comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
I get that too, dunnit. Was thinking about fashion and by extension just what people wear and there's influence and image projections involved...I guess the difference being you have to wear some sort of shirt but you don't have to have some sort of 'work done'.
BTW I was a complete be((end the clobber I wore at uni - first time at least - I was 'finding myself'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are "finding yourself" now you change your gender and have some surgery. The old days of a dreadful fashion sense and haircut were pretty harmless and temporary...and you can at least burn all the old photographic evidence.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 minutes ago
I get that too, dunnit. Was thinking about fashion and by extension just what people wear and there's influence and image projections involved...I guess the difference being you have to wear some sort of shirt but you don't have to have some sort of 'work done'.
BTW I was a complete be((end the clobber I wore at uni - first time at least - I was 'finding myself'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Were you lost?
Who found you?
What was the prize?
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
honestly dont care... if people want to do that then then its up to them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure, but there's a serious point that whole cultures (yup, looking at you, 'murca) where people think there's something wrong with you if you aren't 'getting work done' and it mainly fills the pockets of the surgeons willing to blow smoke anywhere you want and live a prosperous life. Keeping up with manufactured, brainless @rseholes that make a living out of being on (un)reality TV or tabloids. It's a mind fvck akin to smoking when it was on the rise or tatts these days or any number of other things you probably don't much need.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with a lot of that.....although if my wife got a boob job
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Before and after link please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And was it enhancement or reduction?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
I get that too, dunnit. Was thinking about fashion and by extension just what people wear and there's influence and image projections involved...I guess the difference being you have to wear some sort of shirt but you don't have to have some sort of 'work done'.
BTW I was a complete be((end the clobber I wore at uni - first time at least - I was 'finding myself'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are "finding yourself" now you change your gender and have some surgery. The old days of a dreadful fashion sense and haircut were pretty harmless and temporary...and you can at least burn all the old photographic evidence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine it might be fun having both a sausage and a kebab like hermaphrodites.
I think it's easy to understand from madonnas perspective, international superstar everyone is fawning over and suddenly your looks are going and you realise it's all going to be over. Hardly anyone is going to be able to stay sane in that situation. So it's not really surprising she went down that route like many others.
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
To be fair about half the threads on here concern people not conforming to other people's ideals - footballers, politicians, administrators, activists, foreigners, peedos, entertainers, other posters....
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Anfield RAP (U22951)
posted 5 minutes ago
Still would.
Twice on Sunday's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
downstairs probably resembles a badly packed kebab
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chilli sauce or not
comment by newWAYNEorder (U23010)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i asked the question before...do people do this out of personal vanity (they care what they look like for their own sake) or do they do it our of pressure, so they care more what others think about their appearance.
I would assume that famous folk in the public eye like Madonna care what other people think and that is what drives her to such actions - in which case, she is the one trying to conform.
For someone so famous, its funny how insecure they are, how they cannot be comfortable with who they are and in their own body. Cannot grow old gracefully and just bat off criticism with "i'm 64 ! WTF do you expect !! . Instead they think, Im 64, i need to look 40 again or people will pick up on my wrinkles/lines/bingowings etc
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by newWAYNEorder (U23010)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i asked the question before...do people do this out of personal vanity (they care what they look like for their own sake) or do they do it our of pressure, so they care more what others think about their appearance.
I would assume that famous folk in the public eye like Madonna care what other people think and that is what drives her to such actions - in which case, she is the one trying to conform.
For someone so famous, its funny how insecure they are, how they cannot be comfortable with who they are and in their own body. Cannot grow old gracefully and just bat off criticism with "i'm 64 ! WTF do you expect !! . Instead they think, Im 64, i need to look 40 again or people will pick up on my wrinkles/lines/bingowings etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think it's about conforming it's about trying desperately to hang on to attention.
with women it's because youth and beauty give them alot of social power
and ofcourse most people once they have power are v unwillingly to give it up easily
they want to try and turn back the clock to look like they did when they were in peak fertility
comment by TopForm (U15726)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by newWAYNEorder (U23010)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i asked the question before...do people do this out of personal vanity (they care what they look like for their own sake) or do they do it our of pressure, so they care more what others think about their appearance.
I would assume that famous folk in the public eye like Madonna care what other people think and that is what drives her to such actions - in which case, she is the one trying to conform.
