thankfully "20 years" of set backs can be fixed in one season !!
Todd came with a plan, give an up and coming progressive manager time to implement his ideas and build with a long term vision
Todd came in with a plan ?
err can you please explain that sweeping statement in a little detail, because the whole of the professional footballing world is scratching their heads at Todds plan.
The pressure for CFC to get top 4 this season is immense.
They will not be able to afford to not to given all the spending that has taken place and the tightening of FFP.
Interesting to see the OP has an understanding of many many risks that Chelsea have taken under Bohley and the potential constraints that will have on ongoing success, because most Chelsea fans are blind to it and after an era of success many just expect them to jump straight back up there. The competition is tougher than ever and the ability of the new manager to develop his own squad is severely constrained.
What was the point in sacking Potter and replacing him with Frank?
Was it just to appease the people calling for his head?
I can see no logic whatsoever in that decision
I think 2 years minimum to get back to top 4 level,and that is with continuity on the management side (Poch),It also means money people who are running the club, have to keep their noses out of footballing matters and let football people who know what they are doing ,do it unmolested !
It's worth waiting until next season before judging, because they could do another 2017. However, Chelsea will face serious problems if they miss out on top 4 next year I feel.
comment by Arsenal's 3G Network (U21076)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's worth waiting until next season before judging, because they could do another 2017. However, Chelsea will face serious problems if they miss out on top 4 next year I feel.
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Absolutely!
Even if you amortise all their 600m spending over 8 years that still add £75m to their transfer costs every season for 8 years and in missing out on UCL thats 75m revenue lost. Thats a £150m swing next season on accounts that were already making £121m losses in 21/22 season.
They will; balance some of that with some sales this summer but after that they need to be back at the top or else it's financial meltdown time
Its not about judging.
These are the real issues that thew club face.
I would be thrilled if the club could regain C/L football in one season, but as much as it is about what Poch and the club do , it is also very much dependent on what our rivals do also.
Imo just is the way it is!
Yes , Devon, the FFP has to be taken seriously as the club does not have much more band width to fritter away as it has in the last 12 months !
Although I knew it was inevitable one day, I already miss that private business intimacy feeling Roman's Chelsea had. Many will disagree with this & that's fine, I'm influenced by my own working life experiences, but I loved the idea that my club boiled down was ran by one crazy fan who kinda saw it as a laugh. Business? Whatever, long as everyone gets paid & we continue to operate (obviously in his case never a problem with his wealth) who cares if we expand. It's about having fun.
These guys have that corporate, big business feeling about them much more. Even if they weren't completely incompetent it wouldn't have felt the same to me.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 42 minutes ago
What was the point in sacking Potter and replacing him with Frank?
Was it just to appease the people calling for his head?
I can see no logic whatsoever in that decision
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Pretty clear it was that Potter was doing shlt, they decided to fire him, and brought lampard in hoping that we could get a feelgood boost and maybe do something with our season to show we aren't a laughing stock.
It didn't work but the logic is evident
The way newcastle are doing it (and the way last summer i said we should) was the right way. The way this has been approached has been ridiculous.
Signing sterling when jesus was available was just the cherry on top of a sh!t cake
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 46 minutes ago
What was the point in sacking Potter and replacing him with Frank?
Was it just to appease the people calling for his head?
I can see no logic whatsoever in that decision
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the logic was getting rid of potter.
The idiotic part was replacing him with frank
I don't think too much is broken. I know that sounds ridiculous, also I don't blame the new owners either.
I don't think anyone spends 4.75 billion on a club without a plan. I do think they have acted in haste and possibly have been influenced by the media and fans to do that.
To put my initial statement into some context, in the last few years we experienced a transfer ban and sanctions and in my opinion made some desperate signings, even before the team was bought. Lukaku and Aubmayang for example, Mendy even and everyone will have an opinion on those and others. We were in a mess for all sorts of reasons and we arguably overachieved at times under Lampard in his first year then Tuchel. But then we've over achieved in the past and by that I mean winning things when we haven't been the best team, like Munich.
