Yes. The whole reason this new system works is because it creates an overload by Trent stepping into midfield.
The traditional 433 that we've seen from the top clubs this past ten years is dead.
Took too long for Klopp to see this unfortunately, but now he has we have to adapt and to do that we need at least one, preferably two new starting midfielders.
I’d still sign a right back to give us the option of playing Trent in midfield in the case of injuries or whatever, but somebody like Kostas, not expected to play every week.
We need a left footed centre back IMO too. Gvardiol would be perfect.
We have Gomez for the Kostas role, he's better than Kostas in fact.
Was dreading an article like this.
- We are losing 4 midfielders in the summer
- Trent is inverting and not in midfield. Inverting is ideal for him and not an actual midfield slot.
- Can't trust Hendo and Fab anymore. Still good squad players.
- Thiago injury prone and needs to be phased out.
- Jones saved his career and a shout to start games next season
Then you are looking at kids like Elliott and Bajcetic who still need time.
Conclusion:
We still need a minimum of 2 ready to start midfielders.
-
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 49 minutes ago
Was dreading an article like this.
- We are losing 4 midfielders in the summer
- Trent is inverting and not in midfield. Inverting is ideal for him and not an actual midfield slot.
- Can't trust Hendo and Fab anymore. Still good squad players.
- Thiago injury prone and needs to be phased out.
- Jones saved his career and a shout to start games next season
Then you are looking at kids like Elliott and Bajcetic who still need time.
Conclusion:
We still need a minimum of 2 ready to start midfielders.
-
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I agree with most what you day but I think he does nit need to be an inverted rb which exposes us at that roght side.
Just play him in the middle and get a more defensive mi dedicated rb.
Def agree we need 2 mids but what I should have said is we can buy one very good one and one for less, say an up and coming cm. But then spend good money on a rb.
Oh yes baj looks very good.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 49 minutes ago
Was dreading an article like this.
- We are losing 4 midfielders in the summer
- Trent is inverting and not in midfield. Inverting is ideal for him and not an actual midfield slot.
- Can't trust Hendo and Fab anymore. Still good squad players.
- Thiago injury prone and needs to be phased out.
- Jones saved his career and a shout to start games next season
Then you are looking at kids like Elliott and Bajcetic who still need time.
Conclusion:
We still need a minimum of 2 ready to start midfielders.
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with most what you day but I think he does nit need to be an inverted rb which exposes us at that roght side.
Just play him in the middle and get a more defensive mi dedicated rb.
Def agree we need 2 mids but what I should have said is we can buy one very good one and one for less, say an up and coming cm. But then spend good money on a rb.
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But that would mean going back to the old system and if we do that we'll always be outnumbered in midfield and the same issues will persist.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't understand why people would want to go back to the old system. It doesn't get our best players on the pitch.
When our old system was working with TAA at right back and he was putting in outstanding performances, people wanted TAA put into midfield. Confusing stuff.
When the new system is working with TAA playing an inverted role and he's putting in MOTM performances almost every game, people want TAA put into midfield. Mind-boggling stuff.
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
When our old system was working with TAA at right back and he was putting in outstanding performances, people wanted TAA put into midfield. Confusing stuff.
When the new system is working with TAA playing an inverted role and he's putting in MOTM performances almost every game, people want TAA put into midfield. Mind-boggling stuff.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We become predictable that os for certain.
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 49 minutes ago
Was dreading an article like this.
- We are losing 4 midfielders in the summer
- Trent is inverting and not in midfield. Inverting is ideal for him and not an actual midfield slot.
- Can't trust Hendo and Fab anymore. Still good squad players.
- Thiago injury prone and needs to be phased out.
- Jones saved his career and a shout to start games next season
Then you are looking at kids like Elliott and Bajcetic who still need time.
Conclusion:
We still need a minimum of 2 ready to start midfielders.
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with most what you day but I think he does nit need to be an inverted rb which exposes us at that roght side.
Just play him in the middle and get a more defensive mi dedicated rb.
Def agree we need 2 mids but what I should have said is we can buy one very good one and one for less, say an up and coming cm. But then spend good money on a rb.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But that would mean going back to the old system and if we do that we'll always be outnumbered in midfield and the same issues will persist.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't understand why people would want to go back to the old system. It doesn't get our best players on the pitch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lol exactly. We don't need a right back at all. Most of the major sides play inverted and we happen to have the best in the world for that position.
He will still lose the odd 1 on 1 duels but Konate will be around to sweep up. Trent now has the freedom to roam into midfield and dictate play and give us the extra man. He will need to revert back to RB when under pressure and he seems more happy with this position change.
We still need two top class midfielders that can go straight in. Hendo thiago both a year older into their 30s will need more rotation next season. And we dont want to be in a situation again where we are having to play elliot every single game leading to him being burnt out. Hes still young and also needs rotated in and out.