For someone so famous, its funny how insecure they are, how they cannot be comfortable with who they are and in their own body. Cannot grow old gracefully and just bat off criticism with "i'm 64 ! WTF do you expect !! . Instead they think, Im 64, i need to look 40 again or people will pick up on my wrinkles/lines/bingowings etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think it's about conforming it's about trying desperately to hang on to attention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
conforming to whatever maintains attention at that moment in time.
To me this sort of surgey doesnt make them look younger, more like it makes them look like an old person who has had work done....thats why younger folk (IMO) tend to look older because having work done is what i associate with an older person trying not to look old.
Naturally beautiful women will always stay beautiful.... others it's a case of touching up things but usually it goes too far
Never liked Madonna, and always found her music painful.
Got what she deserves. Self-inflicted too. Double whammy.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by TopForm (U15726)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by newWAYNEorder (U23010)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i asked the question before...do people do this out of personal vanity (they care what they look like for their own sake) or do they do it our of pressure, so they care more what others think about their appearance.
I would assume that famous folk in the public eye like Madonna care what other people think and that is what drives her to such actions - in which case, she is the one trying to conform.
For someone so famous, its funny how insecure they are, how they cannot be comfortable with who they are and in their own body. Cannot grow old gracefully and just bat off criticism with "i'm 64 ! WTF do you expect !! . Instead they think, Im 64, i need to look 40 again or people will pick up on my wrinkles/lines/bingowings etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think it's about conforming it's about trying desperately to hang on to attention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
conforming to whatever maintains attention at that moment in time.
To me this sort of surgey doesnt make them look younger, more like it makes them look like an old person who has had work done....thats why younger folk (IMO) tend to look older because having work done is what i associate with an older person trying not to look old.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. But remember these celebrities are caught up with their celebrity persona in an industry that prizes youth and beauty, so loss of looks are a double whammy for them as well as the usual stuff that comes with aging that everyone else gets.
Sign in if you want to comment
Madonna
Page 2 of 2
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
I get that too, dunnit. Was thinking about fashion and by extension just what people wear and there's influence and image projections involved...I guess the difference being you have to wear some sort of shirt but you don't have to have some sort of 'work done'.
BTW I was a complete be((end the clobber I wore at uni - first time at least - I was 'finding myself'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are "finding yourself" now you change your gender and have some surgery. The old days of a dreadful fashion sense and haircut were pretty harmless and temporary...and you can at least burn all the old photographic evidence.
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 8 minutes ago
I get that too, dunnit. Was thinking about fashion and by extension just what people wear and there's influence and image projections involved...I guess the difference being you have to wear some sort of shirt but you don't have to have some sort of 'work done'.
BTW I was a complete be((end the clobber I wore at uni - first time at least - I was 'finding myself'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Were you lost?
Who found you?
What was the prize?
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Gaffer Pranky (U22336)
posted 22 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 hour, 5 minutes ago
honestly dont care... if people want to do that then then its up to them.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Sure, but there's a serious point that whole cultures (yup, looking at you, 'murca) where people think there's something wrong with you if you aren't 'getting work done' and it mainly fills the pockets of the surgeons willing to blow smoke anywhere you want and live a prosperous life. Keeping up with manufactured, brainless @rseholes that make a living out of being on (un)reality TV or tabloids. It's a mind fvck akin to smoking when it was on the rise or tatts these days or any number of other things you probably don't much need.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree with a lot of that.....although if my wife got a boob job
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Before and after link please
----------------------------------------------------------------------
And was it enhancement or reduction?
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 4 minutes ago
I get that too, dunnit. Was thinking about fashion and by extension just what people wear and there's influence and image projections involved...I guess the difference being you have to wear some sort of shirt but you don't have to have some sort of 'work done'.
BTW I was a complete be((end the clobber I wore at uni - first time at least - I was 'finding myself'
----------------------------------------------------------------------
If you are "finding yourself" now you change your gender and have some surgery. The old days of a dreadful fashion sense and haircut were pretty harmless and temporary...and you can at least burn all the old photographic evidence.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I imagine it might be fun having both a sausage and a kebab like hermaphrodites.
posted on 29/6/23
I think it's easy to understand from madonnas perspective, international superstar everyone is fawning over and suddenly your looks are going and you realise it's all going to be over. Hardly anyone is going to be able to stay sane in that situation. So it's not really surprising she went down that route like many others.
posted on 29/6/23
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
posted on 29/6/23
To be fair about half the threads on here concern people not conforming to other people's ideals - footballers, politicians, administrators, activists, foreigners, peedos, entertainers, other posters....