This season we have suffered pretty badly from injuries to key players and our ability to score is a well known flaw and a well deserved source of fun for the media and rival fans alike. Our defence has been regarded as a joke and our keeper has been regarded as a joke too by some. That is the perception and whilst some say perception is reality, I never subscribe to that. Reality is what it is and cannot be changed, so you have to work on perception, that's not easy but let's look at our defence.
Many see that as an area of concern and we have suffered probably more injury issues there than anywhere else on the field, some call for Mendy over Kepa believing Kepa to be the weakest link etc. The reality is that currently, there are only 3 teams that have conceded less goals than us Newcastle, City (both currently on 32 conceded) and Manchester united who have conceded 1 less. Arsenal and Liverpool are both only 1 off of us on 43 conceded to our 42 but the point is that there is not that much wrong at that end of the pitch. Indeed if we had scored just 10 more goals, which is not a lot fir most other teams, we'd be a lot better off. But of course we aren't.
I don't expect us to break any records or win any trophies next year but then I never do any year. I'm just a fan and enjoy going to games to support my team. I love it when we win things but see it as a bonus not a necessity and I do want us to be competitive always but them so does every fan of every team I suspect.
I think we have a period of rebuilding to do, I wouldn't like to predict how long it will take, I'd like to think a few years tops but Arsenal have taken 20 years, Manchester United 10, Liverpool 30, etc. I do believe we have the desire and resources to do that. The competition is greater now than I can ever remember though one team is dominating currently, but after them it's anyone's game and they will be challenged, possibly by more teams than most dominant teams have been in the past. This is a good thing right? If it is, then so much for Chelsea destroying football, that aside I think webe proved you can't by trophies. Players yes but not trophies.
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
What was the point in sacking Potter and replacing him with Frank?
Was it just to appease the people calling for his head?
I can see no logic whatsoever in that decision
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There was plenty of point in sacking the useless clueless idiot furrrk Graham Potty. Replacing him with Lampard was a bad decision though.
JFDI,
I do agree about the issues with the squad , pre Boehly.
But the issue i do have is that reckless approach with the buying and the knock on effects.
(1)The evident consequences this season on the pitch this season , Potter ect.ect.
(2) The FFP problems that are building due to the absence of C/L football, as the amortisation model works fine as long (in our case )you have the 75m + per season to service the responsibility.
(3) The massive task of moving 12 (400m) footballers +, contracts on, without significantly damaging the clubs finances, as we will be considered a little desperate, at the very least severlly on the back foot, not a selling model conducive with getting the right money. The ownerships niaevity is evident in this regard. Where this puts the plan imo is off course.
(4) The plan, well if the plan was to invest in the best young talent that is welcome, but the 600m spent has not considered the actual squad balance, i would assume that in order to build for the future you first need a functioning attractive squad with a manager with a clear detailed vision. Which as we know was not in place when the new ownership took.
Tbh, i could get along with them enthusiastically blowing 300m ( have i actually written this ?)
This would leave enough FFP band width for the club to untangle the new ownerships spirited approach.
But they have not done that, they have created a situation that has left little room for failure, get it right in the next two seasons or we will be struggling to regain top four status for a pre-longed period, let alone be a worthy challenger.
It is what is.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
I don't think too much is broken. I know that sounds ridiculous, also I don't blame the new owners either.
I don't think anyone spends 4.75 billion on a club without a plan. I do think they have acted in haste and possibly have been influenced by the media and fans to do that.
To put my initial statement into some context, in the last few years we experienced a transfer ban and sanctions and in my opinion made some desperate signings, even before the team was bought. Lukaku and Aubmayang for example, Mendy even and everyone will have an opinion on those and others. We were in a mess for all sorts of reasons and we arguably overachieved at times under Lampard in his first year then Tuchel. But then we've over achieved in the past and by that I mean winning things when we haven't been the best team, like Munich.
This season we have suffered pretty badly from injuries to key players and our ability to score is a well known flaw and a well deserved source of fun for the media and rival fans alike. Our defence has been regarded as a joke and our keeper has been regarded as a joke too by some. That is the perception and whilst some say perception is reality, I never subscribe to that. Reality is what it is and cannot be changed, so you have to work on perception, that's not easy but let's look at our defence.
