comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 7 hours, 18 minutes ago
Whats he done wrong? Has his views changed ? Can he not still hold the same beliefs do the same work because he earns money there?
Like the outrage with neville and the wc, so what he took their money whilst saying their ways are wrong. You’d rather they say nothing just incase a job comes up? That would be worse for what they want, rasing awareness etc.
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GNev is another hypocrite who rightfully was ridiculed for doing the World Cup.
I’d take the money too but I’m not the spokesperson of Woke football
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
I'm sure he will have no problem sleeping unlike you.
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This is an athlete that steals disabled parking spots at hospitals, he’ll be fine…
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
It’s really disappointing, albeit unsurprising, that Henderson has gone there when you consider his work in and out of football for progressive causes.
I can’t imagine Southgate is too happy either given Henderson has been one of the spokesmen for his England team.
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Southgate etc can't talk. They gave it the big uns at world cup about wearing the arm band and then as soon as they got told arry could get a yellow card they backed out
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
So now your source of income has to align with your ethical views?
Even a gay person would not be able to turn down that kind of money.
There are actual gay people that take up job contracts in these countries.
Gay workers and businessmen will happily take Saudi money.
And Hendo is supposed to be a hypocrite?
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Yes. Morals are morals, hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Own it.
I’ll just caveat that with a point that RR made on this exact topic a couple of weeks ago. If Hendo continues to push or fight for LGBTQ rights over there then good on him.
But if if he says nothing of the sort and takes the huge amounts of cash, then he is a hypocrite. Many of us would do the same, but that would just make us sellouts also.
Own it.
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Bullsheet. Muslims and all sorts of people come here and co exist without changing their views on homosexuality or anything else. You can also go and work anywhere in the world without changing your views. Where you work doesn't determine your views. What a ridiculous angle this all is.
You say we'd all be sellouts too so stop the canceling of Henderson, faux outrage and virtue signaling when you'd do the exact same thing.
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 15 minutes ago
I’d take the money too but I’m not the spokesperson of Woke football
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You'd still take the money of you were.
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
It’s really disappointing, albeit unsurprising, that Henderson has gone there when you consider his work in and out of football for progressive causes.
I can’t imagine Southgate is too happy either given Henderson has been one of the spokesmen for his England team.
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Southgate etc can't talk. They gave it the big uns at world cup about wearing the arm band and then as soon as they got told arry could get a yellow card they backed out
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There’s a difference between making that decision because of threat of sporting punishment in a world cup and taking a massive contract from the Saudi state to play in their league. That really shouldn’t need explaining.
Southgate and that famous Pizza Hut ad springs to mind.
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Southgate and that famous Pizza Hut ad springs to mind.
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Do PH run an oppressive, racist, homophobic regime?
comment by CurrentlyInTheUK (U11181)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
I don't understand the title? Money > Biology?
Shouldn't it be Money over ethics or something like that?
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Title makes it sound like Henderson has accepted money to transition.
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Southgate and that famous Pizza Hut ad springs to mind.
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Do PH run an oppressive, racist, homophobic regime?
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Aren’t they an American company? There’s your answer
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Southgate and that famous Pizza Hut ad springs to mind.
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Do PH run an oppressive, racist, homophobic regime?
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Aren’t they an American company? There’s your answer
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Republican colours too
In my view there's a difference between having a limit to how much you are willing to sacrifice for something you believe in, on one hand, and actively opting to profit from something that actively undermines what you profess to believe in. For instance, I'm fundamentally opposed to Vladimir Putin's fascist regime. I'm a Russian speaker and there are viable job opportunities for me in companies owned by or acting in the interests of the Russian state. I would never take such a job; if I did, I'd be a hypocrite. I wouldn't give my life in the cause of bringing down fascism in Russia. That's not hypocrisy; it's just not being a hero.
My understanding was that Southgate and the England squad genuinely wanted to wear rainbow armbands in an act of solidarity with LGBT people in Qatar. Fifa's threat of sporting punishments made them step back from that, but for me Fifa is the villain of this story. It put the England team in a position where they could have something taken away from them if they did what they believed was right.
What Southgate's England did wasn't hypocrisy. It was an absence of heroism, an unwillingness to lose something in the cause of an ideal. Henderson has not been threatened with sanctions, but tempted by *gain*. Everyone is free to make their choices, but it's fair enough (and must have been clear to him) that his position as a wholehearted ally of marginalised groups is now shredded. From what I read, his apparently passionate views on inclusivity in the world of football made a huge difference to a lot of people who felt uncomfortable and unwelcome in football stadiums. I can understand their disappointment.