Jones form is the biggest shock. He looks like he is capable of becoming a proper long term starter now. With that id say 2 is enough, no need for 3.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
When our old system was working with TAA at right back and he was putting in outstanding performances, people wanted TAA put into midfield. Confusing stuff.
When the new system is working with TAA playing an inverted role and he's putting in MOTM performances almost every game, people want TAA put into midfield. Mind-boggling stuff.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We become predictable that os for certain.
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That is why we had to change the system. Teams were doing the same thing every time against us and it was working time and again. We now have a situation where we have not only solved a lot of the defensive issues but we've added to attack with TAA's ability on the ball.
Yes because one injury and we're stuffed!
we're losing Ox and Naby, they aren't going to be huge misses but they're still going. we need to go out and get 2 quality mids who can come in to the side.
Hijack United's interest in Frimpong - outstanding stats in a decent league.
Mason Mount plus 1 other midfielder incoming.
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mason Mount plus 1 other midfielder incoming.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Give Milner a new contract instead of Mount
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 13 minutes ago
Hijack United's interest in Frimpong - outstanding stats in a decent league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He would be an expensive backup who won't get much game time. Pointless signing.
Mac Allister, Mount and Gravenberch in.
Milner, Keita and Ox out.
We need energy and quality and fresh legs in midfield. Don’t get tricked by the last 7 or 8 games. It’s a long season and we need some fresh impetus in this midfield 100%.
comment by Mo Salahhhhh 7-0 Egyptian King 👑 (U8829)
posted 17 minutes ago
Mac Allister, Mount and Gravenberch in.
Milner, Keita and Ox out.
We need energy and quality and fresh legs in midfield. Don’t get tricked by the last 7 or 8 games. It’s a long season and we need some fresh impetus in this midfield 100%.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Macallister and mount as incoming would be underwhelming for me.
I think caicedo is much better than Macallister, especially if jones is going to be more attacking. Kind of agree with Danny Murphy on thay point. Mount I think is just not an upgrade to what we have full stop.
I'd take rabiot for free, with ox, keita, firming going big wages won't be an issue. Very good defensively and better than what we are losing, and a Liverpool fan.
Gravenberch would be decent but I'd prefer xavi Simon's. Him and gakpo tore arsenal a new one. Drastic improvement in his game and looks a real gem.
Macallister seems pricey but him, rabiot and simons would be unreal value and strengthen us with multiple options too.
Don't want mount at all tbh. For the prices quotes I don't see the value, especially when there are better alternatives imo
Much as I like Rabiot (sometimes) as a player, he and his mother, seem extremely difficult.
Not a Klopp player.
Caicedo MuCh better than Mac Allister ? As big a fan i am of Caicedo i’d say Mac Allister is a better player eith a harder to find skill set in a, think more important for what we need too though we could really use both and both would be excellent signings.
In a role i thinks more important and what we need*
Said before i always liked mount, but for us and being in the last year of his contract and Chelseas situation 20/30m would be a gd deal. If we can get him for that itd be good value with resale value and he’d improve the squad add legs and be available so a huge improvement on ox keita etc. Hes proven and andvery experienxed dor his age having played a lot of games and big ones too on the biggest stage cl finals euro finals etc.
Gravenberch for the right price might not be bad either, looked a talent at ajax and ive had taken him then when bayern did. Big step up in leagues though so again risky depending on price.
I dont see it though, esp with us not being blessed with many disposable players to raise funds. Just cant see us spending much, itd be against what fsg have done so far with us especially under klopp. Can see us getting one player for big money then maybe a cheap swuad player like mount or gravenberch for 20-35m thatd be it. Anything more id be in shock, barring a huge unexpected sale.
I think the hendo/elliott role is the biggest upgrade we can make in our midfield. Bajcetic can play in any of the 3 mf roles equally well i imagine. Fabinhos gaining some form back and jones is starting to impress and make that position his own. For that reason id pref Mac Allister over caicedo, Mac Allister is a bit like Bajcetic in that he can play any of the 3 roles in our mf equally well. He played deeper vs Utd and was brilliant. Then again Caicedo probably can too and he covered fullback last few games for Brighton. Both just wonderful players that we’d be lucky to get.
But id be more happy with say Mac Allister + Ugarte than Caicedo + mount/gravenberch.
Then if we got a talented cb, left footed pref itd be a brillaint window imo.
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posted on 16/5/23
Yes. The whole reason this new system works is because it creates an overload by Trent stepping into midfield.
The traditional 433 that we've seen from the top clubs this past ten years is dead.
Took too long for Klopp to see this unfortunately, but now he has we have to adapt and to do that we need at least one, preferably two new starting midfielders.
posted on 16/5/23
I’d still sign a right back to give us the option of playing Trent in midfield in the case of injuries or whatever, but somebody like Kostas, not expected to play every week.