Many see that as an area of concern and we have suffered probably more injury issues there than anywhere else on the field, some call for Mendy over Kepa believing Kepa to be the weakest link etc. The reality is that currently, there are only 3 teams that have conceded less goals than us Newcastle, City (both currently on 32 conceded) and Manchester united who have conceded 1 less. Arsenal and Liverpool are both only 1 off of us on 43 conceded to our 42 but the point is that there is not that much wrong at that end of the pitch. Indeed if we had scored just 10 more goals, which is not a lot fir most other teams, we'd be a lot better off. But of course we aren't.
I don't expect us to break any records or win any trophies next year but then I never do any year. I'm just a fan and enjoy going to games to support my team. I love it when we win things but see it as a bonus not a necessity and I do want us to be competitive always but them so does every fan of every team I suspect.
I think we have a period of rebuilding to do, I wouldn't like to predict how long it will take, I'd like to think a few years tops but Arsenal have taken 20 years, Manchester United 10, Liverpool 30, etc. I do believe we have the desire and resources to do that. The competition is greater now than I can ever remember though one team is dominating currently, but after them it's anyone's game and they will be challenged, possibly by more teams than most dominant teams have been in the past. This is a good thing right? If it is, then so much for Chelsea destroying football, that aside I think webe proved you can't by trophies. Players yes but not trophies.
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I think with a good manager which you should have now and 2 EPL level Strikers that Chelsea team would be challenging again that top 4.
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
posted 5 minutes ago
JFDI,
I do agree about the issues with the squad , pre Boehly.
But the issue i do have is that reckless approach with the buying and the knock on effects.
(1)The evident consequences this season on the pitch this season , Potter ect.ect.
(2) The FFP problems that are building due to the absence of C/L football, as the amortisation model works fine as long (in our case )you have the 75m + per season to service the responsibility.
(3) The massive task of moving 12 (400m) footballers +, contracts on, without significantly damaging the clubs finances, as we will be considered a little desperate, at the very least severlly on the back foot, not a selling model conducive with getting the right money. The ownerships niaevity is evident in this regard. Where this puts the plan imo is off course.
(4) The plan, well if the plan was to invest in the best young talent that is welcome, but the 600m spent has not considered the actual squad balance, i would assume that in order to build for the future you first need a functioning attractive squad with a manager with a clear detailed vision. Which as we know was not in place when the new ownership took.
Tbh, i could get along with them enthusiastically blowing 300m ( have i actually written this ?)
This would leave enough FFP band width for the club to untangle the new ownerships spirited approach.
But they have not done that, they have created a situation that has left little room for failure, get it right in the next two seasons or we will be struggling to regain top four status for a pre-longed period, let alone be a worthy challenger.
It is what is.
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spot on.
I get the sense that in the head of the owners they were thinking "lets spend a lot now to get these talented youngsters in, and then next summer we'll sell the deadwood" but completely underestimating the difficulty of fulfilling the final bit of that plan.
Mount is the obvious one to raise money, but i am not sure you would have been counting on that sale before, just that now it is almost forced on you. He is one of few that will raise decent money and is easily moved on BUT academy players like him have no impact on the amortised trading figures, so that will not change if he's sold. It's just a short term hit of money to player trading and a mid-sized saving on wages.
By contrast if you sell Lukaku, more important than the money in would be the £20m a year off the amortisation and the £15m a year wages for the next 3 years. Thats a £105m gain over three years. You'd have to sell for £60m to 'break even' on his purchase but you would probably take half that, a £30m hit, just to achieve the £35m annual gain.
Chelsea have had a decent model for selling academy players to add to the revenue column, but even that success barely kept them in profit. With the massive new spending in the last 12 months, your player trading out will have to hit new levels and that will be tough when you consider who you could sell and for what, in a market that know you will be desperate to get rid of some big names.
JDFI makes some good points, and to a man our defence and keeper are actually pretty good. Kepa's best season in the league for sure.