Obviously, as SatNav says, if Henderson went to Saudi Arabia and used that platform to criticise the oppression of gay people by the regime that is paying him, that truly would be heroic.
I would imagine that Hendo has gone along with the club's wishes, as the club captain, with his involvement in the LBGTQ issue.
Now he has the opportunity to make an absolute load of money in Saudi. I don't think that diminishes the work that he has done too much. Will be interesting to see if he continues with this work at his new club. Doubtful I would guess.
What I would really like to know is would Thomas Hitzlsperger turn down 700k per week to play in Saudi?
Obviously, as SatNav says, if Henderson went to Saudi Arabia and used that platform to criticise the oppression of gay people by the regime that is paying him, that truly would be heroic.
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That's bullsheet because everybody knows that he would face consequences for that. Fighting for human rights doesn't mean martyring yourself.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Obviously, as SatNav says, if Henderson went to Saudi Arabia and used that platform to criticise the oppression of gay people by the regime that is paying him, that truly would be heroic.
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That's bullsheet because everybody knows that he would face consequences for that. Fighting for human rights doesn't mean martyring yourself.
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Never read a history book?
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
Eh?
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There is a huge list of people that have martyred themselves for human rights.
they are just, by-and-large, a bit thick, ill educated footballers, who dont tend to overthink things, who like most of us, will follow the money if it was offerered to us in such quantities, on a plate. Especially if they have proven themselves already, whilst at the top of their game, and got the medals to prove it.
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
So now your source of income has to align with your ethical views?
Even a gay person would not be able to turn down that kind of money.
There are actual gay people that take up job contracts in these countries.
Gay workers and businessmen will happily take Saudi money.
And Hendo is supposed to be a hypocrite?
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This line of defence would have some merit if Henderson wasn’t already a multimillionaire. He doesn’t need the money - he’s set for life multiple times over.
This is all absolutely nonsense. What's to say je can't continue to privately support LGBTQ movement from Saudi Arabia? He could donate a portion of his salary to LGBTQ causes. He's done more for Lqbtq than any of you guys have. Just because he's living in Saudi now doesn't mean he can't support LGBTQ.
I lived in the UK for 7 years. I didn't abandon my beliefs and culture just because I was living in the UK.
This is all nonsense.
comment by Just Red (U22022)
posted 2 minutes ago
This is all absolutely nonsense. What's to say je can't continue to privately support LGBTQ movement from Saudi Arabia? He could donate a portion of his salary to LGBTQ causes. He's done more for Lqbtq than any of you guys have. Just because he's living in Saudi now doesn't mean he can't support LGBTQ.
I lived in the UK for 7 years. I didn't abandon my beliefs and culture just because I was living in the UK.
This is all nonsense.
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Yeh, he has the platform to continue to support the LBGTQ community. I don' think that he even has to do it in private. It's not like they are going to assassinate him if he does.
Even though it'd be easy to stick the boot in because he was the Liverpool captain I'm not going to do so and I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
If he goes to Saudi and is still vocal about his views then that is something to be applauded IMO. He's always come across as a decent guy (annoyingly most City and LFC players do!) so maybe he'll do something there to highlight the issue.
Of course if he doesn't then that's a different story.
If I were Southgate I'd give him the England captaincy for a half or something to see if he'll wear the rainbow armband.
comment by Just Red (U22022)
posted 12 minutes ago
This is all absolutely nonsense. What's to say je can't continue to privately support LGBTQ movement from Saudi Arabia? He could donate a portion of his salary to LGBTQ causes. He's done more for Lqbtq than any of you guys have. Just because he's living in Saudi now doesn't mean he can't support LGBTQ.
I lived in the UK for 7 years. I didn't abandon my beliefs and culture just because I was living in the UK.
This is all nonsense.
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I work for an American company, so I'm now against gun restrictions. Gun laws are an assault on our freedoms.
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posted on 28/7/23
comment by InBefore (U20589)
posted 7 hours, 18 minutes ago
Whats he done wrong? Has his views changed ? Can he not still hold the same beliefs do the same work because he earns money there?
Like the outrage with neville and the wc, so what he took their money whilst saying their ways are wrong. You’d rather they say nothing just incase a job comes up? That would be worse for what they want, rasing awareness etc.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
GNev is another hypocrite who rightfully was ridiculed for doing the World Cup.
posted on 28/7/23
I’d take the money too but I’m not the spokesperson of Woke football
posted on 28/7/23
comment by (K̇ash) - Liverpool 7-0 Man U (U1108)
posted 7 hours, 52 minutes ago
I'm sure he will have no problem sleeping unlike you.
