There are a lot of players who just lack the mentality and commitment to succeed at the very highest level on a consistent basis. We've had so many freak results and performances this season that they are no longer freak results at all.
As soon as they leave OT they get a nose bleed. They retreat into their shells and wait for one of their equally mentally flimsy team mates to cover for them. And then it snowballs into the shiiitfest we saw last night, and at Etihad and at Anfield and at home and away to Liverpool last season and at Brighton lesson and... Well you get my point.
I see a lot of people saying we will get a reaction on Sunday. We will not, we will get hammered. The players won't have their home comforts and that means they'll collectively collapse, each player passing responsibility on to the next.
When you have a shonky central defence and an erratic keeper it unsettles the whole team. That’s what happened. Would have been a different game had Martinez been available.
I still thought United were capable of pulling it back at 2-0 but the 3rd goal may have done long term damage to the team’s confidence
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
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Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
Nothing wrong with sitting in away from home and playing counter attack football.
What we do is go away from home and don't change anything. The away record is awful and the manager needs to make changes. Clearly we aren't good enough to treat every game the same like City do.
Funny how UTD fans cry about not being financially backed year on year. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.
You’d are up there with City and Chelsea in spending stupid amounts, year on year and are part of the problem why transfer fees are crazy.
Pogba
Maguire
Sancho
Anthony
Lukaku
Di Maria
Fernandes
Varane
Martinez
Martial
Casemiro
Fred
Wan-Bissaka
And I’m sure there’s more.
No doubt you’d will splash stupid cash again next summer.
Your fans crying about not being back is ridiculous. You’d are arguably worse than City
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
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Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
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No crowds, less pressure. They're also the same lot who got him sacked. So are you saying that he was good at tactics, then became bad at them when crowds returned? Makes lots of sense
It is pretty clear that DDG shats himself when Maguire/Lindelof are in front of him, and that, vice versa, they are edgy around DDG.
I'd shift on all three, if that was possible. We need better mentality.
Martial, i thought did ok last night. Sancho was far more culpable. Again, his mentality is completely off.
If you have a lot of freak accidents, are they really freak accidents any more?
DDG and Maguire are guaranteed accidents. Dalot, AWB, Lindelof and Shaw are prone to them too.
None of them are really good enough for a title aspiring team. Shaw is the best of a bad bunch.
Only Varane and Martinez would you fully trust in a title race.
Be surprised if the Glazers know the result, let alone watched or followed it live.
This season could’ve been so much better, yes we can take some small positives in that we’ve improved a bit with a new manager but for the most part the same old problems have reared their head time and again.
10 years of sheite is getting depressing now.
Can handle defeats, but only when they put effort in.
How many games do we lose narrowly and are really unlucky? Not many, if we lose we get spanked. Shocking
There is a mental rot at the heart of the squad and while the better players weren’t playing today they all did against Liverpool and got battered. Ten Hag is probably only really realising what a task he has as the better players he brings in face being infected with whatever the last lot had. Might take him 4/5 years to really get the job done but I doubt he’ll get that time as who does these days at the very biggest of clubs.
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
DDG and Maguire are guaranteed accidents. Dalot, AWB, Lindelof and Shaw are prone to them too.
None of them are really good enough for a title aspiring team. Shaw is the best of a bad bunch.
Only Varane and Martinez would you fully trust in a title race.
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You couldn't trust Varane to be fit though
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 8 minutes ago
Funny how UTD fans cry about not being financially backed year on year. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.
You’d are up there with City and Chelsea in spending stupid amounts, year on year and are part of the problem why transfer fees are crazy.
Pogba
Maguire
Sancho
Anthony
Lukaku
Di Maria
Fernandes
Varane
Martinez
Martial
Casemiro
Fred
Wan-Bissaka
And I’m sure there’s more.
No doubt you’d will splash stupid cash again next summer.
Your fans crying about not being back is ridiculous. You’d are arguably worse than City
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Not one fan ever complains about that. Only rival fans ever mention it because it's a fabrication
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
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No crowds, less pressure. They're also the same lot who got him sacked. So are you saying that he was good at tactics, then became bad at them when crowds returned? Makes lots of sense
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No; I’m saying that people play the ‘weak mentality’ card and ignore all evidence to the contrary when it suits them (usually when they’re angry after a loss).
All fans do it. Liverpool fans have done the same this season, about the very same group of players, despite banging on for three prior seasons or so about how they were some kind of freak group of iron-clad, irrepressible warriors.