We need a left footed centre back IMO too. Gvardiol would be perfect.
posted on 16/5/23
We have Gomez for the Kostas role, he's better than Kostas in fact.
posted on 16/5/23
Was dreading an article like this.
- We are losing 4 midfielders in the summer
- Trent is inverting and not in midfield. Inverting is ideal for him and not an actual midfield slot.
- Can't trust Hendo and Fab anymore. Still good squad players.
- Thiago injury prone and needs to be phased out.
- Jones saved his career and a shout to start games next season
Then you are looking at kids like Elliott and Bajcetic who still need time.
Conclusion:
We still need a minimum of 2 ready to start midfielders.
-
posted on 16/5/23
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 49 minutes ago
Was dreading an article like this.
- We are losing 4 midfielders in the summer
- Trent is inverting and not in midfield. Inverting is ideal for him and not an actual midfield slot.
- Can't trust Hendo and Fab anymore. Still good squad players.
- Thiago injury prone and needs to be phased out.
- Jones saved his career and a shout to start games next season
Then you are looking at kids like Elliott and Bajcetic who still need time.
Conclusion:
We still need a minimum of 2 ready to start midfielders.
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with most what you day but I think he does nit need to be an inverted rb which exposes us at that roght side.
Just play him in the middle and get a more defensive mi dedicated rb.
Def agree we need 2 mids but what I should have said is we can buy one very good one and one for less, say an up and coming cm. But then spend good money on a rb.
posted on 16/5/23
Oh yes baj looks very good.
posted on 16/5/23
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 49 minutes ago
Was dreading an article like this.
- We are losing 4 midfielders in the summer
- Trent is inverting and not in midfield. Inverting is ideal for him and not an actual midfield slot.
- Can't trust Hendo and Fab anymore. Still good squad players.
- Thiago injury prone and needs to be phased out.
- Jones saved his career and a shout to start games next season
Then you are looking at kids like Elliott and Bajcetic who still need time.
Conclusion:
We still need a minimum of 2 ready to start midfielders.
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with most what you day but I think he does nit need to be an inverted rb which exposes us at that roght side.
Just play him in the middle and get a more defensive mi dedicated rb.
Def agree we need 2 mids but what I should have said is we can buy one very good one and one for less, say an up and coming cm. But then spend good money on a rb.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But that would mean going back to the old system and if we do that we'll always be outnumbered in midfield and the same issues will persist.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't understand why people would want to go back to the old system. It doesn't get our best players on the pitch.
posted on 16/5/23
When our old system was working with TAA at right back and he was putting in outstanding performances, people wanted TAA put into midfield. Confusing stuff.
When the new system is working with TAA playing an inverted role and he's putting in MOTM performances almost every game, people want TAA put into midfield. Mind-boggling stuff.
posted on 16/5/23
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
When our old system was working with TAA at right back and he was putting in outstanding performances, people wanted TAA put into midfield. Confusing stuff.
When the new system is working with TAA playing an inverted role and he's putting in MOTM performances almost every game, people want TAA put into midfield. Mind-boggling stuff.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We become predictable that os for certain.
posted on 16/5/23
comment by Robbing Hoody - At the end of a storm (U6374)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 40 seconds ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 49 minutes ago
Was dreading an article like this.
- We are losing 4 midfielders in the summer
- Trent is inverting and not in midfield. Inverting is ideal for him and not an actual midfield slot.
- Can't trust Hendo and Fab anymore. Still good squad players.
- Thiago injury prone and needs to be phased out.
- Jones saved his career and a shout to start games next season
Then you are looking at kids like Elliott and Bajcetic who still need time.
Conclusion:
We still need a minimum of 2 ready to start midfielders.
-
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with most what you day but I think he does nit need to be an inverted rb which exposes us at that roght side.
Just play him in the middle and get a more defensive mi dedicated rb.
Def agree we need 2 mids but what I should have said is we can buy one very good one and one for less, say an up and coming cm. But then spend good money on a rb.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
But that would mean going back to the old system and if we do that we'll always be outnumbered in midfield and the same issues will persist.
Maybe I'm missing something, but I just can't understand why people would want to go back to the old system. It doesn't get our best players on the pitch.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Lol exactly. We don't need a right back at all. Most of the major sides play inverted and we happen to have the best in the world for that position.
He will still lose the odd 1 on 1 duels but Konate will be around to sweep up. Trent now has the freedom to roam into midfield and dictate play and give us the extra man. He will need to revert back to RB when under pressure and he seems more happy with this position change.
posted on 16/5/23
We still need two top class midfielders that can go straight in. Hendo thiago both a year older into their 30s will need more rotation next season. And we dont want to be in a situation again where we are having to play elliot every single game leading to him being burnt out. Hes still young and also needs rotated in and out.
