mid table nothing club then the only ones who could be considered big boys would be United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton. In the 80’s we were winning European trophies, contending for the title and winning domestic trophies. The 70’s we were doing similar despite also suffering relegation. The 60’s we were winning titles, making the European cup semi final, winning other European and domestic trophies.
At the inauguration of the Premier league, Spurs were considered one of the big 5 along with United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton.
We’re top 4 all time for FA cups, top 4 for European trophies won by English clubs and top 5 for League cups won. The trophy drought is only a recent phenomenon
We’ve been bigger and vastly more successful than we are now. People just get it twisted because we were poor in the 90’s - we still won an FA cup and League cup though.
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 8 minutes ago
Some of the entitlement of spurs fans is embarrassing. I will never ever pretend he is perfect and I get peoples frustrations with him, but honestly look at what he has done for the club in terms of financial sustainability, infrastructure and helping the club move from a mid table club to regular European football. I fully accept we fall short, but that has mostly been as much about players not turning up for big games and managers not rectifying that. There are things wrong at spurs but it isn’t all on levy. A petition
The fans want trophies. So he gets the two managers in world football who essentially guarantee you trophies. And whatever people say, he does back them - admittedly he could spend more but he has the club’s financial sustainability in the forefront which so many fans forget. The fans say he doesn’t know enough about football. So he gets in arguably the most respected DoF around. It isn’t his fault Paratici is a crook. The fans don’t want their hero Kane sold to city. So levy digs in and doesn’t sell. We have the best stadium in Europe. We have the training ground. We haven’t won anything I know, but that ISNT all on levy. The football has been terrible. But that’s cos he got in Jose and Conte cos the fans wanted trophies. Just stop this weird obsessive hate with the bloke and look at some of the things he has done for the club.
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I will accept all of those things, but say the whole argument is undone by the a king of Poch.
We were on the cusp there and he just needed greater backing, he was still catching up having seen the club become the first and still only ever to go a summer window without buying a player.
He has done great things, but the last 4 years have shown us he has reached his limit on the football side and doesn’t have a scooby on how to take us forwards.
In an alternate dimension Poch is still here and we’ve won the league and FA cup in the last 4 years and no one gives a schitt about Levy awarding himself a pay increase and building a go kart track under the stadium
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 14 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That summer where we bought no one did irreparable harm to his image and standing at the club. Wrongly, that cemented in peoples minds that he doesn’t spend money or is too tight.
The love of a deal and getting one over on other chairmen meaning long drawn out transfer sagas has also taken a toll on his image.
The scattergun approach in the market - whether he likes it or not, he hired those DOF and managers and decided when they had to go also - so he is to blame ultimately.
All this adds up over time and when you’re not winning trophies it will create a nasty environment. Yes he brought in trophy managers - but then set up their remuneration so that qualifying for the CL is the be all and end all. He sacked Jose 6 days before a cup final. He hired Nuno in between Jose and Conte - what strategy was that?
He has gone as far as he can go and he needs help now - he needs someone to come in and take the footballing decisions away from him
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That’s a load of rubbish mate. He has definitely done more wrong than right, hence the large amount of supporters in unison fed up with the situation at Spurs. You name me more things he has done right on the pitch please? I’m not talking about Beyonce concerts or making profits. Nobody gives a s** about that. On the pitch, what has Levy achieved as in success? We were on the cusp of success at one point and he failed to push on.
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That’s a load of rubbish mate. He has definitely done more wrong than right, hence the large amount of supporters in unison fed up with the situation at Spurs. You name me more things he has done right on the pitch please? I’m not talking about Beyonce concerts or making profits. Nobody gives a s** about that. On the pitch, what has Levy achieved as in success? We were on the cusp of success at one point and he failed to push on.
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To be fair Don, I think the failure on the pitch is all post Poch - with the rot setting in that summer he bought nobody.
Under Levy the average league finish place has increased. We went from a side that rarely qualifies for Europe to a side that always qualifies - even when we’re schitt like this season.
But he lost the plot circa 2018 and we have at best stood still since then but more realistically have been going backwards and that is all on Levy as he has stumbled from one disastrous decision to another.