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This is an athlete that steals disabled parking spots at hospitals, he’ll be fine…
posted on 28/7/23
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
It’s really disappointing, albeit unsurprising, that Henderson has gone there when you consider his work in and out of football for progressive causes.
I can’t imagine Southgate is too happy either given Henderson has been one of the spokesmen for his England team.
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Southgate etc can't talk. They gave it the big uns at world cup about wearing the arm band and then as soon as they got told arry could get a yellow card they backed out
posted on 28/7/23
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 2 hours, 8 minutes ago
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 hour, 2 minutes ago
So now your source of income has to align with your ethical views?
Even a gay person would not be able to turn down that kind of money.
There are actual gay people that take up job contracts in these countries.
Gay workers and businessmen will happily take Saudi money.
And Hendo is supposed to be a hypocrite?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Yes. Morals are morals, hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Own it.
I’ll just caveat that with a point that RR made on this exact topic a couple of weeks ago. If Hendo continues to push or fight for LGBTQ rights over there then good on him.
But if if he says nothing of the sort and takes the huge amounts of cash, then he is a hypocrite. Many of us would do the same, but that would just make us sellouts also.
Own it.
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Bullsheet. Muslims and all sorts of people come here and co exist without changing their views on homosexuality or anything else. You can also go and work anywhere in the world without changing your views. Where you work doesn't determine your views. What a ridiculous angle this all is.
You say we'd all be sellouts too so stop the canceling of Henderson, faux outrage and virtue signaling when you'd do the exact same thing.
posted on 28/7/23
comment by Vladimikel Artutin - committing war crimes against football since 2019 (U18355)
posted 15 minutes ago
I’d take the money too but I’m not the spokesperson of Woke football
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You'd still take the money of you were.
posted on 28/7/23
*if
posted on 28/7/23
comment by The Goofy One (U16087)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Kobbie The King Mainoo (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 20 minutes ago
It’s really disappointing, albeit unsurprising, that Henderson has gone there when you consider his work in and out of football for progressive causes.
I can’t imagine Southgate is too happy either given Henderson has been one of the spokesmen for his England team.
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Southgate etc can't talk. They gave it the big uns at world cup about wearing the arm band and then as soon as they got told arry could get a yellow card they backed out
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There’s a difference between making that decision because of threat of sporting punishment in a world cup and taking a massive contract from the Saudi state to play in their league. That really shouldn’t need explaining.
posted on 28/7/23
Southgate and that famous Pizza Hut ad springs to mind.
posted on 28/7/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Southgate and that famous Pizza Hut ad springs to mind.
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Do PH run an oppressive, racist, homophobic regime?
posted on 28/7/23
comment by CurrentlyInTheUK (U11181)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
I don't understand the title? Money > Biology?
Shouldn't it be Money over ethics or something like that?
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Title makes it sound like Henderson has accepted money to transition.
posted on 28/7/23
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Southgate and that famous Pizza Hut ad springs to mind.
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Do PH run an oppressive, racist, homophobic regime?
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Aren’t they an American company? There’s your answer
posted on 28/7/23
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard (U19119)
posted 1 minute ago
Southgate and that famous Pizza Hut ad springs to mind.
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Do PH run an oppressive, racist, homophobic regime?
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Aren’t they an American company? There’s your answer
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Republican colours too
posted on 28/7/23
In my view there's a difference between having a limit to how much you are willing to sacrifice for something you believe in, on one hand, and actively opting to profit from something that actively undermines what you profess to believe in. For instance, I'm fundamentally opposed to Vladimir Putin's fascist regime. I'm a Russian speaker and there are viable job opportunities for me in companies owned by or acting in the interests of the Russian state. I would never take such a job; if I did, I'd be a hypocrite. I wouldn't give my life in the cause of bringing down fascism in Russia. That's not hypocrisy; it's just not being a hero.
My understanding was that Southgate and the England squad genuinely wanted to wear rainbow armbands in an act of solidarity with LGBT people in Qatar. Fifa's threat of sporting punishments made them step back from that, but for me Fifa is the villain of this story. It put the England team in a position where they could have something taken away from them if they did what they believed was right.