However we have been got at so easily by teams and should have probably conceded a lot more this year if kepa, and earlier in the season thiago silva, didn't have to drop top performances week in week out.
Getting a striker would help us no end but I also think we've been lucky defensively not to have been blown away by teams this year
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
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I think with a good manager which you should have now and 2 EPL level Strikers that Chelsea team would be challenging again that top 4.
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Where's the money coming from to get these strikers? As ifarka has said, they have left themselves little band width to spend big again and 2 EPL quality strikers is another £100m plus.
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
posted 17 minutes ago
JFDI,
I do agree about the issues with the squad , pre Boehly.
But the issue i do have is that reckless approach with the buying and the knock on effects.
(1)The evident consequences this season on the pitch this season , Potter ect.ect.
(2) The FFP problems that are building due to the absence of C/L football, as the amortisation model works fine as long (in our case )you have the 75m + per season to service the responsibility.
(3) The massive task of moving 12 (400m) footballers +, contracts on, without significantly damaging the clubs finances, as we will be considered a little desperate, at the very least severlly on the back foot, not a selling model conducive with getting the right money. The ownerships niaevity is evident in this regard. Where this puts the plan imo is off course.
(4) The plan, well if the plan was to invest in the best young talent that is welcome, but the 600m spent has not considered the actual squad balance, i would assume that in order to build for the future you first need a functioning attractive squad with a manager with a clear detailed vision. Which as we know was not in place when the new ownership took.
Tbh, i could get along with them enthusiastically blowing 300m ( have i actually written this ?)
This would leave enough FFP band width for the club to untangle the new ownerships spirited approach.
But they have not done that, they have created a situation that has left little room for failure, get it right in the next two seasons or we will be struggling to regain top four status for a pre-longed period, let alone be a worthy challenger.
It is what is.
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I think there are many challenges, so many that I am not surprised we let them overwhelm us occasionally. Ffp could become an issue but shifting a few players will help and there will be buyers or loans that will help. Missing out on Europe does have an impact on revenue but also we have new sponsorship/commercial deals and opportunities that may help. They also overpaid for the club to cover previous debts and also left money in the bank for future investment, that was part of the deal. I'm no accountant, I'm just a fan but I don't believe that we will let that become an issue, it may be a hiderence but I'll judge that by developments over the summer.
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 14 minutes ago
JDFI makes some good points, and to a man our defence and keeper are actually pretty good. Kepa's best season in the league for sure.
However we have been got at so easily by teams and should have probably conceded a lot more this year if kepa, and earlier in the season thiago silva, didn't have to drop top performances week in week out.
Getting a striker would help us no end but I also think we've been lucky defensively not to have been blown away by teams this year
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I dunno about that, I think defensively we've just been pretty good. There's stars & passengers in the line but they've done the job.
Put Kane in the team + keep Tuchel & we'd be 5th/6th this year. Feel fairly confident saying that.
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 14 minutes ago
JDFI makes some good points, and to a man our defence and keeper are actually pretty good. Kepa's best season in the league for sure.
However we have been got at so easily by teams and should have probably conceded a lot more this year if kepa, and earlier in the season thiago silva, didn't have to drop top performances week in week out.
Getting a striker would help us no end but I also think we've been lucky defensively not to have been blown away by teams this year
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I dunno about that, I think defensively we've just been pretty good. There's stars & passengers in the line but they've done the job.
Put Kane in the team + keep Tuchel & we'd be 5th/6th this year. Feel fairly confident saying that.
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Of course, but we never had Kane and tuchel went so it's a mute point.
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posted on 25/5/23
thankfully "20 years" of set backs can be fixed in one season !!
posted on 25/5/23
Todd came with a plan, give an up and coming progressive manager time to implement his ideas and build with a long term vision
posted on 25/5/23
Todd came in with a plan ?
err can you please explain that sweeping statement in a little detail, because the whole of the professional footballing world is scratching their heads at Todds plan.
posted on 25/5/23
The pressure for CFC to get top 4 this season is immense.