I don’t think any other club in world football bar maybe Chelsea, would have sacked Poch when we did.
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comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That’s a load of rubbish mate. He has definitely done more wrong than right, hence the large amount of supporters in unison fed up with the situation at Spurs. You name me more things he has done right on the pitch please? I’m not talking about Beyonce concerts or making profits. Nobody gives a s** about that. On the pitch, what has Levy achieved as in success? We were on the cusp of success at one point and he failed to push on.
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To be fair Don, I think the failure on the pitch is all post Poch - with the rot setting in that summer he bought nobody.
Under Levy the average league finish place has increased. We went from a side that rarely qualifies for Europe to a side that always qualifies - even when we’re schitt like this season.
But he lost the plot circa 2018 and we have at best stood still since then but more realistically have been going backwards and that is all on Levy as he has stumbled from one disastrous decision to another.
I don’t think any other club in world football bar maybe Chelsea, would have sacked Poch when we did.
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Yes, but we also won trophies mate. Not many before, but Daniel Levy’s reign is the least successful trophy wise in our club’s history. When do we stop praising the occasional Top 4 finishes all the time?
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That’s a load of rubbish mate. He has definitely done more wrong than right, hence the large amount of supporters in unison fed up with the situation at Spurs. You name me more things he has done right on the pitch please? I’m not talking about Beyonce concerts or making profits. Nobody gives a s** about that. On the pitch, what has Levy achieved as in success? We were on the cusp of success at one point and he failed to push on.
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But what I'm trying to say Don is that it isn't black and white. It isn't 'Levy is the worst chairman ever' or 'Levy is the best'. It's somewhere in between and that's why I get frustrated by fans who have this absolute hate for him. And I'm not having a go at you mate, you've been on this board for years and you talk a lot of sense! But I just don't get the hate.
Off the top of my head, things he's done well:
- Stadium
- Kept Kane and got top £££ for most of the decent players he has sold (Bale for example)
- Spent a lot of money on good players that the manager has wanted, and it isn't his fault that some of the managers have spent big on dross (NDom, GLC, Soldado etc.)
- Overseen a period of being in or around the top 4 clubs in the most lucrative / competitive / 'best' league in the world, and delivered CL football for multiple seasons
- Recognised that Poch almost got us there but couldn't quite deliver, so got in the one manager in the world who has won silverware everywhere he has been which IN THEORY would then take us to that next step and final level of actually winning.
- Repeated that with Conte. You cannot argue with his logic.
- Made us commerically viable and financially sustainable, which I know is boring but isn't important.
Things he's done badly:
- Haggled over almost every transfer which has made clubs not want to deal with us and lost us targets
- Not backed Poch
- Gone for bargains rather than established winners time and time again
- Hired Nuno
- Not communicated with fans
- Changed his mind on his approach to how we operate multiple times
There are loads more in each category, but my point is that he does good stuff and bad stuff, but people love to just focus on what he's done wrong
I forgot to add 'zero trophies' to the second list, my bad
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 2 minutes ago
I forgot to add 'zero trophies' to the second list, my bad
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Probably the worst of the lot mate this one
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
Some of the entitlement of spurs fans is embarrassing. I will never ever pretend he is perfect and I get peoples frustrations with him, but honestly look at what he has done for the club in terms of financial sustainability, infrastructure and helping the club move from a mid table club to regular European football. I fully accept we fall short, but that has mostly been as much about players not turning up for big games and managers not rectifying that. There are things wrong at spurs but it isn’t all on levy. A petition
The fans want trophies. So he gets the two managers in world football who essentially guarantee you trophies. And whatever people say, he does back them - admittedly he could spend more but he has the club’s financial sustainability in the forefront which so many fans forget. The fans say he doesn’t know enough about football. So he gets in arguably the most respected DoF around. It isn’t his fault Paratici is a crook. The fans don’t want their hero Kane sold to city. So levy digs in and doesn’t sell. We have the best stadium in Europe. We have the training ground. We haven’t won anything I know, but that ISNT all on levy. The football has been terrible. But that’s cos he got in Jose and Conte cos the fans wanted trophies. Just stop this weird obsessive hate with the bloke and look at some of the things he has done for the club.