What Southgate's England did wasn't hypocrisy. It was an absence of heroism, an unwillingness to lose something in the cause of an ideal. Henderson has not been threatened with sanctions, but tempted by *gain*. Everyone is free to make their choices, but it's fair enough (and must have been clear to him) that his position as a wholehearted ally of marginalised groups is now shredded. From what I read, his apparently passionate views on inclusivity in the world of football made a huge difference to a lot of people who felt uncomfortable and unwelcome in football stadiums. I can understand their disappointment.
Obviously, as SatNav says, if Henderson went to Saudi Arabia and used that platform to criticise the oppression of gay people by the regime that is paying him, that truly would be heroic.
posted on 28/7/23
I would imagine that Hendo has gone along with the club's wishes, as the club captain, with his involvement in the LBGTQ issue.
Now he has the opportunity to make an absolute load of money in Saudi. I don't think that diminishes the work that he has done too much. Will be interesting to see if he continues with this work at his new club. Doubtful I would guess.
What I would really like to know is would Thomas Hitzlsperger turn down 700k per week to play in Saudi?
posted on 28/7/23
Obviously, as SatNav says, if Henderson went to Saudi Arabia and used that platform to criticise the oppression of gay people by the regime that is paying him, that truly would be heroic.
====
That's bullsheet because everybody knows that he would face consequences for that. Fighting for human rights doesn't mean martyring yourself.
posted on 28/7/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
Obviously, as SatNav says, if Henderson went to Saudi Arabia and used that platform to criticise the oppression of gay people by the regime that is paying him, that truly would be heroic.
====
That's bullsheet because everybody knows that he would face consequences for that. Fighting for human rights doesn't mean martyring yourself.
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Never read a history book?
posted on 28/7/23
Eh?
posted on 28/7/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 12 seconds ago
Eh?
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There is a huge list of people that have martyred themselves for human rights.
posted on 28/7/23
they are just, by-and-large, a bit thick, ill educated footballers, who dont tend to overthink things, who like most of us, will follow the money if it was offerered to us in such quantities, on a plate. Especially if they have proven themselves already, whilst at the top of their game, and got the medals to prove it.
posted on 28/7/23
comment by K7-0ptimus Primal (U1282)
posted 4 hours, 10 minutes ago
So now your source of income has to align with your ethical views?
Even a gay person would not be able to turn down that kind of money.
There are actual gay people that take up job contracts in these countries.
Gay workers and businessmen will happily take Saudi money.
And Hendo is supposed to be a hypocrite?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
This line of defence would have some merit if Henderson wasn’t already a multimillionaire. He doesn’t need the money - he’s set for life multiple times over.
posted on 28/7/23
This is all absolutely nonsense. What's to say je can't continue to privately support LGBTQ movement from Saudi Arabia? He could donate a portion of his salary to LGBTQ causes. He's done more for Lqbtq than any of you guys have. Just because he's living in Saudi now doesn't mean he can't support LGBTQ.
I lived in the UK for 7 years. I didn't abandon my beliefs and culture just because I was living in the UK.
This is all nonsense.
posted on 28/7/23
comment by Just Red (U22022)
posted 2 minutes ago
This is all absolutely nonsense. What's to say je can't continue to privately support LGBTQ movement from Saudi Arabia? He could donate a portion of his salary to LGBTQ causes. He's done more for Lqbtq than any of you guys have. Just because he's living in Saudi now doesn't mean he can't support LGBTQ.
I lived in the UK for 7 years. I didn't abandon my beliefs and culture just because I was living in the UK.
This is all nonsense.
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Yeh, he has the platform to continue to support the LBGTQ community. I don' think that he even has to do it in private. It's not like they are going to assassinate him if he does.
posted on 28/7/23
Even though it'd be easy to stick the boot in because he was the Liverpool captain I'm not going to do so and I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt here.
If he goes to Saudi and is still vocal about his views then that is something to be applauded IMO. He's always come across as a decent guy (annoyingly most City and LFC players do!) so maybe he'll do something there to highlight the issue.
Of course if he doesn't then that's a different story.
If I were Southgate I'd give him the England captaincy for a half or something to see if he'll wear the rainbow armband.
posted on 28/7/23
comment by Just Red (U22022)
posted 12 minutes ago
This is all absolutely nonsense. What's to say je can't continue to privately support LGBTQ movement from Saudi Arabia? He could donate a portion of his salary to LGBTQ causes. He's done more for Lqbtq than any of you guys have. Just because he's living in Saudi now doesn't mean he can't support LGBTQ.
I lived in the UK for 7 years. I didn't abandon my beliefs and culture just because I was living in the UK.
This is all nonsense.
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I work for an American company, so I'm now against gun restrictions. Gun laws are an assault on our freedoms.
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