Players and squads go through ups and downs. This group of players’ record shows they’ve demonstrated incredible mental fortitude at times, and weakness at others. As will probably every other squad’s.
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No crowds, less pressure. They're also the same lot who got him sacked. So are you saying that he was good at tactics, then became bad at them when crowds returned? Makes lots of sense
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No; I’m saying that people play the ‘weak mentality’ card and ignore all evidence to the contrary when it suits them (usually when they’re angry after a loss).
All fans do it. Liverpool fans have done the same this season, about the very same group of players, despite banging on for three prior seasons or so about how they were some kind of freak group of iron-clad, irrepressible warriors.
Players and squads go through ups and downs. This group of players’ record shows they’ve demonstrated incredible mental fortitude at times, and weakness at others. As will probably every other squad’s.
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Most teams don’t collapse and get absolutely hammered on a regular basis like we do. They are clearly mentally fragile. It wouldn’t happen so often if they weren’t.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No crowds, less pressure. They're also the same lot who got him sacked. So are you saying that he was good at tactics, then became bad at them when crowds returned? Makes lots of sense
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No; I’m saying that people play the ‘weak mentality’ card and ignore all evidence to the contrary when it suits them (usually when they’re angry after a loss).
All fans do it. Liverpool fans have done the same this season, about the very same group of players, despite banging on for three prior seasons or so about how they were some kind of freak group of iron-clad, irrepressible warriors.
Players and squads go through ups and downs. This group of players’ record shows they’ve demonstrated incredible mental fortitude at times, and weakness at others. As will probably every other squad’s.
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Most teams don’t collapse and get absolutely hammered on a regular basis like we do. They are clearly mentally fragile. It wouldn’t happen so often if they weren’t.
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Does it happen that often?
It didn’t last night. Last night was:
1-0 - ridiculous decision by DDG and sloppy pass by Maguire
2-0 - a bit of a lucky deflection but mainly poor goalkeeping
3-0 - DDG doing what DDG does when he leaves the six yard box
It was a poor performance all round, but they were the better team from the start. We weren’t at the races at all.
If anything, our best period came when we were 2-0 down, at which point we looked like we had a decent chance of getting back into the game (first 15 mins of the second half).
Does it happen that often?
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Are you serious? Of course it does. You could just list the Liverpool and City games in the last few years. Let alone the pastings we’ve had off everyone else.
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
Does it happen that often?
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Are you serious? Of course it does. You could just list the Liverpool and City games in the last few years. Let alone the pastings we’ve had off everyone else.
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Does it happen to us any more often than it has happened to Liverpool this season, for example? Or to Spurs or Arsenal (not this season, obviously) the last few?
I’m not saying there haven’t been times at which we’ve capitulated completely, obviously. But that isn’t unique to United.
And equally, there are times at which this same squad (as pointed out above) has gone behind by a couple of goals, has dug in, and has got something from the game.
Yes it does. Just look at out results. And it’s not something that has happened just this season, it’s been happening regularly since Mourinho’s final season.
It’s a squad full of internationals. Of course it’s going to be bale to dig in and get results. But it’s a pattern of fragility that we see every year.
Too many so called 'fans' call for 'fans protests' to happen, or to be 'stepped up', at times like this.
Who actually are these 'fans' who are expected to participate in these protests? Do you mean the 75K United supporters who pay to enter the stadium on home matchdays? Or are you calling for wider participation from some of the estimated 1B digital, 'non legacy fans of the future', worldwide, most who have never been to Manchester never mind seen United, that United themselves and the new media claim to have?
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posted on 21/4/23
There are a lot of players who just lack the mentality and commitment to succeed at the very highest level on a consistent basis. We've had so many freak results and performances this season that they are no longer freak results at all.
As soon as they leave OT they get a nose bleed. They retreat into their shells and wait for one of their equally mentally flimsy team mates to cover for them. And then it snowballs into the shiiitfest we saw last night, and at Etihad and at Anfield and at home and away to Liverpool last season and at Brighton lesson and... Well you get my point.
I see a lot of people saying we will get a reaction on Sunday. We will not, we will get hammered. The players won't have their home comforts and that means they'll collectively collapse, each player passing responsibility on to the next.
posted on 21/4/23
When you have a shonky central defence and an erratic keeper it unsettles the whole team. That’s what happened. Would have been a different game had Martinez been available.
posted on 21/4/23
I still thought United were capable of pulling it back at 2-0 but the 3rd goal may have done long term damage to the team’s confidence
posted on 21/4/23
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
posted on 21/4/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
posted on 21/4/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
posted on 21/4/23
Nothing wrong with sitting in away from home and playing counter attack football.