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It's hard to argue with any of this, to be fair. When you lay out the facts like that, it's lazy to pin this all on Levy. Couple that with the fact that 20 other clubs are pushing to win things in this league too, some financed in some seriously underhand ways, and you realise that what Levy is trying to do isn't that easy. No one has a divine right to silverware.
He's trying to do the right things, as you say, and he's certainly made mistakes along the way but he's not going to bankrupt the club whilst doing it. Take a look at the likes of Mike Ashley and Ellis Short for a definition of real apathy in football. We don't have it all that bad at all.
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posted on 29/3/23
Won't be voting for it,much better he stays at Spurs,thats almost a guarantee you will not be winnig any trophies in the future
posted on 29/3/23
Signed
posted on 30/3/23
Pointless. He’s not a government elected official. He’s the owner of a private company. The only way he goes is if someone pays the asking price.
posted on 30/3/23
That’s an embarrassing petition it really is. I’m not saying Levy is great for Spurs - but there’s no cohesive argument made against him at all in that post. 22 years of failure. Really? Where were Spurs 22 years ago? Were they a top 4 club? Were they in the CL final? Did they have the best stadium in the world?
I totally get Spurs wanting to push to the next level and feeling Levy is holding them back - but Spurs have been underachieving for 50 years aside from the odd FA cup or league cup.
posted on 30/3/23
underachieving for 50 years
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On what basis? Before ENIC we were a mid table team.
posted on 30/3/23
Paradox of being a fan. Club absolutely relies on you, yet you have fack all influence on anything.
posted on 30/3/23
Paying off what is probably the best stadium on the planet and consistently top 4.
Catch a fwcking grip.
posted on 30/3/23
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Paying off what is probably the best stadium on the planet and consistently top 4.
Catch a fwcking grip.
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The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
We’ve not been consistently top 4 since Levy made the disastrous decision to sack Poch - one top 4 finish since and that’s only because Arsenal bottled the last 4 games of the season.
The football served up over the last 4 years has been crap beyond belief
We pay the highest ticket prices in football and now we’re looking to increase those prices “ significantly”
Just because we’re better off compared to Crystal Palace, doesn’t mean we don’t have legitimate gripes
posted on 30/3/23
The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
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Has Beyoncé taken up a Vegas type residency and are top boxing matches now a weekly occurrence?
posted on 30/3/23
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Paying off what is probably the best stadium on the planet and consistently top 4.
Catch a fwcking grip.
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The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
We’ve not been consistently top 4 since Levy made the disastrous decision to sack Poch - one top 4 finish since and that’s only because Arsenal bottled the last 4 games of the season.
The football served up over the last 4 years has been crap beyond belief
We pay the highest ticket prices in football and now we’re looking to increase those prices “ significantly”
Just because we’re better off compared to Crystal Palace, doesn’t mean we don’t have legitimate gripes
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Before Enic you were a mid-table nothing club trading off former glories. You’ve become one of the big 6 clubs in the Premier League, achieved top 4 numerous times, reached a CL final, even won a trophy under their tenure and have the best stadium in the world.
I get the frustration in terms of not taking the opportunity to push further with the resources you have - but that change campaign is shameful. It doesn’t have any cohesive argument as to why Levy should go
posted on 30/3/23
comment by Boris 'Inky’ Gibson (U5901)
posted 28 minutes ago
The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
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Has Beyoncé taken up a Vegas type residency and are top boxing matches now a weekly occurrence?
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No of course not - before Beyoncé it was Gaga and before her Guns and Roses and so on.
Quite simply our mortgage style payments for the stadium equate to roughly £43m a season - we earn that from the concerts/Boxing/Rugby and mostly from the NFL events held at the stadium - that’s how it pays for itself. Soon formula 1 go karting will also be added and who knows what else Levy has up his sleeve - this is Levy’s undoubted strength as a chairman, he is I would say comfortably the best in football at increasing commercial revenue - and that’s what he should stick to.