They will not be able to afford to not to given all the spending that has taken place and the tightening of FFP.
Interesting to see the OP has an understanding of many many risks that Chelsea have taken under Bohley and the potential constraints that will have on ongoing success, because most Chelsea fans are blind to it and after an era of success many just expect them to jump straight back up there. The competition is tougher than ever and the ability of the new manager to develop his own squad is severely constrained.
posted on 25/5/23
What was the point in sacking Potter and replacing him with Frank?
Was it just to appease the people calling for his head?
I can see no logic whatsoever in that decision
posted on 25/5/23
I think 2 years minimum to get back to top 4 level,and that is with continuity on the management side (Poch),It also means money people who are running the club, have to keep their noses out of footballing matters and let football people who know what they are doing ,do it unmolested !
posted on 25/5/23
It's worth waiting until next season before judging, because they could do another 2017. However, Chelsea will face serious problems if they miss out on top 4 next year I feel.
posted on 25/5/23
comment by Arsenal's 3G Network (U21076)
posted 5 minutes ago
It's worth waiting until next season before judging, because they could do another 2017. However, Chelsea will face serious problems if they miss out on top 4 next year I feel.
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Absolutely!
Even if you amortise all their 600m spending over 8 years that still add £75m to their transfer costs every season for 8 years and in missing out on UCL thats 75m revenue lost. Thats a £150m swing next season on accounts that were already making £121m losses in 21/22 season.
They will; balance some of that with some sales this summer but after that they need to be back at the top or else it's financial meltdown time
posted on 25/5/23
Its not about judging.
These are the real issues that thew club face.
I would be thrilled if the club could regain C/L football in one season, but as much as it is about what Poch and the club do , it is also very much dependent on what our rivals do also.
Imo just is the way it is!
posted on 25/5/23
Yes , Devon, the FFP has to be taken seriously as the club does not have much more band width to fritter away as it has in the last 12 months !
posted on 25/5/23
Although I knew it was inevitable one day, I already miss that private business intimacy feeling Roman's Chelsea had. Many will disagree with this & that's fine, I'm influenced by my own working life experiences, but I loved the idea that my club boiled down was ran by one crazy fan who kinda saw it as a laugh. Business? Whatever, long as everyone gets paid & we continue to operate (obviously in his case never a problem with his wealth) who cares if we expand. It's about having fun.
These guys have that corporate, big business feeling about them much more. Even if they weren't completely incompetent it wouldn't have felt the same to me.
posted on 25/5/23
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 42 minutes ago
What was the point in sacking Potter and replacing him with Frank?
Was it just to appease the people calling for his head?
I can see no logic whatsoever in that decision
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Pretty clear it was that Potter was doing shlt, they decided to fire him, and brought lampard in hoping that we could get a feelgood boost and maybe do something with our season to show we aren't a laughing stock.
It didn't work but the logic is evident
posted on 25/5/23
The way newcastle are doing it (and the way last summer i said we should) was the right way. The way this has been approached has been ridiculous.
Signing sterling when jesus was available was just the cherry on top of a sh!t cake
posted on 25/5/23
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 46 minutes ago
What was the point in sacking Potter and replacing him with Frank?
Was it just to appease the people calling for his head?
I can see no logic whatsoever in that decision
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the logic was getting rid of potter.
The idiotic part was replacing him with frank
posted on 25/5/23
I don't think too much is broken. I know that sounds ridiculous, also I don't blame the new owners either.
I don't think anyone spends 4.75 billion on a club without a plan. I do think they have acted in haste and possibly have been influenced by the media and fans to do that.
To put my initial statement into some context, in the last few years we experienced a transfer ban and sanctions and in my opinion made some desperate signings, even before the team was bought. Lukaku and Aubmayang for example, Mendy even and everyone will have an opinion on those and others. We were in a mess for all sorts of reasons and we arguably overachieved at times under Lampard in his first year then Tuchel. But then we've over achieved in the past and by that I mean winning things when we haven't been the best team, like Munich.