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Anfield RAP (U22951)
posted 5 minutes ago
Still would.
Twice on Sunday's.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
downstairs probably resembles a badly packed kebab
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Chilli sauce or not
posted on 29/6/23
comment by newWAYNEorder (U23010)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i asked the question before...do people do this out of personal vanity (they care what they look like for their own sake) or do they do it our of pressure, so they care more what others think about their appearance.
I would assume that famous folk in the public eye like Madonna care what other people think and that is what drives her to such actions - in which case, she is the one trying to conform.
For someone so famous, its funny how insecure they are, how they cannot be comfortable with who they are and in their own body. Cannot grow old gracefully and just bat off criticism with "i'm 64 ! WTF do you expect !! . Instead they think, Im 64, i need to look 40 again or people will pick up on my wrinkles/lines/bingowings etc
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by newWAYNEorder (U23010)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i asked the question before...do people do this out of personal vanity (they care what they look like for their own sake) or do they do it our of pressure, so they care more what others think about their appearance.
I would assume that famous folk in the public eye like Madonna care what other people think and that is what drives her to such actions - in which case, she is the one trying to conform.
For someone so famous, its funny how insecure they are, how they cannot be comfortable with who they are and in their own body. Cannot grow old gracefully and just bat off criticism with "i'm 64 ! WTF do you expect !! . Instead they think, Im 64, i need to look 40 again or people will pick up on my wrinkles/lines/bingowings etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think it's about conforming it's about trying desperately to hang on to attention.
posted on 29/6/23
and youth.
posted on 29/6/23
with women it's because youth and beauty give them alot of social power
and ofcourse most people once they have power are v unwillingly to give it up easily
they want to try and turn back the clock to look like they did when they were in peak fertility
posted on 29/6/23
comment by TopForm (U15726)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by newWAYNEorder (U23010)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i asked the question before...do people do this out of personal vanity (they care what they look like for their own sake) or do they do it our of pressure, so they care more what others think about their appearance.
I would assume that famous folk in the public eye like Madonna care what other people think and that is what drives her to such actions - in which case, she is the one trying to conform.
For someone so famous, its funny how insecure they are, how they cannot be comfortable with who they are and in their own body. Cannot grow old gracefully and just bat off criticism with "i'm 64 ! WTF do you expect !! . Instead they think, Im 64, i need to look 40 again or people will pick up on my wrinkles/lines/bingowings etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think it's about conforming it's about trying desperately to hang on to attention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
conforming to whatever maintains attention at that moment in time.
To me this sort of surgey doesnt make them look younger, more like it makes them look like an old person who has had work done....thats why younger folk (IMO) tend to look older because having work done is what i associate with an older person trying not to look old.
posted on 29/6/23
Naturally beautiful women will always stay beautiful.... others it's a case of touching up things but usually it goes too far
posted on 29/6/23
Never liked Madonna, and always found her music painful.
Got what she deserves. Self-inflicted too. Double whammy.
posted on 29/6/23
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by TopForm (U15726)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by newWAYNEorder (U23010)
posted 7 minutes ago
OP, HOW DARE SHE, not conform to your ideals of aging and beauty!!
You must be new to the entertainment world?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
i asked the question before...do people do this out of personal vanity (they care what they look like for their own sake) or do they do it our of pressure, so they care more what others think about their appearance.
I would assume that famous folk in the public eye like Madonna care what other people think and that is what drives her to such actions - in which case, she is the one trying to conform.
For someone so famous, its funny how insecure they are, how they cannot be comfortable with who they are and in their own body. Cannot grow old gracefully and just bat off criticism with "i'm 64 ! WTF do you expect !! . Instead they think, Im 64, i need to look 40 again or people will pick up on my wrinkles/lines/bingowings etc
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don't think it's about conforming it's about trying desperately to hang on to attention.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
conforming to whatever maintains attention at that moment in time.
To me this sort of surgey doesnt make them look younger, more like it makes them look like an old person who has had work done....thats why younger folk (IMO) tend to look older because having work done is what i associate with an older person trying not to look old.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I agree. But remember these celebrities are caught up with their celebrity persona in an industry that prizes youth and beauty, so loss of looks are a double whammy for them as well as the usual stuff that comes with aging that everyone else gets.
Page 2 of 2