He is arguably the worst chairman going in terms of having a successful football strategy.
posted on 30/3/23
Some of the entitlement of spurs fans is embarrassing. I will never ever pretend he is perfect and I get peoples frustrations with him, but honestly look at what he has done for the club in terms of financial sustainability, infrastructure and helping the club move from a mid table club to regular European football. I fully accept we fall short, but that has mostly been as much about players not turning up for big games and managers not rectifying that. There are things wrong at spurs but it isn’t all on levy. A petition
The fans want trophies. So he gets the two managers in world football who essentially guarantee you trophies. And whatever people say, he does back them - admittedly he could spend more but he has the club’s financial sustainability in the forefront which so many fans forget. The fans say he doesn’t know enough about football. So he gets in arguably the most respected DoF around. It isn’t his fault Paratici is a crook. The fans don’t want their hero Kane sold to city. So levy digs in and doesn’t sell. We have the best stadium in Europe. We have the training ground. We haven’t won anything I know, but that ISNT all on levy. The football has been terrible. But that’s cos he got in Jose and Conte cos the fans wanted trophies. Just stop this weird obsessive hate with the bloke and look at some of the things he has done for the club.
posted on 30/3/23
comment by Bãleš left boot (U22081)
posted 7 hours, 4 minutes ago
underachieving for 50 years
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On what basis? Before ENIC we were a mid table team.
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That's achieving...?
posted on 30/3/23
comment by 99 Problems (Top - invest in the squad and sack Rodgers) (U12353)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Gingernuts (U2992)
posted 4 hours, 46 minutes ago
Paying off what is probably the best stadium on the planet and consistently top 4.
Catch a fwcking grip.
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The stadium pays for itself, we cover the costs of the stadium with the NFL/Boxing/Beyoncé and soon to be go karting.
We’ve not been consistently top 4 since Levy made the disastrous decision to sack Poch - one top 4 finish since and that’s only because Arsenal bottled the last 4 games of the season.
The football served up over the last 4 years has been crap beyond belief
We pay the highest ticket prices in football and now we’re looking to increase those prices “ significantly”
Just because we’re better off compared to Crystal Palace, doesn’t mean we don’t have legitimate gripes
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Before Enic you were a mid-table nothing club trading off former glories. You’ve become one of the big 6 clubs in the Premier League, achieved top 4 numerous times, reached a CL final, even won a trophy under their tenure and have the best stadium in the world.
I get the frustration in terms of not taking the opportunity to push further with the resources you have - but that change campaign is shameful. It doesn’t have any cohesive argument as to why Levy should go
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Your memory is quite short - we were a mid table nothing club from about 1992 until Levy/Enic took over in 2000 (we were still a mid table nothing club under them for a long while)
Before 1992 though if we are to be considered a mid table nothing club then the only ones who could be considered big boys would be United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton. In the 80’s we were winning European trophies, contending for the title and winning domestic trophies. The 70’s we were doing similar despite also suffering relegation. The 60’s we were winning titles, making the European cup semi final, winning other European and domestic trophies.
At the inauguration of the Premier league, Spurs were considered one of the big 5 along with United, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton.
We’re top 4 all time for FA cups, top 4 for European trophies won by English clubs and top 5 for League cups won. The trophy drought is only a recent phenomenon
We’ve been bigger and vastly more successful than we are now. People just get it twisted because we were poor in the 90’s - we still won an FA cup and League cup though.
posted on 30/3/23
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 8 minutes ago
Some of the entitlement of spurs fans is embarrassing. I will never ever pretend he is perfect and I get peoples frustrations with him, but honestly look at what he has done for the club in terms of financial sustainability, infrastructure and helping the club move from a mid table club to regular European football. I fully accept we fall short, but that has mostly been as much about players not turning up for big games and managers not rectifying that. There are things wrong at spurs but it isn’t all on levy. A petition
The fans want trophies. So he gets the two managers in world football who essentially guarantee you trophies. And whatever people say, he does back them - admittedly he could spend more but he has the club’s financial sustainability in the forefront which so many fans forget. The fans say he doesn’t know enough about football. So he gets in arguably the most respected DoF around. It isn’t his fault Paratici is a crook. The fans don’t want their hero Kane sold to city. So levy digs in and doesn’t sell. We have the best stadium in Europe. We have the training ground. We haven’t won anything I know, but that ISNT all on levy. The football has been terrible. But that’s cos he got in Jose and Conte cos the fans wanted trophies. Just stop this weird obsessive hate with the bloke and look at some of the things he has done for the club.