What we do is go away from home and don't change anything. The away record is awful and the manager needs to make changes. Clearly we aren't good enough to treat every game the same like City do.
posted on 21/4/23
Funny how UTD fans cry about not being financially backed year on year. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.
You’d are up there with City and Chelsea in spending stupid amounts, year on year and are part of the problem why transfer fees are crazy.
Pogba
Maguire
Sancho
Anthony
Lukaku
Di Maria
Fernandes
Varane
Martinez
Martial
Casemiro
Fred
Wan-Bissaka
And I’m sure there’s more.
No doubt you’d will splash stupid cash again next summer.
Your fans crying about not being back is ridiculous. You’d are arguably worse than City
posted on 21/4/23
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No crowds, less pressure. They're also the same lot who got him sacked. So are you saying that he was good at tactics, then became bad at them when crowds returned? Makes lots of sense
posted on 21/4/23
It is pretty clear that DDG shats himself when Maguire/Lindelof are in front of him, and that, vice versa, they are edgy around DDG.
I'd shift on all three, if that was possible. We need better mentality.
Martial, i thought did ok last night. Sancho was far more culpable. Again, his mentality is completely off.
posted on 21/4/23
If you have a lot of freak accidents, are they really freak accidents any more?
posted on 21/4/23
DDG and Maguire are guaranteed accidents. Dalot, AWB, Lindelof and Shaw are prone to them too.
None of them are really good enough for a title aspiring team. Shaw is the best of a bad bunch.
Only Varane and Martinez would you fully trust in a title race.
posted on 21/4/23
Be surprised if the Glazers know the result, let alone watched or followed it live.
This season could’ve been so much better, yes we can take some small positives in that we’ve improved a bit with a new manager but for the most part the same old problems have reared their head time and again.
10 years of sheite is getting depressing now.
Can handle defeats, but only when they put effort in.
How many games do we lose narrowly and are really unlucky? Not many, if we lose we get spanked. Shocking
posted on 21/4/23
There is a mental rot at the heart of the squad and while the better players weren’t playing today they all did against Liverpool and got battered. Ten Hag is probably only really realising what a task he has as the better players he brings in face being infected with whatever the last lot had. Might take him 4/5 years to really get the job done but I doubt he’ll get that time as who does these days at the very biggest of clubs.
posted on 21/4/23
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 1 minute ago
DDG and Maguire are guaranteed accidents. Dalot, AWB, Lindelof and Shaw are prone to them too.
None of them are really good enough for a title aspiring team. Shaw is the best of a bad bunch.
Only Varane and Martinez would you fully trust in a title race.
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You couldn't trust Varane to be fit though
posted on 21/4/23
comment by Afc8919 (U21433)
posted 8 minutes ago
Funny how UTD fans cry about not being financially backed year on year. It’s the most ridiculous thing I’ve heard.
You’d are up there with City and Chelsea in spending stupid amounts, year on year and are part of the problem why transfer fees are crazy.
Pogba
Maguire
Sancho
Anthony
Lukaku
Di Maria
Fernandes
Varane
Martinez
Martial
Casemiro
Fred
Wan-Bissaka
And I’m sure there’s more.
No doubt you’d will splash stupid cash again next summer.
Your fans crying about not being back is ridiculous. You’d are arguably worse than City
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Not one fan ever complains about that. Only rival fans ever mention it because it's a fabrication
posted on 21/4/23
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No crowds, less pressure. They're also the same lot who got him sacked. So are you saying that he was good at tactics, then became bad at them when crowds returned? Makes lots of sense
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No; I’m saying that people play the ‘weak mentality’ card and ignore all evidence to the contrary when it suits them (usually when they’re angry after a loss).
All fans do it. Liverpool fans have done the same this season, about the very same group of players, despite banging on for three prior seasons or so about how they were some kind of freak group of iron-clad, irrepressible warriors.
Players and squads go through ups and downs. This group of players’ record shows they’ve demonstrated incredible mental fortitude at times, and weakness at others. As will probably every other squad’s.
posted on 21/4/23
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 52 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by rossobianchi (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by merrysupersteve (relaxed about the situation) (U1132)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Glazers Out (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
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Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
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No crowds, less pressure. They're also the same lot who got him sacked. So are you saying that he was good at tactics, then became bad at them when crowds returned? Makes lots of sense
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No; I’m saying that people play the ‘weak mentality’ card and ignore all evidence to the contrary when it suits them (usually when they’re angry after a loss).