Jones form is the biggest shock. He looks like he is capable of becoming a proper long term starter now. With that id say 2 is enough, no need for 3.
posted on 16/5/23
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by There'sOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 3 minutes ago
When our old system was working with TAA at right back and he was putting in outstanding performances, people wanted TAA put into midfield. Confusing stuff.
When the new system is working with TAA playing an inverted role and he's putting in MOTM performances almost every game, people want TAA put into midfield. Mind-boggling stuff.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We become predictable that os for certain.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
That is why we had to change the system. Teams were doing the same thing every time against us and it was working time and again. We now have a situation where we have not only solved a lot of the defensive issues but we've added to attack with TAA's ability on the ball.
posted on 16/5/23
Yes because one injury and we're stuffed!
we're losing Ox and Naby, they aren't going to be huge misses but they're still going. we need to go out and get 2 quality mids who can come in to the side.
posted on 16/5/23
Hijack United's interest in Frimpong - outstanding stats in a decent league.
posted on 16/5/23
Mason Mount plus 1 other midfielder incoming.
posted on 16/5/23
comment by HB Fashion Sakala is offside again (U21935)
posted 2 minutes ago
Mason Mount plus 1 other midfielder incoming.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Give Milner a new contract instead of Mount
posted on 16/5/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 13 minutes ago
Hijack United's interest in Frimpong - outstanding stats in a decent league.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He would be an expensive backup who won't get much game time. Pointless signing.
posted on 16/5/23
Mac Allister, Mount and Gravenberch in.
Milner, Keita and Ox out.
We need energy and quality and fresh legs in midfield. Don’t get tricked by the last 7 or 8 games. It’s a long season and we need some fresh impetus in this midfield 100%.
posted on 16/5/23
comment by Mo Salahhhhh 7-0 Egyptian King 👑 (U8829)
posted 17 minutes ago
Mac Allister, Mount and Gravenberch in.
Milner, Keita and Ox out.
We need energy and quality and fresh legs in midfield. Don’t get tricked by the last 7 or 8 games. It’s a long season and we need some fresh impetus in this midfield 100%.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Macallister and mount as incoming would be underwhelming for me.
I think caicedo is much better than Macallister, especially if jones is going to be more attacking. Kind of agree with Danny Murphy on thay point. Mount I think is just not an upgrade to what we have full stop.
posted on 16/5/23
I'd take rabiot for free, with ox, keita, firming going big wages won't be an issue. Very good defensively and better than what we are losing, and a Liverpool fan.
Gravenberch would be decent but I'd prefer xavi Simon's. Him and gakpo tore arsenal a new one. Drastic improvement in his game and looks a real gem.
Macallister seems pricey but him, rabiot and simons would be unreal value and strengthen us with multiple options too.
Don't want mount at all tbh. For the prices quotes I don't see the value, especially when there are better alternatives imo
posted on 16/5/23
Much as I like Rabiot (sometimes) as a player, he and his mother, seem extremely difficult.
Not a Klopp player.
posted on 17/5/23
Caicedo MuCh better than Mac Allister ? As big a fan i am of Caicedo i’d say Mac Allister is a better player eith a harder to find skill set in a, think more important for what we need too though we could really use both and both would be excellent signings.
posted on 17/5/23
In a role i thinks more important and what we need*
posted on 17/5/23
Said before i always liked mount, but for us and being in the last year of his contract and Chelseas situation 20/30m would be a gd deal. If we can get him for that itd be good value with resale value and he’d improve the squad add legs and be available so a huge improvement on ox keita etc. Hes proven and andvery experienxed dor his age having played a lot of games and big ones too on the biggest stage cl finals euro finals etc.
Gravenberch for the right price might not be bad either, looked a talent at ajax and ive had taken him then when bayern did. Big step up in leagues though so again risky depending on price.
I dont see it though, esp with us not being blessed with many disposable players to raise funds. Just cant see us spending much, itd be against what fsg have done so far with us especially under klopp. Can see us getting one player for big money then maybe a cheap swuad player like mount or gravenberch for 20-35m thatd be it. Anything more id be in shock, barring a huge unexpected sale.
posted on 17/5/23
I think the hendo/elliott role is the biggest upgrade we can make in our midfield. Bajcetic can play in any of the 3 mf roles equally well i imagine. Fabinhos gaining some form back and jones is starting to impress and make that position his own. For that reason id pref Mac Allister over caicedo, Mac Allister is a bit like Bajcetic in that he can play any of the 3 roles in our mf equally well. He played deeper vs Utd and was brilliant. Then again Caicedo probably can too and he covered fullback last few games for Brighton. Both just wonderful players that we’d be lucky to get.
But id be more happy with say Mac Allister + Ugarte than Caicedo + mount/gravenberch.
Then if we got a talented cb, left footed pref itd be a brillaint window imo.
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