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I will accept all of those things, but say the whole argument is undone by the a king of Poch.
We were on the cusp there and he just needed greater backing, he was still catching up having seen the club become the first and still only ever to go a summer window without buying a player.
He has done great things, but the last 4 years have shown us he has reached his limit on the football side and doesn’t have a scooby on how to take us forwards.
In an alternate dimension Poch is still here and we’ve won the league and FA cup in the last 4 years and no one gives a schitt about Levy awarding himself a pay increase and building a go kart track under the stadium
posted on 30/3/23
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
posted on 30/3/23
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 14 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That summer where we bought no one did irreparable harm to his image and standing at the club. Wrongly, that cemented in peoples minds that he doesn’t spend money or is too tight.
The love of a deal and getting one over on other chairmen meaning long drawn out transfer sagas has also taken a toll on his image.
The scattergun approach in the market - whether he likes it or not, he hired those DOF and managers and decided when they had to go also - so he is to blame ultimately.
All this adds up over time and when you’re not winning trophies it will create a nasty environment. Yes he brought in trophy managers - but then set up their remuneration so that qualifying for the CL is the be all and end all. He sacked Jose 6 days before a cup final. He hired Nuno in between Jose and Conte - what strategy was that?
He has gone as far as he can go and he needs help now - he needs someone to come in and take the footballing decisions away from him
posted on 30/3/23
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That’s a load of rubbish mate. He has definitely done more wrong than right, hence the large amount of supporters in unison fed up with the situation at Spurs. You name me more things he has done right on the pitch please? I’m not talking about Beyonce concerts or making profits. Nobody gives a s** about that. On the pitch, what has Levy achieved as in success? We were on the cusp of success at one point and he failed to push on.
posted on 30/3/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That’s a load of rubbish mate. He has definitely done more wrong than right, hence the large amount of supporters in unison fed up with the situation at Spurs. You name me more things he has done right on the pitch please? I’m not talking about Beyonce concerts or making profits. Nobody gives a s** about that. On the pitch, what has Levy achieved as in success? We were on the cusp of success at one point and he failed to push on.
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To be fair Don, I think the failure on the pitch is all post Poch - with the rot setting in that summer he bought nobody.
Under Levy the average league finish place has increased. We went from a side that rarely qualifies for Europe to a side that always qualifies - even when we’re schitt like this season.
But he lost the plot circa 2018 and we have at best stood still since then but more realistically have been going backwards and that is all on Levy as he has stumbled from one disastrous decision to another.
I don’t think any other club in world football bar maybe Chelsea, would have sacked Poch when we did.
posted on 30/3/23
Fur coat and no knickers
posted on 30/3/23
comment by Striketeam7 - the smartest person you know - Bronze medal khunt 2022 - Buy..Bellingham and another mid 20s Thiago type...lets just call him "frank" (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That’s a load of rubbish mate. He has definitely done more wrong than right, hence the large amount of supporters in unison fed up with the situation at Spurs. You name me more things he has done right on the pitch please? I’m not talking about Beyonce concerts or making profits. Nobody gives a s** about that. On the pitch, what has Levy achieved as in success? We were on the cusp of success at one point and he failed to push on.
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To be fair Don, I think the failure on the pitch is all post Poch - with the rot setting in that summer he bought nobody.
Under Levy the average league finish place has increased. We went from a side that rarely qualifies for Europe to a side that always qualifies - even when we’re schitt like this season.
But he lost the plot circa 2018 and we have at best stood still since then but more realistically have been going backwards and that is all on Levy as he has stumbled from one disastrous decision to another.
I don’t think any other club in world football bar maybe Chelsea, would have sacked Poch when we did.