All fans do it. Liverpool fans have done the same this season, about the very same group of players, despite banging on for three prior seasons or so about how they were some kind of freak group of iron-clad, irrepressible warriors.
Players and squads go through ups and downs. This group of players’ record shows they’ve demonstrated incredible mental fortitude at times, and weakness at others. As will probably every other squad’s.
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Most teams don’t collapse and get absolutely hammered on a regular basis like we do. They are clearly mentally fragile. It wouldn’t happen so often if they weren’t.
posted on 21/4/23
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We started the game with 3 of our best back 4 missing, our true captain Bruno out suspended and our leading scorer on bench just coming back from a knock.
We never really stood a chance. The real damage was done last week.
Our away form under ETH is poor too. We have only beat one of the top 12 in the PL away this season. It's been out form at home that has seen us improve in the league a little.
Manager needs to rethink his tactics in away games as we get thumped a fair bit more than we should.
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I really think it's far more mental than tactical. This isn't new. We lost our last 6 or 7 away games last season too, for example.
He can adopt whichever tactics he likes but when you have players who simply cant motivate themselves to perform away from their own stadium, you could have Pep in the dugout and they would still fail.
It's a recurring theme and one that seems to manifest itself moreso at the business end of the season. Look at Ole's caretaker spell, look at last season and again this season. When the going gets tough, this lot get shirking
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Is this not the same lot who broke a PL record for away victories on the trot and kept coming from behind to win games under Ole?
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No crowds, less pressure. They're also the same lot who got him sacked. So are you saying that he was good at tactics, then became bad at them when crowds returned? Makes lots of sense
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No; I’m saying that people play the ‘weak mentality’ card and ignore all evidence to the contrary when it suits them (usually when they’re angry after a loss).
All fans do it. Liverpool fans have done the same this season, about the very same group of players, despite banging on for three prior seasons or so about how they were some kind of freak group of iron-clad, irrepressible warriors.
Players and squads go through ups and downs. This group of players’ record shows they’ve demonstrated incredible mental fortitude at times, and weakness at others. As will probably every other squad’s.
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Most teams don’t collapse and get absolutely hammered on a regular basis like we do. They are clearly mentally fragile. It wouldn’t happen so often if they weren’t.
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Does it happen that often?
It didn’t last night. Last night was:
1-0 - ridiculous decision by DDG and sloppy pass by Maguire
2-0 - a bit of a lucky deflection but mainly poor goalkeeping
3-0 - DDG doing what DDG does when he leaves the six yard box
It was a poor performance all round, but they were the better team from the start. We weren’t at the races at all.
If anything, our best period came when we were 2-0 down, at which point we looked like we had a decent chance of getting back into the game (first 15 mins of the second half).
posted on 21/4/23
Does it happen that often?
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Are you serious? Of course it does. You could just list the Liverpool and City games in the last few years. Let alone the pastings we’ve had off everyone else.
posted on 21/4/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
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Does it happen that often?
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Are you serious? Of course it does. You could just list the Liverpool and City games in the last few years. Let alone the pastings we’ve had off everyone else.
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Does it happen to us any more often than it has happened to Liverpool this season, for example? Or to Spurs or Arsenal (not this season, obviously) the last few?
I’m not saying there haven’t been times at which we’ve capitulated completely, obviously. But that isn’t unique to United.
And equally, there are times at which this same squad (as pointed out above) has gone behind by a couple of goals, has dug in, and has got something from the game.
posted on 21/4/23
Yes it does. Just look at out results. And it’s not something that has happened just this season, it’s been happening regularly since Mourinho’s final season.
posted on 21/4/23
It’s a squad full of internationals. Of course it’s going to be bale to dig in and get results. But it’s a pattern of fragility that we see every year.
posted on 21/4/23
Too many so called 'fans' call for 'fans protests' to happen, or to be 'stepped up', at times like this.
Who actually are these 'fans' who are expected to participate in these protests? Do you mean the 75K United supporters who pay to enter the stadium on home matchdays? Or are you calling for wider participation from some of the estimated 1B digital, 'non legacy fans of the future', worldwide, most who have never been to Manchester never mind seen United, that United themselves and the new media claim to have?
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