Read the thread below called Qatar in.
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
Someone slipped a mickey into the Share Price's drink?
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/455352
Could be down to Maguire joining Spurs?
Pick your poison but get your Tea towels at the ready
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could be down to Maguire joining Spurs?
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Mbappe signing probably
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 7 minutes ago
Could be down to Maguire joining Spurs?
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Oh god I do hope so!
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
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The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
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The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
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Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
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The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
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Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
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They’ll be sitting and waiting for the share price to rise to cash in bit by bit, as their siblings have done, or jump ship when they think it has peaked.
They won’t be making any decisions about anything: not about dividends, loans, or the debt; or about operational or footballing matters.
They won’t be able to hurt the club financially or operationally any longer, and personally, that’s all I give a shiiiit about.
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
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The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
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Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They’ll be sitting and waiting for the share price to rise to cash in bit by bit, as their siblings have done, or jump ship when they think it has peaked.
They won’t be making any decisions about anything: not about dividends, loans, or the debt; or about operational or footballing matters.
They won’t be able to hurt the club financially or operationally any longer, and personally, that’s all I give a shiiiit about.
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I still give a $hit about them making more money from the club. But hey, that is just me.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
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The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
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Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
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Only the value of their stock.
I still give a $hit about them making more money from the club. But hey, that is just me.
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As I always say, everyone is free to come to their own conclusions as to what they care about. But isn't there a bit of an inconsistency in taking the 'impact on the club's sporting capabilities is the only thing that matters' approach to potential Qatari ownership, and then opposing the potential Ratcliffe deal because of something (minority Glazer stake) that would have no material effect on the club's spending power or governance? It seems to me that in one instance broader implications (becoming a trophy asset of a dictatorship) have no significance, while in another (two of the Glazers making money later, rather than making money immediately) they form the principal basis for your viewpoint.
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
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The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
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Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
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Only the value of their stock.
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Which they'd make if they were bought out now anyway
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
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Only the value of their stock.
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Which they'd make if they were bought out now anyway
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Not if they are holding on to their shares with a view to selling them at a later fate when the price has gone up. Which is really the only reason they would keep hold of them.
Either way, they make money, which seems to be VCs concern.
As I always say, everyone is free to come to their own conclusions as to what they care about. But isn't there a bit of an inconsistency in taking the 'impact on the club's sporting capabilities is the only thing that matters' approach to potential Qatari ownership, and then opposing the potential Ratcliffe deal because of something (minority Glazer stake) that would have no material effect on the club's spending power or governance? It seems to me that in one instance broader implications (becoming a trophy asset of a dictatorship) have no significance, while in another (two of the Glazers making money later, rather than making money immediately) they form the principal basis for your viewpoint.
….
Your mistake is making the assumption that the only thing I am concerned about with Ratcliffe is the Glazers.
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 7 minutes ago
Either way, they make money, which seems to be VCs concern.
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His concern is about them making MORE money. Which is what they will likely do if they hold onto some shares and sell at a later date.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 7 minutes ago
Either way, they make money, which seems to be VCs concern.
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His concern is about them making MORE money. Which is what they will likely do if they hold onto some shares and sell at a later date.
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He doesn't say more.
Plus, there is no guarantee their shares value goes up.
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
As I always say, everyone is free to come to their own conclusions as to what they care about. But isn't there a bit of an inconsistency in taking the 'impact on the club's sporting capabilities is the only thing that matters' approach to potential Qatari ownership, and then opposing the potential Ratcliffe deal because of something (minority Glazer stake) that would have no material effect on the club's spending power or governance? It seems to me that in one instance broader implications (becoming a trophy asset of a dictatorship) have no significance, while in another (two of the Glazers making money later, rather than making money immediately) they form the principal basis for your viewpoint.
….
Your mistake is making the assumption that the only thing I am concerned about with Ratcliffe is the Glazers.
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I can only go by what you wrote, which suggested that a Glazer minority stake is a deal-breaker for you. If it is, then even if there are other misgivings, I think my point stands. If I've misunderstood and it's not a serious objection to the Ratcliffe deal, then I retract the point.
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 7 minutes ago
Either way, they make money, which seems to be VCs concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His concern is about them making MORE money. Which is what they will likely do if they hold onto some shares and sell at a later date.
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He doesn't say more.
Plus, there is no guarantee their shares value goes up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes he did:
"I still give a $hit about them making more money from the club. But hey, that is just me."
I can only go by what you wrote, which suggested that a Glazer minority stake is a deal-breaker for you. If it is, then even if there are other misgivings, I think my point stands. If I've misunderstood and it's not a serious objection to the Ratcliffe deal, then I retract the point.
….
The subject matter to my comment was the Glazers.
The issue of the debt and Jim having money for the club infrastructure are more concerning to me than the Glazers remaining.
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posted on 13/6/23
Read the thread below called Qatar in.
posted on 13/6/23
Spiked again?
posted on 13/6/23
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
posted on 13/6/23
Someone slipped a mickey into the Share Price's drink?
posted on 13/6/23
https://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/455352
posted on 13/6/23
Could be down to Maguire joining Spurs?
posted on 13/6/23
Pick your poison but get your Tea towels at the ready
posted on 13/6/23
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 2 minutes ago
Could be down to Maguire joining Spurs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mbappe signing probably
posted on 13/6/23
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 7 minutes ago
Could be down to Maguire joining Spurs?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh god I do hope so!