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Yes, but we also won trophies mate. Not many before, but Daniel Levy’s reign is the least successful trophy wise in our club’s history. When do we stop praising the occasional Top 4 finishes all the time?
posted on 30/3/23
comment by Don_tottenham (U3372)
posted 43 minutes ago
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 29 minutes ago
I’m with you on poch - I wish he’d been backed and not sacked. Things had gone stale and we’d stopped progressing, so at the time I understood it, especially as he went for Jose who in theory should have taken us to the next level. But it was a mistake and I agree with you.
But bigger picture, I just feel that he’s done more right than wrong and don’t get why he is quite so hated
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That’s a load of rubbish mate. He has definitely done more wrong than right, hence the large amount of supporters in unison fed up with the situation at Spurs. You name me more things he has done right on the pitch please? I’m not talking about Beyonce concerts or making profits. Nobody gives a s** about that. On the pitch, what has Levy achieved as in success? We were on the cusp of success at one point and he failed to push on.
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But what I'm trying to say Don is that it isn't black and white. It isn't 'Levy is the worst chairman ever' or 'Levy is the best'. It's somewhere in between and that's why I get frustrated by fans who have this absolute hate for him. And I'm not having a go at you mate, you've been on this board for years and you talk a lot of sense! But I just don't get the hate.
Off the top of my head, things he's done well:
- Stadium
- Kept Kane and got top £££ for most of the decent players he has sold (Bale for example)
- Spent a lot of money on good players that the manager has wanted, and it isn't his fault that some of the managers have spent big on dross (NDom, GLC, Soldado etc.)
- Overseen a period of being in or around the top 4 clubs in the most lucrative / competitive / 'best' league in the world, and delivered CL football for multiple seasons
- Recognised that Poch almost got us there but couldn't quite deliver, so got in the one manager in the world who has won silverware everywhere he has been which IN THEORY would then take us to that next step and final level of actually winning.
- Repeated that with Conte. You cannot argue with his logic.
- Made us commerically viable and financially sustainable, which I know is boring but isn't important.
Things he's done badly:
- Haggled over almost every transfer which has made clubs not want to deal with us and lost us targets
- Not backed Poch
- Gone for bargains rather than established winners time and time again
- Hired Nuno
- Not communicated with fans
- Changed his mind on his approach to how we operate multiple times
There are loads more in each category, but my point is that he does good stuff and bad stuff, but people love to just focus on what he's done wrong
posted on 30/3/23
I forgot to add 'zero trophies' to the second list, my bad
posted on 30/3/23
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 2 minutes ago
I forgot to add 'zero trophies' to the second list, my bad
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Probably the worst of the lot mate this one
posted on 30/3/23
comment by NotSoMagicJuande (U1913)
posted 2 hours, 35 minutes ago
Some of the entitlement of spurs fans is embarrassing. I will never ever pretend he is perfect and I get peoples frustrations with him, but honestly look at what he has done for the club in terms of financial sustainability, infrastructure and helping the club move from a mid table club to regular European football. I fully accept we fall short, but that has mostly been as much about players not turning up for big games and managers not rectifying that. There are things wrong at spurs but it isn’t all on levy. A petition
The fans want trophies. So he gets the two managers in world football who essentially guarantee you trophies. And whatever people say, he does back them - admittedly he could spend more but he has the club’s financial sustainability in the forefront which so many fans forget. The fans say he doesn’t know enough about football. So he gets in arguably the most respected DoF around. It isn’t his fault Paratici is a crook. The fans don’t want their hero Kane sold to city. So levy digs in and doesn’t sell. We have the best stadium in Europe. We have the training ground. We haven’t won anything I know, but that ISNT all on levy. The football has been terrible. But that’s cos he got in Jose and Conte cos the fans wanted trophies. Just stop this weird obsessive hate with the bloke and look at some of the things he has done for the club.
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It's hard to argue with any of this, to be fair. When you lay out the facts like that, it's lazy to pin this all on Levy. Couple that with the fact that 20 other clubs are pushing to win things in this league too, some financed in some seriously underhand ways, and you realise that what Levy is trying to do isn't that easy. No one has a divine right to silverware.
He's trying to do the right things, as you say, and he's certainly made mistakes along the way but he's not going to bankrupt the club whilst doing it. Take a look at the likes of Mike Ashley and Ellis Short for a definition of real apathy in football. We don't have it all that bad at all.
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