This season we have suffered pretty badly from injuries to key players and our ability to score is a well known flaw and a well deserved source of fun for the media and rival fans alike. Our defence has been regarded as a joke and our keeper has been regarded as a joke too by some. That is the perception and whilst some say perception is reality, I never subscribe to that. Reality is what it is and cannot be changed, so you have to work on perception, that's not easy but let's look at our defence.
Many see that as an area of concern and we have suffered probably more injury issues there than anywhere else on the field, some call for Mendy over Kepa believing Kepa to be the weakest link etc. The reality is that currently, there are only 3 teams that have conceded less goals than us Newcastle, City (both currently on 32 conceded) and Manchester united who have conceded 1 less. Arsenal and Liverpool are both only 1 off of us on 43 conceded to our 42 but the point is that there is not that much wrong at that end of the pitch. Indeed if we had scored just 10 more goals, which is not a lot fir most other teams, we'd be a lot better off. But of course we aren't.
I don't expect us to break any records or win any trophies next year but then I never do any year. I'm just a fan and enjoy going to games to support my team. I love it when we win things but see it as a bonus not a necessity and I do want us to be competitive always but them so does every fan of every team I suspect.
I think we have a period of rebuilding to do, I wouldn't like to predict how long it will take, I'd like to think a few years tops but Arsenal have taken 20 years, Manchester United 10, Liverpool 30, etc. I do believe we have the desire and resources to do that. The competition is greater now than I can ever remember though one team is dominating currently, but after them it's anyone's game and they will be challenged, possibly by more teams than most dominant teams have been in the past. This is a good thing right? If it is, then so much for Chelsea destroying football, that aside I think webe proved you can't by trophies. Players yes but not trophies.
posted on 25/5/23
comment by Bobby Dazzler (U1449)
posted 2 hours, 27 minutes ago
What was the point in sacking Potter and replacing him with Frank?
Was it just to appease the people calling for his head?
I can see no logic whatsoever in that decision
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There was plenty of point in sacking the useless clueless idiot furrrk Graham Potty. Replacing him with Lampard was a bad decision though.
posted on 25/5/23
JFDI,
I do agree about the issues with the squad , pre Boehly.
But the issue i do have is that reckless approach with the buying and the knock on effects.
(1)The evident consequences this season on the pitch this season , Potter ect.ect.
(2) The FFP problems that are building due to the absence of C/L football, as the amortisation model works fine as long (in our case )you have the 75m + per season to service the responsibility.
(3) The massive task of moving 12 (400m) footballers +, contracts on, without significantly damaging the clubs finances, as we will be considered a little desperate, at the very least severlly on the back foot, not a selling model conducive with getting the right money. The ownerships niaevity is evident in this regard. Where this puts the plan imo is off course.
(4) The plan, well if the plan was to invest in the best young talent that is welcome, but the 600m spent has not considered the actual squad balance, i would assume that in order to build for the future you first need a functioning attractive squad with a manager with a clear detailed vision. Which as we know was not in place when the new ownership took.
Tbh, i could get along with them enthusiastically blowing 300m ( have i actually written this ?)
This would leave enough FFP band width for the club to untangle the new ownerships spirited approach.
But they have not done that, they have created a situation that has left little room for failure, get it right in the next two seasons or we will be struggling to regain top four status for a pre-longed period, let alone be a worthy challenger.
It is what is.
posted on 25/5/23
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 1 hour, 11 minutes ago
I don't think too much is broken. I know that sounds ridiculous, also I don't blame the new owners either.
I don't think anyone spends 4.75 billion on a club without a plan. I do think they have acted in haste and possibly have been influenced by the media and fans to do that.
To put my initial statement into some context, in the last few years we experienced a transfer ban and sanctions and in my opinion made some desperate signings, even before the team was bought. Lukaku and Aubmayang for example, Mendy even and everyone will have an opinion on those and others. We were in a mess for all sorts of reasons and we arguably overachieved at times under Lampard in his first year then Tuchel. But then we've over achieved in the past and by that I mean winning things when we haven't been the best team, like Munich.