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They’ll be sitting and waiting for the share price to rise to cash in bit by bit, as their siblings have done, or jump ship when they think it has peaked.
They won’t be making any decisions about anything: not about dividends, loans, or the debt; or about operational or footballing matters.
They won’t be able to hurt the club financially or operationally any longer, and personally, that’s all I give a shiiiit about.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
They’ll be sitting and waiting for the share price to rise to cash in bit by bit, as their siblings have done, or jump ship when they think it has peaked.
They won’t be making any decisions about anything: not about dividends, loans, or the debt; or about operational or footballing matters.
They won’t be able to hurt the club financially or operationally any longer, and personally, that’s all I give a shiiiit about.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I still give a $hit about them making more money from the club. But hey, that is just me.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only the value of their stock.
posted on 13/6/23
I still give a $hit about them making more money from the club. But hey, that is just me.
-------------------------------------------------------------
As I always say, everyone is free to come to their own conclusions as to what they care about. But isn't there a bit of an inconsistency in taking the 'impact on the club's sporting capabilities is the only thing that matters' approach to potential Qatari ownership, and then opposing the potential Ratcliffe deal because of something (minority Glazer stake) that would have no material effect on the club's spending power or governance? It seems to me that in one instance broader implications (becoming a trophy asset of a dictatorship) have no significance, while in another (two of the Glazers making money later, rather than making money immediately) they form the principal basis for your viewpoint.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only the value of their stock.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which they'd make if they were bought out now anyway
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 14 minutes ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernançalvemiro triumvirate (U17054)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Eric_the_red (U1122)
posted 14 minutes ago
What’s the best outcome? I don’t think there is one, oil money club or JR + Glazers?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The Glazers will become as irrelevant as the existing minority investors if Ratcliffe’s bid is successful.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes, but they will still be there though and there will still be some way they will be making money off the club.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Only the value of their stock.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Which they'd make if they were bought out now anyway
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Not if they are holding on to their shares with a view to selling them at a later fate when the price has gone up. Which is really the only reason they would keep hold of them.
posted on 13/6/23
Either way, they make money, which seems to be VCs concern.
posted on 13/6/23
As I always say, everyone is free to come to their own conclusions as to what they care about. But isn't there a bit of an inconsistency in taking the 'impact on the club's sporting capabilities is the only thing that matters' approach to potential Qatari ownership, and then opposing the potential Ratcliffe deal because of something (minority Glazer stake) that would have no material effect on the club's spending power or governance? It seems to me that in one instance broader implications (becoming a trophy asset of a dictatorship) have no significance, while in another (two of the Glazers making money later, rather than making money immediately) they form the principal basis for your viewpoint.
….
Your mistake is making the assumption that the only thing I am concerned about with Ratcliffe is the Glazers.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 7 minutes ago
Either way, they make money, which seems to be VCs concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His concern is about them making MORE money. Which is what they will likely do if they hold onto some shares and sell at a later date.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 7 minutes ago
Either way, they make money, which seems to be VCs concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His concern is about them making MORE money. Which is what they will likely do if they hold onto some shares and sell at a later date.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't say more.
Plus, there is no guarantee their shares value goes up.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 9 minutes ago
As I always say, everyone is free to come to their own conclusions as to what they care about. But isn't there a bit of an inconsistency in taking the 'impact on the club's sporting capabilities is the only thing that matters' approach to potential Qatari ownership, and then opposing the potential Ratcliffe deal because of something (minority Glazer stake) that would have no material effect on the club's spending power or governance? It seems to me that in one instance broader implications (becoming a trophy asset of a dictatorship) have no significance, while in another (two of the Glazers making money later, rather than making money immediately) they form the principal basis for your viewpoint.
….
Your mistake is making the assumption that the only thing I am concerned about with Ratcliffe is the Glazers.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I can only go by what you wrote, which suggested that a Glazer minority stake is a deal-breaker for you. If it is, then even if there are other misgivings, I think my point stands. If I've misunderstood and it's not a serious objection to the Ratcliffe deal, then I retract the point.
posted on 13/6/23
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by Dave the Save (U22987)
posted 7 minutes ago
Either way, they make money, which seems to be VCs concern.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
His concern is about them making MORE money. Which is what they will likely do if they hold onto some shares and sell at a later date.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
He doesn't say more.
Plus, there is no guarantee their shares value goes up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes he did:
"I still give a $hit about them making more money from the club. But hey, that is just me."
posted on 13/6/23
I can only go by what you wrote, which suggested that a Glazer minority stake is a deal-breaker for you. If it is, then even if there are other misgivings, I think my point stands. If I've misunderstood and it's not a serious objection to the Ratcliffe deal, then I retract the point.
….
The subject matter to my comment was the Glazers.
The issue of the debt and Jim having money for the club infrastructure are more concerning to me than the Glazers remaining.
posted on 13/6/23
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