This season we have suffered pretty badly from injuries to key players and our ability to score is a well known flaw and a well deserved source of fun for the media and rival fans alike. Our defence has been regarded as a joke and our keeper has been regarded as a joke too by some. That is the perception and whilst some say perception is reality, I never subscribe to that. Reality is what it is and cannot be changed, so you have to work on perception, that's not easy but let's look at our defence.
Many see that as an area of concern and we have suffered probably more injury issues there than anywhere else on the field, some call for Mendy over Kepa believing Kepa to be the weakest link etc. The reality is that currently, there are only 3 teams that have conceded less goals than us Newcastle, City (both currently on 32 conceded) and Manchester united who have conceded 1 less. Arsenal and Liverpool are both only 1 off of us on 43 conceded to our 42 but the point is that there is not that much wrong at that end of the pitch. Indeed if we had scored just 10 more goals, which is not a lot fir most other teams, we'd be a lot better off. But of course we aren't.
I don't expect us to break any records or win any trophies next year but then I never do any year. I'm just a fan and enjoy going to games to support my team. I love it when we win things but see it as a bonus not a necessity and I do want us to be competitive always but them so does every fan of every team I suspect.
I think we have a period of rebuilding to do, I wouldn't like to predict how long it will take, I'd like to think a few years tops but Arsenal have taken 20 years, Manchester United 10, Liverpool 30, etc. I do believe we have the desire and resources to do that. The competition is greater now than I can ever remember though one team is dominating currently, but after them it's anyone's game and they will be challenged, possibly by more teams than most dominant teams have been in the past. This is a good thing right? If it is, then so much for Chelsea destroying football, that aside I think webe proved you can't by trophies. Players yes but not trophies.
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I think with a good manager which you should have now and 2 EPL level Strikers that Chelsea team would be challenging again that top 4.
posted on 25/5/23
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
posted 5 minutes ago
JFDI,
I do agree about the issues with the squad , pre Boehly.
But the issue i do have is that reckless approach with the buying and the knock on effects.
(1)The evident consequences this season on the pitch this season , Potter ect.ect.
(2) The FFP problems that are building due to the absence of C/L football, as the amortisation model works fine as long (in our case )you have the 75m + per season to service the responsibility.
(3) The massive task of moving 12 (400m) footballers +, contracts on, without significantly damaging the clubs finances, as we will be considered a little desperate, at the very least severlly on the back foot, not a selling model conducive with getting the right money. The ownerships niaevity is evident in this regard. Where this puts the plan imo is off course.
(4) The plan, well if the plan was to invest in the best young talent that is welcome, but the 600m spent has not considered the actual squad balance, i would assume that in order to build for the future you first need a functioning attractive squad with a manager with a clear detailed vision. Which as we know was not in place when the new ownership took.
Tbh, i could get along with them enthusiastically blowing 300m ( have i actually written this ?)
This would leave enough FFP band width for the club to untangle the new ownerships spirited approach.
But they have not done that, they have created a situation that has left little room for failure, get it right in the next two seasons or we will be struggling to regain top four status for a pre-longed period, let alone be a worthy challenger.
It is what is.
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spot on.
I get the sense that in the head of the owners they were thinking "lets spend a lot now to get these talented youngsters in, and then next summer we'll sell the deadwood" but completely underestimating the difficulty of fulfilling the final bit of that plan.
Mount is the obvious one to raise money, but i am not sure you would have been counting on that sale before, just that now it is almost forced on you. He is one of few that will raise decent money and is easily moved on BUT academy players like him have no impact on the amortised trading figures, so that will not change if he's sold. It's just a short term hit of money to player trading and a mid-sized saving on wages.
By contrast if you sell Lukaku, more important than the money in would be the £20m a year off the amortisation and the £15m a year wages for the next 3 years. Thats a £105m gain over three years. You'd have to sell for £60m to 'break even' on his purchase but you would probably take half that, a £30m hit, just to achieve the £35m annual gain.
Chelsea have had a decent model for selling academy players to add to the revenue column, but even that success barely kept them in profit. With the massive new spending in the last 12 months, your player trading out will have to hit new levels and that will be tough when you consider who you could sell and for what, in a market that know you will be desperate to get rid of some big names.
posted on 25/5/23
JDFI makes some good points, and to a man our defence and keeper are actually pretty good. Kepa's best season in the league for sure.
However we have been got at so easily by teams and should have probably conceded a lot more this year if kepa, and earlier in the season thiago silva, didn't have to drop top performances week in week out.
Getting a striker would help us no end but I also think we've been lucky defensively not to have been blown away by teams this year
posted on 25/5/23
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 2 minutes ago
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I think with a good manager which you should have now and 2 EPL level Strikers that Chelsea team would be challenging again that top 4.
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Where's the money coming from to get these strikers? As ifarka has said, they have left themselves little band width to spend big again and 2 EPL quality strikers is another £100m plus.
posted on 25/5/23
comment by ifarka, (U8182)
posted 17 minutes ago
JFDI,
I do agree about the issues with the squad , pre Boehly.
But the issue i do have is that reckless approach with the buying and the knock on effects.
(1)The evident consequences this season on the pitch this season , Potter ect.ect.
(2) The FFP problems that are building due to the absence of C/L football, as the amortisation model works fine as long (in our case )you have the 75m + per season to service the responsibility.
(3) The massive task of moving 12 (400m) footballers +, contracts on, without significantly damaging the clubs finances, as we will be considered a little desperate, at the very least severlly on the back foot, not a selling model conducive with getting the right money. The ownerships niaevity is evident in this regard. Where this puts the plan imo is off course.
(4) The plan, well if the plan was to invest in the best young talent that is welcome, but the 600m spent has not considered the actual squad balance, i would assume that in order to build for the future you first need a functioning attractive squad with a manager with a clear detailed vision. Which as we know was not in place when the new ownership took.
Tbh, i could get along with them enthusiastically blowing 300m ( have i actually written this ?)
This would leave enough FFP band width for the club to untangle the new ownerships spirited approach.
But they have not done that, they have created a situation that has left little room for failure, get it right in the next two seasons or we will be struggling to regain top four status for a pre-longed period, let alone be a worthy challenger.
It is what is.
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I think there are many challenges, so many that I am not surprised we let them overwhelm us occasionally. Ffp could become an issue but shifting a few players will help and there will be buyers or loans that will help. Missing out on Europe does have an impact on revenue but also we have new sponsorship/commercial deals and opportunities that may help. They also overpaid for the club to cover previous debts and also left money in the bank for future investment, that was part of the deal. I'm no accountant, I'm just a fan but I don't believe that we will let that become an issue, it may be a hiderence but I'll judge that by developments over the summer.
posted on 25/5/23
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 14 minutes ago
JDFI makes some good points, and to a man our defence and keeper are actually pretty good. Kepa's best season in the league for sure.
However we have been got at so easily by teams and should have probably conceded a lot more this year if kepa, and earlier in the season thiago silva, didn't have to drop top performances week in week out.
Getting a striker would help us no end but I also think we've been lucky defensively not to have been blown away by teams this year
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I dunno about that, I think defensively we've just been pretty good. There's stars & passengers in the line but they've done the job.
Put Kane in the team + keep Tuchel & we'd be 5th/6th this year. Feel fairly confident saying that.
posted on 25/5/23
good luck buying Kane
posted on 25/5/23
comment by Devil (U6522)
posted 45 minutes ago
comment by Nickasaurus (U9257)
posted 14 minutes ago
JDFI makes some good points, and to a man our defence and keeper are actually pretty good. Kepa's best season in the league for sure.
However we have been got at so easily by teams and should have probably conceded a lot more this year if kepa, and earlier in the season thiago silva, didn't have to drop top performances week in week out.
Getting a striker would help us no end but I also think we've been lucky defensively not to have been blown away by teams this year
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I dunno about that, I think defensively we've just been pretty good. There's stars & passengers in the line but they've done the job.
Put Kane in the team + keep Tuchel & we'd be 5th/6th this year. Feel fairly confident saying that.
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Of course, but we never had Kane and tuchel went so it's a mute point.
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